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Dark Horse To Reboot Comic Series

Earlier this year we reported that Dark Horse would be launching a Prometheus comic series. Over the past several days news has been emerging that Dark Horse would also be launching new Alien, Predator and versus series. However, according to this io9 article Dark Horse intends to reboot the comic franchise and bridge all four franchises into a single continuity:

“The level of collaboration here between the writers is pretty phenomenal, actually. Chris, Paul, and Joshua are all friends of mine who I hang out with on a regular basis, but it was an interesting experience getting to sit together in one room with them and hash out the intricacies of these various characters and their individual stories, and how they would sync up and interact. When Scott brought me onboard, he described it as a “writer’s room,” which is something that I hadn’t really been a part of before.”

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The io9 article includes brief interviews with writers of all four series and includes several pieces of concept art by the series artists. I for one am very interested in this news. A solid EU continuity is something that the Aliens/Predator franchise just don’t have. I’m excited to see where this goes.



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  1. predxeno
    I forgot, Beagle has me on ignore. So it seems he was lumping me in with predxeno on this one, oh well.

    Why does Beagle have you on ignore? ???

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    It has been brought up before. Plenty of times.

    Good try though!
    To be fair it's never really been responded to, though. :P

    I would be really interested to hear what the supporters of that argument have to say to defend it; helps me understand their viewpoint a bit better.
  2. Xenomrph
    I forgot, Beagle has me on ignore. So it seems he was lumping me in with predxeno on this one, oh well.

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    It has been brought up before. Plenty of times.

    Good try though!
    To be fair it's never really been responded to, though. :P
  3. SpreadEagleBeagle
    Well, this is the first time I have brought up the "double standard" argument regarding canon so it shouldn't be as excruciating as previous debates, besides I haven't even attacked you for your standing (a respect that isn't reciprocated).

    It has been brought up before. Plenty of times.

    Good try though!



    Well, by stepping out at this juncture, he is forfeiting the argument and really is admitting the defeat; I guess I hit him with an argument he couldn't counter.

    You're hilarious Predxeno. It's impossible to argue with people like you (I.e. "everything is canon" posse) - its frustrating and doesn't lead anywhere. You don't listen; select what to counter and then interpret it ass-backward ending up twisting it to fit your crusade. It's tiring, meaningless and downright excruciating.

    The fact that you believe that the reason SM isn't answering back is because you really believe you 'won' the argument just proves my point.

    I would've said that like bashing your against a brick wall, it feels good when you stop; but 'excrutiating' is much more succinct.

    Unfortunately it is hard to stop since they won't, don't, can't and shan't... Aggravating.

    Anywho, I'm not gonna be lured back into this by Predxeno to join this canon cat and mouse game going on here, and I'm blizzfully unaware of Xenomrph's posts since our last skirmish - I've done my part, so I'm withdrawing now from this tainted thread.

    And to the "Everything is canon" consortium I say feel free to (mis)interpret this as me admitting defeat if that makes you sleep better at night. Adieu!  :-*
  4. predxeno
    Well, this is the first time I have brought up the "double standard" argument regarding canon so it shouldn't be as excruciating as previous debates, besides I haven't even attacked you for your standing (a respect that isn't reciprocated).
  5. SM
    Well, by stepping out at this juncture, he is forfeiting the argument and really is admitting the defeat; I guess I hit him with an argument he couldn't counter.

    You're hilarious Predxeno. It's impossible to argue with people like you (I.e. "everything is canon" posse) - its frustrating and doesn't lead anywhere. You don't listen; select what to counter and then interpret it ass-backward ending up twisting it to fit your crusade. It's tiring, meaningless and downright excruciating.

    The fact that you believe that the reason SM isn't answering back is because you really believe you 'won' the argument just proves my point.

    I would've said that like bashing your against a brick wall, it feels good when you stop; but 'excrutiating' is much more succinct.
  6. predxeno
    Well, by stepping out at this juncture, he is forfeiting the argument and really is admitting the defeat; I guess I hit him with an argument he couldn't counter.

    You're hilarious Predxeno. It's impossible to argue with people like you (I.e. "everything is canon" posse) - its frustrating and doesn't lead anywhere. You don't listen; select what to counter and then interpret it ass-backward ending up twisting it to fit your crusade. It's tiring, meaningless and downright excruciating.

    The fact that you believe that the reason SM isn't answering back is because you really believe you 'won' the argument just proves my point.

    That's pretty ironic, you guys are the ones not listening; I have presented my points and my rebuttals on every topic here in a very reasonable and very professional manner (things I don't always get in return, mind you). 

    If you actually read my posts, you'd see that it's you guys who don't listen, interpret ass-backwards, and twist things to fit your crusade.  I brought up a very valid point that there are double standards in how fans like you choose what is canon or not and all I'm asking is your reasoning why this is the case.  Instead of responding to my argument, I see people duck for cover, sidestep out of conversations, and even place subtle insults to cover their own asses. 

    If nobody wants to respond back to me, then my argument (which has been presented quite clearly, logically, and inoffensively) stands unchallenged and it really does look like you are attempting to avoid the issue rather than confront it head on.  All I'm asking for is your reasoning in this matter, I haven't cast derogatory statements or even tried to attack you for your beliefs, there should be no reason to actually refuse; this is actually the first time I've used this particular argument for my beliefs and I would appreciate the community's response.

    Well, by stepping out at this juncture, he is forfeiting the argument and really is admitting the defeat; I guess I hit him with an argument he couldn't counter.

    You're hilarious Predxeno. It's impossible to argue with people like you (I.e. "everything is canon" posse)
    Whoa whoa whoa, I'd really prefer it if you didn't lump me in with him in this case. Predxeno and I may agree on the idea that "everything is canon", but our reasons for why we feel that way are pretty different, and if you read through this thread there have been plenty of instances where I outright disagreed with him and supported SM.

    I don't think he was referring to you at all; I didn't get that vibe, but way to make a point putting us on different sides.
  7. Xenomrph
    Well, by stepping out at this juncture, he is forfeiting the argument and really is admitting the defeat; I guess I hit him with an argument he couldn't counter.

    You're hilarious Predxeno. It's impossible to argue with people like you (I.e. "everything is canon" posse)
    Whoa whoa whoa, I'd really prefer it if you didn't lump me in with him in this case. Predxeno and I may agree on the idea that "everything is canon", but our reasons for why we feel that way are pretty different, and if you read through this thread there have been plenty of instances where I outright disagreed with him and supported SM.

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    Yup, it does. One of my favorite stories too btw, its moody

    I recently re-read Sacrifice, and with a hefty suspension of disbelief, it's very good.  Artwork is fantastic, as is most of the writiing.



    It was a pleasant surprise for me. I never heard of it untill I got the Omnibus. People always praise Labyrinth most often but I never heard any praise or mention of Sacrifice. I was surprised how good this little horror story is and the artwork is great. Even the alien's design is so detailed and faithfully recreating Kane's Son
    Sacrifice is great, and so is Salvation - they both complement each other well thematically, while still being very different from each other.
  8. SpreadEagleBeagle
    Well, by stepping out at this juncture, he is forfeiting the argument and really is admitting the defeat; I guess I hit him with an argument he couldn't counter.

    You're hilarious Predxeno. It's impossible to argue with people like you (I.e. "everything is canon" posse) - its frustrating and doesn't lead anywhere. You don't listen; select what to counter and then interpret it ass-backward ending up twisting it to fit your crusade. It's tiring, meaningless and downright excruciating.

    The fact that you believe that the reason SM isn't answering back is because you really believe you 'won' the argument just proves my point.
  9. StrangeShape
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    Yup, it does. One of my favorite stories too btw, its moody

    I recently re-read Sacrifice, and with a hefty suspension of disbelief, it's very good.  Artwork is fantastic, as is most of the writiing.



    It was a pleasant surprise for me. I never heard of it untill I got the Omnibus. People always praise Labyrinth most often but I never heard any praise or mention of Sacrifice. I was surprised how good this little horror story is and the artwork is great. Even the alien's design is so detailed and faithfully recreating Kane's Son
  10. Xenomrph
    ...



     :laugh:

    Since every time I back my stuff up it's duly ignored, twisted, or reinterpreted to the point of braindead idiocy, i'ma stop now.
    He's kinda got a point, and it's not like it's an isolated case. The EU consistently gets held to more stringent standards than the films themselves when "continuity errors" are concerned. As mentioned, if we're going to apply the same metric you used in your earlier post, the movies are chock full of similar goofs, mistakes, and errors, but they get a free pass while the EU gets crucified.

    There's enough to complain about in Colonial Marines without resorting to nit-picking and double-standards. :P
  11. predxeno
    That's the coward's way out, SM, I have listened to your arguments and even though I see ways to fix it, I am willing to listen to you.  However, I am pointing out a VERY fatal flaw in your stance; if you launch these attacks against A:CM and remove it from canon, then these same arguments will have bearing on Alien 3 and any other films with similar inconsistencies.

    This is how laws and statutes are made all over the world; you can't just put one law to apply to a specific situation, it needs to apply to ALL situations.  We all have our personal canons, but if they are based SOLELY on what we want as opposed to what is in front of us, then it's nothing more than our own personal fantasies.  This standard that you have set up to combat A:CM will inevitably combat Alien 3 as well unless you find a way to differentiate the two so that the standard you have set is set specifically at your target rather than all-encompassing.
  12. predxeno
    You say a LOT of stuff, but why don't you actually back it up with something concrete for once?  If you can just up and at it with A:CM, what makes it so different that Alien 3 will be spared under the exact same circumstances?
  13. Xenomrph
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    A fairly dopey one, possibly brought about by the devs not wanting to create another Hicks model.
    I'm 100% sure it's because of this.

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    Hicks wears the same armour with the same customisation as he does in the film - despite it being destroyed in the film.
    I suspect this is also a byproduct of "developer laziness" - there's already a "movie Hicks" character model in the game for use in multiplayer, so they likely recycled it for singleplayer (although you'd think it'd be easier to just slap the Hicks head model on a generic Marine body, but I dunno).
  14. predxeno
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    I think that's just to symbolize sort of suspense so that the viewer will be surprised to find out that it's actually Turk who went to Fury 161; if the two were dressed the same, then there'd be no surprise.


    It's still a continuity error.  A fairly dopey one, possibly brought about by the devs not wanting to create another Hicks model.

    Either way, it falls into the same category as the other continuity errors you pointed out; if you use this argument against A:CM, then you'll have to use them on Alien 3 as well as Xenomrph pointed out.

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    I don't understand.


    Hicks wears the same armour with the same customisation as he does in the film - despite it being destroyed in the film.

    Maybe he recustomized a different set of armor. :/
  15. SM
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    I think that's just to symbolize sort of suspense so that the viewer will be surprised to find out that it's actually Turk who went to Fury 161; if the two were dressed the same, then there'd be no surprise.


    It's still a continuity error.  A fairly dopey one, possibly brought about by the devs not wanting to create another Hicks model.

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    I don't understand.


    Hicks wears the same armour with the same customisation as he does in the film - despite it being destroyed in the film.

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    We're keeping things on the game now, but some people can argue that Randy Pitchford declared all Dark Horse Aliens comics non-canon; supposedly this includes the comic they made to promote Pitchford's own game that he was trying to sell, seems like a pretty stupid screw up on Pitchford's part or a deliberate stab in the back.

    I'm not arguing Pitchford did anything either way - it's just an example of how EU material all tied to the same product (including Infestation which Gearbox also had a hand in) isn't even consistent with itself, never mind the films it's based on.
  16. predxeno
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    - The Hicks they wake up in SI is fully clothed, yet the guy who comically gets punched into his tube is dressed like Hicks was at the end of Aliens (boxers and bandages).

    I think that's just to symbolize sort of suspense so that the viewer will be surprised to find out that it's actually Turk who went to Fury 161; if the two were dressed the same, then there'd be no surprise.

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    - Hicks armour is able to teleport from the colony and repair itself.

    I don't understand.

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    - The comic attached to A:CM shows that the Sephora was swarming with Aliens and WY commandos just prior to the events in the game.

    We're keeping things on the game now, but some people can argue that Randy Pitchford declared all Dark Horse Aliens comics non-canon; supposedly this includes the comic they made to promote Pitchford's own game that he was trying to sell, seems like a pretty stupid screw up on Pitchford's part or a deliberate stab in the back.
  17. Xenomrph
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    - Hadley and the AP were vapourised.
    - Hicks is dead.
    Those aren't continuity issues any moreso than bringing Ripley back to life in A:R, or introducing Queens in 'Aliens'. It's new information that changes old information - it's not automatically a "contradiction".

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    - People wake up with huggers on their faces, rather than the hugger crawling off to die.
    - Hicks wakes up in his tube, instead of the tube opening and then him waking up.
    - You don't open a locked door by running a welder along where the doors meet - you melt the lock.
    Not seeing the problem with any of these.

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    - The Sulaco and colony are riddled with mistakes compared to the film.
    - The recreation of the end of Alien3 also has a number of mistakes.
    And the opening to 'Alien3' has mistakes compared to the ending of 'Aliens' (namely the 'Alien'-style cryotubes, but you can handwave that if you take the opening of the movie as a surreal dream sequence that's not meant to be taken literally), and I suspect the opening to 'Aliens' had mistakes compared to 'Alien' (since they had to re-build the Narcissus model and set from scratch), and Gediman says Ripley's blood was from "Fiori 16". Personally, I'm absolutely willing to overlook similar problems in Colonial Marines.

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    - The Sephora intercepted the Sulaco about 3 months before the game started, and the Sulaco had a giant hole blown in it's lower forward hull and was sent spinning off into space, a couple of weeks or so later.
    I take it this is an Aliens: Infestation callout?
  18. SM
    srsly?

    - Hadley and the AP were vapourised.
    - Hicks is dead.
    - The Hicks they wake up in SI is fully clothed, yet the guy who comically gets punched into his tube is dressed like Hicks was at the end of Aliens (boxers and bandages).
    - The Sulaco and colony are riddled with mistakes compared to the film.
    - The recreation of the end of Alien3 also has a number of mistakes.
    - People wake up with huggers on their faces, rather than the hugger crawling off to die.
    - Hicks wakes up in his tube, instead of the tube opening and then him waking up.
    - Hicks armour is able to teleport from the colony and repair itself.
    - You don't open a locked door by running a welder along where the doors meet - you melt the lock.
    - The Sephora intercepted the Sulaco about 3 months before the game started, and the Sulaco had a giant hole blown in it's lower forward hull and was sent spinning off into space, a couple of weeks or so later.
    - The comic attached to A:CM shows that the Sephora was swarming with Aliens and WY commandos just prior to the events in the game.

    Not everything is the same level of stupid of course (the door and welder thing is forgiveable for instance), but there you go.
  19. Xenomrph
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    Yup, it does. One of my favorite stories too btw, its moody

    Alien infestation of Earth has nothing to do with any of the films.  Which was my point.
    Your post seemed to imply it didn't reference the events of anything, my mistake.

    Edit-- re-reading your post, I see you said "film character or event", I must have missed the word film. My bad.

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    So what have you got against A:CM continuity-wise?

    Everything.  None of it fits with the films or indeed, other EU material.
    Yeah that's some pretty hefty hyperbole right there.
  20. SM
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    Yup, it does. One of my favorite stories too btw, its moody

    Alien infestation of Earth has nothing to do with any of the films.  Which was my point.

    I recently re-read Sacrifice, and with a hefty suspension of disbelief, it's very good.  Artwork is fantastic, as is most of the writiing.

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    So what have you got against A:CM continuity-wise?

    Everything.  None of it fits with the films or indeed, other EU material.
  21. predxeno
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    Yes that's true however I fight for what I believe in and I don't turn away just because it's easier, if it that means I have to sacrifice certain pleasures in life, like happiness, so be it.


    And how's that working out for you?

    Sacrifices are made for the greater good (from my angle) so how I am is irrelevant.

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    We can also count A:CM and their resurrection of Hicks (which I liked, btw), but then again we're running into that double standard where the fan base is overtly harsh on products they don't like and overtly lenient and products they do; I believe in a neutral opinion unaffected by one's feelings toward the title.

    I believe in a neutral opinion where the actual content is assessed against whether it conforms with the primary source material and unaffected by the fact it simply has 'Aliens' slapped on it.

    You realize that whatever argument you will state in that regard will correspondingly affect the Prometheus discussion we're having in the other thread, right?
  22. SM
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    Yes that's true however I fight for what I believe in and I don't turn away just because it's easier, if it that means I have to sacrifice certain pleasures in life, like happiness, so be it.


    And how's that working out for you?

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    We can also count A:CM and their resurrection of Hicks (which I liked, btw), but then again we're running into that double standard where the fan base is overtly harsh on products they don't like and overtly lenient and products they do; I believe in a neutral opinion unaffected by one's feelings toward the title.

    I believe in a neutral opinion where the actual content is assessed against whether it conforms with the primary source material and unaffected by the fact it simply has 'Aliens' slapped on it.
  23. predxeno
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    Also the entire "only movies are canon" argument is possibly the worst explanation I've heard mention on this site, NOT because the idea itself is dumb, but because in order to use it properly people go through a maze of double standards and hypocrisies; one only needs to mention the AVP films to expose the twisted reality of this proclaimed truth. 

    Possibly why many people don't consider AvP canon.

    Though your accusations of hypocrisy are rather amusing...

    I don't understand what you are saying here.  Also, a little bit of professionalism goes a long way.

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    The reason people say "only movies are canon" and not "only SOME movies are canon" is because that single word "SOME" has the power to cast doubt over their entire argument; it implies that their standards of justification is faulty and that films such as fan-favorites Alien, Aliens, and Predator may be considered non-canon as well while hated films such as Alien Resurrection and Predator 2 have more firepower over the ones fans want to be on top.  In order to resolve this, fans will either have to admit that this line of reasoning is either incorrect if they want to preserve the dignity of the original films or they will have to admit that the EU may be considered canon as well.

    You know, I think you'll be a lot happier when you learn to accept what you cannot change.

    Yes that's true however I fight for what I believe in and I don't turn away just because it's easier, if it that means I have to sacrifice certain pleasures in life, like happiness, so be it.

    Rules can be chucked out the window depending on whose in charge.  The final product lives and dies on whether people accept it or not.  You cold probably count the people who cared that Prometheus ignored AvP on one hand.

    We can also count A:CM and their resurrection of Hicks (which I liked, btw), but then again we're running into that double standard where the fan base is overtly harsh on products they don't like and overtly lenient and products they do; I believe in a neutral opinion unaffected by one's feelings toward the title.
  24. SM
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    I have Fox saying it's canon (however shallow their words are) which is much more than what fans have fighting for their arguments.

    Depends on whether fans arguments can hold water where a licensee's can't.

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    Also the entire "only movies are canon" argument is possibly the worst explanation I've heard mention on this site, NOT because the idea itself is dumb, but because in order to use it properly people go through a maze of double standards and hypocrisies; one only needs to mention the AVP films to expose the twisted reality of this proclaimed truth. 

    Possibly why many people don't consider AvP canon.

    Though your accusations of hypocrisy are rather amusing...

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    The reason people say "only movies are canon" and not "only SOME movies are canon" is because that single word "SOME" has the power to cast doubt over their entire argument; it implies that their standards of justification is faulty and that films such as fan-favorites Alien, Aliens, and Predator may be considered non-canon as well while hated films such as Alien Resurrection and Predator 2 have more firepower over the ones fans want to be on top.  In order to resolve this, fans will either have to admit that this line of reasoning is either incorrect if they want to preserve the dignity of the original films or they will have to admit that the EU may be considered canon as well.

    You know, I think you'll be a lot happier when you learn to accept what you cannot change.

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    A scriptwriter can write from the heart for a future Alien film, but it DOESN'T mean he can choose to resurrect Ripley without giving a decent explanation for it (if any exists at all); there are rules and requirements that are placed implicitly on people who want to add to an already established franchise and they should be enforced to the strictest extent.

    Rules can be chucked out the window depending on whose in charge.  The final product lives and dies on whether people accept it or not.  You cold probably count the people who cared that Prometheus ignored AvP on one hand.
  25. predxeno
    You can say that, if you like.  Just don't expect everyone to buy it, because many people will think it's a stupid idea that makes no sense and lacks any substance whatsoever.

    I have Fox saying it's canon (however shallow their words are) which is much more than what fans have fighting for their arguments.  Also the entire "only movies are canon" argument is possibly the worst explanation I've heard mention on this site, NOT because the idea itself is dumb, but because in order to use it properly people go through a maze of double standards and hypocrisies; one only needs to mention the AVP films to expose the twisted reality of this proclaimed truth. 

    The reason people say "only movies are canon" and not "only SOME movies are canon" is because that single word "SOME" has the power to cast doubt over their entire argument; it implies that their standards of justification is faulty and that films such as fan-favorites Alien, Aliens, and Predator may be considered non-canon as well while hated films such as Alien Resurrection and Predator 2 have more firepower over the ones fans want to be on top.  In order to resolve this, fans will either have to admit that this line of reasoning is either incorrect if they want to preserve the dignity of the original films or they will have to admit that the EU may be considered canon as well.

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    What really gets me is how the writer for these new AVP series comics say that he's simply not going to include the AVP movies in his canon simply because the fan community says so. 

    Did he actually say that?  Even if he did, you don't know what form that'll take.  It may simply ignore the films (ie. the events don't follow Bouvet/ Gunnison and the characters aren't Lex, Dallas, pizza boy, Ripley clone and Newt clone), but not outright negate their existance.  Could be like the Sacrifice comic for example.  No direct link to any film character or event.  Not even the Company rates a mention.

    And if they do choose to negate the films - that's a commercial decision they have to live with, but one not many people will ultimately lose sleep over; the films aren't well liked.  Even by people who like them.  Might also be a licensing decision - they may not have access to the AvP film license - despite the fact it was born out of them combining the two creatures in the first place.

    Yes, he actually said that in one of the links; he mentioned that he would not reference the AVP films cause the fan community likes to think of it as in its own bubble.  It's not the action of ignoring the films themselves that I'm upset about, it's the reasoning behind them; as I said before, if the AVP movies don't fit then they don't fit.  However if they can fit and might even enhance the story, then there's no reason why they should be removed at the story's expense simply because they come from an unpopular background.

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    In the end, what I'm saying is that stories deserve to be told for what they are and shouldn't have to make adjustments to what people want, that doesn't determine a good story, it's what comes into a writer's mind in its truest form that really sells.

    Which directly flies in the face of what you've been saying about Ridley Scott and Prometheus.  If he changed his story to conform with AvP, wouldn't that be it being adjusted to what YOU - the fan, whose demands should be ignored - want?

    I'm still convinced that Ridley Scott altered the Alien Prequel idea into Prometheus because he was afraid the modern casual audience didn't care about the title anymore; it's why they rebooted Star Trek and remade so many movies, and Ridley's following the trend.  My conspiracy theories aside, however, the answer to your question is no; it's a very different thing creating your own story true to your heart and following film continuity.  A scriptwriter can write from the heart for a future Alien film, but it DOESN'T mean he can choose to resurrect Ripley without giving a decent explanation for it (if any exists at all); there are rules and requirements that are placed implicitly on people who want to add to an already established franchise and they should be enforced to the strictest extent.
  26. SM
    I'm not trying to enforce any continuity, I just want it stated that all EU is part of the official continuity; basically, I want to be able to say something like:

    In Aliens Destroying Angels, the space jockey (aka Engineer) was in a space suit that appeared to be composed of ACTUAL living flesh that had hair on it.  Juxtaposing from this, it can be assumed that even their technology may have hints of their biological DNA in them (as is hinted by the description of their tech as bio-technological); here, the suit acts not only as a suit but also as a second skin.

    Without being told that it's "not canon" because all the evidence DOES suggest it is canon and while they may have the majority vote, the people who believe otherwise are in the minority opinion (and by minority opinion, I mean that they are most likely wrong because the evidence points that way rather than because of any personal belief on the matter).

    You can say that, if you like.  Just don't expect everyone to buy it, because many people will think it's a stupid idea that makes no sense and lacks any substance whatsoever.

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    What really gets me is how the writer for these new AVP series comics say that he's simply not going to include the AVP movies in his canon simply because the fan community says so. 

    Did he actually say that?  Even if he did, you don't know what form that'll take.  It may simply ignore the films (ie. the events don't follow Bouvet/ Gunnison and the characters aren't Lex, Dallas, pizza boy, Ripley clone and Newt clone), but not outright negate their existance.  Could be like the Sacrifice comic for example.  No direct link to any film character or event.  Not even the Company rates a mention.

    And if they do choose to negate the films - that's a commercial decision they have to live with, but one not many people will ultimately lose sleep over; the films aren't well liked.  Even by people who like them.  Might also be a licensing decision - they may not have access to the AvP film license - despite the fact it was born out of them combining the two creatures in the first place.

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    In the end, what I'm saying is that stories deserve to be told for what they are and shouldn't have to make adjustments to what people want, that doesn't determine a good story, it's what comes into a writer's mind in its truest form that really sells.

    Which directly flies in the face of what you've been saying about Ridley Scott and Prometheus.  If he changed his story to conform with AvP, wouldn't that be it being adjusted to what YOU - the fan, whose demands should be ignored - want?
  27. predxeno
    Personally, I'd be happy if people accepted that people can have different views on canon; but it seems to me that people are becoming more and more convinced that the "popular" view is the right view that it's starting to have a negative effect on the series.  What really gets me is how the writer for these new AVP series comics say that he's simply not going to include the AVP movies in his canon simply because the fan community says so. 

    It shouldn't matter what the fan community wants, if there's a story to be told involving the movie angle, then it deserves to be told regardless of what the fans want.  If, however, there is simply no need to introduce the movie angle, then it's also fine; the story needs to be told the way it should be told and if the AVP films don't fit then so be it.  However the way he talks about it, it sounds like he is making deliberate steps to avoid those movies when he should just be acknowledging them like the rest of the writers are doing with their stories, he's standing alone in this regard. 

    I've seen what fan demand has done to stories, it hasn't been nice; sequels have caused blatant continuity errors to original stories in an attempt to be more true to original script material and what fans want that they alienate not only these fans (regardless of what they try to do) but fans that would have remained fans if they hadn't tried to make such radical readjustments.  In the end, what I'm saying is that stories deserve to be told for what they are and shouldn't have to make adjustments to what people want, that doesn't determine a good story, it's what comes into a writer's mind in its truest form that really sells.
  28. Xenomrph
    I understand why that can be annoying, but I'm generally willing to let the issue slide unless someone is really pushing the issue (which doesn't seem to happen often, thankfully).
  29. predxeno
    I'm not trying to enforce any continuity, I just want it stated that all EU is part of the official continuity; basically, I want to be able to say something like:

    In Aliens Destroying Angels, the space jockey (aka Engineer) was in a space suit that appeared to be composed of ACTUAL living flesh that had hair on it.  Juxtaposing from this, it can be assumed that even their technology may have hints of their biological DNA in them (as is hinted by the description of their tech as bio-technological); here, the suit acts not only as a suit but also as a second skin.

    Without being told that it's "not canon" because all the evidence DOES suggest it is canon and while they may have the majority vote, the people who believe otherwise are in the minority opinion (and by minority opinion, I mean that they are most likely wrong because the evidence points that way rather than because of any personal belief on the matter).
    I'm going to have to side with SM on this one - I don't think it matters if individual people take a given source as "canon" or not, what matters is what you think and what you enjoy. I'm not going to dictate to other people what they can and cannot enjoy, or how they can enjoy it, and I'd expect the same courtesy from others.

    I'm happy in the knowledge that FOX considers the EU canon, and likewise others are happy to disregard anything FOX says for any number of reasons. There's nothing wrong with this. :)

    I don't have a problem with what other people believe as well, I just tire when other people state their beliefs as if they were acknowledged facts when the evidence is against them.
  30. Xenomrph
    IMO the EU is a mess already.Also steve perry came out and said that comic Ripley was an android who does not know she is an android.

    So take that as you will. :laugh:

    Doesn't change the fact there's no reference to RoboRipley in the comic.
    That's an example of why I'm willing to accept multiple sources as a composite depiction of otherwise individual events. The Female War comic and novel don't contradict each other in one having RoboRipley and the other not mentioning it, the two complement each other and provide a more complete picture, and then I'd take individual aspects from both sources. I'd do the same thing when looking a movie's script, novelization, comic book adaptation, and the film itself.

    I'm not trying to enforce any continuity, I just want it stated that all EU is part of the official continuity; basically, I want to be able to say something like:

    In Aliens Destroying Angels, the space jockey (aka Engineer) was in a space suit that appeared to be composed of ACTUAL living flesh that had hair on it.  Juxtaposing from this, it can be assumed that even their technology may have hints of their biological DNA in them (as is hinted by the description of their tech as bio-technological); here, the suit acts not only as a suit but also as a second skin.

    Without being told that it's "not canon" because all the evidence DOES suggest it is canon and while they may have the majority vote, the people who believe otherwise are in the minority opinion (and by minority opinion, I mean that they are most likely wrong because the evidence points that way rather than because of any personal belief on the matter).
    I'm going to have to side with SM on this one - I don't think it matters if individual people take a given source as "canon" or not, what matters is what you think and what you enjoy. I'm not going to dictate to other people what they can and cannot enjoy, or how they can enjoy it, and I'd expect the same courtesy from others.

    I'm happy in the knowledge that FOX considers the EU canon, and likewise others are happy to disregard anything FOX says for any number of reasons. There's nothing wrong with this. :)
  31. predxeno
    I'm not trying to enforce any continuity, I just want it stated that all EU is part of the official continuity; basically, I want to be able to say something like:

    In Aliens Destroying Angels, the space jockey (aka Engineer) was in a space suit that appeared to be composed of ACTUAL living flesh that had hair on it.  Juxtaposing from this, it can be assumed that even their technology may have hints of their biological DNA in them (as is hinted by the description of their tech as bio-technological); here, the suit acts not only as a suit but also as a second skin.

    Without being told that it's "not canon" because all the evidence DOES suggest it is canon and while they may have the majority vote, the people who believe otherwise are in the minority opinion (and by minority opinion, I mean that they are most likely wrong because the evidence points that way rather than because of any personal belief on the matter).
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