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Alien Covenant Officially Released in UK!

After years of waiting and following its production closely right from Prometheus 2 to Alien: Paradise Lost, Alien Covenant is finally upon us! Ridley Scott’s Alien Covenant is released nationwide today in the UK. Starring Michael Fassbender and Katherine Waterston, the film revolves around the crew of a spaceship called the Covenant landing on an uncharted planet. While there, they meet David, a synthetic android from the Prometheus expedition and soon the crew have to fight for survival from alien life-forms.

The reviews from critics, particularly from the UK press, have been generally quite positive praising the tension, location, cast and visual style and the film is currently sitting on 74% on Rotten Tomatoes which is slightly higher than Prometheus’ 72%.

 Alien Covenant Officially Released in UK!

Will you guys be seeing Alien Covenant tonight? For those that have seen it, feel free to post what you thought below or in the Fan Reviews thread in the forum. Alien Covenant will be released next week in the United States and Canada.



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  1. szkoki
    You know ... by listening to the score ... it made me realise the Med-Bay scene wasn't bad. It had the right amount of tension.



    Despite a few "WTF" moments though. Because, if you quarantine someone, make sure you don't have that persons blood splattered all over your face  ;D

    The moment Feris got Karine's blood on her face was when her composure cracked and everything went to shit. And it was beautifully directed and subtly felt.

    I don't really get why people criticize her behavior in this seen. She quite clearly has a complete melt down and isn't acting rationally, something I felt  Seimetz conveyed perfectly. The whole scene from the moment he falls ill is wonderfully constructed.

    amazing performance in my opinion. also from the infected character
  2. Bughunter S. Thomson
    So I left this forum in the run up to Covenant as all of Prometheus' marketing material really spoiled a film I already didn't enjoy and I think that marred some of the experience for me.

    I watched A:C at the cinema and gave myself a week to mull over it. I haven't read the average review here or even voted in this thread's poll to see what popular opinion is, but here is my review for Alien Covenant.

    I feel absolutely nothing for this movie. No hatred for tarnishing the franchise - At this point I've begrudgingly accepted that Ridley's vision is the direction of the Alien franchise whether I like it or not. No joy of seeing the Aliens return and stalk corridors like the original movie, and certainly none of the fear.

    This film left me numb. Everything felt bland - The locations, the characters, the situations. Nothing stimulated my senses. The reveal of the crashed Juggernaut is a good example - In the original, it was seen through mist in the distance, and on monitors flickering with feedback. You never quite got a good look at it until after a lot of tension building. In Covenant it was a sudden shot of the ship, it wasn't a slow panned shot as it emerged towering from behind the tress. It was just there. It felt clumsy or like Ridley simply didn't care enough for what should be quite important beat in the plot.

    The storyline just happened. It felt like the story was written like 'Gets signal > Goes to planet > Infected > Protomorphs > David' and someone less that competent went in and wrote dialogue over the top. I know this is how most screenplays are written, but this felt unfinished with no polish. It didn't flow for me at all. As I was watching I was processing the information like writing down a mental list "The Captain is dead. Ok, he's the new Captain. He's religious. He's lacking in confidence.' At no point did I feel immersed in the film.

    The cast were good enough. No stand out performances. I found James Franco dying immediately took me out the movie before it had even properly started. Thoughts like "Hmmm, maybe it was a favour to be in this movie because he is friends with Danny McBride. That must be it." This person should have been an unknown actor. It was odd and I'm sure it confused some audiences, maybe thinking he wasn't dead and would be returning somehow. Also, the more I saw of Daniels made me feel like her and James Franco would be such an unlikely pairing.
    Daniels was good enough. I felt sorry for the actor as Ridley had just chucked her in there as a substitute Ripley and she has huge Powerloader boots to fill, it's an almost impossible feat, but she did well enough. Again, nothing exceptional.
    Now I see people praising Danny McBride. I found his appearance distracting too. Knowing him primarily as Kenny Powers meant I could never take him seriously. When they establish contact with the team on the Planet after the storm and he says something like "I can't wait to see my wife again and tell her I love her" in such a clunky way it made me laugh out loud.
    Shaw's fate just made me care even less for Prometheus. I couldn't believe they were making the same mistake as Alien 3, killing off key established characters from a previous movie depicting their struggle and triumph to survive horrible adversity.
    David did annoy me. He was by far the best part about Prometheus, but in this he has been reduced to an artificial Hannibal Lecter, spouting out pretentious quotes like Bishop's severed torso. I found him quite irritating, his motives a bit blurry and Walter's accent didn't sit right with me at all.

    Now comes the lore, which is pretty much most of the movie. I hate all of it since Prometheus. I wish it never happened. And the more that I watch of the prequels, the more it sullies the best sci-fi horror of all time.
    When I was 7, we moved into this old house and my bedroom had a boiler room attached to it. That room terrified me, but not the room - It was the door. The door facing directly in my line of sight from my bed. Knowing that behind that door was complete darkness and strange clunking noises stopped me getting to sleep for the first few weeks, and I always kept an eye on the door to check if something was coming through it.
    But then after a while I familiarise myself with the room behind the door. It was full of old pipes and a furnace, which explained the noises. The room had no windows, which is why it was so dark. It was nothing but an empty room with some pipes.
    After that, I didn't care about the room. In fact, I was kind of embarrassed at myself that I'd ever be so scared of the room in the first place. The room I imagined as a portal to hell swirling with demons was in reality just some boring brick wall and plumbing.
    That's this movie and the whole prequel lore. The Space Jockey is an Engineer pilot. The aliens are genetic experiments by an android created on Earth, using the same biotech that created all life on Earth. So really they are not Aliens, but Cousins.The magic trick is explained, I've seen the man behind the curtain, and it's all underwhelming. The film was called 'Alien' and it should remain as it's namesake. From the unknown, too different to comprehend. Now Ridley is helpfully showing us it's just a lab experiment by a crazy robot.

    I can understand why people like this film. There is nothing particularly wrong with it. If you're hungry enough, the most average burger can be delicious. But I seem to have lost my appetite for the Alien films since Ridley took over. The fact that I, a huge fan of this franchise, sat through these two hours, saw the genesis of the Alien, the homeworld of the Engineers, and the closest thing we've had to the claustrophobic tunnel chases of Alien and felt absolutely nothing is a testament to just how bland this film is. The whole experience was quite depressing. Didn't hate it enough to slam it, didn't like it enough to give it any praise. And for that, it gets a 5/10. 

  3. Mr. Clemens
    Also, when Lope or (whatever his name was) was being chestbursted on the covenant, Daniels even had time to fry some eggs and take a nap.

    The problem with Lope isn't how quickly it bursts out of him, but how quickly it got in there in the first place.

    Kane was out with a Facehugger on him for the best part of a day. If it could've done it instantaneously like in Covenant, why would it keep him under for so long?

    Hi Hudaf**k,

    I appologise for being so rude to you the other day, I really am sorry.

    As for your remarks, I'd like to think of it this way: the facehugger can now infect people very quickly. It can put it's victim into a coma( like Oram) but only for pure sake of convience as in: it wouldn't be damaged by the struggling of the guy. It can do what it's meant to do under pressure and when it's instinct tell it it won't be able to finish, resulting in a more efficient creature.

    Do we actually know how long it took to infect Kane? I mean Kane may have been infected instantly and the facehugger remains on his face just to protect the embryo while it grows etc, just a thought though.

    That's a fair point, actually. Maybe the facehugger just sits on its victim like a bird sits on its eggs. But if it can't do that for some reason, it's 'so long Junior, and best of luck!'  :D
  4. Snake
    Also, when Lope or (whatever his name was) was being chestbursted on the covenant, Daniels even had time to fry some eggs and take a nap.

    The problem with Lope isn't how quickly it bursts out of him, but how quickly it got in there in the first place.

    Kane was out with a Facehugger on him for the best part of a day. If it could've done it instantaneously like in Covenant, why would it keep him under for so long?

    Hi Hudaf**k,

    I appologise for being so rude to you the other day, I really am sorry.

    As for your remarks, I'd like to think of it this way: the facehugger can now infect people very quickly. It can put it's victim into a coma( like Oram) but only for pure sake of convience as in: it wouldn't be damaged by the struggling of the guy. It can do what it's meant to do under pressure and when it's instinct tell it it won't be able to finish, resulting in a more efficient creature.

    Do we actually know how long it took to infect Kane? I mean Kane may have been infected instantly and the facehugger remains on his face just to protect the embryo while it grows etc, just a thought though.

    'Right!'
  5. Jonesy1974
    Also, when Lope or (whatever his name was) was being chestbursted on the covenant, Daniels even had time to fry some eggs and take a nap.

    The problem with Lope isn't how quickly it bursts out of him, but how quickly it got in there in the first place.

    Kane was out with a Facehugger on him for the best part of a day. If it could've done it instantaneously like in Covenant, why would it keep him under for so long?

    Hi Hudaf**k,

    I appologise for being so rude to you the other day, I really am sorry.

    As for your remarks, I'd like to think of it this way: the facehugger can now infect people very quickly. It can put it's victim into a coma( like Oram) but only for pure sake of convience as in: it wouldn't be damaged by the struggling of the guy. It can do what it's meant to do under pressure and when it's instinct tell it it won't be able to finish, resulting in a more efficient creature.

    Do we actually know how long it took to infect Kane? I mean Kane may have been infected instantly and the facehugger remains on his face just to protect the embryo while it grows etc, just a thought though.
  6. Predaker
    A few thoughts regarding the aliens intelligence and fast growth rate in Covenant - These are the very first ones, growing at about the same rate as the neomorphs. As they move on to a subsequent generation and further away from the neomorphs, their growth rate will stabilize to allow a little more time for their brains to fully mature while they are still small enough to hide more efficiently.

    The growth rate wasnt off imo. When Oram was about to be chestbursted, David was throwing stones at him, implying that he sat there for a long ass time and he wanted Oram to wake the f*ck up. I believe several scenes prior to this were cut from the theatrical version to speed things up a bit.

    Also, when Lope or (whatever his name was) was being chestbursted on the covenant, Daniels even had time to fry some eggs and take a nap.

    Besides, the alien in Alien also matured very quickly. Remember when Brett picked the xeno skin from the ground and it was about half his size? Next scene he's looking at the BC...

    Some people complained that the aliens grew into an adult too fast after birth and weren't as intelligent as they should be.
  7. Snake
    Also, when Lope or (whatever his name was) was being chestbursted on the covenant, Daniels even had time to fry some eggs and take a nap.

    The problem with Lope isn't how quickly it bursts out of him, but how quickly it got in there in the first place.

    Kane was out with a Facehugger on him for the best part of a day. If it could've done it instantaneously like in Covenant, why would it keep him under for so long?

    Hi Hudaf**k,

    I appologise for being so rude to you the other day, I really am sorry.

    As for your remarks, I'd like to think of it this way: the facehugger can now infect people very quickly. It can put it's victim into a coma( like Oram) but only for pure sake of convience as in: it wouldn't be damaged by the struggling of the guy. It can do what it's meant to do under pressure and when it's instinct tell it it won't be able to finish, resulting in a more efficient creature.
  8. HuDaFuK
    Also, when Lope or (whatever his name was) was being chestbursted on the covenant, Daniels even had time to fry some eggs and take a nap.

    The problem with Lope isn't how quickly it bursts out of him, but how quickly it got in there in the first place.

    Kane was out with a Facehugger on him for the best part of a day. If it could've done it instantaneously like in Covenant, why would it keep him under for so long?
  9. Snake
    A few thoughts regarding the aliens intelligence and fast growth rate in Covenant - These are the very first ones, growing at about the same rate as the neomorphs. As they move on to a subsequent generation and further away from the neomorphs, their growth rate will stabilize to allow a little more time for their brains to fully mature while they are still small enough to hide more efficiently.

    The growth rate wasnt off imo. When Oram was about to be chestbursted, David was throwing stones at him, implying that he sat there for a long ass time and he wanted Oram to wake the f*ck up. I believe several scenes prior to this were cut from the theatrical version to speed things up a bit.

    Also, when Lope or (whatever his name was) was being chestbursted on the covenant, Daniels even had time to fry some eggs and take a nap.

    Besides, the alien in Alien also matured very quickly. Remember when Brett picked the xeno skin from the ground and it was about half his size? Next scene he's looking at the BC...
  10. Predaker
    A few thoughts regarding the aliens intelligence and fast growth rate in Covenant - These are the very first ones, growing at about the same rate as the neomorphs. As they move on to a subsequent generation and further away from the neomorphs, their growth rate will stabilize to allow a little more time for their brains to fully mature while they are still small enough to hide more efficiently.
  11. Primordial
    There are several great sequences in AC, and the production spared no expense; most of the first 20-25 minutes on the ship works for me (sans the painfully blatant bit where Oram awkwardly exposits on his religious character which goes nowhere in the final film), as does most everything til David takes them to the citadel. Once there it becomes a rolling disaster. Elements of the Walter/David sequences work, others are laughably pretentious even for someone with a high tolerance for Ridley's fascination with the artificial person. Nothing about David's connections with Shaw and Walter's with Daniels, or David's sudden adoration for Walter, makes sense or is properly explicated. The bombing sequence is dropped in as a sliver of a larger sequence and makes little sense on its own story-wise despite being visually grand. All the movie leaves you with is "and we killed everything from the last movie". To say nothing of the hilarious bit where David wails, "it trusted me!" And the alien developments are awful, as is David pawing Daniels; 'is this how it works?' Yes, we remember Ash and the magazine. That was a hilariously clumsy, stupid callback.

    Great actors, gorgeous design, great creatures. Several great scenes, as mentioned. (The medbay sequence is excellent from arrival to explosion, one of the best in the franchise, suffused with dread and horror.) But overall easily the weakest film in the franchise for me next to A3 or AR, both of which have merits but are supremely flawed. I actually prefer AR; it knows what it is. This film is caught between retreading old ground and Ridley's private obsessions. Talented/intriguing people with connections have no characters (Lope/Hallett, whose relationship is offscreen; the winning Rosenthal who is spunky but gets nothing; sardonic Upworth who largely exists to die on the USCSS Camp Crystal Lake in the last 15 mins) or are killed very quickly (Faris, Karine). Waterston is sweet and tough as Daniels but devolves into a Ripley clone in the rushed second half. The classic alien is utterly unneeded and basically rumbles along in a straight line as soon as it appears. It's fodder now. Not scary. The movie is a ritzy fan service-heavy, pretentious Friday the 13th. I suspected it would be deeply flawed but I didn't know it would be quite this disjointed, messy and confused in its second half.

    I'd never have been onboard with this particular story or wiping the slate clean on Shaw and Prometheus, but completely wiping out Noomi Rapace's screen time (right down to re-masking her face in the holograms post-test screening) feels vaguely punitive. Imagine the gravity of the drama if it had another 20-30 minutes, and Daniels or Walter had discovered David's 'beloved' Shaw sick or dying - infected? - telling them to kill her and destroy him. To say nothing of helping the overall pacing and characters as mentioned.
    Nice review, sharp and fair.
  12. CthulhuQueen
    Well, I had avoided all spoilers until seeing the film tonight. With my mum. Who has seen Prometheus 'a few years ago'

    Overall , although the film was beautifully shot, and acted, particularly by Fassbender, it felt like a bit of a let down? I can't put my finger on why.

    It felt a bit predictable, the spores, the facehugger scene, the whole David creepy baddie android hamming up thing. And is that a bone recorder/flute David is playing? So it's Shaw's bone?

    My mums summary was along the lines of 'what's the point?' I'm inclined to agree. She said 'so a woman survived all the gooey things and aliens from last time. And she rescued the robots head. And then the robot tortures and kills her, and lures another ship to the planet. And deceives them and kills them and gets in to their ship to kill all their passengers'

    I did elaborate for her, but I have to agree with her synopsis. It just feels like a set of steps a followed with regular shocks along the way, very formulaic.

    And a bit disappointing from a character point of view, Daniels was a bit of a wuss compared to Ripley or Shaw.
  13. StrangeShape
    Finally saw it. I was fired up and ready to go the evening before the premiere but then I got tempted into reading some spoilers...and I thought Ridley has lost his mind. Some ideas, like , of course, David creating the alien we all know, and David being the main villain revolted me so much I decided to pass till the bluray comes out, which for me for the most of my life as a diehard Alien fan would be unthinkable. But then I thought well, ok, some ideas sound incredibly stupid but they may be executed really well so lets give it a chance, and I finally saw it yesterday.

    Certainly , having expectations set as low as they can possibly be, its almost impossible to be disappointed. I loved the beginning, really good, hard hitting, ballsy and strong opening. Since nobody cares about others' reviews and most people dont read them anyway, all Ill say is that I was pleasantly surprised and thought it was a good movie. One thing I truly miss these days is the expressionist lighting and imagery that were present in the first two movies, and of course, the cg was laughably bad, but its ok, ill give it a pass cause the movie had quite a grim punch
  14. Ilikegriping
    The Audiobook is now out. I'm only on Chapter 8 but little touches here and there mean it is already making a little more sense than the movie itself. Also so far Daniels doesn't seem such a Mary Sue with all the best lines.
  15. SpeedyMaxx
    Cross-posting from another thread:

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    There are several great sequences in AC, and the production spared no expense; most of the first 20-25 minutes on the ship works for me (sans the painfully blatant bit where Oram awkwardly exposits on his religious character which goes nowhere in the final film), as does most everything til David takes them to the citadel. Once there it becomes a rolling disaster. Elements of the Walter/David sequences work, others are laughably pretentious even for someone with a high tolerance for Ridley's fascination with the artificial person. Nothing about David's connections with Shaw and Walter's with Daniels, or David's sudden adoration for Walter, makes sense or is properly explicated. The bombing sequence is dropped in as a sliver of a larger sequence and makes little sense on its own story-wise despite being visually grand. All the movie leaves you with is "and we killed everything from the last movie". To say nothing of the hilarious bit where David wails, "it trusted me!" And the alien developments are awful, as is David pawing Daniels; 'is this how it works?' Yes, we remember Ash and the magazine. That was a hilariously clumsy, stupid callback.

    Great actors, gorgeous design, great creatures. Several great scenes, as mentioned. (The medbay sequence is excellent from arrival to explosion, one of the best in the franchise, suffused with dread and horror.) But overall easily the weakest film in the franchise for me next to A3 or AR, both of which have merits but are supremely flawed. I actually prefer AR; it knows what it is. This film is caught between retreading old ground and Ridley's private obsessions. Talented/intriguing people with connections have no characters (Lope/Hallett, whose relationship is offscreen; the winning Rosenthal who is spunky but gets nothing; sardonic Upworth who largely exists to die on the USCSS Camp Crystal Lake in the last 15 mins) or are killed very quickly (Faris, Karine). Waterston is sweet and tough as Daniels but devolves into a Ripley clone in the rushed second half. The classic alien is utterly unneeded and basically rumbles along in a straight line as soon as it appears. It's fodder now. Not scary. The movie is a ritzy fan service-heavy, pretentious Friday the 13th. I suspected it would be deeply flawed but I didn't know it would be quite this disjointed, messy and confused in its second half.

    I'd never have been onboard with this particular story or wiping the slate clean on Shaw and Prometheus, but completely wiping out Noomi Rapace's screen time (right down to re-masking her face in the holograms post-test screening) feels vaguely punitive. Imagine the gravity of the drama if it had another 20-30 minutes, and Daniels or Walter had discovered David's 'beloved' Shaw sick or dying - infected? - telling them to kill her and destroy him. To say nothing of helping the overall pacing and characters as mentioned.
  16. Jonesy1974
    You know ... by listening to the score ... it made me realise the Med-Bay scene wasn't bad. It had the right amount of tension.



    Despite a few "WTF" moments though. Because, if you quarantine someone, make sure you don't have that persons blood splattered all over your face  ;D

    The moment Feris got Karine's blood on her face was when her composure cracked and everything went to shit. And it was beautifully directed and subtly felt.

    I don't really get why people criticize her behavior in this seen. She quite clearly has a complete melt down and isn't acting rationally, something I felt  Seimetz conveyed perfectly. The whole scene from the moment he falls ill is wonderfully constructed.
    Plus she was really portrayed as no-nonsense, strong character that didn't take shit from anybody. Didn't she even leave some gear behind the lander that might have been contaminated?

    Yes she did, I also liked the fact she told Karine she was 'just going to get Oram' I think it was just before she locked her in. She did this knowing he wouldn't have arrived yet. Its pure panic portrayed very realistically, its the lack of histrionics I liked.

    I think a lot of people couldn't connect with those characters (just like with Oram), but I think they were well written. And also it's peculiar how those two women were more prominent than guys like Lope and the significance of them dying earlier on was meant to shock us. It's been clear Ridley had been experimenting with pacing. In Prometheus hardly anyone had died until very late on. And then we were left with of characters that were shown on screen a lot but had few lines (Ford) or those two pilots who had very auxiliary role.

    Maybe so, but I think in the case of this scene people are seeking a problem based on this perception that the characters all behave stupidly. I think this is a carry over from Prometheus unfortunately but doesn't hold true for this film, not to my eyes anyway. Your point about pacing is interesting. Both Covenant and Prometheus have very unusual pacing and it is jarring. Even I felt the scenes at the end on Covenant seemed rushed and a little tagged on. So you think its an experimental thing?
  17. Predaker
    It was actually shawsbaby's post here that elaborated a bit about Shaw in Covenant (Prof. A had some interesting insight also though)

    So, now that I have had time to process the grief/irritation many (most? some?) of us felt upon realization that Shaw was shortchanged so profoundly in the overall prequel narrative, I do find myself (especially upon second viewing) appreciating a bit more how her presence was felt throughout the movie:

    - her garbled voice on the transmission/appearing in Tennessee's helmet
    - Daniels finding her tag on the ship and the photo of her and Charlie, wondering what she was doing out there
    - the crew watching Shaw's hologram on the ship (and Rosie lamenting, "Poor thing")
    - So much of David's dialogue being about Shaw
    - David showing Walter where he "buried" Shaw, placing the flower on the tombstone
    - the rather beautiful juxtaposition of David watching the Xeno emerge from Oram with David coming across the bizarre, horrific state of Shaw's corpse
    - Daniels finding the sketch of Shaw and confronting David, and the chilling but spare promise that he did to Shaw "what I'm going to do to you"

    That's a considerable amount of attention paid to her as a character and didn't feel to me like cheap exposition to explain her away. I would have very much liked to have seen Shaw alive in the film, or to have seen a flashback where David's experimenting on her began to take fruition, but I think using the filmed footage of her with David for the viral prologue was a better idea than starting the movie with that scene or showing it in flashback. Something about the way that footage was put together didn't feel like it belonged in the film proper.

    What do others think? Now that we've had time to assess it and some of us have seen the film multiple times, what are our thoughts on Shaw's presence in the film in the context of the finished cut? I think we can all agree she deserved better and she deserved more, but given the film as is, she felt rather important without needing to be seen.

    I also wouldn't count out that the next movie (if there is one) could very well bring Noomi Rapace back in to film a flashback to open the movie as they did with Guy Pearce. Having Weyland in that opening really made up his underwhelming appearance in Prometheus.

    Prof. a's thread - http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=57553.0
  18. Salt The Fries
    You know ... by listening to the score ... it made me realise the Med-Bay scene wasn't bad. It had the right amount of tension.



    Despite a few "WTF" moments though. Because, if you quarantine someone, make sure you don't have that persons blood splattered all over your face  ;D

    The moment Feris got Karine's blood on her face was when her composure cracked and everything went to shit. And it was beautifully directed and subtly felt.

    I don't really get why people criticize her behavior in this seen. She quite clearly has a complete melt down and isn't acting rationally, something I felt  Seimetz conveyed perfectly. The whole scene from the moment he falls ill is wonderfully constructed.
    Plus she was really portrayed as no-nonsense, strong character that didn't take shit from anybody. Didn't she even leave some gear behind the lander that might have been contaminated?

    Yes she did, I also liked the fact she told Karine she was 'just going to get Oram' I think it was just before she locked her in. She did this knowing he wouldn't have arrived yet. Its pure panic portrayed very realistically, its the lack of histrionics I liked.

    I think a lot of people couldn't connect with those characters (just like with Oram), but I think they were well written. And also it's peculiar how those two women were more prominent than guys like Lope and the significance of them dying earlier on was meant to shock us. It's been clear Ridley had been experimenting with pacing. In Prometheus hardly anyone had died until very late on. And then we were left with of characters that were shown on screen a lot but had few lines (Ford) or those two pilots who had very auxiliary role.
  19. Jonesy1974
    You know ... by listening to the score ... it made me realise the Med-Bay scene wasn't bad. It had the right amount of tension.



    Despite a few "WTF" moments though. Because, if you quarantine someone, make sure you don't have that persons blood splattered all over your face  ;D

    The moment Feris got Karine's blood on her face was when her composure cracked and everything went to shit. And it was beautifully directed and subtly felt.

    I don't really get why people criticize her behavior in this seen. She quite clearly has a complete melt down and isn't acting rationally, something I felt  Seimetz conveyed perfectly. The whole scene from the moment he falls ill is wonderfully constructed.
    Plus she was really portrayed as no-nonsense, strong character that didn't take shit from anybody. Didn't she even leave some gear behind the lander that might have been contaminated?

    Yes she did, I also liked the fact she told Karine she was 'just going to get Oram' I think it was just before she locked her in. She did this knowing he wouldn't have arrived yet. Its pure panic portrayed very realistically, its the lack of histrionics I liked.
  20. Salt The Fries
    You know ... by listening to the score ... it made me realise the Med-Bay scene wasn't bad. It had the right amount of tension.



    Despite a few "WTF" moments though. Because, if you quarantine someone, make sure you don't have that persons blood splattered all over your face  ;D

    The moment Feris got Karine's blood on her face was when her composure cracked and everything went to shit. And it was beautifully directed and subtly felt.

    I don't really get why people criticize her behavior in this seen. She quite clearly has a complete melt down and isn't acting rationally, something I felt  Seimetz conveyed perfectly. The whole scene from the moment he falls ill is wonderfully constructed.
    Plus she was really portrayed as no-nonsense, strong character that didn't take shit from anybody. Didn't she even leave some gear behind the lander that might have been contaminated?
  21. YutaniDitch
    Quote
    And do not mention scenes that were not in the movie because as far as any person who watched the movie and did not see the crossing scenes, they know nothing about it just from watching the movie...

    I can mention them if I want. I've seen them and pretty much any other fan following closely would have seen it too. It goes without saying it's not in the final cut but it still exists as the prologue to Covenant, and I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up on disc as well. The average movie goer who wouldn't even know Prometheus is an Alien film sure isn't going to care or remember much (if anything) about Shaw.

    Actually, without watching PROMETHEUS first, this movie will make even less sense... and truth of the matter is that this movie, as it is edited, completely disregards those clips... Any Director's Cut or fan viewings will not change that fact... The theatrical movie does not contemplate those clips at all... And many fans wanting to avoid spoilers may have skipped them altogether... Highly doubt it, but there is that chance... So, those unlucky ones if they were fans of P and Shaw, will be pretty pissed... Hell, I saw the Crossing and I am still pretty pissed about how Riddler dealt with it...
  22. Jonesy1974
    You know ... by listening to the score ... it made me realise the Med-Bay scene wasn't bad. It had the right amount of tension.



    Despite a few "WTF" moments though. Because, if you quarantine someone, make sure you don't have that persons blood splattered all over your face  ;D

    The moment Feris got Karine's blood on her face was when her composure cracked and everything went to shit. And it was beautifully directed and subtly felt.

    I don't really get why people criticize her behavior in this seen. She quite clearly has a complete melt down and isn't acting rationally, something I felt  Seimetz conveyed perfectly. The whole scene from the moment he falls ill is wonderfully constructed.
  23. Salt The Fries
    You know ... by listening to the score ... it made me realise the Med-Bay scene wasn't bad. It had the right amount of tension.



    Despite a few "WTF" moments though. Because, if you quarantine someone, make sure you don't have that persons blood splattered all over your face  ;D

    The moment Feris got Karine's blood on her face was when her composure cracked and everything went to shit. And it was beautifully directed and subtly felt.
  24. SyntaX
    You know ... by listening to the score ... it made me realise the Med-Bay scene wasn't bad. It had the right amount of tension.



    Despite a few "WTF" moments though. Because, if you quarantine someone, make sure you don't have that persons blood splattered all over your face  ;D
  25. Salt The Fries
    I feel like Ridley Scott never understood the appeal of Alien to begin with. He should just call the next movie he makes David, because that's the only character who ever really mattered in these movies.

    There was no point in recreating Alien or any of its or other films' approaches. And there's no point in clinging to the past, either. It's so easy to trivialize this film if it doesn't tick fanboy boxes :/
  26. DaddyYautja
    my review:

    What an uneventful film.

    The film was pretty much David messing with aliens and wanting to kill humanity and then catching a ride. That's it. None of the other characters mattered at all.

    From the start till when David finally shows up it stuff seen in alien movies already. This series of beats played out in the last movie. Why was it redone again for this one? Is there really no new way to tell an Alien story? Does it have to be some space crew landing in some strange planet, finding some alien things, getting infected, and then running around?

    For me the movie began when they finally got to continuing the Prom stuff, which was like a total of five minutes.

    Walter seems to exist for the sole purpose of having that conversation about robots being better than humans and that's it.  Oh and the last bit. But there could've been a thousand different ways to get to that.

    The chick was super tough, the space elevator ship scene was nice, but there was little development there. She just picks up a gun and goes. That thing that she was supposed to have to Walter would've been interesting if they bother to actually develop it. We just got one conversation and that apparently was enough. if it wasnt for David mentioning it that conversation would mean little.

    These movies are getting worst. And sorry, but being nicely shot does not excuse the non-story we have in this film.

    I mean, was there any explanation why that city had no tech? Why is David stuck there? Did i miss it? I mean, i was tuned out for the first bit because i've seen that stuff too many times. The events of this movie seem to be setup just to happen in the way that the people writing them wanted them to happen rather than being an actual developing story.

    Seriously, did i miss something cause i just tuned out?

    As a fan of the series this was, like i said above, David catching a ride and doing some experiments. Everything else was just there tacking space. And being a sequel, this film should not have been build as some sort of entry point for new viewers.
  27. Predaker
    Quote
    And do not mention scenes that were not in the movie because as far as any person who watched the movie and did not see the crossing scenes, they know nothing about it just from watching the movie...

    I can mention them if I want. I've seen them and pretty much any other fan following closely would have seen it too. It goes without saying it's not in the final cut but it still exists as the prologue to Covenant, and I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up on disc as well. The average movie goer who wouldn't even know Prometheus is an Alien film sure isn't going to care or remember much (if anything) about Shaw.
  28. genocyber
    I feel like Ridley Scott never understood the appeal of Alien to begin with. He should just call the next movie he makes David, because that's the only character who ever really mattered in these movies.
  29. YutaniDitch
    This is going to be ranty, but I attempted to be as fair as I could in my own personal assessment and refrain from bitching. I'm putting it in a spoiler tag to save everyone the wall of text.

    I personally give the movie a five out of ten. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about it, and this "you're not a true fan" business is silly. Anyone can be a true fan and like or dislike the film.

    Spoiler (click to show/hide)

    Much appreciated and insightful review, although I disagree with many of the negative criticisms here. Hopefully I will have time later to get around to addressing them individually because it is fairly long and thorough.

    First thing, a number of your criticisms directed at Covenant are actually faults of Prometheus so they aren't exactly fair to make here. I don't really address those below and I focus on the aspects of Covenant where I disagreed, and a few times where I do agree with you.

    Spoiler tag here, mostly because it's a bit long.

    Spoiler (click to show/hide)

    My only real complaint about the CGI would be one or two parts where the CGI blood stood out.

    It's definitely not a by-the-numbers standard Alien film. There are some faults, but none of them really stuck out for me and were greatly outweighed by the positives of it all. I absolutely loved Covenant and it sucks that some fans were disappointed or even hate it.

    Regarding  your Rosenthal theory and the John Denver song :

    Rosenthal was far enough for NOBODY to hear her scream and Shaw was not American, so singing a country song from 100 years earlier is not nitpicking, it is a plot device to identify her as human, since the hologram is a visual mess... This movie is full of plot devices like that Walter gibberish of Tennessee being able to intercept that transmission because he was away from the ship's comm buffers... That explanation sounded forced as hell when they could have just intercepted it... such contrived scene for something so easy to do... Also, David's ludicrous final log stating the log would reach the WY network in 1 year clearly contradicts the fact that Ash was communicating with the Network in far less time than that, mere hours if not less... And this is just 18 years before ALIEN...

    Regarding Oram: Oram had Just threatened David mere minutes before asking David if it was safe to be around the eggs... So yes, this scene is ridiculously incoherent...

    And do not mention scenes that were not in the movie because as far as any person who watched the movie and did not see the crossing scenes, they know nothing about it just from watching the movie... Same with the character development of the last supper scenes... Scenes that were not in the movie are not part of it... they should have been there in the first place, which shows how neutered this movie was to skip such vital scenes...

    The chestburster Groot cuty scene is preposterous and a slap in the face of fans, no matter how you slice it... Xenos are not cute, they cannot be taught tricks... The neomorph whispered scene was another POS scene that ridicules the feral nature of it...

    This movie is virtually unrewatchable with so many head scratching moments, including my fave, grunge David with long hair but no beard... 😂💩

    There was more you said that was very debatable, but I am tired... Will continue later... Cheers
  30. rabidranger
    Was just able to see it today. I'd give it a 3.5/5. Highlights:

    * Fassbender was great in both roles-in particular David. Perfect sociopath
    * Visuals were excellent-in particular the Engineer city and the Covenant ship
    * The other characters had some personality and weren't "red shirts." In particular liked Tennessee and Daniels
    * I thought the creature designs were a bit uneven but overall very good
    * David's "work space" was cool
    * Shaw's reveal

    My main criticism is the tease and lack of follow-up of the elements from Prometheus. I think the film would have greatly benefited from:

    * Implementing the full prologue
    * Delving into David's decision to wipe out the Engineers a bit more (I found their response to the presence of the Juggernaut very interesting)
    * Touching on the Engineer civilization a bit more
    * Spending a bit more time on Shaw

  31. Dkwookie
    God it kills me to say disappointed. I have loved Alien since seeing it back in the early 80's. It's my favourite film of all time. I really enjoyed Prometheus too. I didn't mind the lack of Xeno since the whole thing had a great Forbidden Planet vibe and I enjoyed the new elements added such as the goo and the Engineer race. David was a fascinating character and I loved the visual and audio experience.
    Covenant starts great with a really nice few scenes on the ship and the initial planet exploration. The actors are all great in their roles, especially Billy Crudup and Danny McBride. But things go pear shaped as soon as the first infection occurs. The slow build up (which I loved in Alien and Prometheus) ended abruptly and we were whisked into 2 Alien births and the ship being destroyed.
    From then on it went downhill with the entire section in the engineers city with David. It felt muddled and rushed with no real depth into why David did what he did.
    The appearance of the Xeno felt like an afterthought tacked on so it could be put on the poster and didn't pose any real threat for me.
    The final scenes on the spaceship felt like cut scenes from Alien Isolation, just not as good.
    I may need to see it a couple more times and maybe I will grow to like it. I read other reviews wondering how a super Alien fan could not enjoy a new Alien film. Gutted I now know why.
    What a cluster fcuk
    Edit: Still rate it 4/5 because I cannot bring myself to think it's the film. It's been a really bad day, my fav actor died and my home town was bombed by some psycho. I reckon I watched it it wrong frame of mind
  32. Engineer
    That was the beauty of it. None of the other films addressed it, but the mystery was still there. Now it's not. Nobody asked about the guy in the chair because most of us never really wanted an answer. He sought out answering the wrong questions. That's just my opinion.
  33. Darth Vile
    The xeno hasn't really been mysterious since Aliens; when it became a franchise based on the character of Ripley.
    I beg to differ... the mystery I'm referring to is it's origin. I never wanted to know, but Ridley gave it to us anyway. Same with the space jockey, and it has not done the trick for me...
    Same applies... after Alien, none of the other films played on that mystery. It was just a xenomorph... another bug hunt. The mystery only ever really existed in Alien... and even as Scott often states, nobody was really asking who the dude in the chair was...

    The xeno hasn't really been mysterious since Aliens; when it became a franchise based on the character of Ripley.
    I beg to differ... the mystery I'm referring to is it's origin. I never wanted to know, but Ridley gave it to us anyway. Same with the space jockey, and it has not done the trick for me...

    They could've made a decent prequel, but they reached too far. The mistake was trying to tie the mythos into an explanation for all of human existence. That's not exactly what I was hungry for when thinking about what the origins of the Xenomorph could be. Instead of getting the origin of the Xenomorph in terms of what their home planet might be like, we got the origin of humanity and a very lazy design that revealed the Space Jockey not to be an interesting type of biomechanoid Giger-alien, but a space suit worn by a plain white bald guy with big muscles.

    I think the only thing I'd like to see committed to film is a Giger'esque biomechinoid planet. Visually, that would be interesting... although not guaranteed it would make a film 'better'.
  34. Predaker
    This is going to be ranty, but I attempted to be as fair as I could in my own personal assessment and refrain from bitching. I'm putting it in a spoiler tag to save everyone the wall of text.

    I personally give the movie a five out of ten. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about it, and this "you're not a true fan" business is silly. Anyone can be a true fan and like or dislike the film.

    Spoiler (click to show/hide)

    Much appreciated and insightful review, although I disagree with many of the negative criticisms here. Hopefully I will have time later to get around to addressing them individually because it is fairly long and thorough.

    First thing, a number of your criticisms directed at Covenant are actually faults of Prometheus so they aren't exactly fair to make here. I don't really address those below and I focus on the aspects of Covenant where I disagreed, and a few times where I do agree with you.

    Spoiler tag here, mostly because it's a bit long.

    Spoiler (click to show/hide)

    My only real complaint about the CGI would be one or two parts where the CGI blood stood out.

    It's definitely not a by-the-numbers standard Alien film. There are some faults, but none of them really stuck out for me and were greatly outweighed by the positives of it all. I absolutely loved Covenant and it sucks that some fans were disappointed or even hate it.
  35. TheChaser
    I've watched the movie twice, here are some of my thoughts.
    I really liked the visuals and photography of the movie, but that's the least we can expect from Ridley Scott we know he can create beautiful movies.
    Loved the creatures and the design of the Engineer city, David's workshop was also amazing wish they would have show more these two scenes.
    The script had a lot more potential, the characters have made some stupid decisions sometimes and there were some plot holes as well. The biggest one that I still cannot forgive for the writers somehow is when David cuts his hair to look exactly like Walter but no one is reacting, like it's fully normal.
    I think the biggest issue of the movie was that it wanted to be the follow up of Prometheus and at the same time a true Alien movie, well it doesn't really succeeded.
    Also some parts were heavily edited and cutted, specially the last part of the movie. The life cycle of the creatures was way too fast as well, this is maybe also because of the edits. I would have stayed like a half an hour more easily, I really hope there will be and extended director's cut.
    The ending was left so open, I mean I have not clue where could the next episode go.  I'   m pretty sure in one of those pods there will be some famous actor or more haha.
    The score was fantastic I think Jed Kurzel did a great job, it was good to hear the references from the other movies.

    I really loved Prometheus, it was so mysterious and something fresh by introducing the Engineers so obviously I was expecting more screen time from them. It's a bit confusing if this was indeed their home planet, because if it really was they had only one city? Also such an ancient and advanced civilization cannot live on a single planet right, I mean they were able to travel through the galaxy and create life they must have populated many planets. Also it seemed like they were happy to see one of their ships arrive as they were cheering, (little that they know it's not piloted by one of them) so they were sort of expecting the arrival of one of their ships. It felt like these Engineers were actually retired from their technology, by the way the city looked stunning with that ancient roman architecture. Anyway I really wish and hope to see and learn more about them in the sequel or maybe we get even a spin off in the future, because there are so many questions left open.
    Also they knew about the Xeno, I mean there is a mural in Prometheus which actually looks like the Deacon on closer look. So David has recreated this creature and perfect it, the result was the look of the classic Xenomorph.

    So all in all it was a good movie, but it had much more potential and I've expected something a bit different but I'll probably watch it a third time as well so I will take my part from the box office haha.
    By the way I took with me some of my friends both times, some of them doesn't liked Prometheus at all but even them wanted to see and know more about the Engineers and actually everyone I've asked and discussed with. So Ridley and Fox if you are reading this in the next movie we want more Engineers, like a lot of them! :D There is so much potential if they would go that direction.
  36. Hudson
    The xeno hasn't really been mysterious since Aliens; when it became a franchise based on the character of Ripley.
    I beg to differ... the mystery I'm referring to is it's origin. I never wanted to know, but Ridley gave it to us anyway. Same with the space jockey, and it has not done the trick for me...

    They could've made a decent prequel, but they reached too far. The mistake was trying to tie the mythos into an explanation for all of human existence. That's not exactly what I was hungry for when thinking about what the origins of the Xenomorph could be. Instead of getting the origin of the Xenomorph in terms of what their home planet might be like, we got the origin of humanity and a very lazy design that revealed the Space Jockey not to be an interesting type of biomechanoid Giger-alien, but a space suit worn by a plain white bald guy with big muscles.
  37. BigDaddyJohn
    Hmmm... Well I loved it !! Im one of the ones that feels were in good hands With Ridley onboard.

    What was it u did not like exatctly ?? just curious  ;)

    The fact that Ridley Scott damages his own mythology by rationalizing it
    Spoiler (click to show/hide)
    , I think it doesn't need rationalization, but since we're going to get it anyway, we could expect at least some quality in the execution... which I didn't find in the movie, the direction was kinda weak, except for the neomorphs births, the characters were almost all underdeveloped (so no real emotion when they get killed), the gore stuff was very good though, but that's not much for a whole movie
  38. Engineer
    Hmmm... Well I loved it !! Im one of the ones that feels were in good hands With Ridley onboard.

    What was it u did not like exatctly ?? just curious  ;)

    I feel it's not inline with the story. I've never liked the idea of the prequel angle. It de-mystifies "alien."  And now with David being the creator only 2 decades before the nostromo finds the derelict, it loses that ancient feel, and seems less 'alien' to me. Now it's just some crazy robots science experiement! Plus, the black goo from Prometheus and the 'pathogen' idea I've never been on board with; body morphing horror has never worked for me. It just comes off as cheesy and goofy when a character is mutated by black goop. It hasn't worked for me in any other movie before, and it doesn't really work for me now. Alien was unique, but now it's losing that uniqueness and adopting an over used mysterious black goo concept. I liked the fact that the black goo was less of the focus this time, but it was still there and an important plot element. It also seems to me like Ridley is not interested in any lore that proceeded his movies that he wasn't apart of. This feels like a retcon of everything after alien (getting rid of the queen) or possibly a reboot; if that's true and turns out to be the case, I'm going to be very upset with this whole prequel effort, Ridley and fox.
  39. Engineer
    Saw it yestarday and I was REALY pleased With it  ;D Was about time they took it a bit back to the original. Also loved the way they tied it in With promotheus. SPOILERS Making David the creator of the xenomorph I though makes it even more terrifying. Alien is back baby thumbs up  ;)
    I felt the exact opposite about it.
    Same. It feels like Scott didn't bother to watch his own movie again before making some of these decisions. Of course they'll try to explain it in a sequel but I bet that will only make it worse.
    That's my fear too
  40. Deathbearer
    Saw it yestarday and I was REALY pleased With it  ;D Was about time they took it a bit back to the original. Also loved the way they tied it in With promotheus. SPOILERS Making David the creator of the xenomorph I though makes it even more terrifying. Alien is back baby thumbs up  ;)
    I felt the exact opposite about it.
    Same. It feels like Scott didn't bother to watch his own movie again before making some of these decisions. Of course they'll try to explain it in a sequel but I bet that will only make it worse.
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