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It’s been a while since we’ve heard anything concrete about the next instalment in Sir Ridley Scott’s Alien prequel series. And we’re not the only one apparently. In a new interview with Metro (via Screenrant), Alien: Covenant’s Daniels – aka Katherine Waterston – reveals that she is as in the dark about the next one as we are:

"I have no idea. I always feel as though the actors are the last to know. But I also feel as though I could have a great deal to do in that film, or just be rolled out in a body bag."

 I had heard some rumors about where it might go a long time ago that were really interesting to me and my character. But I haven't heard anything in ages.”

The last solid news we had regarding any future films was when 20th Century Fox CEO Stacey Snider revealed that Fox was waiting on Ridley Scott to find the “right story” for future Alien films. Pre-production on Alien: Covenant 2 was reportedly supposed to start in the Summer of 2017 but was cancelled following the disappointing Box Office results of Alien: Covenant.

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or just be rolled out in a body bag."

Haha I knew it. She is thinking Ridley will make David kill her character offscreen like he did with Shaw.

I barely liked her character but having another main character get killed like that is such a waste. Plus I get those Hicks and Newt ptsd flashbacks. If its a sequel bring her back or just make a reboot.

I really like her character and I want to see her return.  Great actress too.  But if Ridley decides to kill her off I'm cool with it.  Whatever serves the story best.

Seeing how Covenant ended, she and Danny McBride's characters are going to be ending up dissected like Shaw. Though, I do hope if another film gets done, the engineers come and kick David's robotic ass.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 24, 2018, 11:19:48 PMPre-production on Alien: Covenant 2 was reportedly supposed to start in the Summer of 2017 but was cancelled following the disappointing Box Office results of Alien: Covenant.

It's still in pre-production on Imdb.
Not sure if that means anything.

She probably wants to avoid it like the plague.

For all the sh*t alien 3 and resurrection gets , to me minus the beginning of alien 3 , they were far superior films to alien covenant and Prometheus , at least they knew what they wanted to be and stuck to their roots of being and out and out science fiction horror.

These prequels were nothing more than a quick half baked attempt by fox at breathing new life into the franchise, and desperately trying to pull away from the gigersm that had gone before, and personally I think they have failed quite spectacularly. Do away with the prequels and let's close Ripleys story properly! I want to see alien 5 and be scared sh*tless , not walking out of the cinema feeling underwhelmed by a prequel that doesn't know what it wants to be. Oh yeah I forgot the protomorph looked terrible in covenant, and when that's the films selling point there is no wonder the film found itself in trouble. Give neill blomkamp the shot at alien 5. We need a true alien film, that doesn't contradict what's gone before.

Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Apr 25, 2018, 02:01:38 AM
For all the sh*t alien 3 and resurrection gets , to me minus the beginning of alien 3 , they were far superior films to alien covenant and Prometheus , at least they knew what they wanted to be and stuck to their roots of being and out and out science fiction horror.

These prequels were nothing more than a quick half baked attempt by fox at breathing new life into the franchise, and desperately trying to pull away from the gigersm that had gone before, and personally I think they have failed quite spectacularly. Do away with the prequels and let's close Ripleys story properly! I want to see alien 5 and be scared sh*tless , not walking out of the cinema feeling underwhelmed by a prequel that doesn't know what it wants to be. Oh yeah I forgot the protomorph looked terrible in covenant, and when that's the films selling point there is no wonder the film found itself in trouble. Give neill blomkamp the shot at alien 5. We need a true alien film, that doesn't contradict what's gone before.

I'd say both. Space is big enough for Prometheus type stuff and more Aliens.

 :-\

This is going to be a very long wait.

I doubt it's happening but we'll see

Her character really didn't do anything for me. At least with Shaw I could respect her conviction, and her relationship with David by extension gave her some interesting elements. I love that exchange between her and David when they're going out for how strongly it established who those two characters were. "Don't we all wish our parents dead?" "I didn't."

With Waterston's character I honestly didn't feel anything. It was a completely flat-line.

I hear ya, Elderclanleader. It does feel like they've yet to figure out exactly where this is going or what is being said. Not to say that heading towards something in particular is a bad thing. I wouldn't mind a larger goal for the franchise. I can understand there are people who wouldn't just want to see one movie after another where it was just an alien and a new crew, over and over again. What do I honestly think the overall life cycle of this series should've been?

Alien 3 should've been Gibson's Alien 3. Over the course of maybe another 2 films, Hicks and others wound up caught in a fight between the company and the Alien. All culminating in a visit to the Alien homeworld. A true Giger world. Absolute hell. Maybe there would be some kind of God/Devil xeno, or just an ancient queen. Maybe at some point in the movies, Hicks and company would go to the derelict on lv-426 and use it to trace the xeno back to the Giger world. I would've loved to see that. Maybe you could even have Ripley brought back in to face them one last time and she sacrifices herself in a detonation of the alien megahive. The series could've even ended on a cliffhanger. A single surviving egg in company possession. Something getting loose on earth or a survivor starting to heave from a chestburster.

Would I liked to have seen something after this? Absolutely. I'm a fan of Alien and Alien 3. The whole Aliens thing isn't my bag, but that's where the series felt like it was honestly progressing from Aliens.

Huggs that's the sort of sequel I want to see too bro.  Something that pays true homage to giger and builds on his style, and keeps ripley and co in the loop.

The fact alien covenant was in early production when giger died and there was no mention of him at all in the film , not even a " in loving memory " (and if there was they kept it pretty dam hidden )

even the protomorph had all the gigerism squeezed out of it,
It was like they were intentionally trying to rewrite history and I think it is a disgrace of a film. Especially when it was on Ridleys watch. They couldn't lay a bigger turd on the guy even if they tried.

  I feel that strongly about this that I will never pay to watch a Ridley scott film again. It's the principle to me and it was completely out of order by fox and scott. Something I'll never forgive them for.

Now now, that's a bit exaggerated don't you think. Covenant had some good Giger elements, and it seems they wanted to have more, but weren't allowed to for some reason. Hopefully Ridley's next film will have more Giger.

I don't think it is an exaggeration at all , it's the truth , are you telling me that they couldn't  put a " in loving memory " at the end out of respect?

And where was the gigerism you are talking about?

Prometheus had some sure but covenant ? We must not be watching the same film pal. It's not difficult, it's not hard , it's just lazy and selfish. And if it is down to fox which I think it is , Ridley should of had a backbone and said " you either let me make my film the way I intend and include the gigerism I want , or I walk"

Giger never worked on Covenant though. But a little " in loving memory " would have been nice, I suppose.

Anyway, the juggernaut interiors were very Giger like. Shaw's mutated body as well. And the Xenomorph still had some biomechanical elements. Not a lot, but it's still something. I doubt it was just Fox's decision to remove some of the Giger elements though.

What annoys me the most is some people don't seem to want to recognise that giger created the alien. So what he didn't have a part in the production, he's still the brainchild that created the Xeno. 

In fact alien was around before the film was even made with his original Necronom IV.

Alien would not be what it is without him , and It was his before it was anyone's, even if he didn't have a hand in the original alien , the alien we all love would still be here because of gigers brilliant artwork, he didn't create it for the film , this thing was in in his nightmares ! He suffered from night terrors , and drew what he envisioned, the fact this great man died during the films production, should of swayed fox to dedicate it to his memory. The fact they didn't speaks volumes and I stand by my reasoning. Clearly they are selfish and heartless.

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No film has ever gotten on my nerves no matter how bad , quite like the way this one did.  I can forgive a bad film , I can't forgive nastiness.

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heres the evidence ... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=odz8Wam7n-Y

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=odz8Wam7n-Y

Sure, I agree. But technically he didn't work on Covenant, so they didn't have to give him credit for anything. That's just how it works I guess. I'm not saying he didn't deserve one.

Yeah I'm 90% sure it all boils down to the fallout giger had with fox over alien 3 , I think fox and gigers estate basically just hate each other now.
Even if I take giger out of the situation , alien: covenant was just a bad film , the fact all those films boiled down to one renegade android creating the xeno was just ridiculous, there's a video on YouTube called the death of gigers alien , you should watch it , it basically gets at the heart of what is wrong with covenant.

Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Apr 25, 2018, 05:08:07 AM
Yeah I'm 90% sure it all boils down to the fallout giger had with fox over alien 3 , I think fox and gigers estate basically just hate each other now.
Even if I take giger out of the situation , alien: covenant was just a bad film , the fact all those films boiled down to one renegade android creating the xeno was just ridiculous, there's a video on YouTube called the death of gigers alien , you should watch it , it basically gets at the heart of what is wrong with covenant.

Right. Except that's just your opinion.  ::)

And I'm not interested in the video, I feel perfectly fine about liking Covenant.

Well yeah sure it's my opinion , but there's plenty of evidence to back up my claims , which is why I mentioned the video , but if you feel like that fine and don't talk to me because there is no need to be rude and shady , if you like the film that's cool , I didn't deal with it.

We're not getting AC2 are we.  :'(

oh well... where's da booze. Hopefully that predator movie does better.

QuoteWhat annoys me the most is some people don't seem to want to recognise that giger created the alien. So what he didn't have a part in the production, he's still the brainchild that created the Xeno.

The opposite is true.

The Alien was created by Dan O'Bannon and Ron Shusett.  Without them there was no need for Giger.  Ron Cobb came up with the idea of the acid blood.  The facehugger and chestburster are the work of Roger Dicken.  All supervised by Ridley Scott.

And yet so many people claim the Alien is solely Giger's creation.

Why didn't Dan O'Bannon or John Hurt get an 'In memory of'?  Both of them were integral parts of the Alien canon too.

Quote from: SM on Apr 25, 2018, 06:02:21 AM

QuoteWhat annoys me the most is some people don't seem to want to recognise that giger created the alien. So what he didn't have a part in the production, he's still the brainchild that created the Xeno.

The opposite is true.

The Alien was created by Dan O'Bannon and Ron Shusett.  Without them there was no need for Giger.  Ron Cobb came up with the idea of the acid blood.  The facehugger and chestburster are the work of Roger Dicken.  All supervised by Ridley Scott.

And yet so many people claim the Alien is solely Giger's creation.

Why didn't Dan O'Bannon or John Hurt get an 'In memory of'?  Both of them were integral parts of the Alien canon too.

Definitely got a point there.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 25, 2018, 05:50:26 AM
We're not getting AC2 are we.  :'(

oh well... where's da booze. Hopefully that predator movie does better.

Yeah I'm starting to think we might not get another prequel at all. But who knows, maybe Disney will give Ridley one last chance. I have a feeling they'll do nothing though.. these are dark days.

SM Iv had this out with you before of course giger designed the alien .. "Fox studios were initially wary of allowing Giger onto the project, saying that his works would be too disturbing for audiences, but eventually relented. Giger initially offered to completely design the Alien from scratch, but Scott mandated that he base his work on Necronom IV"


The Alien was created by Dan O'Bannon and Ron Shusett in terms of script, it was exclusively  designed by giger along with the xeno egg and
The face hugger and the derelict and the space jockey , he is the sole designer of everything we have come to love about alien.

Without giger on board it would of been another B movie. Stop spreading misinformation. Giger is the designer and it's simply a FACT.

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And design/create are pretty much the same word.

What misinformation is this?

Iv just explained .. giger designed the alien and your trying to tell people he didn't .

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By your logic if I write down an idea for a robot , then some takes that idea and designs a transformer , I created the transformer. It's nonsense. Sure they all helped create the film , but the design work was down to giger alone, with Ridley guiding him on what he wanted.

QuoteIv just explained .. giger designed the alien and your trying to tell people he didn't .

Where did I do that?

QuoteBy your logic if I write down an idea for a robot , then some takes that idea and designs a transformer , I created the transformer.

Only if you wrote down the idea for a robot that can transform into something else, could you claim some credit.

QuoteSure they all helped create the film , but the design work was down to giger alone, with Ridley guiding him on what he wanted.

Nope.  Dicken created the final designs for the hugger and burster, and many helped create not only how the Alien looked, but also how it acted and what it's characteristics were.

Ok SM if you say so , I don't have time to argue Iv got work soon. You think what ever you want, but for anyone who wants to know the truth, a simple read into gigers life will expose SM as a liar. I'm done trying to tell you that you are wrong , there is a difference between creating an idea , and someone designing that idea , they both created the same thing on paper , but in reality in aliens case there was a spectacular difference, but  believe what ever you want to believe. I really don't care.

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Where did you say that ????


SM Posted 38 minutes ago
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The opposite is true.

The Alien was created by Dan O'Bannon and Ron Shusett.  Without them there was no need for Giger.  Ron Cobb came up with the idea of the acid blood.  The facehugger and chestburster are the work of Roger Dicken.  All supervised by Ridley Scott.

Create/design are interchangeable words , don't know if you noticed SM

Perhaps when you have time you could deign to point out where I've said something that is incorrect.

I already have . I'm done SM.

Convenient.

Create and design aren't always synonyms, either.

Giger did create the idea for the inner jaw, though, so he's got that in the creation department.

Dude go and reeducate yourself and read Gigers alien by giger , so giger didn't create Necronom IV correct ?

Did someone suggest that?

I'm not talking about who thought of the idea am I ?

O'bannon
"His paintings had a profound effect on me. I had never seen anything that was quite as horrible and at the same time as beautiful as his work. And so I ended up writing a script about a Giger monster"

That's from the horses mouth I rest my case , case closed !

QuoteI'm not talking about who thought of the idea am I ?

Don't know.  Are you?

You seem to be assuming people are saying things they haven't actually said.

Ok SM show me your evidence that giger didn't create the xenomorph .

I didn't say that he didn't create it; only that he didn't all on his own.  It was a collaboration.

O'Bannon didn't base it on the Necronom painting.

Sm you are a liar .....


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What annoys me the most is some people don't seem to want to recognise that giger created the alien. So what he didn't have a part in the production, he's still the brainchild that created the Xeno.

YOU

The opposite is true.

The Alien was created by Dan O'Bannon and Ron Shusett.  Without them there was no need for Giger.  Ron Cobb came up with the idea of the acid blood.  The facehugger and chestburster are the work of Roger Dicken.  All supervised by Ridley Scott.


Caught red handed stop going back on your words bro , you did say giger didn't create it , you are a troll.

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And O'bannon is lying about himself is he ? Right ok that makes total sense SM.

The opposite is true in that people always laud Giger, and forget the other people involved in the Alien's creation.  As this discussion attests to.

Please point out the bit where I said Giger didn't create it.

No you are back tracking because you got caught out . I'm well aware of O'bannon, I was going on about the designs , it was clear as day light what I was going on about , when I kept using the word gigerism !!!

You used the word Gigerism once - just then.

Simply claiming I'm lying or backtracking or whatever over and over isn't doing you any favours.  Particularly since you can't back any of it up.

If you want to assume people are saying things they aren't, that's fine - just don't expect to not be called out on it.

Perhaps you should read the conversation from the very beginning then , rather than jumping on something half way through , and then you would understand the context it was in and your right , it is all there for the whole world to see , I wonder who's right by the end of the day SM . Laters dude.

Yea SM hasn't said anything contradictory to the point or truth. We all know, err most of us know that the beast is Giger's and that it takes a team to create quality content. I mean does anyone ever think about the importance of proper lighting and sound effects? The alien wouldn't be what it is today without proper lighting and hissing. What about all those snappy costumes and all of that tax credit paper work that has to get done.

... or those poor high schoolers than have to clean the theater after half the audience pisses themselves as the alien busts through Kanes chest.

For that matter dose anyone think about all those poor alien fanboys who help keep this beast living?

Where's their credit? :P

QuoteI wonder who's right by the end of the day SM

I won't.

Whiterabbit I never said a team wasn't helping , I just said giger created the look of the beast and most of the props and I stand by that. Just because you have penned a script , doesn't mean you created everything that's born out of it . O'bannon has aready set the record straight and said he basically wrote a script around a giger monster as he so elegantly put it. So I stand by what I said, and while Sm does make some good points , the way he is constantly trying to argue with me , I just don't get what his original point was in the first place , he clearly missed the context of what I was saying originally about alien covenant.

Let's take a step back please. No-one is saying Giger didn't design the Alien, or that he doesn't deserve credit. As SM points out, Giger is actually the one who gets most of the credit when it comes to the Alien's creation. And it's true, without his originality Alien wouldn't be the success it is but he is one person out of several involved in bringing the Alien to life.

Anyway, let's actually return to the topic at hand.

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And snipped. As I asked before, back on topic please.  :)

this comment section is amazing, [ Grabs popcorn ].....


2bh i hope we don't get anymore Alien films from Scott. Covenant has ruined everything for me. He's gone all George Lucas and lost the plot. I don't mind him making a android film based in the same universe but for the love of god keep it away from the Alien. Wish to god we got Neill Blomkamp's Alien 5 instead. Who knows may be Disney will give Neill the chance after the Fox/Disney deal.

Blomkamp's A5's the only way forward IMO.
I know, that will doing away with AC sequels etc. But I say better cut our losses (especially when we know where it was all heading- sacrilege..!). Maybe they can do a hazy clip at the beginning of A% of A3, AR, AC etc, then have older Ripley wake up to hint it was all just a big long nightmare...

Shame they decided to explore the engineers IMO. Just like with the "The Thing" prequel, they explained things which, yes, you will always wonder about but which, ultimately, are just best unexplained, left to our imagination. "Things unknown and unknowable", as HPL would say.

I'm not a huge fan of the prequels but I enjoyed them enough and am sufficiently interested to want Scott to cap off the trilogy.

However, I have to admit to having bad feelings about this.

I originally thought Scott, Lindelof and Spaihts had mapped out all 3 films. But then the release of Covenant revealed a mid-course correction mandated by the studio in order to "bring back the beast." So the Shaw plot line seems to have bitten the dust. Does this mean the entire 3 movie story arc is now thrown to the winds? Are we re-entering the territory of ad hoc serial writing again? (Shades of the new Star Wars trilogy debacle here.)

When you sit down to enjoy a good story nothing is more disturbing than the realisation that the storyteller doesn't know where he's going, that the tale is being made up as he goes along. Remember when JJ Abrams and Lindelof brought Lost to the TV screen? What mystery force brought all these people to the island? What was the invisible monster in the jungle? Who built the sealed bunker hidden in the ground? That was a great show until we realised the writers were as stupefied as we were. In the end, no one enjoys a shaggy dog story.

But maybe Scott has the spine of the story intact and under control. I'm hoping...

TC

Yeah... Neill Blomkamp can restore Alien Universe.

I hope they don't wait another 5 years for new movie.

The prequels in a word are a failure, they failed on almost every aspect that made the original movies special. That said, i would have liked Ridley to finish this mess with a third movie, but for the love of god not try to tie it with the Alien 1979 (that would be the least imaginative thing to do) but stray further away from the classics. So the prequels would stop being prequels and become it's own trilogy thing in the alternative universe. There are enough contradictions as it is. It's more than apparent that the writers of this mess were mostly clueless how the story would pan out and Ridley just wasn't feeling it, he would have liked to do a fantasy film about the AI, which without the shoehorned Alien could have been a real classic. Still he need good writers but there were problems with the prequels addition to bad writing.

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Quote from: Alienon on Apr 25, 2018, 11:11:08 AM
Yeah... Neill Blomkamp can restore Alien Universe.

I hope they don't wait another 5 years for new movie.

Neil Blomkamps film would be another fanboy film in alternative Alien universe, but i think at least it could be somewhat fun to watch.

Quote from: Shimmering Canopy on Apr 25, 2018, 10:02:19 AM
Blomkamp's A5's the only way forward IMO.
I know, that will doing away with AC sequels etc. But I say better cut our losses (especially when we know where it was all heading- sacrilege..!). Maybe they can do a hazy clip at the beginning of A% of A3, AR, AC etc, then have older Ripley wake up to hint it was all just a big long nightmare...

Shame they decided to explore the engineers IMO. Just like with the "The Thing" prequel, they explained things which, yes, you will always wonder about but which, ultimately, are just best unexplained, left to our imagination. "Things unknown and unknowable", as HPL would say.

Worst and most unoriginal post I've read in a long time. I thought the reactionary Neil Blomkamp fanboys were long gone (because it turns out nobody cares about Neil Blomhack who's for the most part made shitty films, they were just angry because Covenant ruined their fan theories). Think about what you're asking for m8; the man whose best film is about Apartheid with prawns, making an alien movie. It was and is always going to be shit.

Seeing as people are still talking about Neil Blomkamp's idea for an Aliens film, it would be safe to say your comment is incorrect and unoriginal in itself. To the original poster, you also likely sound like a bitter 'Alien 3' fanboy who is just angry that his idea would wipe that film from the universe's canon.

Just saying.

None of this Alien 3 or Aliens fanboy rubbish, please.

What is up with those comments? Relax, people! Anyway, both Prometheus and Covenant were pretty mutilated in the editing aspect, they cant compromise to their vision and try to appeal to *some* fans at the same time, Covenant was dissapointed on how it did not followed up Prometheus in any way, seems like fox has no idea what to do with the franchise, just let Ridley do his thing, we can still get a third good movie.

Points taken, fair enough
I only mentioned NBK because he's the only director out there who's actively shown interest in the franchise, that's all.  But anyone else with a potentially good enough credentials will do just as fine, defo.

Still think removing the mystery of the derelict was a bad move, not to mention where it was all heading (i.e. human-made robot created the aliens). Besides that, they always seem to overcomplicate things. ust keep it simple: good actors, good script, slow burning, tension-filled. This is why I loved the Aussie film Black Water (2007). Simple, but effective. Now try replacing the croc with an alien, the bush with a lonely offworld base. Wouldn't even need to be an expensive movie. IMHO anyway.

I think the prequels in time will be looked at much much more kindly. Nothing's perfect but overall they are quality made films despite what wannabe Colonial marines or HP Lovecraft fans bleat. It was always such a tall order to satisfy everyone. When Ridley gets round to making directors cuts like some of the great fancuts out there they will be not classics but worthy of their place high up the franchise

It is kind of odd that Katherine Waterston hasn't been approached about the final film. I'm torn about whether I'll bother even watching a third film because I guess I was one of the weirdos that liked exploring the idea of the Space Jockey and was very excited that the Prometheus film was going to do this...or so I thought. I was disappointed with the Deacon thing in Prometheus, but then when Shaw and David left in the Juggernaught to head to the Engineer's home world, I thought maybe just maybe there would be more about the Engineers. Then Covenant comes along and I'm not sure what film I'm watching, and for me the only thing that tied Covenant to Prometheus was the character David. The Engineers are wiped out by David and that's the end of that. So like Jan in the "Brady Bunch," it's David, David, David. What's the deal with David? I don't find the character that interesting anymore now that there is no interaction with Shaw. If all this mischief is caused by a synthetic like David, then just create another synthetic to fix and undo everything that David has done...problem solved.

So to xenomorph or not to xenomorph...is that Ridley's question? Is Ridley still planning to go full circle with a tie-in to the 1979 Alien film? Can he tie the film in anymore with the direction that Covenant went in?

I don't know anymore...I'm suspicious that we'll just get another visually stunning film, but nothing cohesive. I mean we got answers with Prometheus that the Engineers are not what we thought they were (still don't know why the wanted to wipe us out though) and we found out what David was up to in the Covenant film (some of it was nightmarish and scary, but not too scary), so how would anything that's happened in Prometheus and Covenant tie into a third film?

Alas, I'm grateful for Corporal Hicks and this blog as it sounds like some of you guys have better ideas than the studio executives, so at least I can come here and read all the thoughtful and creative ideas you guys have and it's not a total loss.

Yay to Ridley if he can pull off a third film, but where in the world is he going with the film? How in the world is it ever going to tie-in with the original Alien film and LV-426? Is he still planning to do this? He mentioned the xenomorph was cooked (something like the "beast is cooked"), so I thought he was moving in a new direction. Now is he saying he wants to go back to exploring the original xenomorph and alien? Seemed like Covenant was all about David, so will the third film not be about David and it's going to be back to the original xenomorph/alien? So what was the scene with the Deacon in Prometheus about again? Anymore exploration with the Deacon? What about all the new neomorphs with Covenant? Will there be any more development with these creatures? Is this the end of the black goo/accelerant (sp.)? Will we explore anything else with the accelerant?

Maybe I'm just suffering movie-goer fatigue and I've just given up with the whole thing. I feel like the journey with the first two films (Prometheus and Covenant) has left me uninspired because I found them to be so dis-jointed or disconnected (that's just me), so I'm not sure I'm interested in a third film anymore. But who knows...maybe we'll get something that's really interesting and cool? 

man did they screw up the last half of covenant.  they could have made it totally bad ass.   such a shame.   :'(

It would be stupid to make the same move twice or (three times if you include alien 3) to have the Daniels and Tennesse killed at the beginning of the next film, if there is a next film. While the prequels are inferior in my opinion, I would still like some resolution as cliffhangers suck.
Always finish what you start I say.

Quote from: Shimmering Canopy on Apr 25, 2018, 10:02:19 AM
Shame they decided to explore the engineers IMO. Just like with the "The Thing" prequel, they explained things which, yes, you will always wonder about but which, ultimately, are just best unexplained, left to our imagination. "Things unknown and unknowable", as HPL would say.

What did The Thing prequel explain exactly?

I hope disney give scott a chance to conclude what he begun. It would be a real shame if disney just kill the prequel series without proper endgame.

Quote from: David Weyland on Apr 25, 2018, 02:00:47 PM
I think the prequels in time will be looked at much much more kindly. Nothing's perfect but overall they are quality made films despite what wannabe Colonial marines or HP Lovecraft fans bleat. It was always such a tall order to satisfy everyone. When Ridley gets round to making directors cuts like some of the great fancuts out there they will be not classics but worthy of their place high up the franchise

They definitely will. The ending of Covenant with David regurgitating his hidden facehugger embryos to Wagner's music is one of the most beautiful scenes in cinema I have and will ever see.

As to where the third movie might go, f**k knows. Ridley has said a few random things, but nothing is definite until a script is made. They have a pretty open playing field, with David going somewhere with his ship full of colonists, the Engineers yet having to find out what happened to their world, Weyland -Yutani possibly doing stuff too...

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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 24, 2018, 11:19:48 PMPre-production on Alien: Covenant 2 was reportedly supposed to start in the Summer of 2017 but was cancelled following the disappointing Box Office results of Alien: Covenant.

It's still in post-production on Imdb.
Not sure if that means anything.

You mean pre-production? If it was in post-production it would be almost done. IMDb isn't a very reliable source anyway.

Anyway, Scott is "knee-deep" in pre-production on Queen and Country at the moment, so it's going to be a while before he gets back to Covenant 2 if ever.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 25, 2018, 04:21:45 PM
You mean pre-production? If it was in post-production it would be almost done. IMDb isn't a very reliable source anyway.

Anyway, Scott is "knee-deep" in pre-production on Queen and Country at the moment, so it's going to be a while before he gets back to Covenant 2 if ever.

Yeah, pre-production  :laugh:

I'm just thinking that if it's cancelled, they would change it. Time will tell.

We may well get Scott's last film, but there is no chance it goes into any kind of production until the Disney deal is done, so 2019 at the earliest for pre-production.

And I pray that Scott doesn't get to finish it. Disney should go grab Neil instead and gives us a proper Alien movie. Scott has lost his touch. :-[

Oh and whoever wrote the scripts should be stoned. More plot/logic holes than a block of swiss. "Cinerama Sins" on YouTube went on a rampage with Prometheus and Covenant. Someone lock this franchise up before anymore idiots can do even more harm.

Read somewhere Fox was still gonna do a non-Alien related movie before the deal is done. But that'd probably something cheaper and less risky business wise.

Quote from: 6 on Apr 25, 2018, 06:15:14 PM
And I pray that Scott doesn't get to finish it. Disney should go grab Neil instead and gives us a proper Alien movie. Scott has lost his touch. :-[

Who says Neill will make a good film?

Quote from: 6 on Apr 25, 2018, 06:19:24 PM
Oh and whoever wrote the scripts should be stoned. More plot/logic holes than a block of swiss. "Cinerama Sins" on YouTube went on a rampage with Prometheus and Covenant. Someone lock this franchise up before anymore idiots can do even more harm.

Cinemasins mostly consists of meaningless dumb critisism and shouldn't be taken seriously.

I'm glad random internet people are not in charge.  :P

Yes but there was clearly massive contradictions to what went before in the original films. So it's not dumb criticism, it's incredibly valid actually. The fact of the matter is covenant underperformed critically as well as commercially. If some people enjoyed the film good for them, but I think for a lot of us, we were severely disappointed with the final product. Even without bad scripts , the execution was still poor, and answering questions with questions only takes us so far before we start to switch of.

Quote from: 6 on Apr 25, 2018, 06:19:24 PM
Oh and whoever wrote the scripts should be stoned. More plot/logic holes than a block of swiss. "Cinerama Sins" on YouTube went on a rampage with Prometheus and Covenant. Someone lock this franchise up before anymore idiots can do even more harm.

Someone make sure this franchise is kept away from anyone who puts any value on CinemasSins.

Quote from: Evanus on Apr 25, 2018, 06:56:33 PM

Who says Neill will make a good film?

Lots of people... and that makes it true.  Don't be contrarian.

Don't be a passive aggressive troll.

Go with the AI angle and leave the Xenomorphs alone.

Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 25, 2018, 03:14:20 PM
It would be stupid to make the same move twice or (three times if you include alien 3) to have the Daniels and Tennesse killed at the beginning of the next film, if there is a next film. While the prequels are inferior in my opinion, I would still like some resolution as cliffhangers suck.
Always finish what you start I say.

I think covenant actually had a rather finite ending. David accomplished his goals and won. We know where he's going, we know what he wants to do, but his overall goals, aside from the queen (which wasn't mentioned in the film itself I believe) were accomplished. He's made his decisions in regards to humanity and the engineers. He got his head re-attached, made it to paradise, eliminated shaw and the engineers, created his perfect organism, escaped the planet, and now has all the tools and human specimens he could ever want or need. He's got a ship and a wide open path to anywhere, with no chance of discovery or punishment by humanity. I think we can definitely move on from here.

I'm personally of the belief that we're just going to keep getting more of the same unless a drastic change is made. The cinema already had (and still has) the perfect vehicle for stories about rogue artificial intelligence, in the Blade Runner movies. I truly respect Scott's abilities as a film - maker and understand his desire to try something new, but this just doesn't seem to be a good fit in the Aliens universe. Fassbender is a fantastic actor, but hours of poorly written characters making bad decisions and David playing the flute, quoting poetry, waxing philosophical and kissing himself just doesn't seem like anything remotely resembling a movie that belongs in the Alien universe. Covenant just felt (to me) like a movie that was cobbled together. It just didn't seem like they have any idea where this is going. It wouldn't be so unfortunate, if not for that fact that the prequels are taking up time and money that could be put towards an actual alien movie. Sakes alive, we didn't even get to enjoy the engineers or their technology in covenant.

Maybe the different direction is a classic alien movie. Something like Alien 1979. Maybe it's another AVP set in space. Maybe it's more of a standalone creature film in the spirit of Alien Resurrection. But whatever the next direction is, I do honestly think that David's story has been well enough resolved for us to move on. Allowing David and his horrific plans to slip quietly away into the infinite darkness is a fine way to end his story, and in my opinion, a very mysterious, spooky, and effective way to do it. We'll never know the horrors he unleashed upon the colonists, but that makes it much more frightening. The whole Alien franchise could've successfully ended with the first film, it also could've ended well with the second or third film. It might not have been possible with Prometheus, but I think with covenant's ending, we've made it to a point where it's creatively feasible to pull away.

Nah I think it left us with a dangling thread to rival Prometheus.

Quote from: SM on Apr 25, 2018, 11:01:39 PM
Nah I think it left us with a dangling thread to rival Prometheus.

Gotta watch out for those dangling ends.  :D The only difference I see between the ending for Prometheus and Covenant, is that Shaw and David were headed towards something, there was something new still to come. With covenant, David's done. His creation is made, and he's in control. Aside from replicating his experiments from paradise, what else is he going to do? It's already done. He obviously never made it to earth and killed everybody, as earth still exists in Aliens, and that was set almost 60 years after the original film.

'Hopefully this transmission
will reach the network...
and be relayed in 1.36 years.
This is Walter, signing off.'

Clutching at straws but Hmm, film released in May 2017. If they were really nerdy we'll get news end of August or thereabouts! 😜

Would make sense commercially to release a film in 2019 to line up with Alien's 40th anniversary

Quote from: Huggs on Apr 25, 2018, 11:06:05 PM

Quote from: SM on Apr 25, 2018, 11:01:39 PM
Nah I think it left us with a dangling thread to rival Prometheus.

Gotta watch out for those dangling ends.  :D The only difference I see between the ending for Prometheus and Covenant, is that Shaw and David were headed towards something, there was something new still to come. With covenant, David's done. His creation is made, and he's in control. Aside from replicating his experiments from paradise, what else is he going to do? It's already done. He obviously never made it to earth and killed everybody, as earth still exists in Aliens, and that was set almost 60 years after the original film.

The two surviving protagonists are still in peril however, and the bad guy wins

It's a more satisfying end than Prometheus, but it doesn't really provide closure.

Quote from: Huggs on Apr 25, 2018, 11:06:05 PM

Quote from: SM on Apr 25, 2018, 11:01:39 PM
Nah I think it left us with a dangling thread to rival Prometheus.

Gotta watch out for those dangling ends.  :D The only difference I see between the ending for Prometheus and Covenant, is that Shaw and David were headed towards something, there was something new still to come. With covenant, David's done. His creation is made, and he's in control. Aside from replicating his experiments from paradise, what else is he going to do? It's already done. He obviously never made it to earth and killed everybody, as earth still exists in Aliens, and that was set almost 60 years after the original film.

Maybe that's the reason why Ridley is interested in AI, because there's nothing new in Covenant's future really. Even the story behind the "big guy in the chair" seems less interesting at this point. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate prequels. But I think some really good opportunities were wasted and I don't see the true potential behind the Prometheus mythology in the final product.

Quote from: Huggs on Apr 25, 2018, 11:06:05 PMGotta watch out for those dangling ends.  :D The only difference I see between the ending for Prometheus and Covenant, is that Shaw and David were headed towards something, there was something new still to come. With covenant, David's done. His creation is made, and he's in control. Aside from replicating his experiments from paradise, what else is he going to do? It's already done. He obviously never made it to earth and killed everybody, as earth still exists in Aliens, and that was set almost 60 years after the original film.

He didn't made it to Earth but it would be interesting if he'd survive the possible sequel.
Him escaping in whatever to wherever.

And even if the sequel would turn out somewhat predictable, I think it still would make a good movie.
A colony shaped in David's vision, new weird experiments, the arrival of a new crew, the return of Engineers, ending in a massive battle with (almost) everybody dying.

But honestly, I just want more David  ;D

The truth is that AI is more relevant today than a scary monster is, although genetic engineering isn't that far off from AI. So Ridley probably thought why not put the two of them together.

Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Apr 26, 2018, 12:10:27 AM

Quote from: Huggs on Apr 25, 2018, 11:06:05 PM

Quote from: SM on Apr 25, 2018, 11:01:39 PM
Nah I think it left us with a dangling thread to rival Prometheus.

Gotta watch out for those dangling ends.  :D The only difference I see between the ending for Prometheus and Covenant, is that Shaw and David were headed towards something, there was something new still to come. With covenant, David's done. His creation is made, and he's in control. Aside from replicating his experiments from paradise, what else is he going to do? It's already done. He obviously never made it to earth and killed everybody, as earth still exists in Aliens, and that was set almost 60 years after the original film.

Maybe that's the reason why Ridley is interested in AI, because there's nothing new in Covenant's future really. Even the story behind the "big guy in the chair" seems less interesting at this point. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate prequels. But I think some really good opportunities were wasted and I don't see the true potential behind the Prometheus mythology in the final product.

Yeah. The engineers getting wiped out was the biggest disappointment of Covenant for me to be honest. I'm not the biggest fan of them being the space jockey, but I still found them interesting and dangerous enough to want to see more, especially more of their technology. So many interesting discoveries, sights and cool scientific concepts went with them. Such a beautiful city, and all we got to see of it was David's house.

That's why I find it so odd when people say things like "I love the prequels, I want more engineers and black goo". I can't help but think, "did you see covenant? It kind of didn't have any". As for the future of the prequels, I personally give it 30/70 that we'll actually ever see a direct sequel to Covenant. I don't see Disney going that route. They're going to wanna make serious cash and go for spectacle. AVP or Cameron's Aliens.

Quote from: SM on Apr 25, 2018, 11:55:59 PM

Quote from: Huggs on Apr 25, 2018, 11:06:05 PM

Quote from: SM on Apr 25, 2018, 11:01:39 PM
Nah I think it left us with a dangling thread to rival Prometheus.

Gotta watch out for those dangling ends.  :D The only difference I see between the ending for Prometheus and Covenant, is that Shaw and David were headed towards something, there was something new still to come. With covenant, David's done. His creation is made, and he's in control. Aside from replicating his experiments from paradise, what else is he going to do? It's already done. He obviously never made it to earth and killed everybody, as earth still exists in Aliens, and that was set almost 60 years after the original film.

The two surviving protagonists are still in peril however, and the bad guy wins

It's a more satisfying end than Prometheus, but it doesn't really provide closure.

I think you can still look at it both ways. If you think of it like a " the monster isn't dead yet" ending, it's still closed. I mean sure you can make a sequel because you have that, but it doesn't feel as necessary as Shaw asking David to go check out the Engineers home world.

One of my main criticisms of Covenant was the mean ending.  Danny, T and Walter being marooned would've been a preferable 'baddie wins' ending than being completely at his mercy.  I can live with a 'monster isn't dead yet' ending - which is a little like Alien with the thousands of eggs left on the planet - if the protagonists still come out on top in some respect.

Would you say it was any meaner than Alien 3?

Ripley defeated both the Alien and the Company in Alien 3.

Alien 3 is the perfect ending. I must admit I don't really dig the David ending, but it's more because I thought Daniels should have got it. I felt like that cheapened her efforts.

Quote from: SM on Apr 26, 2018, 02:55:58 AM
Ripley defeated both the Alien and the Company in Alien 3.

But Hix & Noot!

Partially redeemed by the end.

Shame to hear about this, regardless Happy Alien Day over here in the UK, many hours later the USA and else where will celebrate Alien Day

Say what you want about Alien 3 but it tied up Ripley's arc nicely and it was a definite end.

I think alien 3 is so underrated, sure it had a troubled production but at least it tried to pull it back to its roots of being a horror film, as good and iconic as aliens was , it destroyed what was special about the first one imo , and reduced the Xeno to being something on par with a bug hunt, alien 3 tried to repair that damage and that's why I respect it.

Why are we talking about Alien 3 in a thread about the prequels being dead

Context, the discussion came from talking about the ending of Covenant and comparing the ending.

For me, the only way to end this prequel debacle with a sweet note is to let David create a biomechanical and gigeresque Big Chap (aka The Alien from Alien 1). Of course, not even that will happen.  ::)

And yet, the one and only abominations in this franchise are Alien:Resurrection (goddamn, that cheesy acting) and Prometheus  (no Alien and Space Jockeys ruined) at the end. Covenant (if you can let go of Cthulu stuff) is fine compared to them.

Katherine Waterston on Alien: Covenant 2 – "I Haven't Heard Anything in Ages"

Game over, man. Game over.

And now it sounds like Alien wasn't even mentioned at Cinemacon... on Alien Day.

Quote from: SM on Apr 26, 2018, 02:51:10 AM
One of my main criticisms of Covenant was the mean ending.  Danny, T and Walter being marooned would've been a preferable 'baddie wins' ending than being completely at his mercy.  I can live with a 'monster isn't dead yet' ending - which is a little like Alien with the thousands of eggs left on the planet - if the protagonists still come out on top in some respect.

That's not the way I see it. The ending was TRIUMPHANT, the alien won. Ridley might be saying stuff about AI in interviews, but Covenant is truly about the alien if you ask me. The ending of Covenant signifies the birth of a new race of beings, who are the true center of the movie, not humans or AI.

Quote from: maron on Apr 26, 2018, 03:56:54 PM
For me, the only way to end this prequel debacle with a sweet note is to let David create a biomechanical and gigeresque Big Chap (aka The Alien from Alien 1). Of course, not even that will happen.  ::)

No, that would be horribly unimaginative and disappointing.

I think he already did that.

@reecebomb

Imo, in terms of unoriginality it can't get worse after the unveiling of the Engineers. They should do something good now with David as mustache twirling bad guy, so that the Alien can somehow benefit from this.
Also, bring back Katherine Waterston as cool Queen mutant - the positive, successful equivalent to this Newborn Alien from that one movie we shall never not talk about in future and for all time.


@SM

I have heard so much of the words Neomorph and Protomorph, I presume David isn't done yet.

Neomorph: Fleshy Flesh Mutant
Protomorph: Fleshy Mutant with exosceletton
Big Chap: Mix of Life form and robot (let's say 65% biological and 35% artificial)  - a biomechanical nightmare that feels ALIEN again. A truly unique creation of David.
A....BEAUTIFUL BUTTERFLY *drools*....eh...yeah.

Protomorph is just something made up by fans though.

I'm almost convinced the Covenant Xenomorph wasn't supposed to be the same type of alien as the original, but we'll see. Maybe it is supposed to be the original alien, and they just decided to give it a new design.

Ridley said something about how the evolution of the creature wasn't done yet.  Crew during the Adam savage set visit specifically pointed out how the Covenant alien was intentionally more organic and had less biomech features.

I'm sure the final touch of the biomechanical elements was going to be added in the next film, completing the creation of the alien we know from the original movie.

How will this final evolutionary step happen?  And what becomes of David?  And how did an engineer ship full of eggs end up on LV-426 if the engineers didn't create the aliens?  These questions are why I'll be furious if this trilogy is never completed.

Quote from: necrotard on Apr 27, 2018, 07:48:41 PM
How will this final evolutionary step happen?  And what becomes of David?  And how did an engineer ship full of eggs end up on LV-426 if the engineers didn't create the aliens?  These questions are why I'll be furious if this trilogy is never completed.

"We've come this far, we must go on...we have to go on!"

Quote from: Xeno from Chino on Apr 26, 2018, 04:09:05 PM
Katherine Waterston on Alien: Covenant 2 – "I Haven't Heard Anything in Ages"

Game over, man. Game over.

Is Disney known as a major horror movie studio like Warner Brothers or Universal?
No.
Sad for fans of Alien but that's the way it is.

;)

Did Disney make super hero epics or space sagas before they bough Marvel and Lucasfilm?

Quote from: necrotard on Apr 27, 2018, 07:48:41 PM
Ridley said something about how the evolution of the creature wasn't done yet.  Crew during the Adam savage set visit specifically pointed out how the Covenant alien was intentionally more organic and had less biomech features.

I'm sure the final touch of the biomechanical elements was going to be added in the next film, completing the creation of the alien we know from the original movie.

How will this final evolutionary step happen?  And what becomes of David?  And how did an engineer ship full of eggs end up on LV-426 if the engineers didn't create the aliens?  These questions are why I'll be furious if this trilogy is never completed.

You have to ask yourself though does that actually achieve anything? From what we've seen both past and present the Alien is basically the Alien in Covenant without tinfoil and toilet tubes stuck to it. Scott blew it too early.

The sequence should have went - Deacon thing, Neomorph thing, 3rd film - final reveal - Alien.

At this point seeing David tweak the Alien that already exists 98% complete in Covenant, do we really need that story? The Alien should have been the last stage, the grand finale, but everybody wet the bed.

The final tweak of the alien is honestly the least of my concerns.  I'm much more worried about my other points.  I want to know how Ridley planned to explain the space jockey crash and what becomes of David, who is now a very important character in the overall story of the series.

Quote from: necrotard on May 03, 2018, 10:39:12 AM
The final tweak of the alien is honestly the least of my concerns.  I'm much more worried about my other points.  I want to know how Ridley planned to explain the space jockey crash and what becomes of David, who is now a very important character in the overall story of the series.

Same. To be honest I couldn't give less a crap about the derelict in LV-426 or the egg silo. I think the most elegant way to handle it was for the final installment in the trilogy to hint at bigger things out there, involving the (original) xenomorph and the engineers. Give me more biomech experiments from the engineers, maybe including a giant one fused to a chair, a lab where they're trying out all sorts of weird shit on themselves and xeno like creatures, where they're trying to reach a perfect design based on something above them. Think of a lot of unwilling engineers subjects being used for creepy biomech fusions, maybe having one with elephantine features. See where I'm going with this? It would be a nice parallel to David's story trajectory, kinda proving he's a bit of a fraud, stealing the perfect design from someone above him, becoming what he really hates in the end, human. It would also leave things open for future movies and wouldn't offend the mystery behind the derelict in the first movie. It's just there, the engineers f**ked up. The end. I don't need that explained.

And in practical terms it doesn't need to be a mega expensive movie, War of the Worlds style like Ridley wanted. Just more gothic, Lovecraftian horror will do.

Quote from: necrotard on May 03, 2018, 10:39:12 AM
The final tweak of the alien is honestly the least of my concerns.  I'm much more worried about my other points.  I want to know how Ridley planned to explain the space jockey crash and what becomes of David, who is now a very important character in the overall story of the series.

He's already 80% told it. It's like watching Attack of the Clones then a New Hope, without watching revenge of the Sith. Fill in the blanks.

I mean look at it this way, you could do a sequel that takes place after Alien 3, with David and his experiments. The problem is he/they have shoe horned themselves into this Jockey Story, when honestly I don't really give a rats ass how the ship went down.

I'd be more interested in seeing a movie where David just goes off and does weird things, split off from the Alien timeline, then reboot inside that.

It's not easy to fill in these blanks.  I'm trying to write my own version of events and I constantly run into problems.

---

If you pick and choose what you want to believe, ignoring what the movies tell you, and if you ignore what Ridley has been hinting at in interviews, I'm sure the gap is easy to fill.  But I'm trying to reconcile everything we've been given.

Quote from: necrotard on May 03, 2018, 12:40:57 PM
It's not easy to fill in these blanks.  I'm trying to write my own version of events and I constantly run into problems.

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If you pick and choose what you want to believe, ignoring what the movies tell you, and if you ignore what Ridley has been hinting at in interviews, I'm sure the gap is easy to fill.  But I'm trying to reconcile everything we've been given.

Well we know the SJ is an Engineer, that was really the big one. We know David made the eggs and even if he didn't the eggs were made/designed by the Engineers as weapons. We know the ship crashes. Getting to how the ship crashed is really the only thing left, which honestly isn't as interesting as who is the SJ and what are the Aliens (both answered).

David adding Biomech to the Alien would have been cool if it went from a Neo to the Big Chap, but going from the Covenant to the Big Chap is like changing the seat covers in your car. I mean Covenant is already the movie where David made the Alien. I really don't think the general movie goer would get it. They'd have to add exposition lines to tell the audience that it wasn't the same Alien he just made already, unless he makes the Queen.

Quote from: Highland on May 03, 2018, 02:20:54 PM
Well we know the SJ is an Engineer, that was really the big one. We know David made the eggs and even if he didn't the eggs were made/designed by the Engineers as weapons. We know the ship crashes. Getting to how the ship crashed is really the only thing left, which honestly isn't as interesting as who is the SJ and what are the Aliens (both answered).

The size discrepancy between the space jockey and engineers might be a sloppy change made by Ridley, or it might mean that it's a different creature.  (It doesn't seem like a stretch to think maybe it's one of the creatures that created the engineers, implying that the engineers model their suits after their gods.)

The decay/fossilization of the space jockey is also an issue, (which I also have an idea on how to fix).  Again, is this just Ridley being dumb and lazy or is it something yet to be explained?
We can't know if we never let him finish telling his story.

And if David made the eggs, how in the hell did they end up on an engineer ship?  It's not like the answers are glaringly obvious and simple.  Alien: Awakening does not feel pre-ordained to me as if we all know exactly what's going to happen.

It's not like I'm excited to see the biomech touches added.  That aspect feels like a chore on a checklist at this point, but it's still yet another element that leaves this franchise feeling unfinished.

The other big thing that has yet to be explained is what became of David?  Right now, he's just out there somewhere.  He's a villain.  I want to see him taken down.  Until that happens, he's basically somewhere in the shadows for the four original movies.

I value this timeline and I love these movies.  I want them to work together and I don't want reboots.  Right now, there's a gap that I don't know how to fill and it's so much more complicated than just wondering how one single ship crashed.

And if you're a Star Wars fan, would it honestly not have bothered you at all if the franchise just stopped cold turkey after Episode II?

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Quote from: Highland on May 03, 2018, 02:20:54 PM
Well we know the SJ is an Engineer, that was really the big one. We know David made the eggs and even if he didn't the eggs were made/designed by the Engineers as weapons. We know the ship crashes. Getting to how the ship crashed is really the only thing left, which honestly isn't as interesting as who is the SJ and what are the Aliens (both answered).

The size discrepancy between the space jockey and engineers might be a sloppy change made by Ridley, or it might mean that it's a different creature.  (It doesn't seem like a stretch to think maybe it's one of the creatures that created the engineers, implying that the engineers model their suits after their gods.)

The decay/fossilization of the space jockey is also an issue, (which I also have an idea on how to fix).  Again, is this just Ridley being dumb and lazy or is it something yet to be explained?
We can't know if we never let him finish telling his story.

And if David made the eggs, how in the hell did they end up on an engineer ship?  It's not like the answers are glaringly obvious and simple.  Alien: Awakening does not feel pre-ordained to me as if we all know exactly what's going to happen.

It's not like I'm excited to see the biomech touches added.  That aspect feels like a chore on a checklist at this point, but it's still yet another element that leaves this franchise feeling unfinished.

The other big thing that has yet to be explained is what became of David?  Right now, he's just out there somewhere.  He's a villain.  I want to see him taken down.  Until that happens, he's basically somewhere in the shadows for the four original movies.

I value this timeline and I love these movies.  I want them to work together and I don't want reboots.  Right now, there's a gap that I don't know how to fill and it's so much more complicated than just wondering how one single ship crashed.

And if you're a Star Wars fan, would it honestly not have bothered you at all if the franchise just stopped cold turkey after Episode II?

In addition, the Derelict seems to be designed to transport eggs instead of urns, which is odd now that we know that David created the Alien. Although I can imagine the whole Covenant crew becoming the eggs.

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The egg hall in Alien didn't really seem to be a part of the ship.

I mean, look at that:
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That's huuuge. Too big to be a part of the ship, I think.

Maybe is a cousin of...

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I suppose it is.  :D

But I really wonder how they're going to explain all these things in the next film, if they want to link it back to Alien. It'll be interersting.

Yeah, it looks like a complex of underground catacombs made by the Engineers. They probably will never explain it, but I am very curious to know a canonical answer to such detail. It would be interesting indeed.

Quote from: SM on May 03, 2018, 10:23:25 AM
Did Disney make super hero epics or space sagas before they bough Marvel and Lucasfilm?

Yes, Disney tried that a decade or more ago.
- Space Travel science-fiction; The Black Hole and more recently WALL-E through Pixar.
- Superheroes; The Incredibles by Pixar.

* Disney has had a desire for a long time to be successful in these family friendly genres. That is why they bought the MCU and Lucas film.
Disney also wants the Avatar franchise. This is a major reason why they bought Fox's movie division.

Disney wants more huge blockbusters which reach a wide demographic. The Alien franchise is in the smaller niche of science fiction/horror which before a decade ago, Disney had shown little interest.

Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on May 03, 2018, 06:53:53 PM
Yeah, it looks like a complex of underground catacombs made by the Engineers. They probably will never explain it, but I am very curious to know a canonical answer to such detail. It would be interesting indeed.

In the early "Alien" concepts/novelization, the egg chamber seemed to be outside of the derelict ship. In pre-production, there were drawings of a dome which could contain the eggs.
In the final film that idea was set aside and the egg chamber was put on the derelict.

;)

QuoteYes, Disney tried that a decade or more ago.
- Space Travel science-fiction; The Black Hole and more recently WALL-E through Pixar.
- Superheroes; The Incredibles by Pixar.

None of these qualify as super hero epics or space sagas.

Dimension was owned by Disney while they were making Halloween, Children of the Corn and Hellraiser movies.

Not sure why you'd think Disney buying Fox would be any different to Disney buying Pixar, Marvel or LFL.

And I'll see your Black Hole and raise you a Watcher In The Woods.

Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on May 03, 2018, 06:53:53 PM
Yeah, it looks like a complex of underground catacombs made by the Engineers. They probably will never explain it, but I am very curious to know a canonical answer to such detail. It would be interesting indeed.

Originally the eggs were in a separate building, a pyramid. Native to the planet.
And the Engineers were visitors from another planet, who just like the humans checked out the temple and got into trouble.
Because of the budget, they merged the Derelict with the temple.

When you see the Juggernaut taking off in Prometheus, it's pretty big. Making me think we didn't see the whole interiour.
It's possible there are different rooms or floors. Like some big hangar in the belly of the ship.
Or maybe David finds a ship on Origae-6 and changes it to fit his plans.

Quote from: necrotard on May 03, 2018, 03:07:47 PM

Quote from: Highland on May 03, 2018, 02:20:54 PM
Well we know the SJ is an Engineer, that was really the big one. We know David made the eggs and even if he didn't the eggs were made/designed by the Engineers as weapons. We know the ship crashes. Getting to how the ship crashed is really the only thing left, which honestly isn't as interesting as who is the SJ and what are the Aliens (both answered).

The size discrepancy between the space jockey and engineers might be a sloppy change made by Ridley, or it might mean that it's a different creature.  (It doesn't seem like a stretch to think maybe it's one of the creatures that created the engineers, implying that the engineers model their suits after their gods.)

Scott said the SJ was a pilot in a suit, we've seen their home planet.  I think that's been put to bed.

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The decay/fossilization of the space jockey is also an issue, (which I also have an idea on how to fix).  Again, is this just Ridley being dumb and lazy or is it something yet to be explained?
We can't know if we never let him finish telling his story

Or it could have been Frozen or decayed because of the breach in the hull.

QuoteAnd if David made the eggs, how in the hell did they end up on an engineer ship?  It's not like the answers are glaringly obvious and simple.  Alien: Awakening does not feel pre-ordained to me as if we all know exactly what's going to happen.

David can fully operate Engineer ships, it's not a stretch to imagine he just put them there.

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And if you're a Star Wars fan, would it honestly not have bothered you at all if the franchise just stopped cold turkey after Episode II?

Of course, because Star Wars was designed and written as a trilogy. The Alien prequels clearly are not.

Did Ridley ever specifically come out and say for sure that the space jockey was an engineer?  I listened to the Prometheus commentary during the engineer scenes and he does seem to suggest it, but never outright says it.

Maybe I am over-complicating this... maybe it is as simple as David completing his biomechanical creations on Origae 6, then engineers come and take his eggs, or David plants eggs on an engineer ship.

I've been trying to fix the size and fossilization discrepancies, but maybe they will just be glossed over in Ridley's version with little to no reasoning.

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The end of the Advent short seems so tantalizing too.  What is David requesting from the company?

But maybe it's as simple as David notifying them of his creature's existence, telling them to come get specimens by any means necessary, such as sacrificing the Nostromo crew or making Hadley's Hope.

QuoteDid Ridley ever specifically come out and say for sure that the space jockey was an engineer?  I listened to the Prometheus commentary during the engineer scenes and he does seem to suggest it, but never outright says it.

He does in the making of doco.

Quote from: SM on May 03, 2018, 08:31:36 PM
Dimension was owned by Disney while they were making Halloween, Children of the Corn and Hellraiser movies.

Good catch. You are right about Dimension (which was part of the Miramax deal).
- However, Dimension was a small, low budget studio.
But still that Dimension deal supports your point that Disney could let the Fox movie division do what it wants.
We'll see.

* By me;

QuoteYes, Disney tried that a decade or more ago.
- Space Travel science-fiction; The Black Hole and more recently WALL-E through Pixar.
- Superheroes; The Incredibles by Pixar.

Quote from: SM on May 03, 2018, 08:31:36 PM
None of these qualify as super hero epics or space sagas.

Because epics/sagas (a big box office multi-film franchise) was very hard to do.
The Black Hole failed at the box office.
With Warner Brothers, Superman 3/4 were failures. So were Batman 3/4.
Marvel was nothing in films before X-Men.
Romancing the Stone didn't lead to a franchise and so on.

* My point was that Disney released films in the sci-fi space travel / superhero genres. They were interested in doing those kinds of films.
At the same time for decades, Disney didn't release a space alien science fiction horror movie similar to the Alien franchise.

;)

And they're not about to start.  They can get Fox to make them for them.

Quote from: SM on May 04, 2018, 09:29:02 PM
And they're not about to start.  They can get Fox to make them for them.

At this point I think we are about on the same page (after discussing what Disney did with Dimension & Miramax's Lord of the Rings project).
You are just optimistic about what Disney will do with another Alien film while I'm pessimistic.
Fair enough.

* On an earlier topic in this thread, the ending of Covenant, imo this is reversed.
You reacted in a more pessimistic way, while I'm optimistic.

Quote from: SM on Apr 26, 2018, 02:51:10 AM
One of my main criticisms of Covenant was the mean ending.  Danny, T and Walter being marooned would've been a preferable 'baddie wins' ending than being completely at his mercy.  I can live with a 'monster isn't dead yet' ending - which is a little like Alien with the thousands of eggs left on the planet - if the protagonists still come out on top in some respect.

I'm optimistic about this since the beings to overcome David are hinted in AC.
- Walter; Prometheus showed how hard it is to completely destroy an android. David didn't have much time (to melt Walter like Ash). Even if Walter is in pieces, he can be put back together. And once that happened, he'd try to stop David.
- The Engineers; they are a galactic species. Some Engineer crew is going to find what took place on their homeworld and go after David.

Just my personal reaction which in no way tries to negate how you felt.

;).

QuoteYou are just optimistic about what Disney will do with another Alien film while I'm pessimistic.

I don't have a clue either way.  The point is I'm optimistic that Fox will simply change parents from News Corp to Disney, but essentially retain it's overall identity.

I think Hicks mentioned somewhere that Disney was only going to keep the Fox Searchlight Pictures division (basically a distributor for indie, arthouse and smaller foreign films). Didn't look like they were planning to keep the main 20th Century Fox label with the "a news corp company" changed to "a Disney company" unfortunately. 

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 05, 2018, 03:35:30 PM
I think Hicks mentioned somewhere that Disney was only going to keep the Fox Searchlight Pictures division (basically a distributor for indie, arthouse and smaller foreign films). Didn't look like they were planning to keep the main 20th Century Fox label with the "a news corp company" changed to "a Disney company" unfortunately.

It depends on the source whether the Disney / Fox merger will include all the Fox movie division.
Some sources say the merger will include Deadpool (X-Men) and the Alien franchise.

* Ryan Reynolds on being forced to take out a Disney joke from Deadpool 2.

QuoteFox made me take it out," Reynolds said. "It had more to do with Disney, and they made me take it out.

http://www.indiewire.com/2018/05/fox-ryan-reynolds-cut-deadpool-2-joke-disney-1201960099/

* Reynolds talking about how Disney would treat Deadpool;

QuoteReynolds admitted. "I read that [CEO and chairman] Bob Iger felt that there's plenty of room in that universe to have a rated-R character like Deadpool. This is completely conjecture on my part, but I wouldn't imagine that Disney bought Fox to dismantle it or something like that. I think that Disney bought Fox so it could have that in its arsenal."

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/05/02/deadpool-disney-fox-merger-ryan-reynolds/

* Ridley Scott on what Disney will do with the Alien franchise;

QuoteIt looks to me that the Fox deal is certainly going to go ahead with Disney, and I've been with Fox for a number years now. I'm hoping I'll still probably be there so whether or not they go ahead with such a dark subject, being Disney, as Aliens remains to be seen.

http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/ridley-scott-alien-franchise-disney/

;)

Quote from: bb-15 on May 05, 2018, 07:55:34 PM
It depends on the source whether the Disney / Fox merger will include all the Fox movie division.
Some sources say the merger will include Deadpool (X-Men) and the Alien franchise.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Alien franchise was included in the deal. It's only Fox News Corp that still belongs to Murdoch. It just looks like they may not be using the 20th Century Fox brand anymore which will be a pity if true. Makes more sense to me to keep it and finance and distribute all the stuff that might be inappropriate for the Disney brand under Fox as a separate entity.

Tradition has it, we get an Alien movie every 5-6 years, so I don't know why people would expect another one so soon. 

It's nothing to do with tradition.  It's success of previous installament, willingness to move on to another, and being able to get their shit together.

I think what gets in the way of making more frequent films is the studio's almost unrealistic expectation to bring in huge box office results with them, or reclaim the glory of the first films. Ridley seemed pretty keen on making heaps more Alien movies, but at the end of the day it seems like it's governed by results and fan reaction, which is sort of a shame. They really should just settle on making decent films with not as much pressure on bringing in big bucks. Personally, I think Prometheus and Covenant did well and most people liked them, but it's still not enough.

Prometheus and Covenant cost way too much imo. These films should go to a mid range budget well under 100 million as there's much less risk and greater chance for reward.

They were cheap, particularly Covenant, by current standards.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 05, 2018, 09:19:37 PM

Quote from: bb-15 on May 05, 2018, 07:55:34 PM
It depends on the source whether the Disney / Fox merger will include all the Fox movie division.
Some sources say the merger will include Deadpool (X-Men) and the Alien franchise.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Alien franchise was included in the deal. It's only Fox News Corp that still belongs to Murdoch. It just looks like they may not be using the 20th Century Fox brand anymore which will be a pity if true. Makes more sense to me to keep it and finance and distribute all the stuff that might be inappropriate for the Disney brand under Fox as a separate entity.

The latest I've read is that Comcast is trying to outbid Disney for the Fox TV/movie assets.
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/05/comcast-preparing-hostile-bid-for-fox-properties-and-control-of-hulu/

Just from an Alien franchise POV, with my speculation, a Comcast takeover of Fox would lead to a better chance of another Alien movie being done br Ridley Scott.

Quote from: SM on May 06, 2018, 08:49:02 PM
They were cheap, particularly Covenant, by current standards.

Correct.
And "Prometheus" made 3x its production budget at the box office which is good for an Alien movie after "Aliens".
"Covenant" cost less than $100 million which is very cheap for a high quality space travel science fiction movie.

Imo the franchise just needs to be owned by a studio which is satisfied with a little profit on a new Alien film and isn't expecting a blockbuster.

;)

Quote from: bb-15 on May 08, 2018, 10:02:30 PM
The latest I've read is that Comcast is trying to outbid Disney for the Fox TV/movie assets.
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/05/comcast-preparing-hostile-bid-for-fox-properties-and-control-of-hulu/

Just from an Alien franchise POV, with my speculation, a Comcast takeover of Fox would lead to a better chance of another Alien movie being done br Ridley Scott.

Yeah, it seems the deal between Fox and Disney hasn't been cemented yet. But here's the correct thread for the Disney/Comcast discussion:

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=59121.375 (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=59121.375)

QuoteJust from an Alien franchise POV, with my speculation, a Comcast takeover of Fox would lead to a better chance of another Alien movie being done br Ridley Scott.

Possibly, if Universal Pictures (owned by Comcast) continues the franchise. Scott has done a couple of films for Universal so he has the connections. But even if Disney buys the Alien franchise I don't see why they won't hire Scott either.

My prediction: Ridley ends up directing a Ripley movie. A post-Aliens movie.

With Fassbender possibly reprising his irresistible David.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 09, 2018, 03:40:50 PM
Possibly, if Universal Pictures (owned by Comcast) continues the franchise. Scott has done a couple of films for Universal so he has the connections. But even if Disney buys the Alien franchise I don't see why they won't hire Scott either.

Especially with him getting in there with Merlin. Not that I'd want Scott to helm another Alien film.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 09, 2018, 06:01:15 PM

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 09, 2018, 03:40:50 PM
Possibly, if Universal Pictures (owned by Comcast) continues the franchise. Scott has done a couple of films for Universal so he has the connections. But even if Disney buys the Alien franchise I don't see why they won't hire Scott either.

Especially with him getting in there with Merlin. Not that I'd want Scott to helm another Alien film.

Scott is a fantastic filmmaker. He attracts great talent, and his movies look beautiful. His vision for the Alien films though, is questionable. As a lifelong Alien fan, I'd rather he not do another.

I love Ridley's vision, myself. The films themselves just needed a little more ironing out. It would be great, too, if he could make them longer than 2 hours.

Quote from: Huggs on May 09, 2018, 10:35:35 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 09, 2018, 06:01:15 PM

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 09, 2018, 03:40:50 PM
Possibly, if Universal Pictures (owned by Comcast) continues the franchise. Scott has done a couple of films for Universal so he has the connections. But even if Disney buys the Alien franchise I don't see why they won't hire Scott either.

Especially with him getting in there with Merlin. Not that I'd want Scott to helm another Alien film.

Scott is a fantastic filmmaker. He attracts great talent, and his movies look beautiful. His vision for the Alien films though, is questionable. As a lifelong Alien fan, I'd rather he not do another.

Who else but Ridley Scott could make a film with the literally perfect ending that Covenant had? I'd rather have a movie with ups and downs that touches your heart at the end than just a decent action flick.

Literally any other filmmaker.

Quote from: SiL on May 10, 2018, 09:22:11 PM
Literally any other filmmaker.

You literally shouldn't be throwing around "literally" that easily.

Still to be honest about it, fat chance if we're going to get another alien movie any time soon. I mean Ii hope there will be one but the odds are not that great.

Quote from: SiL on May 10, 2018, 09:22:11 PM
Literally any other filmmaker.

We all know that's objectively incorrect, whether you liked Covenant as a whole or not.

Same as the end of Covenant being 'literally perfect', then.

Literally literally.

Still I don't mind Ridley Scott's alien movies. I'd prefer he'd do at least one more.

Quote from: tleilaxu on May 10, 2018, 10:04:09 PMWe all know that's objectively incorrect, whether you liked Covenant as a whole or not.

We all know the ending being "literally perfect" is objective incorrect, whether you liked Covenant as a whole or not.

This prequel story is Ridley's, so to me it makes sense if he's the one to finish it.

Quote from: SiL on May 11, 2018, 04:11:26 AM

Quote from: tleilaxu on May 10, 2018, 10:04:09 PMWe all know that's objectively incorrect, whether you liked Covenant as a whole or not.

We all know the ending being "literally perfect" is objective incorrect, whether you liked Covenant as a whole or not.

Yeah, when it comes to personal taste with a film (work of art) nothing is objectively perfect or not.
Manos Hands of Fate has 10/10 scores on IMDb.
While 2001 has 1/10 scores on the same site.

To me, for movie ratings all we can do is share our personal reactions.

;)

Of course nothing is objectively correct regarding taste, but it's safe to say that e.g. superhero movies (colloquially known as capeshit) are pleb-tier. Covenant's ending was amazing, aesthetically, visually, sonically. The idea to have David play The Entry of the Gods into Valhalla anemically during the first scene with Weyland and to have it all end with glorious triumph to the full orchestra version playing is just 10/10 in my (correct) opinion, but of course this may vary individually whether you're the type who likes Alien for the creature or likes being scared of it.

Quote from: tleilaxu on May 11, 2018, 01:27:35 PM
Of course nothing is objectively correct regarding taste, but it's safe to say that e.g. superhero movies (colloquially known as capeshit) are pleb-tier. Covenant's ending was amazing, aesthetically, visually, sonically. The idea to have David play The Entry of the Gods into Valhalla anemically during the first scene with Weyland and to have it all end with glorious triumph to the full orchestra version playing is just 10/10 in my (correct) opinion, but of course this may vary individually whether you're the type who likes Alien for the creature or likes being scared of it.

You can go to the cinema right this second and buy a ticket to a superhero movie in which the villain wins.

Quote from: Paranoid Android on May 11, 2018, 05:23:29 PM

Quote from: tleilaxu on May 11, 2018, 01:27:35 PM
Of course nothing is objectively correct regarding taste, but it's safe to say that e.g. superhero movies (colloquially known as capeshit) are pleb-tier. Covenant's ending was amazing, aesthetically, visually, sonically. The idea to have David play The Entry of the Gods into Valhalla anemically during the first scene with Weyland and to have it all end with glorious triumph to the full orchestra version playing is just 10/10 in my (correct) opinion, but of course this may vary individually whether you're the type who likes Alien for the creature or likes being scared of it.

You can go to the cinema right this second and buy a ticket to a superhero movie in which the villain wins.

That's not the point, but I'm glad that to hear that a villain can win even in capeshit, maybe there's still hope...

Quote from: tleilaxu on May 11, 2018, 01:27:35 PM
Of course nothing is objectively correct regarding taste, but it's safe to say that e.g. superhero movies (colloquially known as capeshit) are pleb-tier. Covenant's ending was amazing, aesthetically, visually, sonically. The idea to have David play The Entry of the Gods into Valhalla anemically during the first scene with Weyland and to have it all end with glorious triumph to the full orchestra version playing is just 10/10 in my (correct) opinion, but of course this may vary individually whether you're the type who likes Alien for the creature or likes being scared of it.

For someone who likes more art house style of movies, the themes in Covenant, such as about the Entry of the Gods into Valhalla, may be appreciated.
It depends on the viewer. (Since I'm a big fan of "2001", what Covenant was trying to do with David is my kind of film.)

But I'm not typical.
Many people complain that Covenant had too bleak of an ending.
Yet Infinity War has a much darker ending compared with Covenant.

* But the most common reaction to a movie is not intellectual but is at a gut level.
Infinity War is a huge box office hit.
Many more people love it compared with Covenant.

;)

Some thoughts:

-Katherine Waterston has 1 movie coming up, 1 in pre-production and 1 in post production.

-Danny McBride has 1 in pre-production and 2 in post-production.

-Michael Fassbender has 1 in pre-production which is Kung Fury 2. I guess he'll do the voice for one of the characters. And I assume something like this doesn't take that much recording days.
Besides that he has 1 in post-production: X-Men: Dark Phoenix.  Last thing I remember reading is that his parts were filmed. So it's safe to say he's done working on this movie.
So... Imo Fassbender is a quality actor. I find it rather surprising that he hasn't got any other projects lined up.
Could it be he's waiting because of the potential sequel?
To me this kinda makes sense because they'd most likely need Fassbender for a longer period of shooting time than Waterston or McBride. Because I assume they're getting a similar fate as Rapace.

None of them are sitting around waiting for the movie to happen, especially considering Ridley is spinning a ton of plates besides Alien

Considering the downwards trend, if Disney decides to make another Alien film, I seriously doubt a decision would be made to continue down this road.

Well, I guess the TV show rumors could still be true.

But I think Fassbender is just less active these days because he wants to slow down a bit, he's said so in interviews iirc.

"Christopher Marc here... yeah I'm not sure you guys know who I am so I figured I'd make a glorious return to the AVPGalaxy forums, so yeah, I actually started out here in the early 2000s when Fox was mulling over ALIEN 5 vs AVP... then I started doing film stuff in early Facebook groups, then finding images/scoops sending them to places like SlashFilm, FilmSchoolRejects, and FirstShowing- eventually started my own blog Celluloid & Cigarette Burns, and attempted to self-teach aggregation of industry news.

Ended up co-founding OmegaUnderground about four years ago this month, I've done some light freelancing for IGN a while back, we then sold OmegaUnderground to GeeksWorldWide in July and I eventually moved on to writing news for Hybrid Network in Novermber. I've been covering film news since about 2008 so over ten years now.

Concerning our story, this was coming from someone that has been giving some solid film and TV information over the last year, mostly through direct L.A. agency sources (like how the film trades get their information). I totally understand why Mr. H (he blew up at me in direct messages on Twitter yesterday which sparked that debunk video) and others feel the need to be skeptical and from my perspective, this is still super early and is a huge reason why nobody at Fox is confirming this to the community- because like AP pointed out above in my tweet this long-game stuff at the moment it's not something that is coming out in the next couple months or that is being previewed among the community websites- take it as you will, I post production/crew news on a daily basis, I don't waste my time on clickbait... anyways, I hope everyone has a lovely Valentine's Day."

TL;DR

The Isolation series is unrelated, two WIP series exist regardless.

Quote from: The Old One on Mar 22, 2019, 04:25:24 PM
"Christopher Marc here... yeah I'm not sure you guys know who I am so I figured I'd make a glorious return to the AVPGalaxy forums, so yeah, I actually started out here in the early 2000s when Fox was mulling over ALIEN 5 vs AVP... then I started doing film stuff in early Facebook groups, then finding images/scoops sending them to places like SlashFilm, FilmSchoolRejects, and FirstShowing- eventually started my own blog Celluloid & Cigarette Burns, and attempted to self-teach aggregation of industry news.

Ended up co-founding OmegaUnderground about four years ago this month, I've done some light freelancing for IGN a while back, we then sold OmegaUnderground to GeeksWorldWide in July and I eventually moved on to writing news for Hybrid Network in Novermber. I've been covering film news since about 2008 so over ten years now.

Concerning our story, this was coming from someone that has been giving some solid film and TV information over the last year, mostly through direct L.A. agency sources (like how the film trades get their information). I totally understand why Mr. H (he blew up at me in direct messages on Twitter yesterday which sparked that debunk video) and others feel the need to be skeptical and from my perspective, this is still super early and is a huge reason why nobody at Fox is confirming this to the community- because like AP pointed out above in my tweet this long-game stuff at the moment it's not something that is coming out in the next couple months or that is being previewed among the community websites- take it as you will, I post production/crew news on a daily basis, I don't waste my time on clickbait... anyways, I hope everyone has a lovely Valentine's Day."

TL;DR

The Isolation series is unrelated, two WIP series exist regardless.

Uhm... What?

Quite strange.

Lol, I thought people already knew this.. But yeah, it'll be interesting to see if this is really happening or not. Especially with the merger and all.

Quote from: The Old One on Mar 22, 2019, 04:25:24 PM
The Isolation series is unrelated, two WIP series exist regardless.

This is still just a rumour. That someone attempted to get a mini-series made in the past doesn't make last month's rumours a certainty. My understanding of the situation is that there's no live action projects in development. I've seen talk of a bunch of projects, none of them live action.

It doesn't mean that might not be a possibility down the line. Just don't get your hopes up that anything is on the way.

Fair enough.