So what really happened with Prometheus?

Started by nanison, Dec 03, 2016, 01:40:55 AM

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WY-0311

That's your idea of a big question?
You ditch your beliefs or enter denial. The end.

The film leaves nothing to interpretation, so no I don't believe any questions are being raised at all. No one likes to watch a movie for fun just to get preached that Christ/Allah/Engineers are real, it brings nothing to the table and just gets met with skepticism.

If you have themes of God, suggestions that perhaps we were created by Engineers, that's different. You let the audience ponder and consider things.

But we don't get that, we get hit with 'they made us' and 'believe whatever for the sake of it' as the only alternative.

The big questions I had were what were the engineers going to bring to the party, answer was jack all.

Battleships using bioweapons in a distant war was what we were told about and all we get is a neglected base and a whacko engineer with the search to discover why creatures I don't actually believe exist, decided to make us...

Yawn.

SM

The film asks and answers the 'Did the Engineers makes us?' question.  The question to 'Why did the want to destroy us?' is sadly left untouched.

DorkiDori

Quote from: SM on Dec 04, 2016, 09:06:56 PM
The film asks and answers the 'Did the Engineers makes us?' question.  The question to 'Why did the want to destroy us?' is sadly left untouched.

this is why were getting Alien: Covenant ;)

SM

Hopefully.

klesk4ever

If they had pushed the Xenomorph at the side to focus on Engineers and provoke some serious ideas and questions (as in Blade Runner) I would get totally hooked, and I would embrace the whole trilogy of those movies as a welcoming addition that deepens the whole Alien franchise (certainly more welcoming than Alien Resurrection where we have Xenomorphs and Chestbusters and everything, but that doesn't add anything valuable to the Alien universe.

However, Prometheus didn't really touch me.

In Prometheus Human kind is obviously a spacefairing race that is teraforming other planets, and they have obviously never met another intelligent race.
The discovery of another intelligent race is something that would leave everyone in shock and with questions that would left them unable to sleep next night.
Everyone, the biologist, the religious, but also the garbageman, the policeman... everyone. Well... except maybe David.

The reaction of Prometheus crew?

Elizabeth and Charlie are the only ones excited about the discovery. Everybody else behaves like nothing special had happened.

And then they discover that we share DNA with engineers... that engineers are possibly our creators.
Again...  Elizabeth, Charlie and that female doctor seem excited.

The rest of the crew is too cool to be excited about discovery of another intelligent race, and possibly our creators.
And naturally I didn't feel one bit excited either.

And the movie was supposed to let us with this big question "why the engineers want to destroy the human race".

Shawn was the one that concluded that engineers used black goo as a weapon, and she concluded that engineers wanted to destroy the Earth, however... those are all wild speculations on her part.

It's not like she find a engineer memo or something that says "have breakfast, destroy earth, grab a shower"... the writer blames the audience of Lost for not tying the loose ends, however if audience has to tie too many loose ends then the writer leaves too many loose ends.

And finally, if one wants to make an epic trilogy than one writes the script for the whole trilogy before starting to film the first movie.
Going like this... three different movies, three different scripts, and probably three different writers will most probably end up as giant mess.

SM

QuoteShawn was the one that concluded that engineers used black goo as a weapon, and she concluded that engineers wanted to destroy the Earth, however... those are all wild speculations on her part.

They're not 'wild speculations'.  She's seen what comes out of the vases, then sees a stack of the them on the ship, and ship was headed for Earth.

QuoteAnd finally, if one wants to make an epic trilogy than one writes the script for the whole trilogy before starting to film the first movie.

Lucas didn't.  Original drafts for Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi are very different from the final films.

klesk4ever

Quote from: SM on Dec 05, 2016, 01:05:23 AM
QuoteShawn was the one that concluded that engineers used black goo as a weapon, and she concluded that engineers wanted to destroy the Earth, however... those are all wild speculations on her part.

They're not 'wild speculations'.  She's seen what comes out of the vases, then sees a stack of the them on the ship, and ship was headed for Earth.

QuoteAnd finally, if one wants to make an epic trilogy than one writes the script for the whole trilogy before starting to film the first movie.

Lucas didn't.  Original drafts for Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi are very different from the final films.

The ship was filled with vases of black goo and the course was set to Earth 2000 years ago.
So yeah, I would bet that they had intended to release the black goo on our planet, and we had seen the results of black goo in contact with organic creatures.

So yeah, they would pretty much destroy the Earth the way it is now. But maybe the real reason is not because they wanted to destroy us, but because they wanted to create those mutations. Maybe we are just sacrificial sheeps in their grand scheme of things.

I'm saying that reasons for our destruction may be more complicated than "we wanted to destroy you".

And true about the Star Wars. But Star Wars was still written by a single writer.

SM

QuoteBut maybe the real reason is not because they wanted to destroy us, but because they wanted to create those mutations.

Same result.  Humanity would cease to exist and be replaced by the mutations.  Ridley has said that what happened to the decapitated explody head Engineer would happen to Charlie and Fifield ultimately, which if so, would kill the mutations too.

klesk4ever

Quote from: SM on Dec 05, 2016, 01:41:18 AM
QuoteBut maybe the real reason is not because they wanted to destroy us, but because they wanted to create those mutations.

Same result.  Humanity would cease to exist and be replaced by the mutations.  Ridley has said that what happened to the decapitated explody head Engineer would happen to Charlie and Fifield ultimately, which if so, would kill the mutations too.

Still the real question is not "why do you want to destroy us" but "why are you taking giant spaceship with a bunch of vials filled with black goo to the earth".

I just have a feeling that black goo is something more than a weapon. I could be wrong, we shall see :)

SM

QuoteStill the real question is not "why do you want to destroy us" but "why are you taking giant spaceship with a bunch of vials filled with black goo to the earth".

Same thing.  The goo destroyed Charlie and Fifield.  It'll do the same to other humans it comes into contact with.

klesk4ever

Quote from: SM on Dec 05, 2016, 03:03:50 AM
QuoteStill the real question is not "why do you want to destroy us" but "why are you taking giant spaceship with a bunch of vials filled with black goo to the earth".

Same thing.  The goo destroyed Charlie and Fifield.  It'll do the same to other humans it comes into contact with.

If those two things are same to you than we obviously think on different levels.
So this discussion is over.


SiL

The goo destroys. They know the Engineers know the goo destroys. So if the Engineers know what the goo does, and are taking it to Earth, it's safe to assume they've gone to ... destroy.

whiterabbit

Yea the goo is bad but the question is "why do they want to delete us". It could be because we are assholes.

klesk4ever

Quote from: SiL on Dec 05, 2016, 03:25:12 AM
The goo destroys. They know the Engineers know the goo destroys. So if the Engineers know what the goo does, and are taking it to Earth, it's safe to assume they've gone to ... destroy.

But the black goo also creates.

Even if organism directly infected with goo would explode, or decompose or whatever.
The deacon was created by the black goo.

And the question of intention is valid.
Was their intention just to destroy us.
Or to use us to create something else.

SiL

Quote from: klesk4ever on Dec 05, 2016, 03:37:09 AM
But the black goo also creates.
The goo itself is only ever shown destroying. Shaw and Charlie create, the best the goo does is corrupt. The corruption goes on to create.

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