Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Jan 03, 2008, 04:54:38 PM
How do you think it was handled?
Initially, when I heard there was one Predator I thought it was great. I'm not a fan of Predators hunting together, and I feel it should always only be one Predator.
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For me personally this was one of the biggest flaws in the movie. From a very early stage I knew that this Predator was not going to die until the very end of the movie ergo all battles until that point became a foregone conclusion. Straight away this makes it difficult to become immersed in the movie, because I know who will win the fights before they start and any attempt to create thrills are moot. The problem was it didn't even feel like there was much attempt at making the fights thrilling. At no point did I ever think "Uh oh how is he gonna get out of this one?" or "Wow that really demonstrated his skill as an elite Predator".
Indeed. Some points it seemed he was some Elite hunter, but other he just looked like a jackass. I had faith initially that he could win these seemingly impossible fights with some creativity, but most of them were just unbelievable.
QuoteExamples of poorly handled script immunity include;
Sewer fight - Gets jumped by 2 Aliens who flail around and are completely useless. After being smashed into/through a wall by the Predalien and getting covered in rubble the Aliens... run away? The Predalien just layed the smackdown on the Predator and it... RUNS AWAY?!
I honestly didn't mind this one as it showed the Predalien was far stronger than him and at the same time it showed that the Predalien's priority was to get to the surface and find host, truely being the Alpha Alien of the situation.
QuoteStore Showdown - The Predator has lost a shoulder cannon and is facing down 2 Aliens, is he in trouble? What's going to happen? Who knows because all we get is a plasma shot blowing out a window and then the next time we see him, he's fine.
Worst and most stupid moment of the film. Could have been a great scene. So shit.
QuotePower plant fight - Does himself a mischief and gets pushed onto a spike. Ouch. Where's the Alien that did the pushing? No where to be found which is lucky because the Predator is immobile and practically blind due to the interference the plant is causing.
I thought it was coming for him, but he blasted at it so it fled.
QuoteHospital fight - Predalien once again smashes the Predator through a wall leaving him dazed and confused... closes in for the killing blow. Predator gives it a flesh wound from his blades and it... retreats in pain? In fear? Who knows. All I know is the Predalien seems to be doing a lot of retreating in this movie.
He cracks out his Pistol and it backs into cover. It was being smart. The same can't be said for the other Alien though.
QuoteRicky unloads an entire ammo clip from his assault rifle at the Predator. Dispite the fact the Predator isn't wearing much armour, not a single bullet ever hits an exposed piece of flesh. Every single shot ricocheted off his mask or shoulder.
No problem with this. The same thing happens in Predator 2. Ricky was most likely aiming at the head.
QuoteThen an Alien ploughs into him and they fall down an Elevator shaft... which evidently causes him no trouble because he's back unscathed for the rooftop finale.
Once again, a wasted opportunity. Could have been so much more.
QuoteRooftop finale - After the Predalien disarms him of pretty much everything except his wristblades, it desides to start slapping him around and we get the infamous boxing match scene
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No problem so far. A bit silly at times though.
QuoteThen after giving him a bit of a beating, it just stands there like a lemon while the Predator does a little strip tease.
The biggest WTF moment of Alien and Predators career in cinema. Not to mention a poorly executed homage.
QuoteNow, dispite the fact that the Predalien has no thermal signature, dispite the fact that Predators see in infra red and dispite the fact the Wolf is BLIND IN ONE EYE... he is still capable of engaging the Predalien in combat with his bare hands and is even able to catch its inner jaw mid-strike. This then leads us to a scene where the Predalien begins vomiting blood everywhere which somehow never falls onto the Predator, or the Predator is simply immune to it. After almost 80 minutes the Predator's immunity finally runs out and the Predalien is permited to spear him through the chest.
Never thought about the Thermal thing before, but you have a point. There would be no way for him to see it according to Predator and Predator 2, and the beginning of AVPR. I liked the fact he caught the head striker, but what I didn't like was the fact the Predalien missed with the head bite about 5 times. What the f**k? Not to mention, as you said, no a drop of acid hits him. He should've been drenched.
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All these examples basically make it impossible for me to become immersed because they constantly made me think "this is stupid" or "why didn't X do Y instead?". Movies don't necessarily have to follow "real" logic but this one didn't even seem to bother with "internal" movie logic either, which made suspension of disbelief a mammoth struggle.
It was a real 50/50 thing for me. Sometimes I was like 'cool', others I was sighing a lot. The main thing that got to me was the fact that he just wasted everyone with his Shoulder Cannon, and that some of the fights just ended.
But in the end, is Wolf really an Elite Predator? Compared to Scar etc? I suppose so. But compared to Jungle Hunter and City Hunter? No way. He's just a slightly less skilled but more heavily armed version of them.