Started by seattle24, Nov 22, 2021, 09:57:55 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 19, 2021, 03:30:58 PMI hate Aliens
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 19, 2021, 06:44:36 PMI don't. I just don't think it's nearly as spectacular as many seem to. And sometimes I find the praise somewhat nauseating
Quote from: SiL on Dec 18, 2021, 04:43:10 AMI'm not sure what you mean by saying Alien shouldn't work. Having been to film school, we absolutely studied it - it's not some avant garde art film, it's a pretty paint by numbers haunted house/monster on a spaceship thriller plot with a proper Hollywood treatment. It hits all the beats of the monomyth (which is a very broad framework) and features all sorts of tropes that were common even on release.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 18, 2021, 04:43:10 AMIn terms of monomyth storytelling, the biggest difference between the first two films is the characters. There's no mentor in Alien; Aliens gives Ripley Hicks (although Dallas could be argued to fit a similar role). The call is resisted by multiple characters, not just Ripley. Story wise, they both hit the major beats, but Cameron adds the archetypical characters as well.
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 20, 2021, 06:50:36 AMIsn't it Fincher's quote regarding his feelings towards Alien 3 ?EDIT: it is. You hack
Quote from: TC on Dec 20, 2021, 02:18:24 PMSure, but by empirical reasoning, there has to be something more to it than that otherwise all those other B-movie horrors would have been just as successful.
QuoteThe point I was trying to make, however, is that Aliens is a more teachable screenplay than Alien.
QuoteIf you sent the O'Bannon/Hill/Giler script off to a development executive today if would come back (if it came back at all) with all sorts of notes and a "pass" grade ("pass" as in "let's pass on this").
Quote1. Long delay in defining who the main protagonist is.
Quote2. Ripley is unsympathetic.
Quote3. Ill-defined wants and needs....What are Ripley's wants and needs? She wants to survive the alien. And her need is... what? In what way is she a better person at the end of the movie than she is at the beginning? No way.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Dec 20, 2021, 10:48:44 PMYeah that was a great post, but in my opinion, those three 'problem areas' are what elevate Alien above similar films in the genre.
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