Lindelof's fault? Sorry, it's Scott.

[PierreVW]

Wrath of Kahn is a good example your right there, but that was also a different director and a different direction with a smaller budget.

Wrath of Khan is kind of a loaded example.  Every time Star Trek hits a rough patch, they remake the Khan formula, and it's getting really old.  Also, it can be argued that Khan represented the beginning of Trek being taken away from Roddenberry.  I know some people can't wait for Roddenberry, George Lucas, or Ridley Scott to hand over the reigns of their creations, but I think it has always marked a decline in the quality of those franchises.  I'm not eager to see Ridley leave the project.  If Ridley leaves, that should be the end of the franchise.  No more tries.  We're nearing House of Frankenstein-levels of fan-bait crossover madness.

I agree.

Like I said before: FOX has too much respect for Sir Ridley Scott. The decision is up to him. FOX NEVER is going to fire him. And remember they still have plans for the future: THE CARTEL, BATTLE OF BRITAIN, etc....

Which is even scarier for Alien fans because Scott doesn't give a f**k since he has bigger projects to worry about. To Ridley, the Alienverse, the fans, etc. can f**k right off if A:C doesn't work out.

But that's great because Sir Ridley could leave by his own decision. Like you said: He has like 5 better offers than this franchise.

It would be WORSE it this was a Paul W.S. Anderson B-Level type of Director. Because it would made 6 BAD ALIEN movies back to back only because he has NO offers.

True. This was why I'm iffy about Blomkamp's A5. I like his artistic style and vision but is he a good director like Ridley? I'm not sure. Cameron did say the Script of A5 was gangbusters but that is Cameron. He said Terminator: Genysis and AVP were good too.

If you want the new/next James Cameron, is Michael Bay.

Michael Bay is The King of Action Movies just like James Cameron back in the day.

Neil Blomkamp is a VERY BAD copy of Paul Verhoeven. Blomkamp tries to be a Socialist but his social messages ALWAYS FAILED in his movies. Verhoeven was a Genious inserting his social messages in his films.

[fiveways]

Neil Blomkamp is a VERY BAD copy of Paul Verhoeven. Blomkamp tries to be a Socialist but his social messages ALWAYS FAILED in his movies. Verhoeven was a Genious inserting his social messages in his films.

Beyond the first 20-30 minutes of District 9 (the rest of the movie was the shits) and the short District 9 was based on I actually agree with this. 

[DestinyCaptain]

Scott is on a bit of an ego trip here. He wants all the acclaim. He wants his creation back under his control. He doesn't care about what the fans want.

It's so good to know we have someone speaking up for what all fans want. I thought I wanted Scott but apparently that's wrong.

You are reading too much into what I am saying. Scott doesn't care. Period. He's not a fan. Scott is after what he's interested in and I think that may not be ANYTHING that fanbase is interested in. It's indifferent to the fanbase and the franchise. It's indifferent to everything.

[BlackMatter169]

I'll happily spit venom at Scott for the sake of comedy, but I don't feel like it's entirely his fault. After all, he didn't write Alien Covenant or Prometheus. Though he did have say in what got filmed, so he isn't blameless either. I can't say for certain that he's going through a massive ego trip because I don't have all the facts, but that's the image I get when I hear what happened to Blomkamp's Alien 5 and look at the creative choices he's made in Prometheus and Alien: Covenant. Unless something comes out that suggests otherwise, that's just the impression I am going with.

[Hudson]

Scott is serving as the producer of these movies. The producer, not the director, is top dog on a professional film. These movies are literally Ridley Scott's fault.

[hollypops]

No it was totally Lindelof's fault and the aftershocks are still being felt due to the corner he painted Ridley into with his dumb writing and disposable mysteries ,it has taken Covenant to cleanse the palete.

[900SL]

No it was totally Lindelof's fault and the aftershocks are still being felt due to the corner he painted Ridley into with his dumb writing and disposable mysteries ,it has taken Covenant to cleanse the palete.

That doesn't tie up with the facts. Scott was interested in doing a 'Von Daniken' Chariots of the Gods' type movie to lead in to Alien. His ideas ARE the framework of Prometheus. And they are great ideas. It's just badly realised, and for that you have to look to the Director/Producers.

Lindelof didn't help, the script and plot holes in Prom are miles wide, but it is Ridleys baby.

[A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus]

Lindelof is a fool, but he was just following orders. It was Scott's who chose to rewrite Alien: Engineers to downplay the alien elements and make his Space Jesus bull**** the main focus. Covenant has the EXACT same flaws as Prometheus despite having different writers.

No, OP is right. Scott pulled a George Lucas and is listening to no one but himself at this point.

[oduodu]

O bannon and Giger was around for years. They should have approached them and asked for sequel/prequel  ideas when they were still available. Now irs too late.

[Jonesy1974]

Scott is on a bit of an ego trip here. He wants all the acclaim. He wants his creation back under his control. He doesn't care about what the fans want.

It's so good to know we have someone speaking up for what all fans want. I thought I wanted Scott but apparently that's wrong.

You are reading too much into what I am saying. Scott doesn't care. Period. He's not a fan. Scott is after what he's interested in and I think that may not be ANYTHING that fanbase is interested in. It's indifferent to the fanbase and the franchise. It's indifferent to everything.

So an eighty year old who can pick and choose just about any project he wants chose to make two films he doesn't care about? that makes no sense what so ever.

He may not care what the fans think and in my opinion he shouldn't either. Almost everyone on here has a different opinion on just about everything and argue the toss over the slightest little detail. You will never please everyone so you just have to go with what you believe in and hope it pleases the majority.

I'm a fan, i loved the film and i'm interested in its themes. Your a fan and you didn't. Neither of us are right or wrong so I fail to see how he can please the collective.

[palerider]

A KING REIGNS THEN HE DIES....................IT IS INEVITABLE

What lindelof !!!!..............You are SIR RIDLEY SCOTT for cryin out loud !!....You were supposed to have the reins in your hand ! not Lindelof , not Fox not anyone else for that matter.

[Corporal Hicks]

While Lindelof may have been the writer, he was still writing Ridley's ideas. I think it's pretty evident from the documentaries. And you can feel it in Spaihts' scripts as well. We get a few incomplete ideas that you can just tell was because Ridley came up with it the night before. Ridley has a much bigger hand in the narrative drive of the film and it suffers because he's not a writer. It's as plain and simple as that.

He can make lovely looking films but he can't write and he keeps getting too involved with the narrative.

[palerider]

While Lindelof may have been the writer, he was still writing Ridley's ideas. I think it's pretty evident from the documentaries. And you can feel it in Spaihts' scripts as well. We get a few incomplete ideas that you can just tell was because Ridley came up with it the night before. Ridley has a much bigger hand in the narrative drive of the film and it suffers because he's not a writer. It's as plain and simple as that.

He can make lovely looking films but he can't write and he keeps getting too involved with the narrative.

Boss ! then it means its time to hang his coat !

Prometheus......to be continued
+5 years
Covenant.......again to be continued....and we suckers waited 5 years for this.

I honestly think there won't be a sequel or a prequel...

A frustrated palerider.

[T Dog]

Just to clarify some misconceptions:
The black goo/scarabs and the space jockeys being tall white humanoids that were linked to mankind came from SPAIGHTS NOT LINDELOF!!!

Ridley got excited by Spaights' creatively lazy ideas  , as he does, and took the easy option with the Space Jockey.

Lindelof just took a writing gig and had the priveledge of working with Scott. He just did what he was told, simple as that.

[Gash]

No, OP is right. Scott pulled a George Lucas*....

Bullshit.

...and is listening to no one but himself at this point*.

Doing what a director should do then.


All this 'doesn't understand the franchise', 'doesn't care about fans' crap. These mysterious fans which you assume to speak for seem to stem from the 'it all started in 1986' tribe.