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Things We Enjoy But Others Seem To Hate – AvPGalaxy Podcast #32

Just in time for a lazy Sunday evening or your Monday morning drive to work, we have uploaded the 32nd episode of the AvPGalaxy Podcast. We mentioned in our last episode that the first episode for 2016 would be devoted to the earlier Prometheus script, Alien: Engineers.

However, I decided to do something a little different for this episode and possibly something that makes you rethink your opinions of us! Things we enjoy but most other people seem to dislike.

Amongst the things we discuss in this episode is the comic Aliens vs. Predator: Three World War. This picture is one of Raymond Swanland's cover for the series. Things We Enjoy But Others Seem To Hate - AvPGalaxy Podcast #32

Amongst the things we discuss in this episode is the comic Aliens vs. Predator: Three World War. This picture is one of Raymond Swanland’s cover for the series.

RidgeTop and I are joined by community guest Shevvie as we discuss 2 things that we all enjoy but seems to be disliked amongst the community. RidgeTop talks about the Alien vs. Predator films, Shevvie brings up Aliens: Colonial Marines and Alien 3 while I discuss Aliens vs. Predator: Three World War and Predators.

Shevvie mentions in the episode that the Aliens: Colonial Marines is available to download online. You can find the entire soundtrack on Kevin Riepl’s website.

We’d love to hear from you guys and girls. Do you agree with us? Are there other things out there that you love but that fondest just doesn’t seem to be shared? Please let us know down below. If you’d like to listen to any of our previous episodes you can find them all in the Podcast section.



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Comments: 30
  1. XenoHunter99
    ALIEN 3  :'(

    Hey, I love Alien 3 too. Both versions of the film!

    The obvious rejoinder here is that you both have every reason to love the movie. Like most everything under the Alien banner, it has things to recommend it. So it's not the most popular movie. OK. But hey, I really enjoyed Terminator Genisys; and all the naysaying on the internet won't change that. If you love A3, go on loving it! I think that was sort of the point of the podcast. And A:CM... Lambasted all over the web. But Shevvie says he played it for 300 hours! Let that sink in. We love what we love, and we don't need to justify it. ;D
  2. Corporal Hicks
    What I find surprising is that you think that PREDATORS is actually a hated movie because from what I've seen here on the forums, that a lot of fans really love that movie.

    From my perspective, all I seem to see are people complaining about it and hating on it.

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    I can say that... while you and I do disagree on other things, I haven't exactly sensed any hostility coming from you and I am quite thankful for that.  :)

    Good! I'm glad because I certainly don't want to project any sort of hostility towards anyone. I don't think any of us should be hostile towards each other.

    What was the music you used in the ending? Seemed like Alien: Ressurrection to me.

    It was the theme for Colonial Marines.



    I'm not too keen on listening to podcasts, but I enjoyed it.  :)

    I'm exclusively a travel listener myself.  :P I'm glad you enjoyed it though!  :)
  3. XenoHunter99
    I've had the chance to listen, and it's good work as usual.
    First, let's talk about the music. Thanks for the tip about the AVP:CM soundtrack. Sounds great! I had no idea about it. Must have missed the memo... I've always loved the original Alien soundtrack. Goldsmith knocked it out of the park, I think. The use of horns and percussion along with the contrast between the sort of romantic theme for space and the Nostromo vs the music for the creature is quite striking. Some of the sounds Goldsmith used make the soundtrack stand out among its peers. I especially like The Landing and Parker's Death. Of course, I'm one of the people who fondly remembers the original LP soundtrack and had to have the 2007 2-disk set. The soundtrack in the movie includes some of Goldsmith's work on Freud. As most probably know, Scott had the tracks slotted for temprorary use and decided to keep them in the final movie over Goldsmith's objections. And the end theme was completely replaced. The experience caused a lot of hard feelings between Goldsmith and Scott.

    The soundtrack for Aliens has its moments. Some of the sound is iconic, but a lot of that soundtrack comes over from Horner's work on Star Trek. The Federation, Khan, and the Klingons all seem well represented. I like the sound of it, so it's okay with me, but I can see where there might be some complaint. It's a Horner soundtrack from the 80s. That really sort of sums it up.

    The work Goldenthal did on A3 is quite good. I won't argue with people about it, but A3 does not mean as much to me as the original or even Aliens.

    I suppose that leads into the liking of A3 or not. I don't love the movie. I like the Alien chase at the end and I agree the funeral scene is brilliant. I'm not bothered at all about Hicks or Newt. The Magic Egg is what it is. The real problem to me is that the prisoners are hardened criminals. The Alien becomes a dispenser of justice. If the people had been ordinary miners or maintainers, even colonists, I would feel more for their plight. As it is, the Alien is killing them, and I think "good riddance." I feel somewhat badly for the doctor, the warden, and his assistant. They're more or less ordinary people doing their best. I can feel something for that. But as audience, any sympathy for the prisoners is stripped away through the course of the film until it doesn't matter what the creature does to them. As a movie, the assembly cut holds up far better than the theatrical release because the story is more complete. But I think, visually, the image of Ripley dropping into the furnace as presented in the theatrical release, with the queen popping out, works better than in the later version.

    I enjoy the AVP director cut. It does what it does and I like enough of it to watch it once in a while. I sort of like the idea of Predators watching over humanity's development better than the engineers. I don't think they could have Aliens on earth without some of them getting out, though. And all that plays havoc with the idea that the Aliens are an unknown species. But I guess we have to sort of reassess. It appears that at least a few people have known about all these things for a long time before the Nostromo lands on LV426. At least that's the subtext. And instead of doing anything sensible, people always think they can somehow profit from messing with avatars of death. FWIW, the Aliens could only be 10000 times worse than these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_giant_hornet  :laugh:

    Predators was fun. I enjoyed it well enough.I generally agree with Ridgetop about it. Like so many of these movies, it could have been better, but that's the way it is.
  4. RakaiThwei
    You can't please everyone, no. But I also think having an us vs them mentality is a terrible way to consider a fandom. I don't agree with your opinions about Predators. I think you're completely off mark with them but I wouldn't force you to try and like the film. I'd try and sway your opinions with reasoned discussion - same as I'd try and let you sway my own opinions with reasoned discussion - but at the end of the day I don't see you (or anyone like you, I'm not singling you out) as an enemy or anything. That's the wrong mentality to have.

    What I find surprising is that you think that PREDATORS is actually a hated movie because from what I've seen here on the forums, that a lot of fans really love that movie. But more and more, on this site and on Facebook-- I'm finding out that there are people who were disappointed or genuinely hated the movie. I'm still surprised because I keep on thinking that this movie is so loved and get's a pass because it's Robert Rodriguez.

    But in regards to my experience with the fandom, I'm talking about this sense of... exclusion from the community. I'm not sure if you've seen it but I've experienced it and in regards to my love for certain entries, and anger towards others... I've actually been the target of ridicule from other fans, off-site from this forum of course. I've been hounded on Youtube, and even on Instant Messenger just for preferring AVP and AVP-R over PREDATORS and Prometheus, and where I think the franchise should go instead of where it's going now.

    I can say that... while you and I do disagree on other things, I haven't exactly sensed any hostility coming from you and I am quite thankful for that.  :)
  5. Corporal Hicks
    Edit - I found the Aliens: Fire and Stone review. Did you do the Predator, Prometheus, or AvP ones?

    I've only done Aliens. I did start doing the others but to be honest I wasn't in the mood and I haven't gotten around to doing the rest. Whilst the individual series have lots going for them (and I love Prometheus and Predator), I found the whole series over all kind of deflating.

    I may still pick it up, only because AvP War #0 was the first Alien/Avp/Predator comic i ever owned. So now an adult, with both AvP and AvP War collected ages ago, my inner 10 year old is begging me to get it lol.

    I ended up collecting the 6 issues of AvP when they re-issued them in the late 90's. Those covers were terrible with the art in the comics being pretty decent. The cover arts for three world war are so badass though.

    You really should give it a go! I think the scale of its is quite good! But Swanland is f**king awesome! It's a shame he didn't come back and do more!
  6. RagingDragon
    Just give it a go! Here's my review from back in 2010: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/literature/reviews/avp-three-world-war/

    Nice I was looking around for this. Did you review the Fire and Stone series, Hicks? I'm sure they're going to be kind of weak like all of the modern Dark Horse offerings, but I'd like to check them out at least.

    It sucks that there are hardly any reviews of them on Amazon.

    Edit - I found the Aliens: Fire and Stone review. Did you do the Predator, Prometheus, or AvP ones?
  7. 426Buddy
    I may still pick it up, only because AvP War #0 was the first Alien/Avp/Predator comic i ever owned. So now an adult, with both AvP and AvP War collected ages ago, my inner 10 year old is begging me to get it lol.

    I ended up collecting the 6 issues of AvP when they re-issued them in the late 90's. Those covers were terrible with the art in the comics being pretty decent. The cover arts for three world war are so badass though.
  8. 426Buddy
    I had been wanting to get three world war, but after this podcast i checked the art preview and yeah... what were they thinking? Still not as bad as female war though.

    Amazes me how awesome the cover art is on so many comics, I don't understand why there is such a huge disconnect between cover art and whats on the page.
  9. whiterabbit
    You guys really digged Predators, neat. I thought the movie was great myself. Also didn't realize that the original concept of "evolution" was dna harvesting. I think that idea would have worked better for how ugly the super predators were.

    Plus tell Shevvie not to worry about his kids naming system. We had one guy down here who named his kid Buta. When asked why he would name his daughter that he said since he was a delinquent he knows for sure that she will become one too and the day she runs away from home he'll call us all up to go on a Buta Hunt. Sure enough we actually got that call a few years ago. Buta by the way means pig in japanese. Yea that guy is pretty messed up.
  10. Corporal Hicks
    That being said where your trekking with the whole Super Predators to replace the originals is kinda up in the air.

    What do you mean, sorry?

    You can't please everyone.

    Also... I just.. get this feeling that other fans want me to love PREDATORS and Prometheus, and I can't bring myself to do it. And if I don't love those films well... I'm prepared to being treated as a black sheep. I'll say this, I'm actually resentful of the fandom.. based on how it's treated me as a fellow fan. It's one reason why I'm going back to the TMNT fandom.

    You can't please everyone, no. But I also think having an us vs them mentality is a terrible way to consider a fandom. I don't agree with your opinions about Predators. I think you're completely off mark with them but I wouldn't force you to try and like the film. I'd try and sway your opinions with reasoned discussion - same as I'd try and let you sway my own opinions with reasoned discussion - but at the end of the day I don't see you (or anyone like you, I'm not singling you out) as an enemy or anything. That's the wrong mentality to have.

    At the end of the day we're here (and in other communities) to discuss the things we enjoy. People need to ensure they've got an open mind and a mature attitude about it all. We're not all going to agree, that's a dead cert but we can be adults about it.

    Yeah nice podcast guys. You had a nice range of contrasting opinions.

    Thanks. That's exactly what we try to achieve.
  11. RagingDragon
    Yeah nice podcast guys. You had a nice range of contrasting opinions.

    @RakaiThwei, the Alien/Predator fandom is a bit of a Greek tragedy, man. It's also been going on long enough to have a serious clash of several different generations along with several different stages of Western culture and Hollywood.

    I was still a lurker here when the first AvP film came out, but I can imagine it was pretty jarring for the older fans when the younger ones brought here by AvP began to show up. It's like the EU helped usher it into pure B-Movie monster schlock, which can still be fun but will cause some pretty serious rifts in any fan community.
  12. DarkXeno
    I agree with a lot said. That being said where your trekking with the whole Super Predators to replace the originals is kinda up in the air. I would like to see a more physically threatening Predator, but doesn't mean I think he should be throwing around Aliens or holding two of them by their necks kinda strength. An even match for an even better hunt hopefully one day!
    I hope Ridley Scott didn't Prometheus over Blienkompth's Alien as like a hey my project my idea gonna wipe this with my ass kinda thing.
    I enjoy his style, but by expanding the universe you'd have to becareful where you go.
    End of Transmission!
  13. RakaiThwei
    I think Alien Isolation did a lot of instill some extra confidence in the franchise but what we really need is for a new film that is truly stellar.

    I've been fine with the majority of the films we've gotten, save for the current recent two releases we've gotten. I can't remember who said it on the podcast but they hit the nail on the head when they said if you just watch them as just monster movies, you'll be fine. I've always taken that approach to a lot of movies, I've grown up on monster movies and say what you want about Alien 3, Resurrection, and the AVPs, but I liked them. ....Resurrection, I just need to get the gumption to rewatch but can't for some reason. I think the fandom's opinion soured my own over it.

    As for PREDATORS and Prometheus... It's no secret, that... I HATE Predators, and Robert Rodriguez. Prometheus, I used to genuinely like but my outlook on the film soured for a variety of reasons.

    As far as a new film is concerned... I think we were spoiled with the original three films, being Alien, Aliens and Predator. They set the bar pretty high and so far no sequel to date has been able to meet that standard. I think as fans, we spoiled ourselves with these expectations. I mean it's hard to say what these new films are going to be like, and how... But I'll say this and it's an overall fact.

    You can't please everyone.

    Also... I just.. get this feeling that other fans want me to love PREDATORS and Prometheus, and I can't bring myself to do it. And if I don't love those films well... I'm prepared to being treated as a black sheep. I'll say this, I'm actually resentful of the fandom.. based on how it's treated me as a fellow fan. It's one reason why I'm going back to the TMNT fandom.
  14. Corporal Hicks
    Aaaaah, based on my interactions with the fandom... I would say it would be yes. Now this doesn't pertain to you as an individual but a collective of those whom I have interacted with, and the overall attitude I've seen.

    I think after a ton of really low quality releases (starting with pretty much everything movie related that came after Alien3) the fanbase has pretty much become poison.

    It would take something something truly great to come out of this franchise before people started to become positive again.

    I thought you were referring to the podcast. No, I would agree, the fanbase over all is quite negative. Especially after Prometheus. And I'm talking about more than just here. I think Alien Isolation did a lot of instill some extra confidence in the franchise but what we really need is for a new film that is truly stellar.

  15. 426Buddy
    I think after a ton of really low quality releases (starting with pretty much everything movie related that came after Alien3) the fanbase has pretty much become poison.

    It would take something something truly great to come out of this franchise before people started to become positive again.
  16. RakaiThwei
    I don't think we're that negative are we? I just became very aware of more potshots than usual at Prometheus lately.

    Aaaaah, based on my interactions with the fandom... I would say it would be yes. Now this doesn't pertain to you as an individual but a collective of those whom I have interacted with, and the overall attitude I've seen. From my personal experiences, I've been pretty open about my love for AVP and AVP-R and well.. I've been met with harsh anger, stinging sarcasm, and treated as an overall black sheep. I could name names, but I won't.
  17. RagingDragon
    Lol what a broad topic you guys had to explore! Going to listen to this later today, and hot damn thanks for that soundtrack link.

    As a rabid soundtrack junkie, I jumped all over it, and to be honest I can't remember too much of the A:CM music, but the title music alone was pretty memorable. It got me far more excited than I should've been to play that disaster of a game. ;D
  18. Thomas
    i am also one of those who enjoy playing the buggy mess that is aliens colonial marines. I like the setting, the sounds and the atmosphere. Off course it´s nothing like what we were shown and promised but i have been waiting for this game ever since it was announced for the ps2. Its a buggy mess but i like it.

    Eventhough its not what we were promised i still want another aliens colonial marines game because i believe it can become the game we all want/wanted, maby with someone else at the helm like creative assembly. You know someone who actually gives a s**t about the game they are making.
  19. Corporal Hicks
    Another great podcast!

    Thanks! I'm glad you enjoy.

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    Don't agree with all of it, Fishburne  was terrible lol 

    Aww I thought Fishburne was hilarious in a super cheesy way. I can watch it without getting annoyed though with me not being a huge Predator fan, I just dint take it seriously enough. Glad you enjoyed the episode 420Buddy!

    I couldn't say I agreed with that point myself  :laugh: but the point of this one was to get in your say about things like that. I thought it was a bit risky as it had a bit of potential to ruin reputations but I thought it was a pretty cool idea to do.

    I always loved aliens genocide, the comic. I see a lot of dislike for it though, it was one of the first aliens comics I had ever seen and it hits a nice nostalgic spot for me.

    I loved the novel more than the book - but that's generally the case for me. I feel spoilt by Beauvis so anything that doesn't come close to his visuals is ruined in my eyes.  :laugh:

    Just finished listening to this, and I have to say that... I agree with what a lot of RidgeTop says.

    I thought you might.  :P

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    It was a change of pace, instead of ripping what everyone hates, it celebrated which few loved. I would like to have more things like that. But alas-- I think this probably covers it.

    I don't think we're that negative are we? I just became very aware of more potshots than usual at Prometheus lately.


    By the way did anything think this sounded too quiet or soft? Just had a complaint on Twitter about it.
  20. RakaiThwei
    Just finished listening to this, and I have to say that... I agree with what a lot of RidgeTop says.

    Not much to really say but... aside from disagreements, well.. that should be obvious. It was a change of pace, instead of ripping what everyone hates, it celebrated which few loved. I would like to have more things like that. But alas-- I think this probably covers it.
  21. Shevvie
    Aww I thought Fishburne was hilarious in a super cheesy way. I can watch it without getting annoyed though with me not being a huge Predator fan, I just dint take it seriously enough. Glad you enjoyed the episode 420Buddy!
  22. 426Buddy
    Another great podcast!

    Don't agree with all of it, Fishburne  was terrible lol 

    I always loved aliens genocide, the comic. I see a lot of dislike for it though, it was one of the first aliens comics I had ever seen and it hits a nice nostalgic spot for me.
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