Posted by Local Trouble
- Apr 02, 2024, 11:24:26 PMQuote from: SM on Aug 22, 2011, 11:15:56 PM^ Yep. I think the Resurrection novel mentions telepathy? But as far as the films go, there's none of that magic. Screeching and hissing (possiblty in the sub/ ultrasonic range) and body langauge do the job.
Posted by E. Shaw
- Apr 02, 2024, 11:21:52 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Apr 02, 2024, 05:40:12 PMQuote from: Neila on Apr 02, 2024, 12:30:29 PMMaybe I missed something but I always wondered why the dog alien didn't just kidnap Ripley when it attacked the infirmary.
The only explanation that ever made sense to me was that the dog alien instinctively knew the population of the prison wasn't large enough to sustain a hive, so allowing Ripley to go "free range" would improve the queen's chances of finding its way into a more populous area. This also assumes that the queen can essentially lay dormant inside its host until the time is right.
But we're talking about a movie with a deeply flawed script, so it's just another aspect that requires mental gymnastics to make sense of.
Perhaps the Queen Chestburster could communicate with The Runner via Hive telepathy and tell it what to do.
Posted by The Cruentus
- Apr 02, 2024, 10:50:54 PMTo be fair, Ripley says a few things that don't exactly end up being true but it makes sense for her character to believe it because of her experience.
Posted by E. Shaw
- Apr 02, 2024, 10:18:42 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 02, 2024, 09:24:02 PMI meant killing people, but yeah, I wonder if during the plan to trap it they actually invaded "it's territory" similar to in Alien when Dallas went into the vents.
I wonder if it was building a nest somewhere for the baby, not necessarily with hosts, just somewhere fairly safe.
That woukd make sense, I meant its appetite seemed excessive, though it came from beast not a human so it might not have been as cleaver in the sense that normal Xenos are. Now that I think about it, The Runner coming from a dog makes more sense cuz dogs can sense pregnancy and cancer, so I guess the Theatrical Cut Runner works better since it sensed the Queen in Ripley.
Posted by [cancerblack]
- Apr 02, 2024, 09:32:30 PMI do love seeing little pockets of hive in the prison section of Alien Trilogy, followed by a full blown one in the leadworks which is itself much more contained than the colony one earlier was.
Posted by SM
- Apr 02, 2024, 09:30:20 PMRipley said she thought it was building a nest, but we never see it. Even its lair was bereft of any hive resin, and the one where Dillon dies was cut a few months before shooting.
Posted by BlueMarsalis79
- Apr 02, 2024, 09:24:02 PMI meant killing people, but yeah, I wonder if during the plan to trap it they actually invaded "it's territory" similar to in Alien when Dallas went into the vents.
I wonder if it was building a nest somewhere for the baby, not necessarily with hosts, just somewhere fairly safe.
I wonder if it was building a nest somewhere for the baby, not necessarily with hosts, just somewhere fairly safe.
Posted by SM
- Apr 02, 2024, 09:13:25 PMI've always thought that sticking Ripley to a wall for a couple of days might end up in her being dehydrated, or an easy target for the prisoners. ie. Might be worse than having her run around.
ie. Mental gymnastics.
ie. Mental gymnastics.
Posted by SiL
- Apr 02, 2024, 09:04:35 PMSafeguard by allowing the host to run around?
Posted by BlueMarsalis79
- Apr 02, 2024, 08:55:29 PMI think it might be for safeguarding the infant Queen.
Posted by 426Buddy
- Apr 02, 2024, 08:48:12 PMJust like real gymnastics.
Posted by SM
- Apr 02, 2024, 08:46:03 PMYes that last bit.
Mental gymnastics can be fun but also tiring.
Mental gymnastics can be fun but also tiring.
Posted by Local Trouble
- Apr 02, 2024, 05:40:12 PMQuote from: Neila on Apr 02, 2024, 12:30:29 PMMaybe I missed something but I always wondered why the dog alien didn't just kidnap Ripley when it attacked the infirmary.
The only explanation that ever made sense to me was that the dog alien instinctively knew the population of the prison wasn't large enough to sustain a hive, so allowing Ripley to go "free range" would improve the queen's chances of finding its way into a more populous area. This also assumes that the queen can essentially lay dormant inside its host until the time is right.
But we're talking about a movie with a deeply flawed script, so it's just another aspect that requires mental gymnastics to make sense of.
Posted by Neila
- Apr 02, 2024, 12:30:29 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 29, 2024, 10:52:40 AMResurrection definitely has a more heightened, exaggerated tone, and a style/execution more comparable to comics than to the previous films themselves, but I wouldn't say it feels like parody at all to me. It is earnestly setting out to be another Alien movie, not to riff on and make fun of the ones that came before it.Taken on its own, I really like the look of A4, even if it's somehow inappropriate.
Given the tasks, the ship should actually be completely bright and clear.
Similar to the Prometheus. Only when the aliens break out and perhaps cut off the power supply could they turn the ship into a huge nest and from then on things only get scary.
So the ship is kind of scary right from the start and that doesn't really fit.
I didn't like the atmosphere in A4 because everyone here is way too cool and it didn't fit with the previous films at all.
When Ripley discovered and killed the clones, the mood in the cinema changed and I thought: well, now things are finally getting more serious. but unfortunately that wasn't really the case.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 01, 2024, 01:53:07 AMThe runner survived being submerged in molten lead. I gotta think the queen has a decent chance of surviving the ocean depths.
Even if the sequel to AvP looked different, it was perhaps planned as an open ending to possibly pick up again and bring the Queen back.
Another inconsistency in the matter is actually the resistance of the xenos, which always seems to vary.
In Aliens they are probably able to demolish steel doors, which suggests a very robust exoskeleton.
But they are effortlessly crushed by the APC. (Well, it also weighs a few tons)
But apparently Wolf can casually crush a xeno head.
In the A3 novel, after being locked up, the alien rams into the thick steel door and dents it, so that Dillon briefly feared it would break. I think if the xenos can withstand that, then they would generally have to be much more robust, especially in confrontations.
Quote from: SM on Apr 01, 2024, 11:03:15 PMWe don't know that it would killed her. Might've just restrained her long enough for the Queen to pop.
Maybe I missed something but I always wondered why the dog alien didn't just kidnap Ripley when it attacked the infirmary.
perhaps this creature was incapable of starting a nest. Still, it might have been safer for the brood to capture Ripley.
Posted by SM
- Apr 01, 2024, 11:32:17 PMQuote from: SM on Apr 01, 2024, 10:39:28 PMWouldn't have really mattered at that point.
