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  1. xii22loop
    Just a thought.Maybe Weyland or Holloway turn out to be heroes in the film.We see Janek step up to the plate.Maybe the story is about that,a small group  of humans stepping up to save the world.I wonder if thats the twist.Everyone doing the right thing.

    Yeah, I'm very, very, very doubtful either Holloway or Weyland will be the heroes. Not to mention my personal skepticism of LMG's capability of carrying what could potentially become a new franchise for the ALIEN-verse as the main character.  :P

    It's going to end up either being Shaw and/or Vickers that live to see another day. Shaw is the more obvious choice, what with all the heralding from the media as "the new Ripley," but I actually kinda hope it's Vickers who pulls through. :D

    If the story were to continue on in whatever direction Prometheus brings out, Vickers could make a very interesting lead and the possibility of a more interesting dynamic between the (anti-)heroine and Weyland Industries upon her return. Just food for thought.  ;)

    When I first saw the movie PITCH BLACK in theaters I totally thought the Carolyn Fry character was going to make it to the end, it seemed like she WAS the main character/hero. It was so unexpected that she suddenly met her end and Vin Diesel's anti-hero character ended up being the hero/main survivor. Not so expected now since his character IS basically the franchise but back then he wasn't as big. Would be cool to be totally invested in Shaw and rooting for her and then BAM! Vickers ends up taking the glory.
  2. dizmo101
    Admittedly, I used to think maybe David became the Jockey, always thought it an interesting idea that he might want to become something other than just a machine.  It will be even more interesting to find out what becomes of the 2 people we know get infected, Holloway being another Jockey candidate I seem to remember. As for David, well it still could be him if not the real Jockey himself I guess, though the image below would seem to suggest otherwise...
    http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Spoiler-David.jpg
    ...but then, isn't it possible there could also be more than one David!!

    Just a bit off topic (well not really), where did all this 'people changing into jockeys' ideas come from?

    Scott said there could be two?
    Admittedly, I used to think maybe David became the Jockey, always thought it an interesting idea that he might want to become something other than just a machine.  It will be even more interesting to find out what becomes of the 2 people we know get infected, Holloway being another Jockey candidate I seem to remember. As for David, well it still could be him if not the real Jockey himself I guess, though the image below would seem to suggest otherwise...
    http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Spoiler-David.jpg
    ...but then, isn't it possible there could also be more than one David!!

    Just a bit off topic (well not really), where did all this 'people changing into jockeys' ideas come from?
  3. Deuterium
    No, Ash was putting a spoon in Kane's mouth to prevent him from grinding his teeth and breaking them. That's an actual technique, not a secret subplot planted 30 years ago by a time traveling Ridley Scott or him at the time knowing he would make Prometheus 30 years later.

    I am pretty sure that this is a myth that has been dramatized in television and movies.  It is not recommended practice to try to put anything in a person's mouth who is undergoing a seizure.  People do not "swallow" their tongues.  If they do happen to bite their tongue, during the onset of the seizure, this usually heals quickly.  People undergoing seizures usually have constriction of their jaw muscles, and their teeth are clenched shut.  They are not "chomping away" at their teeth or tongue.  Furthermore, trying to forcefully wedge something into a person's clenched mouth is more likely to cause damage to the person's gums and teeth, than the actual seizure episode.

    From the Epilepsy Foundation:

    Quote
    Get Seizure Smart is a grassroots initiative led by the Epilepsy Foundation, aimed at teaching people – from school children to first responders – how to respond to seizures. Many people still think you should put a spoon in the mouth of someone having a seizure, but that is untrue. You should never put anything in the mouth of someone having a seizure. Certain things you can do to be helpful include: Putting something flat and soft, like a folded jacket, under the head; clearing the area of anything hard or sharp; and turning the person gently to one side, to help keep the airway clear.

    http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org/news/It-Is-Time-to-Get-Seizure-Smart.cfm
  4. Mastes1
    Admittedly, I used to think maybe David became the Jockey, always thought it an interesting idea that he might want to become something other than just a machine.  It will be even more interesting to find out what becomes of the 2 people we know get infected, Holloway being another Jockey candidate I seem to remember. As for David, well it still could be him if not the real Jockey himself I guess, though the image below would seem to suggest otherwise...
    http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Spoiler-David.jpg
    ...but then, isn't it possible there could also be more than one David!!

    Just a bit off topic (well not really), where did all this 'people changing into jockeys' ideas come from?
  5. The_Moseph
    OH f**k.... CHESTBURSTERS CONFIRMED!  :o

    edit: nope.... that thing is coming out from MOUTH  :o

    ...which could be a small nod to the xeno and its inner mouth shooting out from its outer mouth, right?  ;)

    Excellent find - we've seen so little and I'm really freaked out by melting heads, snakehuggers etc etc... This is going to be wonderfully terrifying  ;D

    Makes me wonder if Ash new about mouth bursters and that was why he was so adamant to get that spoon in Kane's mouth.

    No, Ash was putting a spoon in Kane's mouth to prevent him from grinding his teeth and breaking them. That's an actual technique, not a secret subplot planted 30 years ago by a time traveling Ridley Scott or him at the time knowing he would make Prometheus 30 years later.
  6. The_Moseph
    All I get is "This video is private". Kind of difficult to add to the discussion when I can't even watch the footage in question.

    I am aware of screencaps out there of the scene, but I'd really rather watch the trailer for myself.

    Where was this trailer released? All I've ever seen is the one with those shots removed.
  7. RoaryUK
    Admittedly, I used to think maybe David became the Jockey, always thought it an interesting idea that he might want to become something other than just a machine.  It will be even more interesting to find out what becomes of the 2 people we know get infected, Holloway being another Jockey candidate I seem to remember. As for David, well it still could be him if not the real Jockey himself I guess, though the image below would seem to suggest otherwise...
    http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Spoiler-David.jpg
    ...but then, isn't it possible there could also be more than one David!!
  8. TimmyTurnersDad
    i think we are f*cking confused with the trailers, they really tricked us about what happens and when

    That's how trailers usually work; you can get the general gist of the content, and do a relatively decent job mapping it all out in successive order, but you're never really sure where exactly specific clips are located in the film, or when parts are pulling your leg.

    For an example, for all we know, the collapsing/rolling Juggernaut could turn out to be an early nightmare experienced by Shaw or Vickers, rather than the obviously figured location of somewhere towards the end of the second act or somewhere in the third act. It's more likely the latter, but like I said, you never know when the trailer is messing with you.

    Look back at the trailers for The Dark Knight; people figured for a while that Rachel Dawes was going to meet her end in the film, but as I recall, it really kicked off with the part in the trailer where the Joker lets her fall out the window, which in the final film, we find Batman manages to save her only so that she can die via a violent explosion a few days later...

    But then again, I could just be babbling nonsense and in which case, I sincerely apologize.  ;D ;)
  9. TimmyTurnersDad
    Just a thought.Maybe Weyland or Holloway turn out to be heroes in the film.We see Janek step up to the plate.Maybe the story is about that,a small group  of humans stepping up to save the world.I wonder if thats the twist.Everyone doing the right thing.

    Yeah, I'm very, very, very doubtful either Holloway or Weyland will be the heroes. Not to mention my personal skepticism of LMG's capability of carrying what could potentially become a new franchise for the ALIEN-verse as the main character.  :P

    It's going to end up either being Shaw and/or Vickers that live to see another day. Shaw is the more obvious choice, what with all the heralding from the media as "the new Ripley," but I actually kinda hope it's Vickers who pulls through. :D

    If the story were to continue on in whatever direction Prometheus brings out, Vickers could make a very interesting lead and the possibility of a more interesting dynamic between the (anti-)heroine and Weyland Industries upon her return. Just food for thought.  ;)
  10. EXTERMINATUS
    Just a thought.Maybe Weyland or Holloway turn out to be heroes in the film.We see Janek step up to the plate.Maybe the story is about that,a small group  of humans stepping up to save the world.I wonder if thats the twist.Everyone doing the right thing.
  11. dxdt
    People talk about the Engineer as some kind of mindless killing machine. I read ages ago hes meant to be a charming manipulator that cons some of the Prometheus crew to follow him. He then tricks them into being infected and sets them loose on the rest of the Prometheus crew. This leads me to conclude that there will be dialog of some description between himself and the Prometheus crew before he goes all agressive.
    Nah, you're thinking of the sequel, "Lucifer."  ;D
  12. josh_axey
    If it does speak, I hope it's language is inconceivably nightmarish.
    I don't want any of this two voices dubbed over each other "ominous" crud.

    I want it to make sounds that make you want to hide in the corner, if it must speak.
  13. RustiSwordz
    People talk about the Engineer as some kind of mindless killing machine. I read ages ago hes meant to be a charming manipulator that cons some of the Prometheus crew to follow him. He then tricks them into being infected and sets them loose on the rest of the Prometheus crew. This leads me to conclude that there will be dialog of some description between himself and the Prometheus crew before he goes all agressive.
  14. dxdt
    This is probably obvious to everyone else, but I just realized the two different scenes in this alternate trailer are precisely the two that were expunged between the leaked trailer and the first official one.
  15. PHANTOM
    Hmmm...

    someone made Prometheus darker in this trailer, mother f--ker is at it again.

    They better not make the final product needlessly dark on IMAX 3D, it better be nice and bright, detailed with solid black colors. I'm tired of these washed out, murky, dark films that rape the directors cinematography.
    All the international trailers seem overly dark compared to the domestic trailers, i prefer the darkness level in the domestic trailers, it seems about right.

    Exactly, but it goes to show that whoever made AVP-R ultra dark, Predators semi dark is still around, and he's about to do the samething to Prometheus, hope I'm wrong.
  16. GreatKnower
    Im starting to think what grabs Shaw is her "child" all grown up and the "face" is that of her father's (patrick wilson). This would be possible genetically. To me it looks like wilson could even be in the suit. the thighs remind me of his in Watchmen.
  17. NGR01
    I wasn't targeting you specifically  :)

    My take on what we've seen:

    When they discover the Juggernaut ship underground, the remaining humans (sans the flight crew, Vickers and perhaps Weyland if he's still alive by then) suit up and go inside it. The scenes we've seen from inside the ship play out - David remains in the control room, activates the holograms and communicates to the others, exploring other parts of the ship, what he's watching.

    The surviving engineer is awakened/alerted and he emerges from the only remaining intact cryotube in the controlroom. It could be a sight if he emerges in the scene with the jockey hologram playing and David doesn't realize at first, that there's an actual living engineer approaching him.

    David is dealt with, Ford + armed guy and the others. Shaw is the only one who makes it out before the ship takes of. Cue scene with her running on the surface, alerting the flight crew to stop the Juggernaut at all costs. The collision happens, the Juggernaut crashes and the engineer exits and approaches the lifeboat module now sitting on the ground -> face off with Shaw & possibly Vickers.

    Shaw with the axe might not be her dealing with the engineer (not that there's anything wrong with that image imo) - it could be the tentacle creature as well...

    Sorry for the rant and I'm probably wrong about at least 50% of this anyway (we all are I suspect)...  :laugh:

    @spelling fixed

    Sounds about right.
    But really making the survivor Engineer the ennemy sounds too generic to me.
    The go and meet an alien race, he's bad wants to destroy earth, they stop him and we live happily ever after :)

    Holloway's legs mhhhhh yep could be but i doubt it's before the love/infection scene.
    All the shots of crazy Noomi take place in a pretty bad shape Prometheus.
    When she collapses in front of David and Peter Weyland all seem pretty calm.
  18. Sgt Monday
    I think the creature standing over Shaw and the one strapping onto the Jockey chair with the
    Mask intact,are the same creature.Whoever or whatever it is,its the very same.
    And it has some baaaaaddd intrntions.
  19. tonyt2000
    I think that it's one Engineer, period. I've seen absolutely nothing in any of the footage I've seen that indicates a crew member mutating into a fully-fledged Engineer, and frankly I think that doing so would ruin the core conceit of the film, namely, that they land on LV-223, find the Engineer civilization where something nasty happened to all but one of them, and get eviscerated by the Engineer and/or his biomechanical baddies.  Yes, it's obvious that various crew members are mutating in some fashion but it would be pretty dumb for them to mutate into an Engineer.  We are all entitled to our opinions and are obviously all over-excited to see this film, but also need to respect the opinions of others and respect the fact that we can all agree or disagree over the plot points.  I hope we can all agree, though, that June can't get here fast enough!

  20. DendaReloaded
    what me no understand!!!1
    we said, that the ampule room was in the pyramid... okay
    we see, that david is in le jockeê room, also where le starmap is....okay
    so they went both into le juggernautê and in le pyramidê at approx. same time?

    cos the shit went wrong in the ampule room, when the cutle little thingie burnt le whole shit to the ground. and why do they go after they know that those wormies really don't like them into the derelict...(or was le group split up and one of them was in le juggernautê at the same time?)

    ....then why taking an alien head with yoü † ?
  21. Eva
    I wasn't targeting you specifically  :)

    My take on what we've seen:

    When they discover the Juggernaut ship underground, the remaining humans (sans the flight crew, Vickers and perhaps Weyland if he's still alive by then) suit up and go inside it. The scenes we've seen from inside the ship play out - David remains in the control room, activates the holograms and communicates to the others, exploring other parts of the ship, what he's watching.

    The surviving engineer is awakened/alerted and he emerges from the only remaining intact cryotube in the controlroom. It could be a sight if he emerges in the scene with the jockey hologram playing and David doesn't realize at first, that there's an actual living engineer approaching him.

    David is dealt with, Ford + armed guy and the others. Shaw is the only one who makes it out before the ship takes of. Cue scene with her running on the surface, alerting the flight crew to stop the Juggernaut at all costs. The collision happens, the Juggernaut crashes and the engineer exits and approaches the lifeboat module now sitting on the ground -> face off with Shaw & possibly Vickers.

    Shaw with the axe might not be her dealing with the engineer (not that there's anything wrong with that image imo) - it could be the tentacle creature as well...

    Sorry for the rant and I'm probably wrong about at least 50% of this anyway (we all are I suspect)...  :laugh:

    @spelling fixed
  22. NGR01
    Thanks for your detailed answer ;)
    I'm baffled you see it that way but i respect your view :)

    I'm baffled with the various theories with the engineer in reality being David/Weyland/Holloway/Santa Claus, but whatever  ;)

    It seems to me that some of it, is motivated by disliking the fact that space jockeys are humanoids in suits, coupled with them not being as tall as the jockey in Alien, coupled with the need for convoluted plot twist.

    The scene we are talking about, is imo about Shaw (who is religious) essentially facing her God/maker and the terrifying implications of this. Is she about to get raped (again) Lambert style by 'God'?

    All this subtext is completely out the window, if it's just a crewmember in an engineer suit.

    But I've been wrong before...  :)

    Lets be clear just in case.
    I do believe we will be meeting a real Engineer.
    A towering giant being.
    Never was disapointed by the humnaoid in suit concept.
    You might not be targeting me but just wanted to be clear :)

    As for the confrontation between Shaw and her "God" yep that is a powerful concept and something i want to see.
    But in the way she's reacting in that scene (in one shot you can see her grabbed by the suit and she's not affraid or anything) i don't see any god fearing. This whole scene looks more like a last stand (with a axe) than anything else.
    Also i doubt she would have the guts to attack a 7ft tall god like being with an axe.
    Sounds more like it with a fake god.

    The human engineer is not convuluted it does fit perfectly with the Prometheus myth,Peter Weyland or David story arc.
    We'll see...
  23. Mastes1
    Hmmm...

    someone made Prometheus darker in this trailer, mother f--ker is at it again.

    They better not make the final product needlessly dark on IMAX 3D, it better be nice and bright, detailed with solid black colors. I'm tired of these washed out, murky, dark films that rape the directors cinematography.
    All the international trailers seem overly dark compared to the domestic trailers, i prefer the darkness level in the domestic trailers, it seems about right.
  24. Eva
    Thanks for your detailed answer ;)
    I'm baffled you see it that way but i respect your view :)

    I'm baffled with the various theories with the engineer in reality being David/Weyland/Holloway/Santa Claus, but whatever  ;)

    It seems to me that some of it, is motivated by disliking the fact that space jockeys are humanoids in suits, coupled with them not being as tall as the jockey in Alien, coupled with the need for convoluted plot twist.

    The scene we are talking about, is imo about Shaw (who is religious) essentially facing her God/maker and the terrifying implications of this. Is she about to get raped (again) Lambert style by 'God'?

    All this subtext is completely out the window, if it's just a crewmember in an engineer suit.

    But I've been wrong before...  :)
  25. PHANTOM
    Hmmm...

    someone made Prometheus darker in this trailer, mother f--ker is at it again.

    They better not make the final product needlessly dark on IMAX 3D, it better be nice and bright, detailed with solid black colors. I'm tired of these washed out, murky, dark films that rape the directors cinematography.

  26. Mastes1
    The jockey in Alien could have been dead for thousands of years - a remote ancestor to the engineer we will see in this film. Besides, why would they all have to be equally sized? They are an advanced race playing around with lifeforms and biomechanoid technology. Are all humans the same size? Do we all wear clothing/suits of the same size?

    No humans are not all the same size but the difference in size between the ALIEN jockey and the Prometheus jockeys seems llarger than the difference between say 'little people' and a averge sized man/woman. Maybe thats it, the prometheus jockeys are an outlaw sect of 'little jockeys' who are travelling the universe looking for their pot of gold. ::)
  27. NGR01
    FYI, Shaw says 'If we don't stop it, there won't be any home to go back to'

    ... and I don't buy the Weland/David engineer at all, but that's old news. David meets his demise onboard the Juggernaut facing the last engineer, I suspect...  ;)

    Yep listened to it again, she says IT.
    The recent declarations of Fassbender on his characters leaves me no doubt that he will play a part more important than that.
    The whole angle of him being jaleous to humans and having fun with the tech especially.

    On a side note who do you explain that human sized character?
    Would like to hear you opinion really.
    Do you think it's suposed to be a 7ft tall Engineer and Scott failed to make him look tall?
     :)

    The engineer towering over Shaw in the lifeboat corridor? He's definately larger than an average human - I don't know why people think that's a human.

    http://i46.tinypic.com/2agjl2v.jpg

    If you measure Shaws leg up, 'stretching it out', the top of her hip would reach somewhere to the middle of his thigh (we can't even see his feet). And it's not Noomi Rapaces small physique that accounts for this - women and men have almost the same leg length - it's the upperbody area where average women are a lot shorter than average men. Her head would reach his stomach area/lower chest when standing upright next to him, I'd say.

    When Noomi is seen looking through the window on the door right behind them (tentacle scene), she can only 'reach' the lower part of the window. Even accounting for the perspective, imagine how tall the engineer in that shot, if you put him next to the door.

    As to David - I believe his character arc will revolve around him dealing with humans, contrasted with what he will think of us and himself, when it is revealed that humans themselves are designed/made for a very specific purpose (just as David is) by the engineers. That's imo where Davids character arc comes into play.  :)

    Thanks for your detailed answer ;)
    I'm baffled you see it that way but i respect your view :)
  28. Eva
    The jockey in Alien could have been dead for thousands of years - a remote ancestor to the engineer we will see in this film. Besides, why would they all have to be equally sized? They are an advanced race playing around with lifeforms and biomechanoid technology. Are all humans the same size? Do we all wear clothing/suits of the same size?
  29. Mastes1
    To be fair, the jockey is a lot closer to the camera in that pic but yeah the point stll stands, the jockey in ALIEN would be 12+ foot tall easily and the jockeys in Prometheus don't even look anywhere as big as a 10 foot Naavi, they look more like 8 feet tall in Prometheus which would probably be too small for jockey children! lol.
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