Petition to not retcon the Alien franchise

Started by marrerom, Mar 06, 2015, 05:17:37 AM

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Xenomorphine

Xenomorphine

#30
Quote from: marrerom on Mar 06, 2015, 05:17:37 AM
Its still early and nothing is set in stone.

It is now... They're literally about to commence location scouting, designing sets and making props. Nobody's going to suddenly reverse direction, now that everything is being worked up for a budget.

No irony intended, but these aren't the dim and distant days of 'Alien 3'... Fox is clearly fine with whatever has been pitched to them and are probably even happier that they'll have the built-in hype machine of 'Weaver-returns-to-the-franchise' (and Scott being producer) as an imminent marketing strategy.

thecaffeinatedone

thecaffeinatedone

#31
Quote from: marrerom on Mar 06, 2015, 05:29:35 AM
I want this petition to serve as a counter point to those who assume that everyone wants a retcon.

Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 06, 2015, 05:24:27 AM
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on Mar 06, 2015, 05:22:04 AM
Fox isn't a democracy. :p If they want to turn them all into vampires, then they'll do it.

Yeah, but it never hurts.  They might think twice if they sense a possible backlash.
That's the general idea.

I get that fine and well. There are also a fair amount of readers of the Song of Ice and Fire series who wanted Lady Stoneheart to appear on the Game of Thrones TV adaptation. That didn't happen, and the majority of viewership outweighed any potential gripe on the fans part. The producers and HBO simply ignored them and proceeded to tell the story the way they thought best.

Close Encounters

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 06, 2015, 07:07:44 PM
Quote from: Close Encounters on Mar 06, 2015, 06:50:30 PM
Don't forget Holloween III-VI. They were there first.

According to the Halloween wiki and the TV Tropes... those are an alternate continuity. At least IV through VI are.. Halloween III is it's own thing.

Right, forgot about that one. That's the boring one without Micheal Myers. I guess the term 'continuity' doesn't really apply considering there is none between III and any of the other Halloween films. Fair point there.

Still, Halloween IV, V and VI are the first example I could think of where Hollywood did a deliberate break of continuity in a franchise. There's certainly precedent for what Blomkamp seems to be doing.

OmegaZilla

OmegaZilla

#33
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 06, 2015, 07:07:44 PM
According to the Halloween wiki and the TV Tropes... those are an alternate continuity.
None of these are official sources. On a general basis, anything of this kind can be considered an "alternate continuity".

Lonely Universe

Wasn't there a Halloween III comic book that showed what Michael Myers was up to during Season Of The Witch?

marrerom

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 06, 2015, 07:17:07 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Mar 06, 2015, 05:17:37 AM
Its still early and nothing is set in stone.

It is now... They're literally about to commence location scouting, designing sets and making props. Nobody's going to suddenly reverse direction, now that everything is being worked up for a budget.


As long as no script exists nothing is set in stone...Sometimes even with a script nothing is set in stone (i.e. Prometheus)  ;)


Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 06, 2015, 05:01:36 PM
This won't undo A3 & A:R for the hundredth time.

It's an alternate continuity.

There is only one continuity and If Alien 3&4 aren't apart of it they might as well not exist.  Unless they show in film that there are multiple universe's or something like that then all this talk of such is just fans trying to cobble together an excuse to keep everything relevant. 

Lonely Universe

Nope, looks like it takes place after H20

SpreadEagleBeagle

A petition? Not gonna happen even if a million people sign it.

RakaiThwei

Quote from: EarthAngel on Mar 06, 2015, 08:45:05 PM
Nope, looks like it takes place after H20

Yeah regarding that... according to the Halloween Wiki, that comic ATTEMPTED to bridge the continuities of IV-VI and H20 together, but that comic would've made the events of Halloween Resurrection impossible.

Quote from: marrerom on Mar 06, 2015, 08:41:16 PM
There is only one continuity and If Alien 3&4 aren't apart of it they might as well not exist.  Unless they show in film that there are multiple universe's or something like that then all this talk of such is just fans trying to cobble together an excuse to keep everything relevant. 

That is not exactly true. Many science-fiction franchises have multiple timelines and continuities without even the need to address it as such on-screen or in-universe dialogue or in-universe documentation. One primary example would be Robocop. You've got the movie continuity which comprises of the three main movies, you've got the TV series which ignores Robocop 2 and 3 and ends with Robocop Prime Directives, you've got the Marvel-Sunbow Robocop which partially retcons the first movie but takes place after the first movie, and you've also got the Robocop reboot. Does the Robocop franchise explicitly state in any of the continuities that there is a multiverse or alternate timeline? No. Not at all whatsoever, but they co-exist and they work just fine.

The same can apply to Alien-Predator.

Xenomorphine

Quote from: marrerom on Mar 06, 2015, 08:41:16 PM
As long as no script exists nothing is set in stone...Sometimes even with a script nothing is set in stone (i.e. Prometheus)  ;)

It's goes to pre-production in just days. A final draft would now have been made and accepted. They wouldn't know what types of locations, props, costumes and so forth, would need to be made and have a budget put aside for.

Remember, unlike 'Prometheus', Blomkamp is both director and writer of this project.

Besides which, like it or not, Fox have received a lot of praise in the various articles about this doing away with the third and fourth films. One petition would, at most, do a little bit of balancing of that. It's not changing anything.

SiL

You don't need a final draft to go into pre-production.

Hell, sometimes you don't even need a draft.

Son Of Kane

They made that mistake with Alien 3, hopefully they aren't doing it again.

OmegaZilla

OmegaZilla

#42
Many times pre-production includes writing the film itself -- not a problem in the slightest. The issue comes when major script changes happen within production.

RakaiThwei

I thought Blomkamp had a treatment already written according to a fan who posts here. Unless of course I misunderstood that and just assumed one thing for another.

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