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Alien: Covenant Earns Estimated $42 Million In Opening Weekend

Box Office Mojo are reporting that 20th Century Fox has reported that Alien: Covenant has taken in an estimated total of $42 million at the box office during its international opening weekend. According to Deadline, Alien: Covenant came up as the number 2 studio movie in the international box office.

“Fox has finally sent over debut international results for Alien: Covenant, which released in 34 international markets this weekend with an estimated $42 million. The film was #1 in 19 of its opening markets including South Korea ($7.2m), UK ($6.4m), France ($4.5m), Australia ($3.1m), Spain ($1.9m) and Hong Kong ($1.8m). Next weekend, along with its domestic debut in 3,600+ theaters, the film will open in 52 markets including Germany, Russia and Sweden.

Here’s a look at the top performing markets and how this opening compares to Prometheus:

  • South Korea – $7.2m (+52.58% vs. Prometheus Opening)
  • United Kingdom – $6.4m (-39.85% vs. Prometheus Opening)
  • France – $4.53m (-38.41% vs. Prometheus Opening)
  • Australia – $3.09m (-79.40% vs. Prometheus Opening)
  • Mexico – $2.46m (-24.90% vs. Prometheus Opening)
  • Spain – $1.9m (-71.63% vs. Prometheus Opening)
  • Hong Kong – $1.76m (+17.24% vs. Prometheus Opening)
  • Brazil – $1.63m (-52.47% vs. Prometheus Opening)
  • Italy – $1.29m (-66.68% vs. Prometheus Opening)”

 Alien: Covenant Earns Estimated  Million In Opening Weekend

Alien: Covenant opens on the 19th for the United States and is currently projected to take in between $37-$40 million domestically. For comparison, Prometheus took in $51 million over its domestic opening weekend but had 3D tickets to bolster its performance.

Thanks to John73 for the news. Keep a close eye on Alien vs. Predator Galaxy for the latest on Alien: Covenant! You can follow us on FacebookTwitter and Instagram to get the latest on your social media walls. You can also join in with fellow Alien fans on our forums!

Amendment – Updated to correct the predicted take as being domestic, not international.



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  1. Protozoid
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    Fox's Alien: Covenant earned another $475,000 yesterday (-59%) on just 1,814 screens for a likely $1.6m (-61%) fourth weekend and $70.7m 24-day total. It's doing okay overseas ($176m thus far) and it has China on tap for next weekend, but this is still a big disappointment for all involved. In terms of domestic tickets sold, it's the second-worst of the series behind Alien vs. Predator: Requiem.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/06/10/friday-box-office-baywatch-drops-50-alien-continues-to-crash/#63d44a671280
    The $176m figure they give for overseas is actually the world wide total, including domestic, according to Box Office Mojo. The actual overseas number as of yesterday was $107m. Domestic looks like it will top out nearly $20 million short of the production budget, which cannot be a good thing by any metric.
  2. Ingwar
    Quote
    Fox's Alien: Covenant earned another $475,000 yesterday (-59%) on just 1,814 screens for a likely $1.6m (-61%) fourth weekend and $70.7m 24-day total. It's doing okay overseas ($176m thus far) and it has China on tap for next weekend, but this is still a big disappointment for all involved. In terms of domestic tickets sold, it's the second-worst of the series behind Alien vs. Predator: Requiem.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/06/10/friday-box-office-baywatch-drops-50-alien-continues-to-crash/#63d44a671280
  3. 0321recon


    Yeah, he's lucky if he gets one more film. I think he and Fox execs will have a hard conversation about this, he'll get even less of a budget for the final one, and they will bring in a half dozen more screenwriters to retool whatever script they have right now to make it lead right into Alien. I have a sense they will actually use quite a lot of Spaihts' original Alien: Engineers script to accomplish that.

    I'd like to know the backstory. Who made the changes?

    I'm pretty certain Ridley was hogtied by the studio into grafting in the Alien bollocks. It's a typical dumbass production move. 'More Aliens!'

    Perhaps, Scott went through an Alien3 type of treatment by Fox.
  4. 900SL


    Yeah, he's lucky if he gets one more film. I think he and Fox execs will have a hard conversation about this, he'll get even less of a budget for the final one, and they will bring in a half dozen more screenwriters to retool whatever script they have right now to make it lead right into Alien. I have a sense they will actually use quite a lot of Spaihts' original Alien: Engineers script to accomplish that.

    I'd like to know the backstory. Who made the changes?

    I'm pretty certain Ridley was hogtied by the studio into grafting in the Alien bollocks. It's a typical dumbass production move. 'More Aliens!'
  5. shawsbaby
    Yeah, Ridley just do one more and be done. I don't think we need more than 3 prequel films. His idea of having like 4 to 6 is kind of ridiculous in my opinion. Ridley really needs to start thinking about who will helm these films after him. One big thing he needs to understand is that it's not "His" franchise. You could basically say that for James Cameron, David Fincher, hell even Jean-Pierre Jeunet.

    Anyone else ready for a new director/fresh vision after Ridley's 3rd film??

    Yeah, he's lucky if he gets one more film. I think he and Fox execs will have a hard conversation about this, he'll get even less of a budget for the final one, and they will bring in a half dozen more screenwriters to retool whatever script they have right now to make it lead right into Alien. I have a sense they will actually use quite a lot of Spaihts' original Alien: Engineers script to accomplish that.
  6. Chronicle
    Yeah, Ridley just do one more and be done. I don't think we need more than 3 prequel films. His idea of having like 4 to 6 is kind of ridiculous in my opinion. Ridley really needs to start thinking about who will helm these films after him. One big thing he needs to understand is that it's not "His" franchise. You could basically say that for James Cameron, David Fincher, hell even Jean-Pierre Jeunet.

    Anyone else ready for a new director/fresh vision after Ridley's 3rd film??
  7. cucuchu
    http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/alien/49933/alien-covenant-where-its-box-office-leaves-the-series

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    If Fox plump for the latter option, then they still have another option open to them: the long-mooted Alien 5, or at least a movie that continues the Alien narrative from Alien: Resurrection onwards rather than prior to the events of the 1979 original. Ridley Scott may be reluctant to let other directors play around with the series he brought about with Alien, but with the film industry being as reliant on financial success as it is, the veteran filmmaker could yet find himself pushed aside.

    Even accepting the reality that Alien: Covenant hasn't soared at the box office, the franchise as a whole still has a valuable market surrounding it - books, videogames, comics and other merchandise. We'd be surprised if Fox didn't want to keep the film series going in some form, though the results of the past few weeks may leave the studio wondering whether the franchise needs a new direction, a fresh pair of eyes - and maybe a splash of new blood.

    Pretty much agree with their assessment. If you base the future of the franchise solely on the box office performance of Covenant, things seem quite grim. But the value of the IP is what gives me hope that Fox will still put some proper investment into the franchise and continue one way or another with more films. There are over 10 relatively new directors that I can name right off that I think could bring something exciting to the franchise.

    For right now though the big questions are: Will Ridley Scott get to finish his prequel series with one more film and how soon? If the answer to that question is yes, then it seems likely that it would need to be happen sooner rather than later due to his age. If they stick to his plan of shooting next year then we should be hearing confirmation of the movie being given the go-ahead from the studio later this year.
  8. Corporal Hicks
    http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/alien/49933/alien-covenant-where-its-box-office-leaves-the-series

    Quote
    If Fox plump for the latter option, then they still have another option open to them: the long-mooted Alien 5, or at least a movie that continues the Alien narrative from Alien: Resurrection onwards rather than prior to the events of the 1979 original. Ridley Scott may be reluctant to let other directors play around with the series he brought about with Alien, but with the film industry being as reliant on financial success as it is, the veteran filmmaker could yet find himself pushed aside.

    Even accepting the reality that Alien: Covenant hasn't soared at the box office, the franchise as a whole still has a valuable market surrounding it - books, videogames, comics and other merchandise. We'd be surprised if Fox didn't want to keep the film series going in some form, though the results of the past few weeks may leave the studio wondering whether the franchise needs a new direction, a fresh pair of eyes - and maybe a splash of new blood.
  9. Kane's other son
    “This movie [Prometheus] has two children: One of these children grows up to be Alien, but the other child is going to grow up, and God knows what happens to them. And that’s what the sequel to Prometheus would be.”

    If only they stuck to that plan...
  10. Ingwar
    According to boxofficemojo.com Covenant did very well in Asia as for R-rated movie.

    Hong Kong: 3,360,017   
    Indonesia: 1,865,891
    Malaysia: 1,596,825   
    Singapore: 1,008,013
    South Korea: 9,571,227
    Taiwan: 2,317,536
    Thailand: 1,101,257

    But looking at Europe's biggest markets with comparison to Prometheus it's total disaster:

    France: 8,683,517 / Prometheus 15,842,943
    Germany: 4,652,610 / Prometheus 14,049,633
    Spain: 3,865,007 / Prometheus 13,144,422
    UK: 15,881,032 / Prometheus 39,899,425   
  11. shawsbaby
    Give it time. In a few years, someone will reboot the series and find a way to close this story and bridge to the first (or perhaps will just make a sequel film that ignores the prequel arc entirely). I can't see Fox giving Ridley cart blanche to finish what he started since this isn't doing big business and I anticipate a different filmmaker picking up the gauntlet down the road. Unless, of course, it really rakes it in from sales and rentals and they let Ridley go one more round-- but that seems unlikely right?
  12. PierreVW

    http://www.indiewire.com/2017/06/alien-covenant-box-office-flop-series-1201837669/

    “Alien: Covenant” will be one of the franchise’s lowest-grossing entries, second only to 2007’s “Aliens Vs. Predator – Requiem,” which made $52 million domestic in adjusted numbers. Three weeks in, “Alien: Covenant” is at $67 million domestic against a $97 million budget; after Japan and China open, expect it to hit about $300 million worldwide, which means theatrical won’t be enough for it to break even.

    There is no way in hell Covenant is gonna pull $125m from Japan and China.  I'd be absolutely shocked if it hit $100m.  I suspect $50-75m to be a realistic number bringing the total worldwide to 250m.

    So if there is another one, expect a huge budget cut.  One so big I've begun to joke that they might not be able to afford Fassbender.  Think typical "R" rated sort of budgets.  50-55m.  With that kinda cut don't expect Ridley in the directors chair either (he will continue to produce i suspect).




    http://www.indiewire.com/2017/06/alien-covenant-box-office-flop-series-1201837669/

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    “Alien: Covenant” will be one of the franchise’s lowest-grossing entries, second only to 2007’s “Aliens Vs. Predator – Requiem,” which made $52 million domestic in adjusted numbers. Three weeks in, “Alien: Covenant” is at $67 million domestic against a $97 million budget; after Japan and China open, expect it to hit about $300 million worldwide, which means theatrical won’t be enough for it to break even.

    I disagree with the indiewire article summary.
    - "Covenant" will not reach $300 million worldwide.
    - If it did, it would do better than break even because that is more than 3 times its production budget.
    - As for the other franchise movies, it's not about total box office but box office compared with the budget; besides the clear failure of AVP 2/R; "AVP" and "Ressurection" BO also didn't make 3 X their production budgets.

    "Alien 3" barely did better than 3 X its production budget and Fox kept the franchise going with one mediocre performing film after another.
    The only clear BO hit since "Alien 3" has been "Prometheus".

    ;)

    It's impossible to tell but a film doesn't need to triple its production budget to make a profit. So, on that metric, the article is not proven.

    Let's look at some examples:

    Elysium
    Worldwide gross: 286 million (boxofficemojo.com)
    Reported production budget: 115 million (boxofficemojo.com)
    Profit: 18 million (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sony-hack-reveals-top-secret-754491)

    According to the IndieWire article, Elysium would've needed 345 million in worldwide gross to make profit. But, it made profit with slightly more than double its production budget

    Monuments Men
    Worldwide gross: 155 million (boxofficemojo.com)
    Reported production budget: 70 million (boxofficemojo.com)
    Profit: 10 million (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sony-hack-reveals-top-secret-754491)

    This film made about double its production budget and still made profit.

    It really does differ from situation to situation. However, if a film needed triple its production budget, it would mean that barely any of the Alien films after the third one made any profit. Do you really think Fox would've made five more Alien films if that were the case?



    Associated costs going up (think about the additional need for advertising alone, more TV channels, the internet and social media, high prices for big spot commercials, etc) since Alien 3.  Theatres recently have demanded more take of the box office since either of those movie were release because they discovered they have the leveraging power that without theatres there would be no place to show the films themselves (there was a lot of nasty in-fighting between studios and theatre chains in the 00's.  Attack of the Clones is a f**king great example as Lucas took 100% of the first week sales.  That will never happen again.)

    Prometheus made money.  How much it made is up for debate but at the end of the day it made something.  This film got funded off that films success.  If there is a next film the budget will be based on this films failure to connect with an audience or they will head in a massively different direction (PG-13).

    It's speculation.

    I never said it's information.
  13. PierreVW
    Profit or no, this movie is is still the second lowest grosser in the franchise, right above the most despised sequel perhaps on genre history (AvP:R), but cost twice as much to produce and market. I don't see Covenant being considered a flop, but there is no way this can be spun as an acceptable gross. For a franchise with 1-6 sequels planned, this was disastrous.  As an experiment in trying to be more commercial, it also failed. The Alien brand has declined with every film. Only Prometheus reversed that trend. All across the board, Prometheus did better, sometimes massively so. Profit or no, this movie still underperformed all the way up to the limit of how badly it could have failed before being considered a flop. Ridley's biggest flop will always be 1492: Conquest of Paradise. But Covenant might be Scott's biggest disappointment. They were clearly hoping for a sizeable profit and sequels in order to conclude their story. I doubt Fox will have any profit from this movie in their hands by the time Scott was hoping to film Covenant 2. The best we can hope for is a cheap Ridley Scott sequel to finish the trilogy, but even that might be too much to hope for. I think any future Alien movies will be pure genre product, focusing on lots of action and horror and spending less on talent.

    The real question is, once these current heads of Fox are excused, will we get a proper Prometheus 2? I think they need to distance to themselves from the Alien brand and give us Visionary Ridley, not Hired Gun Ridley. Show us a visionary sequel and all is forgiven. If The Martian proved anything, it's that a sufficiently engaging human story does not require action scenes and gore. Audiences would have seen Paradise without the recasting and revamping and reintroduction of the beast. Your story has to be everything. Covenant dropped the ball on story in a gigantic way, and it introduced a new lead who really contributed nothing to the story besides being a Ripley stand in. The third and final movie should contain all of the story left to tell - no more withholding for sequels! Give us two hours of compelling story and keep the money you would have spent on action and movie stars. Sci-fi fans are sustained by visionary images and a story that takes us to uncharted territory with mindbending obstacles, but you have to care about your characters. Killing Shaw and sidelining the new female lead shows contempt for character. Action is something you include of you have an addition to it (Cameron, Bay, Blomkamp) off studio requires it. Let Ridley off that chain. He can command audience attention with pure vision. But they also have to stop frakking up any potential to develop strong human characters. Covenant was a disaster as a story and was almost a disaster commercially. The next movie needs to have an abundance of artistic integrity and no more Alien tropes.

    Adapt and evolve or perish.

    I agree 100%.

    BUT that sounds like a DREAM.

    The realistic future sounds VERY BAD:

    1.- Sir Ridley Scott left the Directors chair by his own decision.

    2.- A CHEAPER Director(His Son Luke Scott).

    3.- Maybe Michael Fassbender DOESN'T return.

    4.- SMALL Budget like 50-55 Millions.
  14. BishopShouldGo
    Yeah, I love Alien, Aliens and Prometheus in equal measure, the but alien tropes were used to cynical effect in Covenant. They were treated lovingly, sparingly(thus more powerfully), and in a novel way in Prometheus.

    I say bring back Lindelof, bring in another big star alongside Fassbender, and wrap it up. No more cute ambiguity.

    Was it just me or was the story in Covenant... yikes, um, NON-EXISTENT. They land the ship, get off the ship, die, David delivers exposition we should have been treated to visually not through dialogue, they get back on the ship, die, THE END.

    If Shaw was played by THERON like originally intended I don't think we'd be in as big a mess. She was still a big star pre-Covenant, while Rapace didn't gain in popularity, but Fassbender did. That's why they didn't care about chucking her, in addition to not being able to figure a story out for her. They would've fit her in as the lead someway had it been Theron.
  15. Protozoid
    Profit or no, this movie is is still the second lowest grosser in the franchise, right above the most despised sequel perhaps on genre history (AvP:R), but cost twice as much to produce and market. I don't see Covenant being considered a flop, but there is no way this can be spun as an acceptable gross. For a franchise with 1-6 sequels planned, this was disastrous.  As an experiment in trying to be more commercial, it also failed. The Alien brand has declined with every film. Only Prometheus reversed that trend. All across the board, Prometheus did better, sometimes massively so. Profit or no, this movie still underperformed all the way up to the limit of how badly it could have failed before being considered a flop. Ridley's biggest flop will always be 1492: Conquest of Paradise. But Covenant might be Scott's biggest disappointment. They were clearly hoping for a sizeable profit and sequels in order to conclude their story. I doubt Fox will have any profit from this movie in their hands by the time Scott was hoping to film Covenant 2. The best we can hope for is a cheap Ridley Scott sequel to finish the trilogy, but even that might be too much to hope for. I think any future Alien movies will be pure genre product, focusing on lots of action and horror and spending less on talent.

    The real question is, once these current heads of Fox are excused, will we get a proper Prometheus 2? I think they need to distance to themselves from the Alien brand and give us Visionary Ridley, not Hired Gun Ridley. Show us a visionary sequel and all is forgiven. If The Martian proved anything, it's that a sufficiently engaging human story does not require action scenes and gore. Audiences would have seen Paradise without the recasting and revamping and reintroduction of the beast. Your story has to be everything. Covenant dropped the ball on story in a gigantic way, and it introduced a new lead who really contributed nothing to the story besides being a Ripley stand in. The third and final movie should contain all of the story left to tell - no more withholding for sequels! Give us two hours of compelling story and keep the money you would have spent on action and movie stars. Sci-fi fans are sustained by visionary images and a story that takes us to uncharted territory with mindbending obstacles, but you have to care about your characters. Killing Shaw and sidelining the new female lead shows contempt for character. Action is something you include of you have an addition to it (Cameron, Bay, Blomkamp) off studio requires it. Let Ridley off that chain. He can command audience attention with pure vision. But they also have to stop frakking up any potential to develop strong human characters. Covenant was a disaster as a story and was almost a disaster commercially. The next movie needs to have an abundance of artistic integrity and no more Alien tropes.

    Adapt and evolve or perish.
  16. fiveways

    http://www.indiewire.com/2017/06/alien-covenant-box-office-flop-series-1201837669/

    “Alien: Covenant” will be one of the franchise’s lowest-grossing entries, second only to 2007’s “Aliens Vs. Predator – Requiem,” which made $52 million domestic in adjusted numbers. Three weeks in, “Alien: Covenant” is at $67 million domestic against a $97 million budget; after Japan and China open, expect it to hit about $300 million worldwide, which means theatrical won’t be enough for it to break even.

    There is no way in hell Covenant is gonna pull $125m from Japan and China.  I'd be absolutely shocked if it hit $100m.  I suspect $50-75m to be a realistic number bringing the total worldwide to 250m.

    So if there is another one, expect a huge budget cut.  One so big I've begun to joke that they might not be able to afford Fassbender.  Think typical "R" rated sort of budgets.  50-55m.  With that kinda cut don't expect Ridley in the directors chair either (he will continue to produce i suspect).




    http://www.indiewire.com/2017/06/alien-covenant-box-office-flop-series-1201837669/

    Quote
    “Alien: Covenant” will be one of the franchise’s lowest-grossing entries, second only to 2007’s “Aliens Vs. Predator – Requiem,” which made $52 million domestic in adjusted numbers. Three weeks in, “Alien: Covenant” is at $67 million domestic against a $97 million budget; after Japan and China open, expect it to hit about $300 million worldwide, which means theatrical won’t be enough for it to break even.

    I disagree with the indiewire article summary.
    - "Covenant" will not reach $300 million worldwide.
    - If it did, it would do better than break even because that is more than 3 times its production budget.
    - As for the other franchise movies, it's not about total box office but box office compared with the budget; besides the clear failure of AVP 2/R; "AVP" and "Ressurection" BO also didn't make 3 X their production budgets.

    "Alien 3" barely did better than 3 X its production budget and Fox kept the franchise going with one mediocre performing film after another.
    The only clear BO hit since "Alien 3" has been "Prometheus".

    ;)

    It's impossible to tell but a film doesn't need to triple its production budget to make a profit. So, on that metric, the article is not proven.

    Let's look at some examples:

    Elysium
    Worldwide gross: 286 million (boxofficemojo.com)
    Reported production budget: 115 million (boxofficemojo.com)
    Profit: 18 million (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sony-hack-reveals-top-secret-754491)

    According to the IndieWire article, Elysium would've needed 345 million in worldwide gross to make profit. But, it made profit with slightly more than double its production budget

    Monuments Men
    Worldwide gross: 155 million (boxofficemojo.com)
    Reported production budget: 70 million (boxofficemojo.com)
    Profit: 10 million (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sony-hack-reveals-top-secret-754491)

    This film made about double its production budget and still made profit.

    It really does differ from situation to situation. However, if a film needed triple its production budget, it would mean that barely any of the Alien films after the third one made any profit. Do you really think Fox would've made five more Alien films if that were the case?



    Associated costs going up (think about the additional need for advertising alone, more TV channels, the internet and social media, high prices for big spot commercials, etc) since Alien 3.  Theatres recently have demanded more take of the box office since either of those movie were release because they discovered they have the leveraging power that without theatres there would be no place to show the films themselves (there was a lot of nasty in-fighting between studios and theatre chains in the 00's.  Attack of the Clones is a f**king great example as Lucas took 100% of the first week sales.  That will never happen again.)

    Prometheus made money.  How much it made is up for debate but at the end of the day it made something.  This film got funded off that films success.  If there is a next film the budget will be based on this films failure to connect with an audience or they will head in a massively different direction (PG-13).
  17. 900SL
    AC had a massive PR budget. It was wall to wall, TV shows, internet, mainstream media. Domestic TV ads alone were in the region of $25M. I think they knew they had a problem, and tried to hype their way out of a hole.

    If you work on a cost of 150M including PR and overheads, you need more than 300M to break even, even working on 50% return across the board. . We've been through the revenue breakdown before..

    Why do you keep trying to spin this one way?
  18. Prof. a

    http://www.indiewire.com/2017/06/alien-covenant-box-office-flop-series-1201837669/

    Quote
    “Alien: Covenant” will be one of the franchise’s lowest-grossing entries, second only to 2007’s “Aliens Vs. Predator – Requiem,” which made $52 million domestic in adjusted numbers. Three weeks in, “Alien: Covenant” is at $67 million domestic against a $97 million budget; after Japan and China open, expect it to hit about $300 million worldwide, which means theatrical won’t be enough for it to break even.

    I disagree with the indiewire article summary.
    - "Covenant" will not reach $300 million worldwide.
    - If it did, it would do better than break even because that is more than 3 times its production budget.
    - As for the other franchise movies, it's not about total box office but box office compared with the budget; besides the clear failure of AVP 2/R; "AVP" and "Ressurection" BO also didn't make 3 X their production budgets.

    "Alien 3" barely did better than 3 X its production budget and Fox kept the franchise going with one mediocre performing film after another.
    The only clear BO hit since "Alien 3" has been "Prometheus".

    ;)

    It's impossible to tell but a film doesn't need to triple its production budget to make a profit. So, on that metric, the article is not proven.

    Let's look at some examples:

    Elysium
    Worldwide gross: 286 million (boxofficemojo.com)
    Reported production budget: 115 million (boxofficemojo.com)
    Profit: 18 million (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sony-hack-reveals-top-secret-754491)

    According to the IndieWire article, Elysium would've needed 345 million in worldwide gross to make profit. But, it made profit with slightly more than double its production budget

    Monuments Men
    Worldwide gross: 155 million (boxofficemojo.com)
    Reported production budget: 70 million (boxofficemojo.com)
    Profit: 10 million (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sony-hack-reveals-top-secret-754491)

    This film made about double its production budget and still made profit.

    It really does differ from situation to situation. However, if a film needed triple its production budget, it would mean that barely any of the Alien films after the third one made any profit. Do you really think Fox would've made five more Alien films if that were the case?

  19. BishopShouldGo
    It was well on its way to a tentpole franchise post-Aliens. Remember that the first two movies were in the top 10 grossing films of their years.

    The problem is the budgets are big but the scripts are absolutely terrible! Heck, even when the budget is low(AvPR) the script is terrible! They keep treating it as tentpole because honestly, it has the potential. I can't blame them.
  20. Robopadna

    http://www.indiewire.com/2017/06/alien-covenant-box-office-flop-series-1201837669/

    Quote
    “Alien: Covenant” will be one of the franchise’s lowest-grossing entries, second only to 2007’s “Aliens Vs. Predator – Requiem,” which made $52 million domestic in adjusted numbers. Three weeks in, “Alien: Covenant” is at $67 million domestic against a $97 million budget; after Japan and China open, expect it to hit about $300 million worldwide, which means theatrical won’t be enough for it to break even.

    I disagree with the indiewire article summary.
    - "Covenant" will not reach $300 million worldwide.
    - If it did, it would do better than break even because that is more than 3 times its production budget.

    Not sure what you are disagreeing with.  They think it WILL reach 300 WW.

    They acknowledge that 300 is not enough (it isn't by a long shot).

    Quote
    - As for the other franchise movies, it's not about total box office but box office compared with the budget; besides the clear failure of AVP 2/R; "AVP" and "Ressurection" BO also didn't make 3 X their production budgets.

    Deals with theaters were different back then regarding percentage splits.  Still AR was a box office failure.  Back then the cost of making the prints alone had to have been close to 4-5 million extra dollars.

    Quote
    "Alien 3" barely did better than 3 X its production budget and Fox kept the franchise going with one mediocre performing film after another.
    The only clear BO hit since "Alien 3" has been "Prometheus".

    Fox keeps trying to value the property as a tentpole franchise instead of treating it like a niche film enjoyed considerably by a certain group. 
  21. Salt The Fries

    http://www.indiewire.com/2017/06/alien-covenant-box-office-flop-series-1201837669/

    Quote
    “Alien: Covenant” will be one of the franchise’s lowest-grossing entries, second only to 2007’s “Aliens Vs. Predator – Requiem,” which made $52 million domestic in adjusted numbers. Three weeks in, “Alien: Covenant” is at $67 million domestic against a $97 million budget; after Japan and China open, expect it to hit about $300 million worldwide, which means theatrical won’t be enough for it to break even.

    I disagree with the indiewire article summary.
    - "Covenant" will not reach $300 million worldwide.
    - If it did, it would do better than break even because that is more than 3 times its production budget.
    - As for the other franchise movies, it's not about total box office but box office compared with the budget; besides the clear failure of AVP 2/R; "AVP" and "Ressurection" BO also didn't make 3 X their production budgets.

    "Alien 3" barely did better than 3 X its production budget and Fox kept the franchise going with one mediocre performing film after another.
    The only clear BO hit since "Alien 3" has been "Prometheus".

    ;)

    And for a long time Prometheus wasn't considered such a hit...which by the way had always puzzled me.
  22. bb-15

    http://www.indiewire.com/2017/06/alien-covenant-box-office-flop-series-1201837669/

    Quote
    “Alien: Covenant” will be one of the franchise’s lowest-grossing entries, second only to 2007’s “Aliens Vs. Predator – Requiem,” which made $52 million domestic in adjusted numbers. Three weeks in, “Alien: Covenant” is at $67 million domestic against a $97 million budget; after Japan and China open, expect it to hit about $300 million worldwide, which means theatrical won’t be enough for it to break even.

    I disagree with the indiewire article summary.
    - "Covenant" will not reach $300 million worldwide.
    - If it did, it would do better than break even because that is more than 3 times its production budget.
    - As for the other franchise movies, it's not about total box office but box office compared with the budget; besides the clear failure of AVP 2/R; "AVP" and "Ressurection" BO also didn't make 3 X their production budgets.

    "Alien 3" barely did better than 3 X its production budget and Fox kept the franchise going with one mediocre performing film after another.
    The only clear BO hit since "Alien 3" has been "Prometheus".

    ;)
  23. Corporal Hicks

    True. No Alien in Chinese cut.

    Is that a joke?

    Doesn't seem so. http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=57857.0

    http://www.indiewire.com/2017/06/alien-covenant-box-office-flop-series-1201837669/

    Quote
    “Alien: Covenant” will be one of the franchise’s lowest-grossing entries, second only to 2007’s “Aliens Vs. Predator – Requiem,” which made $52 million domestic in adjusted numbers. Three weeks in, “Alien: Covenant” is at $67 million domestic against a $97 million budget; after Japan and China open, expect it to hit about $300 million worldwide, which means theatrical won’t be enough for it to break even.

    Quote
    While Disney/Marvel’s “Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2” is up over its first entry, that’s the exception. Most long-term franchises have shown dropoffs. “Alien: Covenant” is the 12th big studio franchise sequel since Christmas, and preview-watching moviegoers are well aware how many still await them in coming weeks.

    “Alien: Covenant” came soon after the two biggest franchises so far in 2017, “The Fate of the Furious” and “Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2,” and right before the latest “Pirates” incarnation. That may have made it more vulnerable to customers deciding it was less essential than the ones preceding it.
  24. TeamXeno
    Robopanda ah yes I forgot the cut that theatres take. As for licensing 50 mil is probably more of year long estimate. The only actual figure I've found on licensing is Star Wars made $700,000,000 in fiscal year 2015 off of merchandising royalties.
  25. Robopadna
    Just crunching numbers
    Box office worlwide: $174,080,096
    Production budget: $97,000,000

    So production is in the green by: $77,080,096

    However marketing costs are probably about: $100,000,000

    Which leaves us at: -$22,919,904

    BUT Licensing royalties for merchandise (toys, comics, books, clothes, etc) probably accounts for: $50,000,000

    Which would give us a profit of: $27,080,096

    (By the way these numbers are rough estimates based around articles on movie marketing and merchandising royalties.)

    I'm no expert in the licensing and merch category but I have to believe Licensing and merch are no where near 50 million.  If you have some links to even rough estimates I'd love to read them.  Regardless of what they actually are I believe you are estimating alien merch and licensing as a total franchise, not individual covenant licensing and merch. That isn't counted because covenant isn't bringing it in.

    It's sort of auxiliary Money streams that do benefit from having the alien name out in the theatre but aren't directly tied to covenant.

    Also your numbers are wrong. The studio does not get that revenue from the box office.

    So far they have gotten roughly

    33 domestic
    41 international

    74 total against a rough 150-200 million dollar expenditure.
  26. TeamXeno
    Just crunching numbers
    Box office worlwide: $174,080,096
    Production budget: $97,000,000

    So production is in the green by: $77,080,096

    However marketing costs are probably about: $100,000,000

    Which leaves us at: -$22,919,904

    BUT Licensing royalties for merchandise (toys, comics, books, clothes, etc) probably accounts for: $50,000,000

    Which would give us a profit of: $27,080,096

    (By the way these numbers are rough estimates based around articles on movie marketing and merchandising royalties.)


  27. Seed-and-Weed
    The current numbers are a week behind internationally, so it'll be interesting to see much some of the larger markets bring in (UK, Australia, South Korea, Germany, Russia).  Based on the drops from previous weeks, I can't imagine it'll make a great deal more.

    China will make a bit, and Japan doesn't get a release till September.

    I think it'll get past $200m, which will see it into the top 20 for the year, but there's probably about a dozen other films yet to be released that will wind up ahead of it.

    Watching it last night I was struck by the fact that back when Alien and Aliens came out, there were a bunch of movies that mimicked them.  How many space horror movies are there now?  We had Life a few months back that didn't really do much.  Before that?  Apollo 18?  And both those films are tied to present day(ish) NASA stuff and not futuristic.  Maybe there's just not an appetite for this anymore to a mass audience.

    Another thing I noticed in the trailers for Annabelle Creation and IT was this jump/cut frame sped up screaming in your face kind of scares.  And they're both in mundane settings.


    Well, jump scares always work. Everyone know it's coming, but it's simply reflexive. Some emotional responses are just easier to provoke than others.
  28. XenoVC

    Ridley Scott went full Lucas on us.


    Really? That unfounded bullshit again?

    Isn't that the Youtube level? Can't we expect more inspired critique here?

    There are elements of truth in it as he made the universe feel really small.  David creating the Xeno (currently according to ridley he is the creator and I accept this might change) is the Alien equal of Anakin creating C-3PO as a child.  Making a sci-fi franchise smaller is never a good thing.

    C-3PO isn't the focus of the Star Wars films. They aren't dealing with him, or other Protocol droids as an antagonist.

    If the Covenant has a bunch of Cats in stasis, and one of them is Jonesy's mom, then you'd have something there.

    Maybe Blu Ray sales will pick up slack.

    They gave Requiem a major lift basically just a few short years before ITunes and Amazon took way off.
  29. Alionic

    Ridley Scott went full Lucas on us.


    Really? That unfounded bullshit again?

    Isn't that the Youtube level? Can't we expect more inspired critique here?

    There are elements of truth in it as he made the universe feel really small.  David creating the Xeno (currently according to ridley he is the creator and I accept this might change) is the Alien equal of Anakin creating C-3PO as a child.  Making a sci-fi franchise smaller is never a good thing.

    Lucas and Scott are two completely different types of filmmakers, and just arbitrarily putting both in the same league is simply disingenuous. Covenant is shot, filmed, designed, and told in a completely different way than the Star Wars prequels, so please stop unless you acknowledge that you're a troll.
  30. lv_226
    I think Daniels haircut negatively affected ticket sales.
    What am I reading?

    You do open up this discussion, potentially, to something that I see plagues the Alien series as a whole—the need for Ripley clones. This may contribute to people looking at Waterston and saying: "Oh no, not another "strong-resilient-woman-Ripley" archetype/character (which would be nullified given the success of Wonder Woman). However, for the purposes of this series it has becomes such a self-referential trope that I personally was glad to see the emphasis shift on David/Walter for the majority of Covenant' run-time.If anything challenges this series, it is the presence of self-referential tropes. I also think, and this may be a wider criticism needing its own thread,  but I don't believe the fans truly want something new/don't know what they want. NickisSmart, I believe, has provided some sound argumentation for this, and I believe that it is our own expectations, at the end of the day, that defeat the franchise.

    If the formula worked, the series wouldn't have gotten stale. But, because Scott and Co. came and attempted to reinvigorate the series (by expanding the scope with Prometheus and changing the focus from human to non-human characters as principal protagonists), he took a creative risk that paid off for some and not for others. 

    I, for one, am thankful that the series wasn't relegated to pure isolationist environments—this had been done to death. I really enjoyed some of the exterior shots of the Alien in Covenant, namely the shot of it rising in front of the Cathedral. That proves the beast is not cooked, but can still be used in new ways. Sorry, I started rambling here.

    That was said partly in jest, however there is some truth to it. It's not that people would see the poster and say to themselves, "I'm not seeing a movie with that ugly haircut!" but a contributing factor to what draws (or doesn't) audiences to gravitate towards seeing a film.

    I think I see what you are getting at. I would use Wonder Woman as an example here: if she were unattractive—I think it is safe to assume that Gal Gadot is an attractive woman for a good amount of average moviegoers—I doubt she would have even been cast. Similarily, part of what I enjoyed about Noomi Rapace was that she doesn not look like any of the actresses in her current generation. She is very unique, has something of a Gothic sensibility to her, a foreign mystique if you will, and having seen her in Dragon Tattoo... I can see why Ridley wanted to include her in Prometheus. A very weird anecdote was when I had seen the first Dragon Tattoo film before Prometheus had ever been announced I wondered, "Man, I would really like to see this chick in an Alien film".
  31. Predaker
    I think Daniels haircut negatively affected ticket sales.
    What am I reading?

    You do open up this discussion, potentially, to something that I see plagues the Alien series as a whole—the need for Ripley clones. This may contribute to people looking at Waterston and saying: "Oh no, not another "strong-resilient-woman-Ripley" archetype/character (which would be nullified given the success of Wonder Woman). However, for the purposes of this series it has becomes such a self-referential trope that I personally was glad to see the emphasis shift on David/Walter for the majority of Covenant' run-time.If anything challenges this series, it is the presence of self-referential tropes. I also think, and this may be a wider criticism needing its own thread,  but I don't believe the fans truly want something new/don't know what they want. NickisSmart, I believe, has provided some sound argumentation for this, and I believe that it is our own expectations, at the end of the day, that defeat the franchise.

    If the formula worked, the series wouldn't have gotten stale. But, because Scott and Co. came and attempted to reinvigorate the series (by expanding the scope with Prometheus and changing the focus from human to non-human characters as principal protagonists), he took a creative risk that paid off for some and not for others. 

    I, for one, am thankful that the series wasn't relegated to pure isolationist environments—this had been done to death. I really enjoyed some of the exterior shots of the Alien in Covenant, namely the shot of it rising in front of the Cathedral. That proves the beast is not cooked, but can still be used in new ways. Sorry, I started rambling here.

    That was said partly in jest, however there is some truth to it. It's not that people would see the poster and say to themselves, "I'm not seeing a movie with that ugly haircut!" but a contributing factor to what draws (or doesn't) audiences to gravitate towards seeing a film.
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