After the recent interview with Sky Movies, Neill Blomkamp spoke to the Guardian paper in the United Kingdom, Blomkamp reported stated that the new Alien film would not see Ripley 8 return:
“Blomkamp also told The Guardian that he would “categorically” rule out any return for the cloned version of Ripley, further hinting that the new film will ignore later Alien instalments.”
So it’s looking quite likely now that the new Alien film will indeed retcon Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection out of the current “canon”.
I probably should've held onto my old DH/Earth War trades from before they retconned all the f**king character names. Wilkes and Billie my ass!
That's what she said.
(someone had to do it)
Xhan was referring to the more recent novels of the DH Press/Titan era, which don't contradict each other like that (and don't even contradict the Bantam novels, and in fact directly reference them). Or at least, the person he was quoting was referring to them.
So the whole "contradicted every few years" idea hasn't even been remotely true for almost the past 20 years.
A:I's success is deserved, and valid criticism is equally deserved. Insertion begets criticism.
Until it turns out Blomkamp is actually ignoring A3 and Resurrection to have Hicks still be alive, no.
Ripley takes Burke's statements at face value, and we learn everything Burke says is full of shit and meant to steer Ripley into helping him get an Alien. That means it's hardly out of character for anything Burke says about Amanda to be totally full of shit. As for Ripley, either she takes what he says at face value and doesn't look into Amanda's history, which leaves the door wide open for A:I to take place, or she does look into it and finds who-knows-what, which also leaves the door wide open for A:I to take place. Whether the "official records" of Amanda's life were doctored, or incomplete, literally wrong due to a clerical error, or actually 100% correct, A:I's whopper of a cliffhanger ending leaves the door wide open for a huge number of potential explanations for what is otherwise an amazingly tiny continuity speedbump in the grand scheme of things.
Brah, relax. You're overlooking some things. Some many things.
Cameron wouldn't have wasted film on it otherwise.
A novel? You mean the same article of faith that are routinely contradicted by other novels and media every couple of years?
What an absolutely definitive source you discovered.
(Actually you just made my earlier point for me)
1. Burke had plenty of reason to lie, especially if he uncovered something about the events of A:I. If someone else in the company was able to connect the dots with the loss of the Nostromo and the space station years later, then of course he is going to drum up something. It's his character. He's blind with greed and ambition.
2. The writers gave an explanation for Amanda's inclusion. She was looking for information about her mother. That's all the reason that is needed. As for no one looking into Amanda's reports, we don't have any evidence that is clear cut at this point that she survives to do that. Again, Burke isn't trustworthy.
3. If only a few corporate people were involved, maybe they thought it more prudent to just cover the Nostromo incident up rather than get exposed to lawsuits, fines and imprisonment.
4. It can't shit all over Ripley's character. Ellen is incredibly smart, but not all knowing for starters(egg on Sulaco, xeno in the Narcissus). Not checking into a very likely story that her daughter was dead 57 years later hardly sticks out as a bad characterization. If anything, blame Cameron for not showing that. It's just not a hard thing to believe someone died in their 60s. Isn't it only around 30 days before she's back on LV-426? Maybe it was something she was trying to look into. Bureaucracy and all that. On top of that, Van Leuwen admits there is a colony on LV-426. The fact that aliens aren't running amok on Earth or in the news and she knows a colony is there, probably made her realize that W/Y wasn't on to anything at that point, or that the creeps involved are long dead. Never mind that she is an emotional and mental train wreck at this point.
5. A recent novel contradicts the notion that W/Y doesn't know something is on LV-426.
I think he refers to Ripley's characterization as in she didn't check out Burke's information on Amanda for herself or search for any mention of aliens.
I just don't see how anyone can take a hardline stance that A:I screws up continuity. I'm open to evidence to the contrary. Good night
I wasn't aware A:I had any bearing on Ripley's characterization seeing as how she's not in it and doesn't contribute to the plot or characters in any meaningful way (unless you want to count her "farewell" message to her daughter I guess?).
I think you may be thinking in absolutes. Many people would do exactly that, but not all.
No, they can't; unless you're the kind of mouthbreather par excellence that thinks Big Show really does hate Dolph Ziggler for taking his lunchmoney because it's all so, so very real. A:I shits all over Ripley's characterization and you can't say otherwise unless you're an apologist. Ripley was always ahead of the curve and that's why she and anyone else survived Acheron in the first place.
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Strongly disagree that the prequel is a remake of the Carpenter movie. Pretty much every place it could be different, it was different.
Very gory and b-movie like in a scary and perfectly disturbing kind of way and the The Thing From Another World (1951) I've always been a sucker for and is quite different from Carpenter's interpretation. They're on par for me. The difference here is that The Thing is based on a novel which makes the whole remake thing of a different nature and doesn't really compare to an actual retcon, reboot or remake.
Yes. Yes I have.
Serious question: Have you seen John Carpenter's 'The Thing'?
I just can't stand anything re____ . I just don't see the point of it. Total waste of money.
Ok, the new "The Punisher" is better, but they're both proper crap movies to me.
Retconning TWO entire movies is not the same as changing around minor things and details.
I wouldn't say "ALWAYS" cheap. I can name several remakes/reboots that ended up being very solid - John Carpenter's 'The Thing' is a remake and it's completely fantastic, the Star Trek reboot is great, Casino Royale is great, the Nolan Batman movies are reboots and they're arguably better than the Schumacher ones, The Amazing Spider-Man is pretty great, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Halloween remakes are pretty great, the Thomas Jane 'Punisher' is worlds better than the Dolph Lundgren one, 'The Ring' US remake is fantastic, and that's off the top of my head.
Remakes and reboots can be bad, but they're not universally, categorically bad.
Also any movie sequel ends up having retcons in it. It's the nature of continuing a story that otherwise had "an ending". Literally every sequel in any medium since the dawn of mankind has had "retcons" in them to varying degrees.
Well, the reason I care is that sequels revive the movie prior to it and continue building on what already had been built. Ignoring movies is the same as undoing them in the long run, especially if the new retcon sequels are successful. A3 will fade away completely, which is a pity it's an amazing movie that deserves better than that. I also hate retcons, reboots and remakes in general because they are ALWAYS cheap. It's the laziest thing one can do movie-wise, especially retcons. I don't want my favorite sci-fi movie franchise to go that sad route.
Ugh, excuse the spelling errors, typing on a phone. Also, I hope Bishop returns!
I don't want a retcon, but if they insist this is how they should do it.
No, you're correct- it simply created two continuities.
Whilst we don't know the full details about Alienkamp and how it'll return Ripley and Hicks, one of the options is to just ignore lien 3 and Resurrection. This is slightly different to Isolation as that doesn't effectively erase anything the current continuity.
People also make huge personal sacrifices to save others. Like her mum, for example.
She'd also be a key witness as to what happened to the station and Weyland-Yutani personnel who were travelling with her. Plus, it would have cleared her mother's name of any suspicion of blame, whatsoever; providing a solution to that old mystery was clearly something she felt very strongly about.
It really isn't. It's not like we saw Amanda's body in the second film.
More to the point, Amanda doesn't exist at all as far as the theatrical cut is concerned.
But that's my point. The game, as it stands, is essentially retconning known canon. If taht changes in a future edition, great, but it has yet to do so.
So, until then, the game features a retcon - but people generally like it.
Star Wars and Empire were the two best films in the Star Wars franchise while Alien 3 and Alien R were not as good as the first two Alien films. If anything they should remake Star Wars episodes 1,2 and 3.
Amanda's fate in the game and her fate in 'Aliens' don't line up, but the game ends on a massive cliffhanger so there's obviously more story to tell, and dozens of ways to tie it all together.
W-Y didn't scour LV-426 for Alien stuff because they didn't know it was there - you shut off the Derelict's beacon in Isolation, and all other data from the Nostromo incident was destroyed (or floating in the Narcissus, awaiting pickup decades later). Even the crew files in the inquest in 'Aliens' mention the Nostromo case had been closed years after Isolation is supposed to take place - W-Y had simply stopped searching. It was obviously getting to be cost prohibitive - they'd lost the Nostromo, and 15 years later they lost an entire space station, all with absolutely nothing to show for it.
I mean we're not talking Colonial Marines degrees of continuity speedbumps here.
Burke had no reason to lie - and Ripley had every reason to look up her daughter's life details from non-company sources. She would have been at her utmost paranoid about trusting the company at that point. Finding out Amanda went off in search of her voice recorder to somewhere which came to grief, Nostromo-style, would have been a big red flag.
And the fact nobody's heard about anything remotely like the Alien... Nobody mentoning that the woman's daughter mentioned encountering something similar, at Ellen's own hearing? Not plausible.
And if the company was nefarious and evil, having a reason for covering it up, then they would have also had every reason to go and seek out LV-426 and actively scour it before Ellen returned. They didn't. It's just another colony to them. One which they never bothered putting any real dedicated bio-warfare personnel or facilities on.
The game's really well presented and worthy of being praised, but even its own writers copped out of providing an explanation for Amanda's inclusion.
So, again, if people can take that gaming experience to heart, they can enjoy a movie which retcons the third/fourth movie, too. 'Isolation' proved that, so well as something is done well, people just won't care.