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New Alien Novel Out 2014

January 2014 looks to see the release of a new Alien novel written by Tim Lebbon, titled Out of the Shadows. Unlike the previous series of Alien novels (2005-2008), this novel will not be published by Dark Horse Press but Titan:

“The massively acclaimed Alien franchise is one of the most successful of all time, beginning with the first film in 1979. In a dramatic twist, this novel will return us to that time, to Ellen Ripley, and to never-before-revealed secrets of the Weyland-Yutani Corporations … secrets that lead into the events of the second film, Aliens… and beyond!”

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Amazon UK has the release date as December 2013 and the retailers that have the book for pre-order at calling this #1, indicating the start of a new series. Thanks to Darwinsgirl for the news.



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  1. HuDaFuK
    Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 05, 2014, 04:53:13 AMIf one were to want to include them in any further Aliens tales, I think the best way would be to decanonize Alien 3 and go off on a different tangent.  Otherwise, you end up with inserting improbable stories in between the movies.  I really enjoyed Alien out of the Shadows,but 20th Century Fox's idea to include Ripley was really out of left field IMO and totally driven by marketing.  The best way to do it is to just say that Alien 3 is an excellent non-canonical alternate reality film or a sort of "what if?" story.  IMO this does not invalidate Alien 3.  It's still a great film, but a sort of fantasy within a fantasy....
    Or you could, you know, come up with new characters that don't interfere with the films and make us want to invest in them... Except that's so much harder than sticking "Ripley" on the back of the book.

    I'd take Alien 3 over Out of the Shadows any day. At least Alien 3 had a message and went somewhere. People may not like the bleakness of that message, but Out of the Shadows had no substance at all, it was just a pointless story that went nowhere and resolved nothing. Granted there are sequel books planned, but I shouldn't need them for the first novel to feel complete. I can't stand it when they do that. Alien doesn't need Aliens to be awesome.
  2. Perfect-Organism
    I respect your position on the matter, and it is not far off from mine in some ways.  I actually love Alien 3 too.  If you were to ignore Alien and Aliens, and just jump into the series at Alien 3, anyone would think it is a solid film on its own merits.  However I think people are to this day invested in the characters of Hicks, Ripley, and Newt.  If one were to want to include them in any further Aliens tales, I think the best way would be to decanonize Alien 3 and go off on a different tangent.  Otherwise, you end up with inserting improbable stories in between the movies.  I really enjoyed Alien out of the Shadows,but 20th Century Fox's idea to include Ripley was really out of left field IMO and totally driven by marketing.  The best way to do it is to just say that Alien 3 is an excellent non-canonical alternate reality film or a sort of "what if?" story.  IMO this does not invalidate Alien 3.  It's still a great film, but a sort of fantasy within a fantasy....



    Quote from: chromhart on Mar 03, 2014, 07:57:00 AM
    Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 19, 2014, 03:39:18 PM
    All Ripley nonsense aside, it was fun to go on another adventure with Ripley.  If Tim Lebbon had the stipulation to use Ripey, he did a great job.  More over, we got to enjoy Ash again.  That was his first reappearance in 35 years.  It was plain old fun!  As for canon?  gee, I don't know.

    I've always held the contention that Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection should be de-canonized by Fox and they should allow Cameron to pick up the story with Hicks, Newt, and Ripley.  This wouldn't be the first time a film continuity has been reset.  They did it in the Halloween films (I mean even before Rob Zombie did it), where they literally took one of the old films and ignored it in order to have continuity with one of the older films.  It worked great.  I am not disparaging Alien 3 or AR.  They are great stand-alone films to be enjoyed on their own merits.  Nobody will come and take away your copies of the films.  But the core of the series that keeps bringing fans back in droves is Aliens.  Its James Cameron.  This way Ridley Scott can pursue his Prometheus tangent, and James Cameron can pursue the Aliens tangent.  Who knows, maybe the stories could at some point re-converge?  To me, this would be the only best way to bring back Ripley.  I think I may actually start a Facebook petition for Fox to consider this.  My three cents...


    I know its a bit OT, but to add to my previous post, the plot of an Aliens sequel could be loosely inspired by Verheiden's 1988 graphic novels.  Obviously the homeworld / Space Jockey motifs would need to revamped, but that story was otherwise the best of all the graphic novels published...  From what I gather, it was Sigourney Weaver who really wanted the story to go along the lines of Alien 3 and to make her the focus of the series.  That's why Hicks and and Newt got killed.  It was Michael Biehn's openly stated greatest disappointment.  I think Sigourney has a different tune these days.  Is there anyone who thinks she wouldn't jump at the opportunity to be in a Cameron helmed Aliens sequel?  I think this is the only way the fans will handle the return of Ripley without ridiculing the effort...

    Actually I feel the opposite. I loved Alien 3, didn't care too much for Alien Resurrection. Aliens was a good movie, but I would have loved it to be more like alien, horror, suspense... The mystery....
  3. chromhart
    Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 19, 2014, 03:39:18 PM
    All Ripley nonsense aside, it was fun to go on another adventure with Ripley.  If Tim Lebbon had the stipulation to use Ripey, he did a great job.  More over, we got to enjoy Ash again.  That was his first reappearance in 35 years.  It was plain old fun!  As for canon?  gee, I don't know.

    I've always held the contention that Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection should be de-canonized by Fox and they should allow Cameron to pick up the story with Hicks, Newt, and Ripley.  This wouldn't be the first time a film continuity has been reset.  They did it in the Halloween films (I mean even before Rob Zombie did it), where they literally took one of the old films and ignored it in order to have continuity with one of the older films.  It worked great.  I am not disparaging Alien 3 or AR.  They are great stand-alone films to be enjoyed on their own merits.  Nobody will come and take away your copies of the films.  But the core of the series that keeps bringing fans back in droves is Aliens.  Its James Cameron.  This way Ridley Scott can pursue his Prometheus tangent, and James Cameron can pursue the Aliens tangent.  Who knows, maybe the stories could at some point re-converge?  To me, this would be the only best way to bring back Ripley.  I think I may actually start a Facebook petition for Fox to consider this.  My three cents...


    I know its a bit OT, but to add to my previous post, the plot of an Aliens sequel could be loosely inspired by Verheiden's 1988 graphic novels.  Obviously the homeworld / Space Jockey motifs would need to revamped, but that story was otherwise the best of all the graphic novels published...  From what I gather, it was Sigourney Weaver who really wanted the story to go along the lines of Alien 3 and to make her the focus of the series.  That's why Hicks and and Newt got killed.  It was Michael Biehn's openly stated greatest disappointment.  I think Sigourney has a different tune these days.  Is there anyone who thinks she wouldn't jump at the opportunity to be in a Cameron helmed Aliens sequel?  I think this is the only way the fans will handle the return of Ripley without ridiculing the effort...

    Actually I feel the opposite. I loved Alien 3, didn't care too much for Alien Resurrection. Aliens was a good movie, but I would have loved it to be more like alien, horror, suspense... The mystery....
  4. Darwinsgirl
    Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 19, 2014, 03:39:18 PM
    I think Sigourney has a different tune these days.  Is there anyone who thinks she wouldn't jump at the opportunity to be in a Cameron helmed Aliens sequel?  I think this is the only way the fans will handle the return of Ripley without ridiculing the effort...

    imho I think it would be plot 1st & then director. I thought Tim Lebbon did a great job writing the story with the plot & limits Fox set. I just hope the next 2 will be as well written. 8)
  5. Perfect-Organism
    All Ripley nonsense aside, it was fun to go on another adventure with Ripley.  If Tim Lebbon had the stipulation to use Ripey, he did a great job.  More over, we got to enjoy Ash again.  That was his first reappearance in 35 years.  It was plain old fun!  As for canon?  gee, I don't know.

    I've always held the contention that Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection should be de-canonized by Fox and they should allow Cameron to pick up the story with Hicks, Newt, and Ripley.  This wouldn't be the first time a film continuity has been reset.  They did it in the Halloween films (I mean even before Rob Zombie did it), where they literally took one of the old films and ignored it in order to have continuity with one of the older films.  It worked great.  I am not disparaging Alien 3 or AR.  They are great stand-alone films to be enjoyed on their own merits.  Nobody will come and take away your copies of the films.  But the core of the series that keeps bringing fans back in droves is Aliens.  Its James Cameron.  This way Ridley Scott can pursue his Prometheus tangent, and James Cameron can pursue the Aliens tangent.  Who knows, maybe the stories could at some point re-converge?  To me, this would be the only best way to bring back Ripley.  I think I may actually start a Facebook petition for Fox to consider this.  My three cents...


    I know its a bit OT, but to add to my previous post, the plot of an Aliens sequel could be loosely inspired by Verheiden's 1988 graphic novels.  Obviously the homeworld / Space Jockey motifs would need to revamped, but that story was otherwise the best of all the graphic novels published...  From what I gather, it was Sigourney Weaver who really wanted the story to go along the lines of Alien 3 and to make her the focus of the series.  That's why Hicks and and Newt got killed.  It was Michael Biehn's openly stated greatest disappointment.  I think Sigourney has a different tune these days.  Is there anyone who thinks she wouldn't jump at the opportunity to be in a Cameron helmed Aliens sequel?  I think this is the only way the fans will handle the return of Ripley without ridiculing the effort...
  6. Ultramorph
    Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 18, 2014, 05:47:02 PM
    Quote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 16, 2014, 07:51:08 PM
    Why the dog aliens specifically?

    This is probably how it went down:

    20th Century Fox said, "People are coming around to digging Prometheus!  We need some more God aliens!"

    The memo that was sent to Tim Lebbon said "20th Century Fox is asking for dog aliens.  Apparently they're hot now."

    Moral: Spell-check won't always save you.

    ;-)

    The greatest auto-correct blunder of our time.  :laugh:

    I'm interested to see what he has to say, especially if he can give us any info on the next two books.
  7. Ultramorph
    Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 16, 2014, 02:26:06 AM
    Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 16, 2014, 02:00:06 AM
    Which book is featuring Hicks?

    Someone mentioned a book which was going to be featuring Hicks. I think it's Sea of Sorrows.. I think.

    Aaaaaand it turns out that Tim Lebbon might not be writing that, so disregard that question.

    The one that might feature Hicks is the third novel, River of Pain by Christopher Golden.

    My questions for Tim Lebbon are:

    1. Are Out of the Shadows and the next two novels going to tie in with Alien: Isolation?
    2. Other than the theme of "Ripley's family" can you comment on any other elements from Out of the Shadows that will be picked up on in the subsequent books, IE the dog-aliens, etc.?
  8. The1PerfectOrganism
    That's what I mean, even if it isn't hard sci-fi it needs to feel real. Anything that doesn't is trash as far as I'm concerned.
  9. Perfect-Organism
    Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 14, 2014, 06:29:00 PM
    Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 14, 2014, 08:36:11 AM
    Finished the book last night.

    I thought it was written well enough, but the story didn't do much for me at all, and I just couldn't get over the stupid inclusion of Ripley for no reason whatsoever. She added nothing to the story, whilst taking a lot away. Ruined the book for me. It got particularly stupid towards the end, with her begging to have her mind wiped.

    All that effort to fit the novel between the first two films, and they didn't even explain who wedged the harpoon gun back under the Narcissus door, because it's there at the start of Aliens :P



    Nice memory.  I had forgotten.

    Kimarhi: You didn't forget.  The med-pod wiped it out for you.   ;)
  10. Kimarhi
    Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 14, 2014, 08:36:11 AM
    Finished the book last night.

    I thought it was written well enough, but the story didn't do much for me at all, and I just couldn't get over the stupid inclusion of Ripley for no reason whatsoever. She added nothing to the story, whilst taking a lot away. Ruined the book for me. It got particularly stupid towards the end, with her begging to have her mind wiped.

    All that effort to fit the novel between the first two films, and they didn't even explain who wedged the harpoon gun back under the Narcissus door, because it's there at the start of Aliens :P

    Nice memory.  I had forgotten.
  11. Perfect-Organism
    Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 14, 2014, 03:42:35 PM
    I've finished writing my review. Just doing some polishing then I'll publish.

    I'm also going to be doing a follow-up Q&A with Tim so if anyone has any specific questions, get them in.

    Hi Corporal Hicks,

    Here are my questions:
    1.  Are the dog-aliens in the book the same as the dog-alien which appears in the mural with the engineer in prometheus (the image is on page 22 of this topic)

    2.  Is there a connection between Trimonite and the Alien ship that was discovered at the mining site?  Was the Alien ship being "grown" out of the Trimonite?

    Thanks!
  12. HuDaFuK
    Finished the book last night.

    I thought it was written well enough, but the story didn't do much for me at all, and I just couldn't get over the stupid inclusion of Ripley for no reason whatsoever. She added nothing to the story, whilst taking a lot away. Ruined the book for me. It got particularly stupid towards the end, with her begging to have her mind wiped.

    All that effort to fit the novel between the first two films, and they didn't even explain who wedged the harpoon gun back under the Narcissus door, because it's there at the start of Aliens :P
  13. Kimarhi
    I know what he's saying.  Alien is portrayed in a way that unless your looking for those mistakes because your majored in astrophysics or some shit you don't have to suspend disbelief.

    But it isn't hard scifi.
  14. Kimarhi
    The dog ship was like the jockey ship, it was grown.


    The description in the book though makes me think that at one time though the dog aliens didn't have growth technology because they are described as having metallic suits and gold rings.

    So if the dog aliens met the Engineers it could be seen as the Engineers "uplifting" them like species do to one another in Mass Effect.

  15. Perfect-Organism
    Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 13, 2014, 07:06:14 PM
    You could argue that since their technology also seems to be organic.  Its mentioned that their ship was grown not metallic like ours would be.

    Well of course that stands to reason.  Perhaps the "Trimonite" material which they were mining is what the Alien Juggernaut ships are made of.  Was it not written that the material is 15 times harder than diamond and extremely rare?  It would explain why the Juggernaut did not break upon impact when it crash landed in Prometheus.  Furthermore, it wold explain why the Alien ship in the Tim Lebbon's book was so far underground.  It was being grown from Trimonite.  Otherwise, why even mention a fantasy material at all?  It would be bad sci-fi to invent some sort of "unobtainium" and then not have it relate to the story.

    Perhaps the ships underground in Prometheus were being grown as well?
  16. lucas.tanton
    Also on the "dog alien" topic " "prometheus stole fire from the gods" Maybe the "dog aliens" stole fire from their gods (xeno eggs).  Its great to have the alien universe expanded like this and its nice that we as viewers and readers get to put the puzzle together.
  17. Ultramorph
    That's an interesting thought, too; though I always saw the mural more as a reference to the God and Adam from the Sistine Chapel, implying that the creature (dog-alien or not) was either a creation of the Engineers or some kind of subservient species. Though it is entirely possible that the Engineer is trying to restrain the creature.

    https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.history.com%2Fnews%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F11%2Fsistine-chapel-creation-of-adam.jpg&hash=becd7d89924c2f44c809adfc7a554367e8930c56

    But looking at the "Art of Prometheus" book, the Engineer does have a wavy line that could easily be a scar or wound on his abdomen, where the liver would be. A mystery wrapped in an enigma.

    It is interesting to speculate as to whether the Engineers got the xenos from the dog-aliens, or vice versa!  ;D
  18. Perfect-Organism
    Oddly similar pose of the Titan Prometheus to the one in the mural from the movie.  I wonder if it suggests conflict between the engineers and the dog aliens.  Perhaps they are not the engineers' best friend..

  19. Ultramorph
    Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 11, 2014, 11:41:30 PM
    I think the "Dog Aliens" may have been alluded to in the Prometheus film.  If you notice on the murals inside the ampule room (where the big noggin is), there is a painting of an engineer and a dog alien of sorts.  Wonder if they're the same.

    http://C:\Arek_temp_02\ALIENS\untitled.jpg

    http://C:\Arek_temp_02\ALIENS\Prometheus1.jpg

    Interesting catch. I wonder if that's what Lebbon meant when he said "eagle-eyed" readers would find Prometheus references, especially since the Prometheus elements we got in the final version were very obvious.
  20. Perfect-Organism
    Hmmm, I just reviewed the section in the Alien movie and Ripley just says, "the shuttle won't take 4".  My bad.  But since they don't make any fuss about it whatsoever once Ash is "eliminated", one has to assume that there was space for 3.  Nitpicking?  Flaws aside, it was a very fun read.  Tim Lebbon's style captured the essence of both first films.  A page turner..


    I think the "Dog Aliens" may have been alluded to in the Prometheus film.  If you notice on the murals inside the ampule room (where the big noggin is), there is a painting of an engineer and a dog alien of sorts.  Wonder if they're the same.

    http://C:%5CArek_temp_02%5CALIENS%5c**titled.jpg

    http://C:%5CArek_temp_02%5CALIENS%5CPrometheus1.jpg

  21. Xenomrph
    If I remember right, the Narcissus had 2 tubes, and the idea was that two people would hibernate (thus not drawing on any life support) while the unlucky third person rides along fully awake. I'd have to check the USCM Tech Manual, it gives specs on the Narcissus.
  22. Kimarhi
    I always thought they were all just going to pile in to the one tube since it already showed it could support more than one life sign.  (Jonesy!)


    But I'm sure SM will know if anybody cares enough to ask him. 
  23. Darwinsgirl
    Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 11, 2014, 03:58:17 PM
    I just finished reading the book.  If you ignore the unlikely scenarios posed (mostly to do with Ripley's all too convenient participation in all of this) you will find that is a very fun book.  It is one of the best "original" Alien stories that hasve come out in years.  It would be great if they made this into a comic.

    The glaring thing that struck me most was the following.  Does anyone recall the convo that Ash, Parker, Lambert, and Ripley had about drawing straws because the Narcissus (kind of a Titanic flaw!) only has room for three?  Well now it seems the Narcissus only has room for 1.  One has to presume that when Ash, Parker, Lambert, and Ripley were talking about escaping in the Narcissus, they were talking about hibernation capsules for 3 and not just physical space for 3.  If they were talking about physical space, it seems obvious that they could fit about 8 - 10 people in there.  So just 1 hybernation capsule can't be right.  Do I get a no-prize?

    I wondered about that too when I first read it and then forgot it... ::) are there any pics of the other capsules...anyone?
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