Title: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill and David Giler’s Alien 2 Storynotes
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 23, 2020, 05:19:45 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 23, 2020, 05:19:45 PM
In a franchise where Alien 3 exists, it's easy for films with less complicated narrative developments to be seen as having a simple journey. But what we might tend to forget is that there are countless pitches and treatments that are never heard of outside of studio executives, a point that was re-iterated to us recently in our interview with screenwriter Alex Litvak who shared the various pitches and attempts he'd made in an effort to get Predator 3, and then a 4, put into production.
Just think of all those Alien 5 and Predator 3 pitches and treatments that are probably locked away in a vault at 20th Century Studios! But sometimes we do hear about some of those pitches or treatments. Back in 2019 I wrote a piece on the Alien 2's that never happened, talking about all the possible directions that we heard about that the Alien sequel could have gone.
While James Cameron's Aliens had a fairly straight forward narrative development, with the details from his treatment to finished script remaining largely consistent – with some interesting could-have-beens – the storynotes that Walter Hill and David Giler had handed the writer/director were a fair bit different!
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Title: Re: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill and David Giler’s Alien 2 Storynotes
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 23, 2020, 05:21:04 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 23, 2020, 05:21:04 PM
And video version :)
Title: Re: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill a...
Post by: KiramidHead on Oct 24, 2020, 05:47:48 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Oct 24, 2020, 05:47:48 PM
"The Planet of the Spotted Dick..." :laugh:
Title: Re: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill and David Giler’s Alien 2 Storynotes
Post by: razeak on Oct 25, 2020, 04:07:14 PM
Post by: razeak on Oct 25, 2020, 04:07:14 PM
More evidence Alien was the perfect storm of everyone involved and the timing.
Title: Re: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill and David Giler’s Alien 2 Storynotes
Post by: oduodu on Oct 25, 2020, 06:11:42 PM
Post by: oduodu on Oct 25, 2020, 06:11:42 PM
so fox was literally sold lock stock and barrel. I thought it was only the management that was changed not ownership. what on earth happened that made it necessary to sell the company? I mean that pretty drastic isn't it? thanks Corporal. nice article.
Title: Re: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill and David Giler’s Alien 2 Storynotes
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 25, 2020, 06:19:11 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 25, 2020, 06:19:11 PM
Quote from: oduodu on Oct 25, 2020, 06:11:42 PM
so fox was literally sold lock stock and barrel. I thought it was only the management that was changed not ownership. what on earth happened that made it necessary to sell the company? I mean that pretty drastic isn't it? thanks Corporal. nice article.
Fox went up for sale, Disney was the highest bidder and thus, Disney now owns the entirety 20th Century
Title: Re: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill and David Giler’s Alien 2 Storynotes
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 25, 2020, 06:25:09 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 25, 2020, 06:25:09 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 23, 2020, 05:21:04 PM
And video version :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XqRwQu57J0
I'll take the video 8)
Thanks!
Title: Re: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill and David Giler’s Alien 2 Storynotes
Post by: Kradan on Oct 25, 2020, 06:40:22 PM
Post by: Kradan on Oct 25, 2020, 06:40:22 PM
Quote from: razeak on Oct 25, 2020, 04:07:14 PM
More evidence Alien was the perfect storm of everyone involved and the timing.
Isn't article about Aliens though ?
Title: Re: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill and David Giler’s Alien 2 Storynotes
Post by: oduodu on Oct 25, 2020, 07:58:04 PM
Post by: oduodu on Oct 25, 2020, 07:58:04 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 25, 2020, 06:19:11 PMQuote from: oduodu on Oct 25, 2020, 06:11:42 PM
so fox was literally sold lock stock and barrel. I thought it was only the management that was changed not ownership. what on earth happened that made it necessary to sell the company? I mean that pretty drastic isn't it? thanks Corporal. nice article.
Fox went up for sale, Disney was the highest bidder and thus, Disney now owns the entirety 20th CenturyFoxStudios. That means FX, Searchlight, Fox's stake in Hulu, all of their in-development projects (like the Avatar sequels), the entire backlog, the whole shebang.
hi nightmare asylum
I was referring to this quote from the full article:
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when 20th Century Fox was purchased by Marc Rich and Marvin Davis, the new management had had no interest in working on anything that the previous CEO Alan Ladd had been interested in
end quote.
was it because Allan Ladd left? did the owners of fox sell to new owners between alien and aliens? what was the reason for that?
Title: Re: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill and David Giler’s Alien 2 Storynotes
Post by: son_of_kane on Oct 26, 2020, 02:18:09 PM
Post by: son_of_kane on Oct 26, 2020, 02:18:09 PM
I shall be eternally grateful to Alan Ladd Jr. He greenlit Alien and Star Wars, and the production company he formed after he left Fox was behind Blade Runner. He was also the one who suggested that Ripley should be a woman, which led to Sigourney getting the role. He was a visionary.
Title: Re: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill and David Giler’s Alien 2 Storynotes
Post by: oduodu on Oct 26, 2020, 03:06:22 PM
Post by: oduodu on Oct 26, 2020, 03:06:22 PM
Quote from: son_of_kane on Oct 26, 2020, 02:18:09 PM
I shall be eternally grateful to Alan Ladd Jr. He greenlit Alien and Star Wars, and the production company he formed after he left Fox was behind Blade Runner. He was also the one who suggested that Ripley should be a woman, which led to Sigourney getting the role. He was a visionary.
unbelievable that the new owners didn't want anything to do with him. what was the name of his production company?
Title: Re: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill and David Giler’s Alien 2 Storynotes
Post by: son_of_kane on Oct 26, 2020, 03:20:31 PM
Post by: son_of_kane on Oct 26, 2020, 03:20:31 PM
The Ladd Company.
Title: Re: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill and David Giler’s Alien 2 Storynotes
Post by: oduodu on Nov 05, 2020, 02:04:13 PM
Post by: oduodu on Nov 05, 2020, 02:04:13 PM
https://books.google.co.za/books?id=gRk4ZnFyQrAC&pg=PA107&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false
check out this from page 182 is osme history from fox. seems alan ladd and co wanted to leave after disputes over payments and increses ext. as they feel they were warranted to it for the sucesses they had. when they left it seeems investors also left and the company went broke or suffered at leat.
please correct me if i am wrong.
check out this from page 182 is osme history from fox. seems alan ladd and co wanted to leave after disputes over payments and increses ext. as they feel they were warranted to it for the sucesses they had. when they left it seeems investors also left and the company went broke or suffered at leat.
please correct me if i am wrong.
Title: Re: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill and David Giler’s Alien 2 Storynotes
Post by: T Dog on Nov 08, 2020, 11:07:12 AM
Post by: T Dog on Nov 08, 2020, 11:07:12 AM
Quote from: son_of_kane on Oct 26, 2020, 02:18:09 PM
I shall be eternally grateful to Alan Ladd Jr. He greenlit Alien and Star Wars, and the production company he formed after he left Fox was behind Blade Runner. He was also the one who suggested that Ripley should be a woman, which led to Sigourney getting the role. He was a visionary.
That's something I think about sporadically. Someone should interview him about these things specifically or do a doc on him.
Title: Re: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill and David Giler’s Alien 2 Storynotes
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 08, 2020, 12:14:46 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 08, 2020, 12:14:46 PM
He was featured in CdL's documentary.
Title: Re: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill and David Giler’s Alien 2 Storynotes
Post by: T Dog on Nov 08, 2020, 01:06:03 PM
Post by: T Dog on Nov 08, 2020, 01:06:03 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 08, 2020, 12:14:46 PM
He was featured in CdL's documentary.
Link/Info?
Title: Re: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill and David Giler’s Alien 2 Storynotes
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 08, 2020, 03:19:17 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 08, 2020, 03:19:17 PM
The documentaries on the Quadrilogy/Anthology. Specifically the Alien one, The Beast Within.
Title: Re: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill and David Giler’s Alien 2 Storynotes
Post by: T Dog on Nov 08, 2020, 05:24:18 PM
Post by: T Dog on Nov 08, 2020, 05:24:18 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 08, 2020, 03:19:17 PM
The documentaries on the Quadrilogy/Anthology. Specifically the Alien one, The Beast Within.
Aaaaah CdL = Charles DeLauzaurika! The Beast Within is my all time favourite making of doc.
Title: Re: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill and David Giler’s Alien 2 Storynotes
Post by: Kradan on Nov 09, 2020, 01:01:34 AM
Post by: Kradan on Nov 09, 2020, 01:01:34 AM
Yeah, it confuses me too to this day
Title: Re: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill and David Giler’s Alien 2 Storynotes
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Nov 09, 2020, 10:49:21 AM
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Nov 09, 2020, 10:49:21 AM
Some great info there
Title: Re: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill and David Giler’s Alien 2 Storynotes
Post by: Stitch on Nov 09, 2020, 05:22:04 PM
Post by: Stitch on Nov 09, 2020, 05:22:04 PM
Quote from: T Dog on Nov 08, 2020, 05:24:18 PMHoly crap. Never realised the acronym til now! Thanks! :laugh:Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 08, 2020, 03:19:17 PM
The documentaries on the Quadrilogy/Anthology. Specifically the Alien one, The Beast Within.
Aaaaah CdL = Charles DeLauzaurika! The Beast Within is my all time favourite making of doc.
Title: Re: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill and David Giler’s Alien 2 Storynotes
Post by: bb-15 on Nov 12, 2020, 11:27:21 PM
Post by: bb-15 on Nov 12, 2020, 11:27:21 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 23, 2020, 05:21:04 PM
While James Cameron's Aliens had a fairly straight forward narrative development, with the details from his treatment to finished script remaining largely consistent – with some interesting could-have-beens – the storynotes that Walter Hill and David Giler had handed the writer/director were a fair bit different!...
And video version :)
A nice read. Well done.
How the major Hollywood studio system works in getting films produced is interesting in terms of the Alien franchise.
The topic of how the studios work for any film can be interesting to some movie nerds (like me) :laugh:
There is a natural conflict between the writer, the producer and the film studio executives.
A movie which describes this is "The Player"; from 1992 starring Tim Robbins.
https://www.amazon.com/Player-Tim-Robbins/dp/B01FYN1ZUG
PS. Because you embedded a YouTube video in your comment, I was able to find the AVPGalaxy YouTube channel.
I subscribed.
;)
Title: Re: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill and David Giler’s Alien 2 Storynotes
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 13, 2020, 08:58:47 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 13, 2020, 08:58:47 AM
Thanks for the sub! ;D
Title: Re: ‘Then Some Other Bullshit Happens’ – Walter Hill and David Giler’s Alien 2 Storynotes
Post by: bb-15 on Nov 14, 2020, 01:30:38 AM
Post by: bb-15 on Nov 14, 2020, 01:30:38 AM