We last heard in August that Prometheus 2 had been written and today, Yahoo Movies got the chance to speak to Ridley Scott about Blade Runner 2 and Prometheus 2. He says that the Prometheus sequel is still being written after 15 drafts and hints that like the first one, we won’t be seeing any iconic xenomorphs running around.
“Right now, as we speak, it’s being written,” he says. “I’ve had 15 drafts evolving. I definitely want to do that again because I really enjoyed doing ‘Prometheus’.
He is sanguine about the mixed reaction to the first prequel, about which many negative comments revolved around the lack of recognizable monsters from the original.
“The beast is done. Cooked,” he says simply. “I got lucky meeting Giger all those years ago. It’s very hard to repeat that. I just happen to be the one who forced it through because they said it’s obscene. They didn’t want to do it and I said, ‘I want to do it, it’s fantastic’. But after four (he has conveniently forgotten the ‘AvP’ movies), I think it wears out a little bit. There’s only so much snarling you can do. I think you’ve got to come back with something more interesting. And I think we’ve found the next step. I thought the Engineers were quite a good start.”
So what can audiences expect to happen?
“You’ll probably have to go with [Noomi Rapace’s Elizabeth Shaw] and [Michael Fassbender’s android David] – without his head. Find out how he gets his head back on!”
Thanks to Mike for the news.
That first one with John Hurt and Ian Holm and that sucked balls.
*fixed
Or Davids.....
But since they were nameless and faceless, no one missed them and it had no bearing on the film being "a mess".
Might as well have crew made up a bald convicts...
Yes, those terribly effective security guards who served him so well, half of whom got killed only to magically reappear in the next scene.
This film was a mess.
Weyland has invested everything in David, his confidante throughout the mission even when he's in hypersleep. There's no-one amongst the crew that Weyland needs, other than security guards and apparently someone of faith for his own peace of mind.
"Is there an agenda we're not being told about?" Yes, there is. You're (Holloway, Shaw, etc) superfluous.
There is no counter argument to the "Steve Irwin" analogy that doesn't make everyone involved an idiot. Just stop. STOP.
Sure, let's spend who knows how many billions building this spaceship and sending it further out into deep space than any manned mission has ever been before, with Weyland himself going along desperately hoping the operation will be a success and grant him a means to extend his life... and then really guarantee the success of the whole thing by crewing the ship with a bunch of bargain bin retards.
On the other hand, there were many elements that made Alien a horror movie, not only the creature:
1. A dystopian future ruled by mega-corporations, with old ships and lots of technological devices that seem like obsolete scrap.
2. A brilliant soundtrack, which takes us into this world ruled by fear of the unknown.
3. The characters in Alien, much better developed than in Prometheus. In Alien there is no escape from his concept of slasher-in-space. There are many mundane things, like everything around the cat, and the cold relationship of his characters, all elements that are the guide to make even more alien, the xenomorph.
4. The claustrophobic atmosphere, something that was not present in Prometheus.
Anyway, something tells me that Ridley Scott will not make a horror movie. But I'm very curious to learn more about the Engineers.
Sums up my problem with the characters far better than I managed myself.
Firstly, so far as I know, Irwin wasn't in the same profession - and was getting paid to deliberately put himself at risk. That's a whole world away (no pun intended) from an expedition to an alien world where very strict protocols about quarantine and contamination should have been getting observed. He didn't even take along any equipment for safe handling of organisms, for crying out loud.
Secondly, it wasn't just his actions, alone. The ship is supposedly crewed by leading experts, but it's just one example of a pattern of ineptitude; all of which starts with Shaw's other half removing his helmet - and the rest of them idiotically following suit. I could buy Weyland doing it, because he's being portrayed as arrogant to the hilt (part of why I preferred Henriksen's version), but these guys? No... It's like the scientists in this session say: After a certain point, you're actively rooting for them to die, purely for entertainment value and that's not an end result you want when writing a story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osBFSuTRTqk#ws
Also, like they say, there is the distinct feeling that Ridley Scott and co did have advisors on hand, but probably chose to ignore them for cheap thrills.
I'm still very intrigued at what the unseen later draft included...
It needed much less in the way of an Alien body-count (confronting one should have been portrayed as so insanely dangerous, that it's their rite of passage to become an elite, not merely an adult), but otherwise hopped along at a nice pace. Considering the first draft was written over a weekend or so, it held together relatively well. It's difficult to judge until we get access to a later version.
That's really the issue, from what I can tell. Scott was pushing for that angle and encouraging it, compounding the issue. It's just a huge shame that, for all the deliberate attempt at mystery, there isn't one moment which comes close to the here-be-dragons feel of that original Space Jockey reveal, which is what he should have been going for.
Kind of interesting to see that 'Isolation' is disproving his statements about how the Alien supposedly can't be portrayed as scary anymore, though... Wonder if he'll do a 180 if he's shown some of the more relevant footage.
Granted it's been sometime since I last read it but I always thoughts Briggs' script was just fine as it was and would have made a great film.
And that is Lindelof's problem in a nutshell. He simply can't do logical. He wants spectacle and ambiguous - something Ridley Scott also wanted apparently.
oh ok
maybe he has .........
noted
LOL
is the relevance of him losing it as a director the reason why prometheus was .......well whatever people say it was
is that the cause of the prometheus we got ??
That's not really what I'm saying. People just started saying Scott has lost it somewhat as a director, and I agreed.
i am not very knowledgable on movies and directors so out pure lack of knowledge : are they better ?? i am asking because i really dont know.
my question is if them being better will they have made a better alien prequel ??
Scorsese? Cameron? Nolan? Spielberg?
Like them or not, most of the time they hit rather than miss.
perhaps
but is there anyone better ??
not attacking simply asking??
life has a balance and i believe ridley has done two of the greatest sci fies ever(in the top 5 of all time definitely) . where do you go after that ?? if you do the same what will happen?
i just think ridley did two original movies - both alien and blade runner were original movies or am i mistaken. and they were copied to death.
or were they ??
if not what set them apart ??
both alien and bladerunner werent thrill a minute movies they build slowly and finally deliver.
that s why they are classics. and cameron came and just build on that and forgot about the space jockey.
Ridley has the ability to see and create something original strange beautful - he has the ability to create composition - and like all work of art not everone allways works that well or will be considered art.
just my two cents....
He's not exactly Mr. Consistency.
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If only.
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That nonsense muffin analogy was your initial response to something I said that you clearly didn't understand.
Nevermind, I wish I had never offered an opinion in this thread. Should have known better.
Sorry, I seem to have interrupted your discussion on how Prometheus raped your collective childhoods. Please continue....
You conveniently snipped the Steve Irwin analogy that sorta disproves that.
Would any scientist ever experiment on themselves? - the logic behind a highly trained career would suggest not, but history says otherwise.
Having just watched the said scene again, both Fifield and Milburn are obviously nervous, Milburn only appears to be putting on a show of bravado in front of the clearly more panicked Fifiled. He claims "She's mesmerised" before the strike. He made a big mistake, I don't see the problem.
If you're saying Prometheus is a nonsensical film because of Milburn's actions, or even that Milburn is representative of a general lack of plausible science, I just don't find it a big enough bugbear amongst the more interesting themes that are there.
I'm not trying to change your mind, you don't like Promethues much, ok. I do like it quite a lot. Admittedly it works better with knowledge of some of the deleted scenes but I still find it a very good film.
Doing something stupid is one thing. Doing something they would specifically never, ever do as one of the fundamentals of their highly-trained career is another.
Yeah, since ancient times
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poetics_%28Aristotle%29
People who are destined to die in movies usually do something stupid. Just like real people sometimes do.
I see. So how did that well thought out script aka recipe come into existence? Did it already exist when the very first muffin ever made was baked?
But that's not what we're debating. We're debating the fact that the film was a nonsensical mess, even if you ignore all the extraterrestrial stuff in it.
By going step by step through script that is really well though. The story should have opening, build up, catharsis and ending. Prometheus have great bulid up, but there is no point nor strong ending whatsoever.
Wholly agree with this.
To this day, I still sometimes re-read it from start to finish. Has just the right tone and pacing for a movie.
I don't think that aiming for an epic sense of scope was the film's problem (and nor do I think 'Aliens' should ever just be assumed to be about gun battles). But the characters do come across as inept/idiotic and the storyline is messy with not much in the way of a logical climactic pay-off. We, the audience, are presented with big questions, sure, but the supposed answers are convoluted as hell and for no good reason: Going by the comments of Scott/Lindelof, they never really had any kind of over-arcing plan in mind and were making stuff up as they went along. Even the black ooze seems inconsistent and they admitted to having no idea of whether it was meant to be a weapon or genetic enhancement simply applied wrong.
If the basic idea of what drove the story had been written in a more logical, plausible fashion, there wouldn't be nearly the same level of criticism levelled against it.
Producer John Davis appears to be the main guy responsible for these films becoming a reality and in the same process, bury whatever aspirations other producers, writers or film makers had with this universe - including Ridleys and Camerons ideas.
they adapted the ships and the tech to their needs but ended up killing themselves since they didn't have all the answers on how the tech worked.
and wanted to restart earth with fresh research subjects to start their own research project which was thwarted by an insider still loyal to the sj's.
but realistically probably the sj = engineer and they sj mystery is no more
i just thought the workaround could have retained that sj mystery with all its lovecraftian feel.
then everyone would have been happy........
i tried !!! i tried to help ......... find a solution .......but to no avail
*sigh*
Actually, I was so disappointed by the first, I'm not sure I'll even bother with the second. Considering the number of films I've missed in the cinema over the years that I actaully really wanted to see, I doubt I'll be able to get that excited over one I'm not especially looking forward to.
The original comic was that way. The first AvP had no story, and the second avp only mentioned the jockeyship from Alien in a personal data file but otherwise was a standalone.
I think it can work. I dug the original AvP comic, and both the two video games. It might only work in a "whoa, that was awesome," popcorn flick movie but it can work.
I had wanted to get all the writers on this board together and leak a fake "script" as an april fools joke pushing all the things that we complain about not having in an AvP movie to see where the interest lay (somebody did that with an Alien V script back in the day that got everybody excited post Res), but I have no time and lay awake at night worry about being broke.
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AVPR was just incomprehensibility bad.
Alien vs Predator as a very concept should just be swept under the rug, in my opinion. They tried it, it didn't work, best to just forget and move on. I find the two series more interesting on their own anyways.