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Aliens vs Predator – Fire and Stone #4 Preview

Comic Book Resources has just posted the preview for the 4th and final issue of the Aliens vs Predator – Fire and Stone series. Written by Christopher Sebela and with artwork from Ariel Olivetti, Aliens vs Predator has told the story of Elden’s hunt for Francis. As always, beware spoilers:

As a desperate scientist’s violent evolution reaches its deadly apex, an alien-and-predator battle royale erupts in the bowels of the doomed Geryon armada! Now, on a ship of killers—there can be only one survivor . . .

241214_02 Aliens vs Predator - Fire and Stone #4 Preview

Aliens vs. Predator has very much become a series focused on the conflict between the accelerant infected creatures and it will be interesting to see how the conclusion is ended. Thanks to Ultramorph for the news.



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  1. RakaiThwei
    Right, I'd like to see that expanded upon

    -Rest Snipped-

    Actually, I would like to see that handled differently but the concept would remain more or less the same.

    For one, I would like to see them keep the Yautja concept. The Predators which we know from the first two movies, as well as the AvP movies would of course be the Yautja. But there would of course be the clans with the different cultures. Different clans, different rules, different customs. Much like how Native American tribes are.

    The Killers would be one clan who could more or less be seen as disgraced Hunters who willingly more or less had outright decided to abandon the traditional aspects of the hunt. These guys would be considered a larger threat to many clans but still seen as Yautja, as far as species are concerned. However most traditional clans would outright have major conflicts with them.

    Bad Bloods more or less would be their own thing but this could still overall fit with the concept of the Killers and potentially the Super Predators. Bad Bloods would still be dishonored or criminal Predators.

    The Super Predators should be retconned to being the Hish. As much as you and I both don't like these... abominations, the Hish concept seems to really fit these guys considering that their practices more or less are similar. The Hish had operated a jungle planet, so did the Super Predators, and the Hish had hunted humans and other species on this planet.. Much like the Super Predators. An expansion on why these things are different from the Predators we know, similar to the Romulans and Vulcans would be a viable explanation. If we have to have these things, then they should be a cousin race/species.


    ...That's how I'd like to see Predators in the New EU handled at least.. But I am not holding my breath.
  2. happypred
    You mean like how there are different Native American cultures with distinct cultures? I would've thought that some of the old films and the old EU touched up on that a bit. I mean if we look at the Antarctic clan and the Lost clan, I would think that they are different clans with different cultures and aesthetics.

    Right, I'd like to see that expanded upon

    Possible tribes...
    Sport Hunters
    Yautja 
    Super Predators 
    Killers 
    Bad Bloods 
    AvP/Mayans
    Hish
  3. RakaiThwei
    The Predators must have a several/enemy rival species. There should be hundreds if not thousands of prey species. More should be revealed about the Predators themselves. Numerous tribes with distinct cultures would be an interesting direction.

    You mean like how there are different Native American cultures with distinct cultures? I would've thought that some of the old films and the old EU touched up on that a bit. I mean if we look at the Antarctic clan and the Lost clan, I would think that they are different clans with different cultures and aesthetics.
  4. happypred
    Let's introduce another species they created and start to explore them, their relation to the Aliens and etc.

    Other Engineer creations and other alien species would be great additions to the franchise. Fire and Stone actually has some of both. That's a step in the right direction. More would be better.

    The Predators must have a several/enemy rival species. There should be hundreds if not thousands of prey species. More should be revealed about the Predators themselves. Numerous tribes with distinct cultures would be an interesting direction.

    The Engineers themselves may have had ancient rivals. The time is now to reveal more about the AvP universe.   
  5. Russ
    AvP (ironically) not so much. The predators just aren't doing it for me in these issues... maybe because I can't really ascertain any characterisation, they're just predators going around killing stuff as usual.

    Biggest problem is it's not an AvP story.

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    Once done with the comics, I'm going on to the new Aliens novel trilogy (are these connected with the comics - this is a lengthy thread and I've not yet read it, I've been avoiding novel and Fire and Stone threads till I've read them is all).

    There's some minor connections in the 3rd novel to the Aliens series but nothing major. More just acknowledging some of the characters and the Onager.

    Cool, thanks so much.

    No, it's not an AvP story, it feels as though the predators have been parachuted in - the characters in the first ones were really rich... I'm not sure that the main plot point (the artificial human and what happens to him) really resonated with me, but the whole atmosphere and "feel" of the pieces utterly nailed it.

    I'm thinking as I type that Yatuja (sp) are really problematical --- without knowing more about them, they don't offer much. But I do know that there's a vocal fancore on here that really doesn't want anything really revealed about them, their culture and their motivations as it dilutes them.

    But without any of that, they really are just violence candy. Movies are different, they work in movies, but printed medium might be limiting. That said - I've really background in the earlier EU stuff past the first couple of graphic novels.
  6. Corporal Hicks
    AvP (ironically) not so much. The predators just aren't doing it for me in these issues... maybe because I can't really ascertain any characterisation, they're just predators going around killing stuff as usual.

    Biggest problem is it's not an AvP story.

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    Once done with the comics, I'm going on to the new Aliens novel trilogy (are these connected with the comics - this is a lengthy thread and I've not yet read it, I've been avoiding novel and Fire and Stone threads till I've read them is all).

    There's some minor connections in the 3rd novel to the Aliens series but nothing major. More just acknowledging some of the characters and the Onager.
  7. Russ
    I started reading Fire and Stone recently. I have to say that I was blown away by Aliens and Prometheus, I really think these nailed the film atmosphere.

    AvP (ironically) not so much. The predators just aren't doing it for me in these issues... maybe because I can't really ascertain any characterisation, they're just predators going around killing stuff as usual.

    However, I've not finished yet, so maybe things will turn around (I've to to the bit where Galgo is giving his captor some grief whilst suspended).

    But the first two books were great, I absolutely loved them - and am looking forward to a re-read.

    Once done with the comics, I'm going on to the new Aliens novel trilogy (are these connected with the comics - this is a lengthy thread and I've not yet read it, I've been avoiding novel and Fire and Stone threads till I've read them is all).
  8. Corporal Hicks
    Completely agree there. Problem of course is, the films.

    I always thought the key was introducing something specific to the EU and then exploring from there. For example, the Engineer's created us. Let's introduce another species they created and start to explore them, their relation to the Aliens and etc. It's a little non-specific but you get the drift. It would hopefully avoid conflict with potential future films but allow for expansion of the mythos in an EU exclusive way.

    It's why I really hope Titan actually take these new dog-Aliens and do something with them.
  9. happypred
    To really build a new comic book EU based on the A/P/AvP/Prom franchise, DH would have to expand the mythos.

    If you keep the predators and the aliens mysterious, your storytelling is limited to pretty much what DH has done before. I feel like AvP must evolve into something like StarCraft or Mass Effect to sustain a long-running series or even multiple miniseries over a number of years.

    Writers have to start digging deep into the franchise, flesh out the universe. Without further expansion, there's only room for the ol' mad scientist (Aliens) or random hunt (Predator) or random hunt with aliens (AvP) stories.   

    Perhaps Prometheus will be the key to unlocking the potential of the franchise.
  10. Corporal Hicks
    I hope DH has a prosperous future ahead of it, and that Alien and Predator are a part of it.

    Just quoting you but replying to multiple points. I don't think Aliens/vs/Predator/Prometheus has the story power for an on-going. I'd be interested to see someone try and make a fool of me. But I think a return to the golden age is possible where we've got multiple 4/6 issue stories going.

    But I'd really like to see them try and explore new angles. I'd also like to see stories void of Prometheus influence but I'd still like to see that series explored.
  11. happypred
    Now Buffy and "Fire & Stone" are their best sellers since Star Wars left last August

    Hellboy is their bestseller, followed by Buffy and AvP

    #114
    HELLBOY AND THE BPRD #1
    $3.50
    DAR
    22,368

    #151
    BTVS SEASON 10 #10
    $3.50
    DAR
    16,448

    #171
    ALIEN VS PREDATOR FIRE AND STONE #3
    $3.50
    DAR
    13,261

    #173
    PROMETHEUS FIRE AND STONE #4
    $3.50
    DAR
    13,237

    #177
    ALIENS FIRE AND STONE #4
    $3.50
    DAR
    12,735

    #182
    PREDATOR FIRE AND STONE #3
    $3.50
    DAR
    12,128

    I really hope Sebela hasn't poisoned the well.
  12. Ultramorph
    Yeah, the notion that Dark Horse was living off of Star Wars was a myth. Mike Richardson has said that it basically only amounted to 6% of their income. Even if some creative accounting was involved in getting that number, they were still probably getting hit hard by licensing fees for Star Wars.

    I hope DH has a prosperous future ahead of it, and that Alien and Predator are a part of it.
  13. vikingspawn
    There were really only 4 Star Wars rotating titles at a time per month at Dark Horse and everything else has been creator owned stuff and their recent superhero line sank like a stone.   Now Buffy and "Fire & Stone" are their best sellers since Star Wars left last August:

    http://icv2.com/articles/news/view/30647/top-300-comics-actual-december-2014

    I remember when Aliens/Predator had several minis all the a time during the '90s.  Those were the days.  I'd like to see them return back to that kind of output especially since there have been several year gaps without any new books at all.     
  14. RakaiThwei
    Well you have to remember, Alien-Predator is not necessarily as popular as Star Wars. Infact, most of what Dark Horse had put out was mostly nothing BUT Star Wars and that was their strongest seller I believe. Now that the Star Wars license left behind a void, Dark Horse has decided to create more superhero titles. Infact.. I don't see Alien-Predator becoming a regular thing but instead being pumped out to promote the movies more and more. When Shane's movie comes out as well as the Prometheus sequel, I can guarantee you that we will see an influx of comics but nothing on going.
  15. vikingspawn
    I'm surprised there aren't any more title announcements now that the current books are finishing their final issues.  The relaunch has been selling pretty well for Dark Horse since they lost the Star wars license.  I thought the Star Wars void would open up more monthly publishing for the Aliens line.  They need something for Summer at least.
  16. Ultramorph
    Have these already been posted?:


    I don't see Omega in any of those TPBs. I wonder if that's hinting at a single-volume Fire and Stone collection or omnibus at some later date.
    Any news yet on the next round of upcoming books (Aliens/Prometheus/AVP) after Fire & Stone?   Besides Archie vs. Predator.

    I'd like to have year round Aliens comics coming.

     ???

    No word on anything beyond Archie vs Predator. Maybe we'll get something in late 2015, but I wouldn't count on it. Dark Horse is probably going to wait and see how the FaS TPBs sell before they make any decisions about future series.

    That being said, I would love if they did another Prometheus book.
  17. Corporal Hicks
    We're half agreeing here. I completely agree it shouldn't be called AvP. The nature of the story they wanted to tell meant it wasn't. I don't think its fair to say he can't write AvP. I just think, over-all, they weren't attempting to. Fire and Stone has been an exercise on playing with the Prometheus influences. The titles have been somewhat misleading TBH.

    I haven't had a chance to finish reading all of AvP yet so I can't really comment on its over all quality but I have enjoyed #1-3 so far.
  18. Corporal Hicks
    Sebela doesn't get AvP, which is about showing how deadly the two species are...that hunter vs. prey dynamic (both are hunters and both are prey). Aliens vs. Predator should be the main event, mutants should be the sideshow. Sebela provides the opposite.

    I don't think that's really the problem. The problem is the story they're trying to tell and at its core, it's just not about the two creatures knocking heads. It's about Elden, it's about Francis and it's about the accelerant. It just doesn't work when one of the series is titled Aliens vs. Predator. Should have been titled differently.
  19. DarthJoker45
    Sebela doesn't get AvP, which is about showing how deadly the two species are...that hunter vs. prey dynamic (both are hunters and both are prey). Aliens vs. Predator should be the main event, mutants should be the sideshow. Sebela provides the opposite.

    I agree. In all honesty, AVP is the one book that should not have been added in this event. It doesn't further the overall story in any way, and it turned Elden from an interesting character in the Prometheus story to a babbling idiot spouting out all kinds of rhetoric. I liked him in the first two issues, but his character just became too preachy with poor dialog in issues three and four.
  20. happypred
    Agreed. If Ferreyra and Alessio were contracted to do every new A/v/P/Prometheus comic for as long as they live, I'd be happy. The writing on FaS can definitely be criticized, but I think Dark Horse really took complaints about the art on previous events seriously when they were putting together the FaS team.

    Mooneyham is solid as well. He draws Ahab really well. The scene with Ahab vs. the four-armed aliens is done exceptionally well

    I think the Aliens artist is OK

    Olivetti...his art isn't bad. His predators and aliens are just odd-looking. Everything else looks fine.

    From the reviews that I have read for each series, the writing has been quite solid except for the AVP title of course.

    Sebela doesn't get AvP, which is about showing how deadly the two species are...that hunter vs. prey dynamic (both are hunters and both are prey). Aliens vs. Predator should be the main event, mutants should be the sideshow. Sebela provides the opposite. 
  21. Ultramorph
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  22. DarthJoker45
    I can understand how you feel due to the abrupt ending, but what made it such an impressive book was how they captured the survival-horror elements of the Aliens franchise. Instead of following the formula of Cameron's film, they really followed the formula of Scott's film while tying it into the setting of Prometheus. I also do not think that they are going to leave the Aliens book in the dark. There are too many loose ends that were not explored in the other books.

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  23. Ultramorph
    I would love Williamson to do more Predator stories with Ahab. And yeah, Roberson and Tobin wrote their respective series well. It will be interesting to see if Dark Horse does more Prometheus comics in the future, or if this was a one-off thing.
  24. DarthJoker45
    Agreed. If Ferreyra and Alessio were contracted to do every new A/v/P/Prometheus comic for as long as they live, I'd be happy. The writing on FaS can definitely be criticized, but I think Dark Horse really took complaints about the art on previous events seriously when they were putting together the FaS team.

    From the reviews that I have read for each series, the writing has been quite solid except for the AVP title of course. I wouldn't mind for Roberson, Tobin, and especially Williamson to return to write their respective books. Just replace Sebela with someone who actually gets AVP.
  25. Ultramorph
    Agreed. If Ferreyra and Alessio were contracted to do every new A/v/P/Prometheus comic for as long as they live, I'd be happy. The writing on FaS can definitely be criticized, but I think Dark Horse really took complaints about the art on previous events seriously when they were putting together the FaS team.
  26. happypred
    We'll have to disagree on this one, my friend.

    Yeah

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    Sam Keith's work in Female War just disgusts me.

    That's exactly how I feel about TWW's art. I found Female War's art to be rather cartoonish but it didn't strike me as appallingly bad.

    I think we agree that the art below is some of the highest quality art to grace the franchise

    http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/0/40/4324839-6+pmtfso+pg+06.jpg
  27. Corporal Hicks
    We'll have to disagree on this one, my friend.

    Sam Keith's work in Female War just disgusts me. I'll give him Inhuman Condition on a re-read because it makes sense then. But Female War is the worse drawn comic I've seen from Aliens.
  28. happypred
    The art makes me quite tempted to pick up Omega.. Three World War needed art like this.

    Every single Aliens/Predator/AvP/Prometheus comic would benefit from art like this. A lot of props to the colourist as well. The colouring is really impressive. Great art still looks like shit with bad colouring

    Juan and Mooneyham are awesome too. I'm not as crazy about Olivetti and the Aliens guy.

    I've said it a million times and I'll say it again: 3WW's style suited the action scenes brilliantly. Just not when they were stood around talking. It's not the disaster that Sam Keith's work in Female War is.

    You are entitled to your opinion. Mine is that TWW's art is even worse than Female War's
  29. Corporal Hicks
    I've said it a million times and I'll say it again: 3WW's style suited the action scenes brilliantly. Just not when they were stood around talking. It's not the disaster that Sam Keith's work in Female War is.

    But yeah, Agustin Alessio's artwork is just extraordinary. Him and Juan Ferreyra have done fantastically for this line.
  30. Visceral_Mass
    I'm not suffering. I'm not the one that was vomited upon... :laugh:

    I don't care how good the art is, there is nothing that can remove the bad taste Prometheus (and the Fire and Stone writers) has vomited on the Aliens and Predator comic franchises.  :P

    May I ask what you don't like about Fire and Stone?

    Simple answer: I like Aliens, I like Predator, I don't like Prometheus. That movie did nothing to elevate the franchise just like these comics did nothing to elevate their respective series, IMO, of course.
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