Alien: Romulus Casts David Jonsson, Archie Renaux, Spike Fearn, and Aileen Wu

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Alien: Romulus Casts David Jonsson, Archie Renaux, Spike Fearn, and Aileen Wu (Read 26,912 times)

Nukiemorph

Rumor has the budget at $75 million...

I don't think it's completely fair to write it off as "direct to video" as if it's a cheap Tremors sequel.

Corporal Hicks

Quote from: reecebomb on Mar 06, 2023, 01:38:22 PMThis direct to video feature and that upcoming tv show proves that Prometheus/Covenant killed the franchise. Couldn't care less now  as I've come to accept it few years ago.

I'm sorry to be so blunt, but this kind of response will always be incorrect. We saw it so much with Prey and it was blatantly wrong there too. Streaming isn't direct-to-video. The analogy doesn't work. It's not the same industry anymore.

reecebomb

reecebomb

#77
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2023, 02:38:40 PM
Quote from: reecebomb on Mar 06, 2023, 01:38:22 PMThis direct to video feature and that upcoming tv show proves that Prometheus/Covenant killed the franchise. Couldn't care less now  as I've come to accept it few years ago.

I'm sorry to be so blunt, but this kind of response will always be incorrect. We saw it so much with Prey and it was blatantly wrong there too. Streaming isn't direct-to-video. The analogy doesn't work. It's not the same industry anymore.

I know it's not technically accurate as times have changed etc, I admit it was more of derogatory of way of saying it.

But it doesn't make much difference to me, Alien as a franchise was always more valuable than Predator, new Alien film should have been a cinematic event to be enjoyed in cinemas and is no longer seen as worthy for such a release. The standards have been lowered even if the budget is quite high.

Straight to streaming usually means uninspired corporate drivel. Nothing about this Romulus has inspired confidence, the news about the cast surely doesn't. There are of course exceptions, Prey luckily turned out alright.

Thing is if you take out everything that made the original films what they are, Alien is just another (bland) b-grade creature feature sprinkled with a multimillion dollar gloss. As a result the franchise get devalued even more. But no longer don't expect nothing from it anyway and seems like many don't as this page has become pretty vacant, even 10 years ago it would have been chock-full of fans clamoring for news/discussions as a new Alien film is coming out, it should have been huge. Now it seems it couldn't be more meh.

RIP77

RIP77

#78
Yeah.

I explained it before. Fox is 90% a streaming studio and they only release movies very very  commercial since 2023. Before , they released all of Fox by contract prior to the purchase of Disney, which forced them to release in cinemas such as New Mutants,Harrison Ford movie with dog,West Side Story etc. They are box office flops. Disney knew they would fail but they were forced to release in cinema. The president of Disney confirmed this . And in 2023 only cinema very comercial movies (  2 or  3 in year ) and few of Oscars and independiente movies Fox with limited premiere  like Netflix.

IS dificult premiere in cinema a movie Fox in general becose are movies adult, R or few comercial in general. Sagas like Alien, Predator are bomb but only 3 comercial in year is very few. Only Avatar, Free Guy 2, Ape4 in next years...

Requirements are hard for premiere in cienema. Few movies Fox comply this. Alien o PREY   are not exception. Is a normality in general to movies Fox.




And cinematic quality on a digital platform has nothing to do with direct to DVD like The Irishman, Roma, Blonde,Glass Onion, Russo movies..Great directors premiere on platforms.

IS new life to movies. New industry.

PREY for example.

Alien and Predator more liberty R adult  in Hulo than cinema.

OLD FOX in Hulo. NEW Fox in cinema equal Disney 2.0 ( in movies comercial).


Stitch

Quote from: reecebomb on Mar 06, 2023, 04:00:45 PMStraight to streaming usually means uninspired corporate drivel. Nothing about this Romulus has inspired confidence, the news about the cast surely doesn't. There are of course exceptions, Prey luckily turned out alright.

That's one way of looking at it. Another way is that for streaming, the studio won't be looking to maximise profits of a theatrical release, and the writer and director can release a film which could have less studio interference.

TomT

TomT

#80
I think a lot of folks here miss the fact that a lot of made-for-streaming movies are hot garbage and it's not a coincedence. All those screams about "more freedom/less studio interference" mean pretty much nothing when you look at output which speaks volumes. Most filmmakers do their worst job on streaming, it's a fact, streaming movies have bloated budgets and often look and feel like uninspired shit because of generic cheap digital photography and overreliance on CGI/green screen, and both directors and actors don't put nearly as much effort in them as in traditional studio theatrical releases, even giants like Fincher and to lesser extent Scorsese. While I liked Mank, it was one of lesser Fincher films. Joseph Kosinski did a movie for Netflix and it was his worst film by far and instantly forgotten, released right near his best and most successful film which overshadowed that miss. The Irishman would've been better if it was done by a traditional studio, Scorsese needs more restraint. Only Apple tries to force at least some quality control other streaming platforms don't have.

Actors outright consider streaming as nothing more than a place where they can earn some big bucks, they are paid a lot more for those flicks than for studio films, they never technically fail because they are not released in theaters and streaming platforms often hide their numbers, and they put a lot less effort in them, you can very clearly see that in their perfomances. Just look at Jamie Fox, he is now afraid to even star in a theatrical films and does only Netflix trash.

And Prey is definitely not example of some exceptional film that refutes that. In fact, its reception still baffles me, it's an average film which might be better than Black's Predator, but worse than both Predator 2 and Predators. And if its budget had really been $65 mln, it would've been even worse than that because it would look like a money laundrey.
Hellraiser reboot was even worse, it wasn't even "ok" like Prey was. Both movies are typical streaming releases that don't have a polish or care good quality theatrical releases have. Romulus won't be any different, just another content to fill Hulu's library and be instantly forgotten.


Quote from: reecebomb on Mar 06, 2023, 01:38:22 PMThis direct to video feature and that upcoming tv show proves that Prometheus/Covenant killed the franchise. Couldn't care less now  as I've come to accept it few years ago.
Just Covenant, Prometheus was a success. They killed Prometheus sequel and did Covenant instead which bombed and effectively killed the franchise.


Quote from: Nukiemorph on Mar 06, 2023, 01:48:23 PMRumor has the budget at $75 million...

I don't think it's completely fair to write it off as "direct to video" as if it's a cheap Tremors sequel.
If it's $75 mln like Prey was supposedly $65 mln (I won't ever belive its budget was anywhere near it), then we are in for something really cheap.


Quote from: reecebomb on Mar 06, 2023, 04:00:45 PMAlien as a franchise was always more valuable than Predator, new Alien film should have been a cinematic event to be enjoyed in cinemas and is no longer seen as worthy for such a release

Straight to streaming usually means uninspired corporate drivel. Nothing about this Romulus has inspired confidence, the news about the cast surely doesn't.
Right on the money here.

Nightmare Asylum


TomT

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 06, 2023, 08:05:38 PM
Quote from: TomT on Mar 06, 2023, 06:53:17 PMScorsese needs more restraint.

No thank you.
I didn't mean that restraint, he is a final cut director, he's had it for decades. What I mean is more self-control, he had it before. When you are given an infinite budget and no limits whatsoever it can negatively affect the movie too, there are many examples where reasonable limitations and second thoughts made the movie better. I really like The Irishman, but it's not Goodfellas or Casino.

Valaquen

Quote from: TomT on Mar 06, 2023, 06:53:17 PMIf it's $75 mln like Prey was supposedly $65 mln (I won't ever belive its budget was anywhere near it), then we are in for something really cheap.

Not necessarily. I think Alien's 8.5 million dollar budget in 1978 amounts to about 40 million today. Good production design can do wonders. Big budget or not, I think it depends on that. Some massively budgeted films today look cheap (I'm thinking of Love and Thunder specifically).

RIP77

RIP77

#84
PREY ( and other movies streaming)  is more careful than many Marvel.

Marvel doesn't give the fx team time. Blockbuster in cinema in general have little fx care due to lack of time.


Ant-Man 3, Thor 3, Tarzan,... less quality fx than PREY in him context of movie small.




Blockbusters  in cinema is a drama of fx and little quiality. The Predator less quality than PREY in fx with 90 mill budget...( scenes dogs in mediocre fx, very bad , more bad than bear in PREY with 90 mill¡¡¡¡) Problems production in cinema is normal like The Predator( or Matrix 4 with fx low). Mad Max,Dune , Top Gun  or Avatar is no normality in cinema  is excepcion.

I cinema generic fotography is normal in blockbusters too. Problems cine comercial/blockbusters in  premiere cinema and streaming. ALL cinema is crisis in comercial movies. Fx in Indiana jones 4 is ugly.



PREY is good in fotography and fx. Inteligent  use fx in this movie.  In Marvel very ambicius, bid budget , few time. People FX  work a lot of and few money. Is a DRAMA.

Marvel representing blockbusters in  last years  in the world   and 90% movies are ugly in fx and regular in quality.

PREY has merit , more artesanal film than mayority films abuse CGI in premiere cinema. And new Alien in fx like previus films Fede. I am sure, style Fede with dir  foto good.

The Irishman is top 5 Scorsese, a masterpiece. The Departed for example  is overrated with  Oscars better movie.









TomT

TomT

#85
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 06, 2023, 09:45:47 PMNot necessarily. I think Alien's 8.5 million dollar budget in 1978 amounts to about 40 million today. Good production design can do wonders. Big budget or not, I think it depends on that. Some massively budgeted films today look cheap (I'm thinking of Love and Thunder specifically).
Alien would cost a lot more than 40 mln today and Aliens would cost well over 100 mln, we should count not only inflation, but also all the changes in production and cost since then, movies became a lot more expensive to make in 90s. Alien looks more expensive than its knock off Life which cost $58 mln, so you can bet it'd cost around 80 mln today.

Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 06, 2023, 09:45:47 PMSome massively budgeted films today look cheap (I'm thinking of Love and Thunder specifically).
Agree, but in case of Marvel stuff it's just bad craft in general, they don't do real principal photography, they do everything in post and force poor VFX artists to change the entire scenes weeks before release when it requires months to properly finish them, they greenscreen everything, even hotel rooms and pistols in characters' hands, it's a terrible approach to filmmaking to the point it doesn't feel like real filmmaking. Add to that terrible technology Volume they started using in their recent movies like Thor 4 and Ant-Man 3 which made them look even worse, and you get what you get.

Quote from: RIP77 on Mar 06, 2023, 10:17:48 PMPREY ( and other movies streaming)  is more careful than many Marvel.

PREY is good in fotography and fx. Inteligent  use fx in this movie.  In Marvel very ambicius, bid budget , few time. People FX  work a lot of and few money. Is a DRAMA.

Marvel representing blockbusters in  last years  in the world   and 90% movies are ugly in fx and regular in quality.

PREY has merit , more artesanal film than mayority films abuse CGI in premiere cinema. And new Alien in fx like previus films Fede. I am sure, style Fede with dir  foto good.

The Irishman is top 5 Scorsese, a masterpiece. The Departed for example  is overrated with  Oscars better movie.
I thought Prey's CGI was often poor, especially invisibility effect looked so bad even Predator 1/2 invisibility looked better, you can see it was a low budget production, real locations were its saving grace and made it look better than it would have if it relied on CGI more, but those CGI animals didn't look great either. Again, if it cost 20 mln or less, it's totally fine. if cost around 10 mln, it's impressive. But if it cost $65 mln, it's just unforgivable.

Kimarhi

TomT's hot takes are worse than mine. 

SiL

Quote from: TomT on Mar 06, 2023, 11:06:30 PMAlien would cost a lot more than 40 mln today and Aliens would cost well over 100 mln,
Not if the productions were smart about where they spent.

QuoteAlien looks more expensive than its knock off Life which cost $58 mln, so you can bet it'd cost around 80 mln today.
Life had A-listers in its cast. Its sets were also built from scratch -- the Nostromo interiors are largely scrapped together from aircraft parts -- and they simulated zero gravity for the whole movie. The monster also couldn't be played by a man in a rubber suit.

Corporal Hicks

Just for reference - I had a gander at the actor ages.

Cailee Spaeny - 24
David Jonsson - 28/29
Archie Renaux - 25
Spike Fearn - 29
Aileen Wu - ???
Isabela Merced - 21

TomT

TomT

#89
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 07, 2023, 02:55:34 AMTomT's hot takes are worse than mine. 
None of my takes are hot, most are based on numbers and well known facts.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2023, 04:26:46 AMNot if the productions were smart about where they spent.
Aliens is a blockbuster, it would cost at least as much as Prometheus today. Sigourney would've gotten much more than 1 mln since salaries increased significantly too. Alien could cost less than 80 mln, but not by much if it was done as A level production.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 07, 2023, 02:55:34 AMLife had A-listers in its cast.
Only 2 of them and only one is usually expensive, but Reynolds had a supporting part, so I doubt he robbed the studio here plus he only started to rise at the time. Jake was never money hungry, I highly doubt he got a fat paycheck. The rest of the cast got even less. It's not that big difference from Alien cast.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 07, 2023, 02:55:34 AMIts sets were also built from scratch -- the Nostromo interiors are largely scrapped together from aircraft parts -- and they simulated zero gravity for the whole movie. The monster also couldn't be played by a man in a rubber suit.
Alien sets would've been built from scratch too if it was done today, and man in a suit would play only in close shots.

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