All Star Wars

Started by CELTICPRED, Dec 13, 2006, 05:23:55 AM

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Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#20685
I think latter-day Star Wars placed way too much emphasis on the importance of dedicated lightsaber training.

Based on what Obi-Wan said and Luke demonstrated in ANH, I always figured that the ability to use the Force was all one needed in order to wield a lightsaber (or pilot a spaceship) with preternatural skill.

Highland

Highland

#20686
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 11, 2019, 11:56:49 PM
I think latter-day Star Wars placed way too much emphasis on the importance of dedicated lightsaber training.

Based on what Obi-Wan said and Luke demonstrated in ANH, I always figured that the ability to use the Force was all one needed in order to wield a lightsaber (or pilot a spaceship) with preternatural skill.

Possibly. Although Dooku does say to Yoda that the battle will have to be decided via skills with the lightsaber. Also Mace Windu is clearly a notch above regular Jedi.


Vertigo

Vertigo

#20687
I think the point's supposed to be that lightsaber duels are about combining physical skills and Force strength. Very civilised.

(Otherwise Vader and Obi Wan's duel would just have been them trying to choke each other from opposite ends of the corridor.)

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#20688
The Force controls your actions and obeys your commands.  One's strength in the Force therefore determines their skill with a lightsaber.

Hell, Vader even implies as much when he taunts Obi-Wan with "your powers are weak, old man."

And by "latter-day," I meant the prequels too.

SM

SM

#20689
Dooku says much the same in AOTC to Yoda.

And there was the deleted stuff in Empire:

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#20690
Quote from: SM on Feb 12, 2019, 01:32:57 AM
Dooku says much the same in AOTC to Yoda.

All I remember from Dooku is some boast about being more powerful than any Jedi, not that Yoda's powers were weak or that his skills were somehow diminished.

SM

SM

#20691
"It is obvious that this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the Force... but by our skills with a lightsaber."

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#20692
Yeah, I remember that.  I thought you meant something else.

Incidentally, the very next page from the TESB comic adaptation shows even more.  Note the captions.

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Highland

Highland

#20693
The old trilogy supports the idea that it's the force ( because Luke shouldn't be able to fight Vader), but the new films seem to indicate it's also skill.

I like a mix of both personally. I don't like the idea that the force just controls you, since that's my beef about Rey. I kinda like the whole Obi-Wan/Yoda approach.

AhabPredator

AhabPredator

#20694
Why is force downloading a thing now? Rey and Kylo in the novelization of TLJ. Why does ththe sequel trilogy require so much extra media just to understand basic movie plot points? How can we even go forward in the franchise? Starkiller base deleted most of the New Republic. The First Order destroyed the Resistance. The heroes are down to one ship and a handful of people.  Nobody answered their distress hail. The First Order has hundreds of capital ships and millions of troopers (Star Wars Battlefront 2017 campaign and DLC)

SiL

SiL

#20695
To be fair, I had no idea what the f**k was going on at the beginning of Revenge of the Sith because I didn't watch any of the shows in-between. I mean, yeah, I understood "The clone wars are still on", but that was about it. I was thrown in the middle of something and expected to give half a shit about this new Big Bad Grievous when my entire knowledge of him was "cyborg with asthma". The first mildly threatening thing he did was about halfway through the movie, if not more -- yet everyone was talking about him like he'd been in the story since Phantom Menace.

Highland

Highland

#20696
Streching it a bit there Sil. I mean he's just just the bad dude.

Saying that I didn't think I needed any extra material for the new ones because the material I got on screen was enough that I didn't like it anyway. I honestly didn't understand the whole secret plan thing the first and only time I watched it. It was only on watching youtube reviews that they all kinda brought up the same weird plot points.

Them getting put in the jail next to the only other code breaker in the universe after not meeting the only code breaker in the universe was just too space balls for me. Maybe if they cut that whole middle section out I might have handled it better lol

SiL

SiL

#20697
Quote from: Highland on Feb 12, 2019, 10:24:28 AM
Streching it a bit there Sil. I mean he's just just the bad dude.
Not at all. I  walked out of the theatre feeling like I'd watched half a movie because all of the shit needed to bridge 2 and 3 happened in EU. Everyone's going on about this bad dude who does nothing terribly bad, or badass, the whole film. He's a pretty major part of the third movie, but if you haven't seen any Clone Wars stuff you don't have any idea of who he is or what he's capable of. You end up feeling like you've watched the last two acts of a story and missed a pretty major act 1.

The Old One

The Old One

#20698
Yes, but we know where the CIS came from- what they're about and why they exist, how they were funded. As per AOTC, and to a lesser extent TPM. The only new element in ROTS is General Grievous himself, whom is the leader of the droid army- and to be perfectly honest, aside from the fact that he was a Kaleesh Warlord that joined Count Dooku for the challenge, augmenting himself until he was more machine than man- we don't know all that much about his backstory from TCW either.

But at the end of the day he's just a General with an interesting design that the baton was passed to at the last second when Dooku dies, he doesn't really matter all that much aside from being the last major figurehead to the CIS.
Which you can all gather from watching the film.

It's a different situation than the Sequels where I can't suspend my disbelief because you haven't told me how The First Order, is bigger and badder than the Empire was in every respect whilist... coming from the ruins of the Empire? Complete with an Emperor stand in, we know nothing about either- not that we necessarily needed to by it might've helped me believe in the scenario if the former two questions were answered through his motivations, and where he came from, got all this immense technology.

The New Republic has the exact same problem, but the opposite dynamic. It's just clear as day the writers ignored what logically should have happened, because they wanted their oppressive Empire Vs Rebels again- damn the world building, and that's killed my enthusiasm for the whole thing personally, because I'm not interested in any story surrounding the Sequel Trilogy mythos because frankly, I don't buy the premise.


Well, that and TLJ just generally being pretentious shit.

Deadmeat

Deadmeat

#20699

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