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Author Topic: The Neomorphs  (Read 27235 times)

BishopShouldGo
Oct 28, 2016, 12:40:56 AM
Reply #225 on: Oct 28, 2016, 12:40:56 AM
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The movie sounds like a risk to me. Dark, gory, R-rated, no stars(not even Fassbender), expensive. It has the Alien name and Ridley to ride off of.


SiL
Oct 28, 2016, 12:42:45 AM
Reply #226 on: Oct 28, 2016, 12:42:45 AM
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Fassbender is a star.


System Apollo
Oct 28, 2016, 12:56:51 AM
Reply #227 on: Oct 28, 2016, 12:56:51 AM
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I often wonder if writers are actively told to avoid these sorts of things.  Like if it is on a list of producers notes they have during re-write time.  We often forget that when a re-write comes it carries a set of demands from various people involved with the production with it.  Often these ideas are completely insane egomaniac pieces so people can feel like the have actively given to the film. 

You are spot on. Producers are difficult to work with and your egocentric comment really takes it home. That is precisely what studios do if not checked by someone with a central vision.


Pvt. Himmel
Oct 28, 2016, 01:02:31 AM
Reply #228 on: Oct 28, 2016, 01:02:31 AM
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I wonder if Fassie caught hell from Ridley for the slip of the tongue?? :laugh:



Necronomicon II
Oct 28, 2016, 04:47:48 AM
Reply #230 on: Oct 28, 2016, 04:47:48 AM
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This is not a defence of their characterisations, but I don't think it follows that Milburn or Fifield were the best in their fields as I don't think any credible Scientist would accept an invitation to travel light-years into space without a single inkling as to why, no matter how handsomely they were payed in advance.
Ideally you would want nothing but the best in their field, but lest we forget the whole expedition was funded  by a dying megalomaniac in a desperate bid to extend his life so time was of the essence, corners were cut. Come to think of it, Weyland is like...Mr. Burns lol

Again, it would have been MUCH better if they were more credible as far as audience investment goes, as there are several intelligent ways to portray human foolishness and hubris without characters just acting like utter morons, regardless if that was a deliberate scripting choice.
And I don't think anyone wanted a dark-comedy per se. I can overlook most of it because Fassbender is just so good in every scene, and being juxtaposed against human morons makes him all the more sympathetic. Frankly he should have been the main character. 


Re the Martian and Watney not knowing Mars had soil, I don't quite follow, the book does go into much more detail but he knew exactly what he needed to do to make viable biomass via Martian soil, such as leaching out the perchlorates in the soil and separating them from the water.


System Apollo
Oct 28, 2016, 05:37:08 AM
Reply #231 on: Oct 28, 2016, 05:37:08 AM
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This is not a defence of their characterisations, but I don't think it follows that Milburn or Fifield were the best in their fields as I don't think any credible Scientist would accept an invitation to travel light-years into space without a single inkling as to why, no matter how handsomely they were payed in advance.
Ideally you would want nothing but the best in their field, but lest we forget the whole expedition was funded  by a dying megalomaniac in a desperate bid to extend his life so time was of the essence, corners were cut. Come to think of it, Weyland is like...Mr. Burns lol

Again, it would have been MUCH better if they were more credible as far as audience investment goes, as there are several intelligent ways to portray human foolishness and hubris without characters just acting like utter morons, regardless if that was a deliberate scripting choice.
And I don't think anyone wanted a dark-comedy per se. I can overlook most of it because Fassbender is just so good in every scene, and being juxtaposed against human morons makes him all the more sympathetic. Frankly he should have been the main character. 


Re the Martian and Watney not knowing Mars had soil, I don't quite follow, the book does go into much more detail but he knew exactly what he needed to do to make viable biomass via Martian soil, such as leaching out the perchlorates in the soil and separating them from the water.
FIRST PARAGRAPH:
Precisely, what do we know of the scientists beyond them being claimed they were the top in their field? Why would these scientists accept an offer to travel in a spaceship for a job they know nothing of? Sounds desperate and if you were top in your field you would not be desperate.

SECOND PARAGRAPH
That is why I consider weighing the film down based on Fifield and Milburn's incident as nonsense. It did not make sense in the grand scheme of things to begin with.

THIRD PARAGRAPH:
And then substituting the needed fertalizer with his own shit?
He also would have needed to extract suitable soil from dust.
Soil which is generally rare on Mars.


Necronomicon II
Oct 28, 2016, 06:02:31 AM
Reply #232 on: Oct 28, 2016, 06:02:31 AM
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Yeah human faeces is a stretch but it's still plausible, because to paraphrase Andy Weir the crew’s waste was completely desiccated, freeze-dried, and then dumped out on the surface of Mars and bagged, any pathogens in there would have been dead. Yeah it would certainly prove a difficult process, but Martian soil differs mostly with terrestrial soil in the amount of perchlorates, and its pH is a basic 8.3.
Plenty of Scientists have fact-checked it and it falls within the bounds of plausibility.   

« Last Edit: Oct 28, 2016, 06:08:56 AM by Necronomicon II »

HuDaFuK
Oct 28, 2016, 09:24:21 AM
Reply #233 on: Oct 28, 2016, 09:24:21 AM
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As for them not knowing doesn't excuse them stepping out for the expedition.

They had suits to deal with an inhospitable stratosphere.

The stupidity starts when everyone brazenly takes their helmet off for the lulz.

But to step out of the security of the ship and jump onto the terrain of an unknown planet to an unknown architecture which belongs to an unknown intelligent lifeform?

Potentially risky exploration is how most of the world was discovered. There's a big jump from that to petting a hitherto undiscovered alien lifeform that's seemingly acting aggressively because you think it's cute. Especially if your supposed to be an expert in fauna.

One is a hazard of the job, the other is going out of your way to be an idiot.

Yet the plain stupidity was the cinematic flair needed to propel the plot in this circumstance.

No, relying on characters making unrealistically moronic decisions to propel the plot is simply bad plotting.

Alien managed to achieve what it wanted without ever inducing the audience to scream, "Why are you such a f*cking moron?!" at the screen.

It's not that they characters are dumb, it's that they're so dumb I can't believe for even one moment that you'd spend millions, billions, trillions on sending an expedition to the farthest reaches of known space to potentially make first contact with intelligent alien life, and then crew the ship with such a bunch of retards. It completely undermines the entire movie for me.

I mean, the crew of the Nostromo were exponentially smarter than these guys and they were just blue-collar truckers.

I always felt if you add in the deleted scenes they work better as characters since they provide at least a touch of justification for their actions.

This. Unfortunately by deleting all of those moments the scientists come across as utterly incompetent f*ckwits.

« Last Edit: Oct 28, 2016, 09:31:13 AM by HuDaFuK »



Corporal Hicks
Oct 28, 2016, 10:57:34 AM
Reply #236 on: Oct 28, 2016, 10:57:34 AM
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I wonder if Fassie caught hell from Ridley for the slip of the tongue?? :laugh:

Probably got his head ripped off again lol

It wouldn't have been so bad had we not known about the name and some details from the film. lol. On it's own, it's an innocent enough thing to just let slip.


fiveways
Oct 28, 2016, 04:03:21 PM
Reply #237 on: Oct 28, 2016, 04:03:21 PM
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I often wonder if writers are actively told to avoid these sorts of things.  Like if it is on a list of producers notes they have during re-write time.  We often forget that when a re-write comes it carries a set of demands from various people involved with the production with it.  Often these ideas are completely insane egomaniac pieces so people can feel like the have actively given to the film. 

You are spot on. Producers are difficult to work with and your egocentric comment really takes it home. That is precisely what studios do if not checked by someone with a central vision.

The question is at what budget point does a singular creative force get overridden?  If you asked me when i wrote my original post late last night I would have had a different answer heh.

After the leaks today, I am sure Scott is getting 100% reign on this production.  Last time we all know that they were gunning for a PG-13 and missed due to one scene (why they didn't edit back in stuff after failing to get that rating I will never understand, like the Shaw/Engineer showdown).  Thank god for Deadpool showing FOX that Hard R movies still have a market and make money.


The Eighth Passenger
Oct 28, 2016, 04:22:15 PM
Reply #238 on: Oct 28, 2016, 04:22:15 PM
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I wonder if Fassie caught hell from Ridley for the slip of the tongue?? :laugh:

Probably got his head ripped off again lol

It wouldn't have been so bad had we not known about the name and some details from the film. lol. On it's own, it's an innocent enough thing to just let slip.

Agreed, Fassbender just slipped a name that's all. Although I saw some places reporting that Fassbender gave away all those details that you actually dug-up.

Anyway, Riddles and Fassie are thick as thieves. I really don't think he would have copped any flack for that little slip.


Corporal Hicks
Oct 28, 2016, 05:01:12 PM
Reply #239 on: Oct 28, 2016, 05:01:12 PM
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Agreed, Fassbender just slipped a name that's all. Although I saw some places reporting that Fassbender gave away all those details that you actually dug-up.

Quite a few places did. Is it that hard to actually read the f**king information. This is one of the big problems I have with Internet coverage. No-one f**king reads what they're actually reporting on.


 

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