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According to the good folk over at The Perfect Organism Podcast, 20th Century Fox and Netflix produced and completed an Alien vs. Predator anime! Unfortunately they haven’t shared any specific details – is it an original story, or an adaptation of the fan-favourite original comic series – but it’s interesting none-the-less!

“Before 20th Century Fox completed their merger with the Walt Disney Company, Perfect Organism: The Alien Saga Podcast was in regular contact with several key players at Fox. During that time it was revealed to us that an Alien vs. Predator anime was completed for Netflix and then never released. It is unknown if and/or when it will be released.”

Though we can’t corroborate this specific piece, Alien vs. Predator Galaxy can also confirm that prior to the Disney purchase of 20th Century Fox they had been quite open to, and had at least entertained the possibility of, exploring the Alien universe in other animated Alien adventures!

Originally introduced in 2019’s Alien: Echo, Olivia Shipp was set to receive a lot of focus leading up to the release of Cold Iron’s Aliens shooter. Had Aliens: Colonial Marines – Rising Threat not been cancelled, we’d have been just over half-way through Olivia Shipp’s debut comic series.

And as Alien vs. Predator Galaxy understands it, Olivia was also set to have her own series of animated shorts which would have seen an aged General Shipp looking back over her life and career in the Colonial Marines, where she would encounter the Aliens once again. We would have found out that Zula and Amanda were responsible for her rescue, and Zula inspired Olivia to join the marines.

What do you think of the possibility of a complete Alien vs. Predator anime sitting unreleased in 20th Century Studio and Netflix’s vaults? Or the concept of seeing other animated Alien material? Let us know down in the comments section below.

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I hope it gets released some day.

I think the idea of a completed show with absolutely no hint but this one reveal is super dubious, but stranger things have happened I guess.

Quote from: SiL on Feb 29, 2020, 09:21:29 PM
but stranger things have happened I guess.

Was that a pun?

Mercifully no.

Quote from: SiL on Feb 29, 2020, 09:21:29 PM
I think the idea of a completed show with absolutely no hint but this one reveal is super dubious, but stranger things have happened I guess.

This.

But if true....

(https://media.giphy.com/media/dWEk3w1Uo97qw/giphy.gif)

Then it better get a physical release.

Are these guys still trying to get their Alien script looked at with Fox?  Or they burning bridges now?

No. ****ing. Way. :o

Followed immediately by:

Release it! Release it release it release it! :laugh:

Quote from: SiL on Feb 29, 2020, 09:21:29 PM
I think the idea of a completed show with absolutely no hint but this one reveal is super dubious, but stranger things have happened I guess.

This for sure. But it would certainly be awesome if it were true.

Everything that disney touches it destroys it, either literally or it turns it into trash, like the Star Wars and Marvel brands.
The Alien Versus Predator concept is an endless source of great ideas that is never exploited, i want a movie, i want a video game, comic books, this anime, i want quality Alien Versus Predator stuff.

Netflix probably holds the television rights to do this and so with Disney now owning Fox it means that they'd probably have to renegotiate. It's also possible that Netflix would hold the rights for a certain amount of time and Disney has so far let Alien and Predator content role out as is. It's possible Disney just doesn't know about it or found out late enough and had no immediate plans for it that they didn't bother getting it released and are just waiting out the timer.

Assuming of course this series actually exists.

Super hyped! Would love to see it

Waaaat? Talk about being kept under the highest level of secrecy. How could this have been missed during its production? Not one bit of news regarding its existence? Crazy.

Release it!

Wow.!!!! If its bad they would have released it anyway. If it were freakin awesome you can bet they will want to make more,market it better and push for a game or something.

Quote from: SM on Feb 29, 2020, 10:43:05 PM
Are these guys still trying to get their Alien script looked at with Fox?  Or they burning bridges now?

So this is legit?

Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2020, 01:51:01 AM

Quote from: SM on Feb 29, 2020, 10:43:05 PM
Are these guys still trying to get their Alien script looked at with Fox?  Or they burning bridges now?

So this is legit?

Rabbit inc. is the one handling Burning Bridges.  ;)

Unless SM just dropped an Easter Egg.

Spoiler

But my money is on it being nonexistent.

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Saying the PO guys are burning bridges by announcing this could either mean it's totally full of shit, or it's totally legit and they just f**ked up by talking about it. Sounded like the latter.

I smell Blomkamp technique (https://i.imgur.com/XwbmHly.png?1)

Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2020, 01:51:01 AM

Quote from: SM on Feb 29, 2020, 10:43:05 PM
Are these guys still trying to get their Alien script looked at with Fox?  Or they burning bridges now?

So this is legit?

Is there a completed AvP animated series?  Don't know.

Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2020, 04:05:39 AM

Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2020, 01:51:01 AM

Quote from: SM on Feb 29, 2020, 10:43:05 PM
Are these guys still trying to get their Alien script looked at with Fox?  Or they burning bridges now?

So this is legit?

Is there a completed AvP animated series?  Don't know.

Don't make me be good cop. I'll butter you up six ways to Sunday.

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Want some cookies muthaf**ka?

To me, animation = not scary.

Sorry, but I've never been scared of a single piece of animation.  I literally just had this realization.  And I do appreciate good animation mind you.  I just don't think it would work for the series.  Curiously some of the comics work very well.  Go figure...

I'd only be excited about this rumour, if it were a prelude to a big budget, live action ALIENS VS PREDATOR movie reboot (done right).

I grew out of and got bored of comics, toys, maquettes, fantasy lead figures, anime and video games when I was 11 years old.

To correct, this would be the first aliens animation series. Remember the red herring that was the "cancelled aliens colonial marines anmated series" (based on stills). That turned out to be an alternative advert for the Kenner toyline, which eventually used kids roleplaying with the actual toys instead?

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Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 01, 2020, 04:33:29 AMTo me, animation = not scary.

True. Even the most "extreme anime" has to overcompensate with stylised violence to even register (urotsukidoji, fist of the north star, ninja scroll). but ultimately the result is more comedic, rather than impactful.

I would also say alien or predator is no longer scary either as we know the creatures powers and abilities. Forgettable, disposible, unrelatable characters doesn't help matters either.

Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2020, 04:05:39 AM

Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2020, 01:51:01 AM

Quote from: SM on Feb 29, 2020, 10:43:05 PM
Are these guys still trying to get their Alien script looked at with Fox?  Or they burning bridges now?

So this is legit?

Is there a completed AvP animated series?  Don't know.

Fair.

I do think it best we know as little as possible or nothing at all on any future anything involving avp or predator untill it is done and on it's way out. I want everything to be a surprise and better then what i have come to expect.

they never get it right. anime? f**k that. greenlight a live action avp movie, get a great script writer that knows both franchises well, get a great director and have a great budget for it. its that simple. now the execution is different. but the starting process is very simple as I just said of all the things that have to be placed to attempt to make a great avp movie. but fox never listens to there fans and they never will. instead they just keep putting out shit movies after shit movies.

It could be good. Depending on the anime style. If it's the silly "Lolicon Overly Cutesy Bullshit" it'll suck. If it's done in the way of Castlevania or old school Berserk (the 1997 Anime) then it'll look amazing. Which means they need to pick the right lead and team. Since the peeps behind the 1997 Berserk aren't around for it, the next best bet would be Adi Shankar (Developer of Castlevania on Netflix). Granted IDK if he'd be into a sci-fi setting, but my bet is he'd make it badass.

QuoteTo me, animation = not scary.

To me, AvP = not scary.

I feel trying to make AvP legitimately terrifying would be a waste of energy.

Exciting and tense and suspenseful, sure. Scary, not so much

Computer graphics would be the best bet in my opinion. I'll watch anything avp though and pay for it

I'm all for an AvP anime, personally. I think a stylized art style would work pretty well for the conflict. I'd also never say go for scary or horror, just straight up thrilling and suspense. I'd be all over this.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2020, 12:45:54 PM
I'm all for an AvP anime, personally. I think a stylized art style would work pretty well for the conflict. I'd also never say go for scary or horror, just straight up thrilling and suspense. I'd be all over this.

Exactly my feelings towards it.  :)

This is some crazy news! But if it's truly done then I'd assume we will eventually see it. If Netflix co-produced it then there may be some red tape but they still have the Marvel shows that they co-produced with Disney/Marvel which certainly don't have a place on Disney+ as they're all rated TV-MA. Guess we just have to wait and see, but very intriguing news nonetheless.

Yeah for me AvP has always felt more like scifi action suspense. I think you could do an amazing small scale straight up horror film with AvP, like one predator and one alien and a great script in between. But I think that would take a real talent to do it right.

Anyway I would be happy with an anime if done right. It would be great to see a castlevania style version of the original comic series.

I don't think I'd be too interested in seeing an AvP anime, but for the sake of other fellow fans I'd hope that it would get released someday, if it indeed does exist.  Doesn't appeal to me, but different strokes.

Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Mar 01, 2020, 04:34:13 AM

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 01, 2020, 04:33:29 AMTo me, animation = not scary.

True. Even the most "extreme anime" has to overcompensate with stylised violence to even register (urotsukidoji, fist of the north star, ninja scroll). but ultimately the result is more comedic, rather than impactful.

I would also say alien or predator is no longer scary either as we know the creatures powers and abilities. Forgettable, disposible, unrelatable characters doesn't help matters either.

Right.  When it comes to making them scary, as they were the first time the two creatures were unveiled, I have a hard time believing that we can tap back into that same energy again.  Creepy/suspenseful, yes.  But outright terrifying? 

While it's cool they're doing something with the AvP license, I think back to last year with that awful Alien Isolation series they did. It makes me wonder if somebody at Disney just watched this new anime and thought the quality was too bad to release. If Netflix is attached, it's gotta be somewhat decent. Wasn't there a report years ago of a possible Aliens anime?

This news is... odd. If it is true, then I wonder why it was scrapped; the only two real things I can think are that it's good and Disney wants to use it under one of their own services rather than Netflix, and there's a lot of legal navigating to do there, or it is bad and they never want it to see the light of day.

To be honest, as interesting as this little tidbit of news is, I just quite frankly don't care about the AVP license at all these days. If it releases will I watch it? Sure, of course I will. And I would love for it to be good. But Alien vs Predator just really isn't my cup of tea and I was totally fine with the idea of the two franchises going their separate ways for good after 2007.

I said it before, but my preferred take on Alien in animation would be a sort of anime anthology, a la The Animatrix or Halo Legends, showcasing a variety of creative teams and art styles.

If it was completed maybe it's just being rebranded and they are waiting to make sure it fits their plans going forward. As long as it's not that horrible CGI style anime I'm all in.

-TJ88

Now that's bullshit. They released the AI series mess instead of this? I have been begging for an AVP anime for years. Are they trying to piss me off in purpose?

I have my doubts Disney cancelled this seeing as they seem to have left both franchises as is. While it seems some things had been in development before the merger and name change a lot of this could've been scrapped. The Disney era so far has seen them leaving Dark Horse and Fox to as far as we know their own devices. Alien books are plenty and Predator has a new game as well as merchandise. If Disney was going to step in we would've seen it by now. So far nothing's changed.

What's weird about all of this is really that nothing came up beforehand. I have a hard time believing this existed because we would've seen a trademark for something or seen merchandise. The only connection I can make was The Predator's re-shoot alternate endings of the person in the pod, but the timeline makes no sense and they scrapped the person for the Predator killer anyways. There is only less than a year between The Predator and Disney buying Fox (I think about seven months?). So if it was developed during The Predator it was made in record time. Otherwise if it was made prior to 2018, what was stopping Netflix from releasing it? And then why wasn't there a press-release? 2017 saw a new Alien movie, 2018 had a new Predator coming, so where was AVP in all of this while the franchises are still fresh in everyone's mind? How do we find out about something like this now? A few people with undisclosed sources saying an entire series just..., exists?

Now sure it could've been developed during the merger but seeing the writing on the wall about Disney wanting the catalog and having a series made nobody will see anyways? That's kind of dumb even for then current management. Like why would it be a Netflix exclusive knowing your stuff is going to likely be on Hulu or Disney+? And even then if it's completed...., why is Netflix holding it hostage? Netflix has crap on it. Let's not pretend they're above a bad show or movie, they put out the Godzilla anime they have no shame. If it's a licensing agreement and know Disney wont have their products on a competing platform, what do they have to gain from producing something no one will see? Netflix just can't have an indefinite license and if they did, where is that press-release?

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 01, 2020, 11:57:34 PMThe only connection I can make was The Predator's re-shoot alternate endings of the person in the pod

Oh God, the horror...

If they do it properly it would be great, but it needs to take place wayyy in the future and not on earth and the only humans should be space marines or deep space miners.

Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2020, 10:18:27 AM

QuoteTo me, animation = not scary.

To me, AvP = not scary.

That is why it fails...

Mostly... mostly

The more I think about it the less sense it all makes. Is it even possible in 2020 to have a series like this done & finished without something leaking or getting out?

It has now.

Seeing that Netflix Castlevania being a successful mature dark horror and action based on the videogame series with its 3rd Season on the way, how would an AVP series not fair too? Other shows like Devilman Crybaby were also killin it on ratings and such.
I'll never get the whole "its animated so its not for me" kind of deal. It can look good too (provided that there is great writing backing it up too or else it be a polished turd)

Different people like different kinds of animation.

I'm not a fan of modern anime stuff myself. But when it comes to alien and predator, content is content. And new content is good.

Hi. WHY ????? why to loose Time and money to do that ? Rather than spending money on this , please finish the Alien serie   Covenant 2 ( awakening ?)     Or a good new Predator movie. Or a good new AVP movie
There's already enough anime at Disney. Enough crap please Why do they want to kill theses 2 franchises ?????
Regards

Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 02, 2020, 01:03:31 AM
The more I think about it the less sense it all makes. Is it even possible in 2020 to have a series like this done & finished without something leaking or getting out?

I was thinking the same thing... but then I thought of Predator Hunting Grounds, where an exclusive Playstation Game came out of nowhere, an announcement accompanied with a reveal trailer, and even us mega-Predator-fans had no idea it was even in the works!  So yes, it IS possible.  :)

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2019/05/09/predator-hunting-grounds-new-multiplayer-predator-game-announced-for-2020/

I'll share the screen cap later, but one of the franchise consultants confirmed on Facebook this was a thing.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 02, 2020, 05:12:28 PM
I'll share the screen cap later, but one of the franchise consultants confirmed on Facebook this was a thing.

Wow....

Wait. Was a thing? Or still is a thing?

"Was a thing" in that it was planned, or "was a thing" in that it got made completely and shelved?

Cats out of the bag now, they should just release a statement and drop it on Netflix for all to see. ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/qboMpSt.png)

Annoyingly I can't remember which group this was in now.

So true that the whole show was completed and shelved? Dang.

Nevermind, I found the right group. I've asked him to clarify if it was finished.

I have a feeling we'll keep getting vague answers until we die :laugh:

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 02, 2020, 04:04:38 PM

Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 02, 2020, 01:03:31 AM
The more I think about it the less sense it all makes. Is it even possible in 2020 to have a series like this done & finished without something leaking or getting out?

I was thinking the same thing... but then I thought of Predator Hunting Grounds, where an exclusive Playstation Game came out of nowhere, an announcement accompanied with a reveal trailer, and even us mega-Predator-fans had no idea it was even in the works!  So yes, it IS possible.  :)

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2019/05/09/predator-hunting-grounds-new-multiplayer-predator-game-announced-for-2020/

To play Devil's advocate, it wasn't a completed, ready-for-market game when it was announced, which is what the post makes it sound like for this AvP show. It got a long way in, yes, but they didn't just drop it into stores straight away; getting an animated show to full completion without any mention is a whole other level, and kind of implies they knew they weren't going to release it before they even finished.

Based on the above Hunting Grounds was announced 10 months ago and it's not out yet.

I can think of lots of examples where films got unexpected release dates (Cloverfield Paradox leaps enthusiastically to mind), but those films were known about; it was just their release that was a surprise. I'm struggling to think of a show or a series that was 100% done before anyone knew anything (but I'm sure it's happened at some point...)

Maybe a long time ago - a really time ago - (I remember going to see Raiders of the Lost Ark as a kid without any clue that Han Solo who was in it or what it was about) before websites weren't desperate for clicks (or existed), but these days something always gets leaked. Or studios just announce they're doing something, announcing directors, cast, etc.

I reckon if the AvP series was completed they'd be pimping it.  Despite a couple of rubbish live action films, there's still a decent sized fanbase for AvP that would be very excited about seeing this, and they've already spent the money on making it.

Quote from: SM on Mar 03, 2020, 11:05:45 AM
I reckon if the AvP series was completed they'd be pimping it. 

Was it implied as a series? Because I didn't take it that way.

Quote from: SiL on Mar 03, 2020, 09:55:42 AM
I have a feeling we'll keep getting vague answers until we die :laugh:

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 02, 2020, 04:04:38 PM

Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 02, 2020, 01:03:31 AM
The more I think about it the less sense it all makes. Is it even possible in 2020 to have a series like this done & finished without something leaking or getting out?

I was thinking the same thing... but then I thought of Predator Hunting Grounds, where an exclusive Playstation Game came out of nowhere, an announcement accompanied with a reveal trailer, and even us mega-Predator-fans had no idea it was even in the works!  So yes, it IS possible.  :)

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2019/05/09/predator-hunting-grounds-new-multiplayer-predator-game-announced-for-2020/

To play Devil's advocate, it wasn't a completed, ready-for-market game when it was announced, which is what the post makes it sound like for this AvP show. It got a long way in, yes, but they didn't just drop it into stores straight away; getting an animated show to full completion without any mention is a whole other level, and kind of implies they knew they weren't going to release it before they even finished.

Quote from: SM on Mar 03, 2020, 10:06:33 AM
Based on the above Hunting Grounds was announced 10 months ago and it's not out yet.

If dropping in stores right away is your liptmus test, you're not going to find an example because waiting to just drop a game in stores right away without announcement, would be awfully dumb marketing for a game of this magnitude. Nor do I expect this AvP animated movie (if it truly exists) to ultimately be an example of this for you, because if and when it drops on Netflix, there will likely be pre-release fanfare at least a couple months prior, which I believe is only what you need for something like this. Maybe it will / was planned to be timed with Alien Day, similair to the Read/Play/Watch campaign, where the announcing was so close to release, the product was already secretly completed. Because I don't think we're theorizing a major big-budget theatrical release here in hiding. The animation might even be rather cheap. We'll just have to wait and see.

It's not dropping in stores right away that's the litmus test; it's being able to be dropped into stores. Hunting Ground wasn't announced as a completed product that would be hitting shelves in X weeks, it was announced as a beta.

If this show was completed, then shelved, it makes it sound like they knew they wouldn't release it well before they were finished but, inexplicably, finished anyway?

That would be highly, highly unusual and require some explainin'.

Quote from: SiL on Mar 03, 2020, 12:34:21 PM
It's not dropping in stores right away that's the litmus test; it's being able to be dropped into stores. Hunting Ground wasn't announced as a completed product that would be hitting shelves in X weeks, it was announced as a beta.

If this show was completed, then shelved, it makes it sound like they knew they wouldn't release it well before they were finished but, inexplicably, finished anyway?

That would be highly, highly unusual and require some explainin'.

I only brought up Predator Hunting Grounds to support an affirmative response to 426Buddy's inquiry if it's even possible in 2020 to complete something like this without leaking out. Considering the hundreds of employees Illfonic employs in two states, in an arguably higher profile Playstation Exclusive product, the fact we knew only when their marketing team wanted us to know is proof enough for me.

And there's no dropping in stores in play here. There's no Blu-ray productions and retail shelf pre-orders and release dates to tip their hand. It's only Netflix streaming.  So they can keep this as quiet as Alien Blackout or the Isolation digital series, which both were finished before announcement.

But then again, it ultimately did still leak, just not during production (theoretically).

Timing with Alien Day would not make this unusual, if that originally was the plan. But management has changed. Does Disweyland really want to promote customers to go to Netflix now that they launched Disney+? And does Netflix really want to promote a Disweyland product, after the turmoil over their Marvel shows and Disney+ threatening their customer base? Was it made cheap enough to shelve permanently, whichever side has the overriding power? These are my questions (if it exists).

QuoteFrom what I've heard it didn't even get as far as the Deadpool animated series on FX. Fox/Netflix wanted a studio that helped with the Castlevania series to make a few episodes of AvP to see what they could come up with. The studio was named something like Powerhouse Animations (which even has a working relationship with Disney oddly enough) and it would have been 6 episodes at 30 minutes each. But they might have drawn one or two episodes but the project got canned. Nobody was ever even hired to do voicework.

A comment from the Joblo coverage. No idea who he is.

https://www.joblo.com/horror-movies/news/netflix-alien-vs-predator-anime

See, this makes a shitload more sense. Pitches, concepts, scripts, sure. Fully animated series completed and sitting on a shelf, no.

Also, for anyone who was around back in the PlanetAvP days, site staffer and all-round good human being Chris Beaver works at Powerhouse Animation, assuming it's the same one (I can only find one, and it's the one he works at).

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 05, 2020, 11:14:25 AM

QuoteFrom what I've heard it didn't even get as far as the Deadpool animated series on FX. Fox/Netflix wanted a studio that helped with the Castlevania series to make a few episodes of AvP to see what they could come up with. The studio was named something like Powerhouse Animations (which even has a working relationship with Disney oddly enough) and it would have been 6 episodes at 30 minutes each. But they might have drawn one or two episodes but the project got canned. Nobody was ever even hired to do voicework.

A comment from the Joblo coverage. No idea who he is.

https://www.joblo.com/horror-movies/news/netflix-alien-vs-predator-anime

I missed the "comment" in your post first time around and just read the article saying where the heck is this info?!  :D.

So it's from a user named "Laughing Man". One might be able to set up an account and PM him through his profile and hit him up for more info, if one felt so inclined. It makes it hurt worse knowing now it was a series (if true). Damn. Perhaps this narrative's timeline lines up with Bob Iger coming over and slashing Fox projects.  :-\

I've messaged someone I know who works at the company. Might get a reply.

If this comment is accurate then this certainly makes more sense than something completed sitting on a shelf. Still quite curious about all of this, despite my overall disinterest in AVP as a property. Hope you get a response, SiL.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 05, 2020, 04:44:50 PM
If this comment is accurate then this certainly makes more sense than something completed sitting on a shelf. Still quite curious about all of this, despite my overall disinterest in AVP as a property. Hope you get a response, SiL.

My thoughts as well.  Seems more reasonable than a completed animated piece hiding in the vaults somewhere.  Regardless, it's nice to see that an AvP project outside comics/games made it to the pitch stage at least.

Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2020, 11:10:06 AM
I feel trying to make AvP legitimately terrifying would be a waste of energy.

Exciting and tense and suspenseful, sure. Scary, not so much

Yeah, they are pop culture icons now, any halo of mistery and fear is long gone, sadly. The action/suspense route is the way to go it seems.

Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 01, 2020, 03:23:03 PM
Yeah for me AvP has always felt more like scifi action suspense. I think you could do an amazing small scale straight up horror film with AvP, like one predator and one alien and a great script in between. But I think that would take a real talent to do it right.

YES, in fact i had an idea simmilar to this. Focus on the characters and story, leave the creatures in the background.

Both creatures are definitely still scary. But it's easy to botch either one or both together with a poor script and by showing them too much or in unflattering conditions (broad daylight).

We don't see big chap too much in Alien 79, and that move is still scary as sh*t to this day. Don't let the audience see or know more than the characters, keep the monsters in the dark where they belong, and put some effort into the writing. I wouldn't doom them to action bug classification yet.

Enthusiast youtuber had made this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0kihx6GYfg&t=344s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0kihx6GYfg&t=344s)
I wonder where he got the AVP anime fan art anime makeover style .They look quite good have a look and tell us if you can if you know where to find those pictures
The video shows several Aliens and Alien3 screenshots redone. as well one from Predator.

hold on found it.
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2018/07/fine-art-what-aliens-blade-runner-jurassic-park-terminator-would-look-like-as-anime/

Quote from: Huggs on Mar 06, 2020, 01:28:42 AM
Both creatures are definitely still scary. But it's easy to botch either one or both together with a poor script and by showing them too much or in unflattering conditions (broad daylight).

We don't see big chap too much in Alien 79, and that move is still scary as sh*t to this day. Don't let the audience see or know more than the characters, keep the monsters in the dark where they belong, and put some effort into the writing. I wouldn't doom them to action bug classification yet.

I totally agree Huggsy.

Chris Warner gets it, which is why his Predator Hunters comics series is so good...

• CW: "I like to hew close to the first Predator film in terms of style—reality-based action with the Predators being the only fantastical element. And like the first movie, I prefer to keep the Predators fairly inscrutable: the characters have to infer what the monsters are up to. I've always felt that the less we know about the Predators, the more interesting they are. If we're able to get inside the Predators' heads, the stories tend to be just monster fights, not very interesting, in my view."
  
  CW: "I'm not sure how to answer this, but my own philosophy on writing Predator stories is that I'm writing new Predator movies. I try to keep the tone and feel for the stories very much like that of the films. And I think Predator stories function best not just as horror and action, but as suspense and mystery. The tension makes the action and horror work. Too many comic stories today are just wall-to-wall action. I'm sure that's great for original art sales, but I don't think that makes for compelling storytelling. Using another sports analogy, I think that football works so well, especially on television, because of the pauses in the action. As in music, it's about tension and release."

PO did a short further video on it, and clarified they understand it was held up due to legal issues.

Because of Disney+ then. lol

Considering Disney has already "vaulted" the original ALIEN (1979) film as reported last year not surprised. Vaulting is where Disney keeps films with a limited home release or cinema run under lock and key to increase a film's value, as reported by avpgalaxy.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=62922.msg2429668#msg2429668

Vaulting also refers to Disney scrapping other related releases, i.e. spin-offs, if they "breach" (what Disney considers) to be quality control. It also extends to.
- Cease and desist orders against independent cinemas showing ALIEN (1979), which happened at my local cinema during a John Hurt tribute not even allowing the press to report Hurt as being in ALIEN. Snowpiercer was shown instead. ::)
- Cease and desist again cosplays or featuring copyrighted art. Heck Disney asked kids doing a Disney fundraiser to hand over $50,000 of charity money raised to avoid legal action

Wouldn't surprise me this rumoured "avp the anime" was shelved as a footnote. Disney owns all of Fox fullstop and doesn't owe copyright or licensing to anyone.

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Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Mar 07, 2020, 08:40:49 PM
Because of Disney+ then. lol

I'm surprised Netflix didn't get this out of the gate before the Disney take-over. THE PREDATOR got a last yah-hoo and tried proposing an "avp-verse" (with the original avp ending) with the alternate ending set-photos. The makers/producers were selling a marvel-esque set-up, much to the dismay of Shane Black. So he must have lost Directorial and creative control 2/3rds into the project.

From what's known about The Predator's ending was that Arnold was set to show up as Dutch but declined due to it being a smaller role. So when they're all standing there after the Assassin Predator is dead, it's to look at the helicopter he's supposed to arrive in. Arnold couldn't be bothered for a half a day's shoot for the money they offered. I don't even know why they even bother since they keep wanting him for a sequel and he never shows up. It's been almost 30+ years, he's not coming back.
The pod I don't believe was actually made for the scene, I think it was actually made for the Hybrids. It'd make sense since they'd supposed to have been gestating in the pod.
Ripley and Newt got toyed around with and the FX team threw together the Predator killer gauntlet, ultimately going with the Predator killer.

So Fox couldn't have been bothered to pay more money for Arnold and yet had enough money to butcher The Predator in the editing bay. I wouldn't be surprised if they submitted the script with Fox assuring them they could get Arnold and thought they could underpay him again.

I don't even know why bringing Ripley or Newt would set up an AVP universe, Predator already has Aliens due to the trophy wall and in the same movie they reuse Lex's spear. As well as if we couldn't get an alternate sequel with Alien 5, we aren't getting it with The Predator.

Arnie was supposed to show up at the end of Predators too.

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 08, 2020, 02:58:01 PMSo Fox couldn't have been bothered to pay more money for Arnold and yet had enough money to butcher The Predator in the editing bay. I wouldn't be surprised if they submitted the script with Fox assuring them they could get Arnold and thought they could underpay him again.

Fox got "Hydraulx" to do the "predator killer suit" sequence in less than 3 weeks and for far less than an Arnold appearance fee. Hydraulx were the go to guys for secondary CGI effects done quickly and on a budget. People forget the owners are Colin and Gregg Strauss who directed AVP-REQUIEM and despite the hatred they get, they'd also done effects for other mainstream music videos and movies (including Marvel).

My point is an "avp-verse" was so close to being announced and a step closer to an avp reboot. Granted I didn't want THE PREDATOR to be it, but the hype and rumours of AVP3 seemed to overshadow THE PREDATOR itself. We didn't need a so-so sequel we needed a bigger movie announcement.

So this anime thing is basically stuck in legal limbo?

Quote from: The Shuriken on Mar 09, 2020, 05:31:10 PM
So this anime thing is basically stuck in legal limbo?

Disney would have to buy the avp anime off of Netflix, providing Disney were interested in the first place. Copyright, when transferred between two intellectual copyright holders who are still active and a third party was also involved, it can get messy.

If you know anything about the anime Macross (japan), Robotech (usa) lawsuit between Tatsunoko and Harmony Gold will know how messy things can get, with neither party wanting to foot the bill.

Considering Disney are now restricting mere reshowings of ALIEN in cinemas don't count on it.

Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Mar 09, 2020, 02:51:00 PM
My point is an "avp-verse" was so close to being announced and a step closer to an avp reboot. Granted I didn't want THE PREDATOR to be it, but the hype and rumours of AVP3 seemed to overshadow THE PREDATOR itself. We didn't need a so-so sequel we needed a bigger movie announcement.

There wasn't any hype or rumours of a third AvP, I'm afraid.

Due to all the legal hoops this might not even happen at all. At least not for a while. There's enough AvP fans for them to make a profit.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 09, 2020, 06:48:15 PM

Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Mar 09, 2020, 02:51:00 PM
My point is an "avp-verse" was so close to being announced and a step closer to an avp reboot. Granted I didn't want THE PREDATOR to be it, but the hype and rumours of AVP3 seemed to overshadow THE PREDATOR itself. We didn't need a so-so sequel we needed a bigger movie announcement.

There wasn't any hype or rumours of a third AvP, I'm afraid.

Yes there was.



https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=61085.msg2335191#msg2335191

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Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Mar 10, 2020, 06:19:11 AM
Due to all the legal hoops this might not even happen at all. At least not for a while. There's enough AvP fans for them to make a profit.

For a live-action, future set film yes, you'd be dumb to think there isn't a box office for AVP. Straight to dvd cgi animations and videogames not so much.

Sadly I think investors are holding out for a Covenant 2 sequel due to the peanut counters going in Ridley's favour.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Alien#tab=summary

It took 5 years between Prometheus (2012) and Covenant (2017). We're still less than 3 years in.

That wasn't hype or rumours. It was two alternate endings tacked onto a film at the 11th hour, then scrapped. Hardly got the world abuzz about the possibility of an imminent AvP3.

Quote from: SiL on Mar 10, 2020, 09:26:10 AM
That wasn't hype or rumours. It was two alternate endings tacked onto a film at the 11th hour, then scrapped. Hardly got the world abuzz about the possibility of an imminent AvP3.

This. If anyone took this to mean an AvP3 was incoming, it was very few and far between and not representative of the majority of the fandom.

... so does anyone like it or not? ???

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Quote from: SiL on Mar 10, 2020, 10:55:14 AM
... so does anyone like it or not? ???

*raises hand*

Set on a different planet in the future, add colonial marines, ????, profit.

I like it too, but FI said nobody liked it, then said what people who liked it liked, and I was confused :laugh:

I mean anyone who likes the AVP idea in general, does not want a new AVP film probably set in the future and anywhere but Earth, to connect to the last attempt.
I'm sorry- I stayed up late beyond a reasonable time last night.

I think she means that if we must have an AvP flick, it should be set in the Aliens era.  At least that way we can bring the USCM in on the action and set it anywhere but Earth.

Yes nearly exactly so, perhaps set long after the Resurrection/USM era for all I care, if it's got recognisable aspects from the Aliens/Alien³ era, it's quickly going to acquire a large number of people anticipating it.
My apologies- for being totally unclear last night.

Unrelated but could have an impact. Bob Iger has stepped down from Disney, after a shareholders meeting decided to replace him with Disney CEO Bob Chapek in the past day. Chapek's background is Disney theme-park rides and merchandise products.

Apparently he said "scenes of smoking will be banned in any film (including subsidiary 20th Century Films) rated PG-13 or below" and he wants to move forward with lgb+ characters as his first two visions as new Disney leader.

Make of that what you will.

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Then hire Alex White, Kelsey Taylor, Noah Miller and James Stokoe for your Alien story group. 

Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Mar 11, 2020, 09:00:23 PM
Unrelated but could have an impact. Bob Iger has stepped down from Disney, after a shareholders meeting decided to replace him with Disney CEO Bob Chapek in the past day. Chapek's background is Disney theme-park rides and merchandise products.

Apparently he said "scenes of smoking will be banned in any film (including subsidiary 20th Century Films) rated PG-13 or below" and he wants to move forward with lgb+ characters as his first two visions as new Disney leader.

Make of that what you will.

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Unless there's another AVP situation I don't think we have to worry about smoking impacting anything. And when it comes to either Alien or Predator, neither creature really has any stake in what direction the Human characters swing.

I can actually see an anti-smoking message in a Predator film but the thing sees heat anyways so lighting up is a bad idea in the first place. I feel like on of the films even did that.

Yeah I don't see any of those things to be especially controversial.

Won't stop Youtube shouters making a bunch of videos complaining about "woke" Disney though.

Pandering is part of business.

Didn't Covenant already give us LGBT characters?  Did anyone smoke in it that wasn't either on fire or burned by acid?

Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 11, 2020, 11:18:11 PM
Didn't Covenant already give us LGBT characters?  Did anyone smoke in it that wasn't either on fire or burned by acid?

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Someone might start ranting.

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I believe Lope's queer, but we only know, because of the rings shown as Hallett passes.

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Overall A/V/P's LGBT representation's mostly absent apart from Marsalis Blue and Olivia.

What about Frost?

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Mar 11, 2020, 11:58:58 PM
Who?

Exactly.

How did you quote a non-existent post??

Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2020, 12:04:10 AM
How did you quote a non-existent post??

Magic.

F***in' Voodoo Magic mahn!

Quote from: Huggs on Mar 12, 2020, 12:07:52 AM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2020, 12:04:10 AM
How did you quote a non-existent post??

Magic.

F***in' Voodoo Magic mahn!

Just aim for the trees

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She's fast, but not fast enough.

Quote EVERYTHING.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 11, 2020, 11:18:11 PM
Didn't Covenant already give us LGBT characters?  Did anyone smoke in it that wasn't either on fire or burned by acid?

Yeah Lope and Hallett were a gay couple.  And Ridley has mentioned that sex between crew members isn't necessarily hetero.  Outside the movies there's Jill and Chris in Fire & Stone and Olivia in Echo off the top of my head. Blue in Cold Forge swung a couple of ways from memory.  And Ray in Prototype was a trans man.

What about Lambert?

Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2020, 01:16:36 AM
What about Lambert?

I'd wager she had something going on with Parker, until Big Chap...ya know.

Rumor has it she was transgender.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2020, 01:25:13 AM
Rumor has it she was transgender.

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Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2020, 01:25:13 AM
Rumor has it she was transgender.

Retcon.

David kissing Walter must be robotic narcissism  :P

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 12, 2020, 01:49:00 AM
David kissing Walter must be robotic narcissism  :P

Nah. He was just horny.

Quote from: Huggs on Mar 12, 2020, 01:51:13 AM

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 12, 2020, 01:49:00 AM
David kissing Walter must be robotic narcissism  :P

Nah. He was just horny.

I couldn't have said it better myself ಥ⌣ಥ

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Just to expand and speculate about Bob Chapek "smoking" and "lgb+" policy seemingly being an early indication of Disney's creative direction.

Smoking. This comment comes from "the sound of the south" being refused entry into Disney+ in part due to "racial overtones" and Bob Chapek stating he will pay attention to censorship of adult themes while seemingly aiming for PG-13 or lower. To me he sounds like a PG-13 or nothing and what counts as PG-13 before won't fly now, and that's even before consideration from the M.P.A.A. rating system.

Anyway you have to remember that Disney only bought 20th Century Fox to get distribution rights on Star Wars, while at the same time buying Lucas Film from George Lucas. And that, as well all know, is PG-13 or lower.
Not to mention the media tries to paint "anti-woke culture" critics as a fringe minority in their non-acceptance of lgb+ in light of Star Wars box office returns. I'd argue its moreso the intellectual property- rather than social politics- responsbile for Star Wars success.

Disney's been anti-smoking in films for a long time, this isn't really new or surprising.

It doesn't sound like he's saying everything's going to be PG-13, just that PG-13 and under material won't have smoking. Disney has always appreciated there's an adult market and have always owned subsidiaries to cater to it.

Song of the South has been a difficult subject for Disney since it was released 70 odd years ago.

Quote from: SM on Mar 12, 2020, 12:52:18 AM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 11, 2020, 11:18:11 PM
Didn't Covenant already give us LGBT characters?  Did anyone smoke in it that wasn't either on fire or burned by acid?

Yeah Lope and Hallett were a gay couple.  And Ridley has mentioned that sex between crew members isn't necessarily hetero.  Outside the movies there's Jill and Chris in Fire & Stone and Olivia in Echo off the top of my head. Blue in Cold Forge swung a couple of ways from memory.  And Ray in Prototype was a trans man.

There was also a gay couple in Prey. I can't recall her name off hand.

Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Mar 12, 2020, 07:07:58 AM
Anyway you have to remember that Disney only bought 20th Century Fox to get distribution rights on Star Wars

Huh? That is not at all the case. No studio is going to purchase an entire other studio for the distribution rights relating to a handful of pre-existing films in one brand, even if that brand happens to be Star Wars. Disney spent 71 billion dollars on Fox...

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 12, 2020, 11:53:43 AM

Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Mar 12, 2020, 07:07:58 AM
Anyway you have to remember that Disney only bought 20th Century Fox to get distribution rights on Star Wars

Huh? That is not at all the case. No studio is going to purchase an entire other studio for the distribution rights relating to a handful of pre-existing films in one brand, even if that brand happens to be Star Wars. Disney spent 71 billion dollars on Fox...

I hope you're right but look at this billboard advert I saw today for Disney Plus.

Note how it refers to "star wars" rather than "20th century films"? When all the other acquired properties are referred to by their studio rather than films?

(https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/disney-plus.png?w=730&crop=1)

They're referring to a brand like NA said - not a studio.

Star Wars is more immediately recognisable then Lucasfilm Ltd.  Disney removed the Fox logo from Star Wars films before they bought the company.

Quote from: SM on Mar 12, 2020, 07:36:43 PM
They're referring to a brand like NA said - not a studio.

Nightmare Asylum's comment was the inverse to what you are saying.

He said "why would Disney pay $71 Billion on acquiring Fox" (for Star Wars alone) when even the total box office doesn't justify costs for acquiring the studio/s (LucasFilm 20th Century Fox?

My thoughts.

- buying out and closing the competition
- closing a rival studio
- acquiring studios for Disney's gain?

All those reasons are exactly why they did it, along with all the content they got, not just Star Wars. They now have Avatar as well, for example.

Star Wars would get its own slide in Disney+ because it's a whole bunch of movies and TV shows, not because it's the main reason they bought Fox.

Yeah speculation is a bit of a waste of time when it's very obvious what Disney is doing.  Is business.

Song of.the South is a hard sell. My jaw literally hung slack the first time I watched it lol.

Ive always thought animation is the best place for AVP because the suspension of disbelief of the concept lends itself to animation better and it's the place fans are most likely to accept the crossover.

Now let's get Disney on that ALIEN live action series we all know is eventually gonna get the green light.

There were two Alien live-action series reportedly in the making. Is this still the case?

I imagine that Disney is probably looking at setting up something different for their not kid friendly audience.  They have gained alot of franchises some which just fly against their company branding. Who knows maybe this will end up on Hulu (Disney owned) instead?

Personally I'd be happy for seperate service maybe part of a bundle that lumps the other franchise together.
Alien, AvP, Die Hard, The Fly, Hills have eyes, Independence day, Lake placid, The Omen, Wrong Turn, 28 days, The Exorcist, Planet of the Apes are a few that they now need to figure how they are going to fit in with their image so with what I'm sure is another massive selection of shelved franchises maybe we will see The AvP anime on a new service in the future?

-TJ88

I feel like Disney+ probably could support AVP, it is the only PG-13 which does allow it to get on the site/app.

That might be a decent way to go about it with the shows being made to be R but the PG-13 cut ends up on Disney+ enabling both viewer bases to see the product. With current leadership coming from consumer products it would make sense to get old as much as new people involved with the products.

Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Mar 13, 2020, 11:49:07 PM
There were two Alien live-action series reportedly in the making. Is this still the case?

Don't think that was ever the case.

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 14, 2020, 04:00:34 PM
I feel like Disney+ probably could support AVP, it is the only PG-13 which does allow it to get on the site/app.

I don't think there's any need to even target Disney+. Disney owns the controlled shares in Hulu as well.

Disweyland said they are targeting 2021 for international rollout of Hulu. Considering it's seemingly more popular internationallly than domestically right now, I won't be surprised if an Alien series is timed with that debut.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Mar 17, 2020, 06:51:15 PM
Do you have a great distain for Disney? What's with the "Disweyland" thing?

Pretty sure it's simply a text based pun

Disneyland
Disweyland

While also implying the corporate dominance of Disney. But I'm sure Voodoo will let you know his exact reasoning.  ;)

Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 17, 2020, 08:21:23 PM
Pretty sure it's simply a text based pun

Disneyland
Disweyland

While also implying the corporate dominance of Disney.

Indeed.  :)

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It's not his best IMHO.  :P

Well how can I compete with this gem?

It ages like a fine wine!!!

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;D

 8)
nice.

It's your most fully accurate criticism.

I hope its based on the OG Comic book series

Quote from: Beef Dogg on May 18, 2020, 01:19:41 PM
I hope its based on the OG Comic book series

No idea what it was based on, but, as far as we're all aware, this project is never actually going to see the light of day.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 18, 2020, 02:16:34 PM

Quote from: Beef Dogg on May 18, 2020, 01:19:41 PM
I hope its based on the OG Comic book series

No idea what it was based on, but, as far as we're all aware, this project is never actually going to see the light of day.

:'(

Was hoping thered be some (positive) news about rhe project. Guess there is still nothing

A lot of details on this project were spilled on the recent interview episode of Perfect Organism with Josh Izzo, the man in charge of Alien/Predator EU for much of the mid-2010s. He didn't name the director but based on what was said of his credentials, I think it was Shinji Aramaki.

Shinji directed the original Appleseed, The Package in Halo Legends, Harlock: Space Pirate, both of the animated Starship Trooper films, Ultraman and Blade Runner: Black Lotus. So I also don't think this was anime in the traditional sense, but CG animation.

I'm transcribing all the details to do a separate thread/post (and trying to get some extra info), but thought folk might be interested before I do.

Hmm, that's interesting. I don't know if it's good or bad that we missed out on it, with the added context.

CGI animation is OK, but it never looks as good as traditional animations.  I really like Blade Runner Black Lotus, but there's a lot of uncanny valley, and things which don't look quite right. Might be great for aliens, but I'm not so sure about predators. The artwork for AVP on the Jaguar looked great at the time, but I'm not sure we'd want a full feature length version of it.

I feel we missed out. I've been wanting a CG animated Alien/Predator feature or series since the days of Roughneck Chronicles. And I actually really love the animated films for Starship Troopers that Shinji did.

I haven't seen any Starship Troopers past Paul Verhoeven's original (which I adore), but I've heard from a lot of people that the second of the animated films is really solid (the first animated one, I've heard less positive things about). I should check that out...

"The Package" was easily my least favorite installment in Halo: Legends, but I wouldn't really hold that one against him; it wasn't the animation I hated in that one, it was the pretty terrible writing (which was not on Aramaki).

I did watch all of Blade Runner: Black Lotus. Not bad, it had some pretty genuinely cool stuff in it, but it also didn't leave much of a long-term impact on me. I think with that one, I was just kind hoping for/expecting something a bit more like Shin'ichirô Watanabe's Blade Runner: Black Out 2022.

A CGI series definitely isn't what I was expecting here (I'm sure it would have looked cool, it's just different than what I had in mind when news of this originally leaked), but whatever it would have been, this series remains a real genuine curiosity in my mind... If not the whole project itself, I wish the very least some art or a synopsis or something would leak. It can't be worse than the last two attempts at bringing AVP to the screen, right?

EDIT: I'm listening to the podcast episode now, there are some really juicy details about the genesis of this project and how it mutated/grew into something else in here (as well as some details about some specific Predators in it, its placement in the timeline, etc.). The origin of this project goes back way farther than I would have expected. Very good listen.

EDIT 2: Oh wow, an interesting detail in the podcast regarding Ridley's third prequel, too, including a name for it that I don't think we've ever heard thrown around publically before.

I've got it all written up and ready to go. Just hoping Josh can clarify some stuff for me before I post.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2023, 09:34:22 PMI've got it all written up and ready to go. Just hoping Josh can clarify some stuff for me before I post.

Excellent. Loved listening to it all, and can't wait to read what you have down with some extra clarification. 8)

Good to know the info is finally getting out there. Was considering making a video myself giving all the info Josh gave me when I'd met with him last year. Maybe this thing will finally see the light of day.

Aramaki's Traitor of Mars movie brought back Robocop and ST's writer Ed Neumeier. It fits right at home tonally with the original movie.

Not high budget stuff but well made and solid.

Alongside all of the juicy details on this series (would really like to see it release some day, even though I'm usually not super hot on AVP as a concept by and large – the details presented here have my curiosity piqued), I'm also really chewing on that little "Destiny" mention in the podcast...

Anything anyone here might be able to shed a tad more light on regarding that? I hadn't heard that name before this podcast.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 13, 2023, 09:45:50 PMAlongside all of the juicy details on this series (would really like to see it release some day, even though I'm usually not super hot on AVP as a concept by and large – the details presented here have my curiosity piqued), I'm also really chewing on that little "Destiny" mention in the podcast...

Anything anyone here might be able to shed a tad more light on regarding that? I hadn't heard that name before this podcast.

Destiny was indeed the name of the next Alien film, the final in Ridley's prequel trilogy. Prometheus was also going to be rebranded to ALIEN: Prometheus to match ALIEN: Covenant and ALIEN: Destiny before they killed it all.

Some plot points were that David was going to be eventually Facehugged and that would lead into the biomechanical Xeno design we know now. He was going to become the true father of that xenomorph breed. Somehow would have lead directly into the Nostromo landing on LV-426. David probably was the one who set off the distress call.

They had a hard time lining it up with the timeline because of how fossilized everything is in ALIEN when the crew finds the Jockey. There's probably more I know, just need to try to find my notes.

That's so trite honestly, I'm glad it did not happen.

And what an awful set of random titles.

I remember making a very frowny face when I was being told the details about Destiny.

Not sure how I feel about it leading so directly into Alien like that (I kind of really like the idea of David still being out there with his experiments, even as late as post-Alien 3), but I've also (half-jokingly) talked for years about the initial biomechanical Alien somehow being birthed from David, and the likely very weird, probably very convoluted string of events that would have led to that particular outcome could have been very interesting to get to see play out on screen, even if it doesn't totally mesh with the original film. Very likely could/would have been a mess, but I'll never not be curious about this third prequel film (and how it might have evolved over the course of its production).

I remember post-Covenant Ridley talked a little bit about some remaining Engineers being pissed at David and going after him. Any idea if that would have still held true in this "Alien: Destiny" iteration of the Covenant sequel? Maybe one of them might have even been the particular Space Jockey from the chair in Alien, if the plan was to link so directly with the original film.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 14, 2023, 12:10:43 AMbut I've also (half-jokingly) talked for years about the initial biomechanical Alien somehow being birthed from David, and the likely very weird, probably very convoluted string of events that would have led to that particular outcome could have been very interesting to get to see play out on screen, even if it doesn't totally mesh with the original film.


I remember post-Covenant Ridley talked a little bit about some remaining Engineers being pissed at David and going after him. Any idea if that would have still held true in this "Alien: Destiny" iteration of the Covenant sequel? Maybe one of them might have even been the particular Space Jockey from the chair in Alien, if the plan was to link so directly with the original film.

We're going to have to settle for this😅

Spoiler

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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 14, 2023, 12:32:57 AM

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 14, 2023, 12:10:43 AMbut I've also (half-jokingly) talked for years about the initial biomechanical Alien somehow being birthed from David, and the likely very weird, probably very convoluted string of events that would have led to that particular outcome could have been very interesting to get to see play out on screen, even if it doesn't totally mesh with the original film.


I remember post-Covenant Ridley talked a little bit about some remaining Engineers being pissed at David and going after him. Any idea if that would have still held true in this "Alien: Destiny" iteration of the Covenant sequel? Maybe one of them might have even been the particular Space Jockey from the chair in Alien, if the plan was to link so directly with the original film.

We're going to have to settle for this😅

Spoiler

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I just want season 3... :'(  :'(  :'(

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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 14, 2023, 12:32:57 AM

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 14, 2023, 12:10:43 AMbut I've also (half-jokingly) talked for years about the initial biomechanical Alien somehow being birthed from David, and the likely very weird, probably very convoluted string of events that would have led to that particular outcome could have been very interesting to get to see play out on screen, even if it doesn't totally mesh with the original film.


I remember post-Covenant Ridley talked a little bit about some remaining Engineers being pissed at David and going after him. Any idea if that would have still held true in this "Alien: Destiny" iteration of the Covenant sequel? Maybe one of them might have even been the particular Space Jockey from the chair in Alien, if the plan was to link so directly with the original film.

We're going to have to settle for this😅

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I just want season 3... :'(  :'(  :'(

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You can't just leave me hanging like this... :'( Someone give Guzikowski whatever he needs to follow up on Wolves, please...

Quote from: Mike's Monsters on May 13, 2023, 09:52:24 PM

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 13, 2023, 09:45:50 PMAlongside all of the juicy details on this series (would really like to see it release some day, even though I'm usually not super hot on AVP as a concept by and large – the details presented here have my curiosity piqued), I'm also really chewing on that little "Destiny" mention in the podcast...

Anything anyone here might be able to shed a tad more light on regarding that? I hadn't heard that name before this podcast.

Destiny was indeed the name of the next Alien film, the final in Ridley's prequel trilogy. Prometheus was also going to be rebranded to ALIEN: Prometheus to match ALIEN: Covenant and ALIEN: Destiny before they killed it all.

Some plot points were that David was going to be eventually Facehugged and that would lead into the biomechanical Xeno design we know now. He was going to become the true father of that xenomorph breed. Somehow would have lead directly into the Nostromo landing on LV-426. David probably was the one who set off the distress call.

They had a hard time lining it up with the timeline because of how fossilized everything is in ALIEN when the crew finds the Jockey. There's probably more I know, just need to try to find my notes.

Warning* Which makes less sense if David did it - surely he'd send a distress to lure people?

Great to see they were going for the worst possible outcome of the David arc, really feel like a bullet was dodged.

In the covenant script - he's the one that set up Shaw's signal as a lure.
(unexplained in the film but it's most likely also intended to be that).

Seems to be his modus operandi.

As of right now - i'm pretty sure that David was responsible for the mess in LV426 but i don't need to see all the details play out.
this also frees David for the possibility of more appearances

Honestly the sight of Fassbender fellating a hugger, dayum 🤤. It would've been totally weird, because he'd want it to happen. 😂 Gives birth to his creation, but his creation rejects him. It's too neat, yeah, and shoehorning it into such a tight timeframe would've been rife with problems.

Thankfully there's a more interesting direction now with Fede's side-quel.