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Fred Dekker says Predator 4 script complete via Facebook update. News on Predator 4 has been very sparse since it was first announced back in June of 2014. The last we heard on the project was in August when producer John Davis told Collider “this is the most entertaining way to reinvent a franchise.”

In this small update from one of the Predator 4 writers, Fred Dekker posted a picture of a Predator drawn by 7 year old Angus Herndon with the caption: “A character from the new screenplay we just turned in.”

Very few other details about the upcoming Predator sequel are known. The film will be directed by Predator alumni Shane Black (who played Hawkins and was brought onto the original project to provide some oversight). He is also co-writing the script with Fred Dekker who is perhaps most well known for his work on The Monster Squad.

Shane Black’s most recent project has been The Nice Guys, a mystery thriller set in the 1970s staring Ryan Gosling, Russell Crowe and Kim Basinger. The Nice Guys is currently slated for a May 2016 release.

Whilst originally reported as a reboot of Predator, it was later clarified that the project would be a sequel; what Shane Black called an “inventive sequel“. We also know that Robert Rodriguez will not be involved in Predator 4.

And as of June, Arnold Schwarzenegger has not been contacted in regards to appearing in the latest instalment. Although stating he hadn’t be contacted about Predator 4, Schwarzenegger did express confidence in the writing capabilities of Shane Black.

What about you guys and girls? What would you like to see in the new Predator film? Are you confident in Shane Black and Fred Dekker? Let us know in the comments below. Thanks to Johnny Handsome for the tip.

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Sounds good!

Although you might not want to broadcast the fact that RoboCop 3 is one of Dekker's credits :P

If you click on "Facebook Update" you get to a site called "Weyland-Yutani Bulletin". Is that correct?

No, it was a different Facebook group I'd been on whilst I was writing that. I've fixed that.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 30, 2015, 09:54:21 AM
Sounds good!

Although you might not want to broadcast the fact that RoboCop 3 is one of Dekker's credits :P

The concept was good of the Robocop 3 movie,
the execution was poor and weak imo.

If Verhoeven had done the third one i think it could be up there with the other two Robocop movies, as a succesfull trilogy.

I'm looking forward to this. and the fact its a sequel rather than a reboot. Now we can make casting guesses

I just want a movie that I can be happy with. I just want concepts that fit the Predator character while respecting the first two movies that came before. I really don't want anything outlandish or too crazy like how Robert Rodriguez attempted with the movie Predators.

I really want to trust to Shane Black on this movie because of the fact that he had uncredited writing on the first movie.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 30, 2015, 03:53:46 PMI really want to trust to Shane Black on this movie because of the fact that he had uncredited writing on the first movie.

I'm pretty sure his scriptwriting on that didn't go much beyond touching up the odd bit of dialogue.

I didn't give a shit about Shane Black before and I thought Iron Man 3 was a disaster, but atleast he's respecting the canon of the Predator franchise, unlike Blomkamp who just wanted make his fanfiction wet dream take on "Alien 5".

I want them to go crazy, personally.

The reason i find Predators partly so boring (i can't sit through that movie anymore) is because of the homages and the same formula as the first movie. I want something new, something fresh and exciting, we know what a Predator looks like, we don't need another 45 minutes of characters wondering about something the audience already knows for two decades. We have seen Predators in all variations and colors and simply adding a couple more weapons doesn't do it for me this time, i really hope they have something new in store, no homages please, it's getting painful, i would much rather see them do their own thing with it by bringing a fresh story in a new setting and interesting characters.

That is good news. I wish we could see more of the predators homeworld, know more about them who they are and where they come from. It would be cool to see predators go back home alive rather then dead. There should be a movie centred around the predators not humans. Thanks

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 30, 2015, 04:07:26 PM
I want them to go crazy, personally.

Well what I mean by crazy is like.. doing things like setting the movie on the Predator homeworld (why does everyone want this?), or having one muscle bound guy taking on an entire army of Predators ala Rambo and making them fodder, Predator Kings (No, just... NO!), Preserve Planets... I just feel as if those things would do more harm to the franchise than good, and as a fan well.. I haven't been too happy with the newer material coming out.

I want something that again, I can be happy with. I wouldn't mind this movie being set in the past, or in the distant future (with Ridley taking over the Alien franchise, I wouldn't expect it to be set in the Alien timeline) where we can see other alien worlds that aren't controlled by Predators, where we can see them going to these worlds and hunting humans, as well as other alien life forms. I also wouldn't mind it set in the past either... I mean Dark Ages did a wonderful job at that and showed that it could be done!

Only just realised Dekker helped to write the 1991 film Ricochet with Denzel Washington and John Lithgow (and Jesse Ventura). That's a pretty good movie!

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 30, 2015, 04:51:41 PM
Only just realised Dekker helped to write the 1991 film Ricochet with Denzel Washington and John Lithgow (and Jesse Ventura). That's a pretty good movie!

I loved that movie. Best part was when Denzel Washington's character staged a mental breakdown and has it broadcasted on live television, faking his suicide infront of Lithgow's character.

Great news! I agree with Johnny Handsome. We need something as different from Predator and Predator 2 as P2 was different from the original. No homages. Not even "ugly motherf**ker".
Since it was described as "reinvention" of the franchise, I think it's headed in that direction.

Are we certain that this is the shooting script or this is a draft that was handed in?

Black & Dekker co wrote a good screenpay together, The Monster Squad, but Predator is serious business and belongs to a different genre.

As long as they keep the old fashioned design, free cgi costumes, and avoid silly  human/pred team up, super black Ipod predators, and female predators too, we have a tiny chance to get something decent.No miscast too, like Topher Grace or Brody.
In short, do not use the comic books stuffs and focus on what was in Predator and Predator 2.
Beirut , Iwo Jima, Cambodia...(And in the script Negev Desert and Central America.)

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I can agree with that!

Great progress is going good.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 30, 2015, 05:05:22 PM
Are we certain that this is the shooting script or this is a draft that was handed in?

I imagine its just the first draft.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 30, 2015, 05:28:44 PM
I imagine its just the first draft.

That's what I figured!

Would like to see predator explore his emotional side more. Perhaps fall in love and explore the perils of an automatic laser during critcal moments of love making. How he has to wear the mask and he just wants to be accepted for who he is on the inside not the monster people see him as. Or predator vision, invisible cloaking and brutal killings.

Interestingly Shane Black, and Stan Winston creature effects team who were involved in the original Predator also worked on Monster Squad, Fred Dekker was also a co-writer. I read a passage in Stan Winston's book that the effects team were more optimistic of Monster Squad than they were with Predator and didn't hold Predator in high regard, ironically Predator would become more popular with Monster squad only gaining a cult status. Hope this is a project they're genuinely enthusiastic about. In a video interview with Shane Black on Ironman 3 he's asked whetehr5 or not he'd accept an offer from Fox to do another Predator film.

I'll leave the link here.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-VwVAuDLOA 4:45


He essentially says "You don't need to do another Predator movie, You said everything you needed to with the first movie. It all really depends on whether its a story worth telling." I'm wondering if Fox will attempt to reclaim creative control, demand rewrites. I hope that doesn't happen seeing as that's what happened to this years atrocious Fantastic Four Reboot from Fox.

It'd be great once the script is approve they start filming in 2016, head into post production and deliver the film for a 2017 release, coinciding with the Original Predator films 30th Anniversary.

Though a 2017 release would also mean coming out in the same year as Alien Covenant, with the exception of the AV films this will be the first time an Alien and Predator film will have been released in the same year.

I can't help but wonder what is Shane's opinion on the other sequels are. I mean from the sounds of other interviews, it seems like he doesn't think very highly of them considering the fact that he has addressed audience opinions as being quite either lukewarm or disappointing.

2017. would be ideal, but 2 movies in the same year is doubtful. 2018 is too far away guys, who can wait that long. 3 years since the draft was turned in? That's too much. I wouldn't be too surprised if they manage to squeeze it for late 2016. That would be great in terms of waiting time, but the quality of the movie could suffer.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 30, 2015, 06:29:04 PM
I can't help but wonder what is Shane's opinion on the other sequels are. I mean from the sounds of other interviews, it seems like he doesn't think very highly of them considering the fact that he has addressed audience opinions as being quite either lukewarm or disappointing.

Let's hope he doesn't share the same hatred Rodriguez had for Predator2.
I'm still worried by the word "reinventing".If it ain't broke don't fix it, I prefer.

Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Nov 30, 2015, 07:27:37 PM
Let's hope he doesn't share the same hatred Rodriguez had for Predator2.

I never understood exactly.. why Rodriguez hated Predator 2. But you know what, that doesn't matter... because he had intended his movie to be the "true" sequel to the original movie. And well... he couldn't really live up to that either as far as I could tell.

Shane on the other hand... Mmmm... I want to say he could do a much better job but I am not so sure because we know nothing yet. I just hope he actually ignores PREDATORS and decides to do his own thing without setting the movie on the Predator homeworld, or game preserve planets.

Al I can say is that I am so looking forward to it. It can go  so many ways after predators and even after predator 1 and 2 there is loads of options. I am hoping that it would be big. I cant wait.With all the new tech the special effects can be so big  ;)

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 30, 2015, 07:32:41 PM

Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Nov 30, 2015, 07:27:37 PM
Let's hope he doesn't share the same hatred Rodriguez had for Predator2.

I never understood exactly.. why Rodriguez hated Predator 2. But you know what, that doesn't matter... because he had intended his movie to be the "true" sequel to the original movie. And well... he couldn't really live up to that either as far as I could tell.

Shane on the other hand... Mmmm... I want to say he could do a much better job but I am not so sure because we know nothing yet. I just hope he actually ignores PREDATORS and decides to do his own thing without setting the movie on the Predator homeworld, or game preserve planets.

He never explained why he hated it, I guess he  was aware that most people and also a large part fans hate it or feel shame for liking it.Maybe he genuinely hates it tho, the guy has usually bad taste.
Black should ignore Predators, given how lame it was, in my humble personal opinion.

I am so excited for this news. I need a new film to satisfy my Predator addiction!

Bust a gut and get Arnie to do the film,hes the best

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Wow that looks like its gonna be reall good!

Yeah its doubt full, but not out of the question, if this new Predator is green lit and goes into production asap then goes through a lengthy post-production the film could be out for a summer 2017 release while Alien: Covenant comes out later in November assuming of course they don't change the release date of that film again.

I'm sure Fox would rather keep their current Alien and Predator brands in separate release dates, partly so they don't collide having top compete against each other, and also probably not wanting to remind people of the previous cross over attempts and stir up conspiracy of a new AVP film with continuing cinematic universe Alien, Predator tie in film, we the fans are aware that isn't the case however a percent of the general public who don't follow movie news up date could presume other wise.

Fox is prepping their War Of The Planet Of The Apes for a summer 2017 release, seeing as those films have been successful that's a safe bet for them, though they've suffered a blow from the Fantastic Four reboot that flopped to the effect where they've removed the sequel from the intended release date, perhaps even cancel it all together starting from scratch.

What is such a missed opportunity is Neill Blomkamps film, put aside the feelings of it being a glorified fanfic wet dream, the timing was so wrong place wrong time, Ridley Scott was busy on other Projects, Neill has the positive response of the fans convince Fox to green light his movie, Scott immediately insists he's still in charge of the franchises course even though he's taken his f**king sweet time on other movies while we endlessly wait, seriously Alien Covenant will be out 5 years after Prometheus  >:(

Neill has his project shelved and is either going to wait to Scott is either completing his prequel series, or getting involved with other projects never returning to his Alien film. had the timing of been different and had Scott not been so quick to push his movie first, Neill could have put aside Chappie, come back to it later, present his Alien film in 2014, film this year 2015, completed for a release in 2016 coinciding with the 30th Anniversary of James Cameron's Aliens. A sequel that follows in the vein of Aliens brought to a release date that matches with its 30 year celebration.

Though a percent of the films are either lenient or straight up hate what Blomkamp wants to do with his movie. I'm just saying its a missed opportunity they're not taking advantage of this. Alien Covenant will be out and Alien Resurrection would've had its 20th Anniversary. That's not really something to celebrate, the least respected sequel in this series will be 20 years old and it been dead in the water ever since only able to escape with through AVP, Prometheus, all installments that have been made after are set in the past and never move on forward, Alien 5 could hold potential but really it comes across as a too little too late sequel to a film that wasn't well received albeit a few fans enjoy it. Alien 5 seems impossible by now.Blomkamp's film may either never see the light or day or it won't, who knows.

I love all Predator movies I welcome many more.

...if you guys don't know by NOW that the Aliens/Predator/Prometheus/Blade Runner all share the same universe - you are NOT true fans...

Here's a dumbed down 'tie it all together' thingie for YOU:

The Alien / Blade Runner connection:  The guy that made the replicas went to college with the guy that made the cyborgs.  That is the ONLY connection between them - but it lets you know that Alien and Blade Runner are all happening at the same exact time on different sides of the universe.

The Alien / Predator connection:  The Predators use the Aliens as a 'proof of strength' hunting ground for the younger up and coming Predators as well as for general sport.

The Alien / Prometheus connection:  Prometheus happens BEFORE Alien and basically explains where the aliens came from, who the Engineers (Space Jockey) are, and with the next 3 Prometheus movies explain why the aliens were created and what they will be used for - which brings us to our next connection...

The Predator / Prometheus connection:  The Predators and the Engineers are at war.  The aliens were created as a biological weapon.  In Predator 2 during the Trophy Room segment - you can see an Engineer (Space Jockey) helmet hanging on the wall.  But they have it shown as an actual skull when it's actually just the helmet.

...mmkay?
Now that you know THAT - everything should start making more sense as you watch everything and try to understand what is going on.

Smackers, I love the Predator 2 theory of tying into the engineers but come on mang. Its literately impossible for the engineers, which were conceived 20 years later, to be in the Predator 2 movie.

Thank goodness Robert Rodriguez is NOT involved. He shouldn't be anywhere near something this good.

"We also know that Robert Rodriguez will not be involved in Predator 4." The BEST news so far about this movie.

The next Predator will be set during WW2.  It's a toss up between Stalingrad and Iwo Jima as a backdrop.

Quote from: Bob on Dec 01, 2015, 01:25:46 AM
The next Predator will be set during WW2.  It's a toss up between Stalingrad and Iwo Jima as a backdrop.

I would love a Predator film set during WW2. Or even WW1. It could literally be dropped anywhere and still have the potential to be really interesting!

I don't think 2017 is too bad of a shout. I wouldn't think they'd care too much about an Alien and a Predator film being released in the same year. Sure, they're related slightly but not enough to warrant concern over franchise fatigue. And it makes sense to release in the 30th anniversary.

Quote from: Bob on Dec 01, 2015, 01:25:46 AMThe next Predator will be set during WW2.  It's a toss up between Stalingrad and Iwo Jima as a backdrop.

It'd never be Stalingrad. The chances of them making a Predator movie where Americans aren't the main human characters are approximately zero. It's just not that kind of franchise.

I've championed it before and I'll champion it again - they should do 'Nam. It allows them to use the classic jungle but with a legitimate reason for using that setting again. Plus that fact it's a war zone would give it a different spin. And there's always the potential for urban combat in the theatre to be included too.

Quote from: Johnny Smackers on Nov 30, 2015, 11:26:03 PM
The Alien / Blade Runner connection:  The guy that made the replicas went to college with the guy that made the cyborgs.  That is the ONLY connection between them - but it lets you know that Alien and Blade Runner are all happening at the same exact time on different sides of the universe.

I knew something was off about the intro of Blade Runner. The aesthetic is pretty close between the two.

I'm personally carving for a Predator movie with pirates, but I can't figure out the full setting.

I wonder if Arnold will be back :D Dutch!

Quote from: Randomizer on Dec 01, 2015, 09:50:03 AM

Quote from: Johnny Smackers on Nov 30, 2015, 11:26:03 PM
The Alien / Blade Runner connection:  The guy that made the replicas went to college with the guy that made the cyborgs.  That is the ONLY connection between them - but it lets you know that Alien and Blade Runner are all happening at the same exact time on different sides of the universe.

I knew something was off about the intro of Blade Runner. The aesthetic is pretty close between the two.

The idea of them being set in the same universe is something that's been bandied about for sometime now. There's also a shared graphic between the films. I don't think it was ever meant to be anything substantial but there are small easter eggs thrown in there suggesting a link.

Quote from: Mike on Dec 01, 2015, 10:43:26 AM
I wonder if Arnold will be back :D Dutch!

As long as it's not forced, I'm all for Arnie coming back.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 01, 2015, 10:50:00 AMThe idea of them being set in the same universe is something that's been bandied about for sometime now. There's also a shared graphic between the films. I don't think it was ever meant to be anything substantial but there are small easter eggs thrown in there suggesting a link.

Yes, the computer graphic seen when the Nostromo disconnects the docking clamp attaching it to the refinery when they head down to the surface of LV-426 is reused on the screen inside one of the flying police spinners in Blade Runner.

Personally, I'd be fine with them formally tying the two series together, by mentioning Tyrell in the new film or something. They fit quite well, both aesthetically and in terms of their shared themes and tone.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 01, 2015, 10:50:00 AM

Quote from: Randomizer on Dec 01, 2015, 09:50:03 AM

Quote from: Johnny Smackers on Nov 30, 2015, 11:26:03 PM
The Alien / Blade Runner connection:  The guy that made the replicas went to college with the guy that made the cyborgs.  That is the ONLY connection between them - but it lets you know that Alien and Blade Runner are all happening at the same exact time on different sides of the universe.

I knew something was off about the intro of Blade Runner. The aesthetic is pretty close between the two.

The idea of them being set in the same universe is something that's been bandied about for sometime now. There's also a shared graphic between the films. I don't think it was ever meant to be anything substantial but there are small easter eggs thrown in there suggesting a link.

Quote from: Mike on Dec 01, 2015, 10:43:26 AM
I wonder if Arnold will be back :D Dutch!

As long as it's not forced, I'm all for Arnie coming back.

After 30 years i gave up hope on that, and the truth is this movie doesn't need Arnold... but hell that would be sweet!

This new Predator is perfect opportunity for Arnold cameo. I can't get the idea out of my head that the government would contact Dutch in case of emergency to get his advice on how to deal with it. Dutch's face is now perpetually stuck with the look he had in the last scene in the chopper. We see him in some remote cabin, walls full of news reports and research he's done on his own.

I'm actually laughing with the folks who are quite thankful Rodriguez is not a part of this movie! I have to admit, I am quite thankful for that too but I'm just wondering what the premise of the film is going to be, as I am sure a lot of us are wondering too.  :laugh:

Someone had mentioned not wanting a female Predator in this movie well... there is a video on Youtube where Shane discusses on the different Predators we're going to be seeing and he sort of teased the possibility of a female Predator.

I wouldn't mind a female Predator... so long as they don't go down the ridiculous "Give it boobies!" route.

You have to ask how/why defining it as female would be important though.

As long as she doesn't have boobs I'm fine with it.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 01, 2015, 03:33:15 PM
You have to ask how/why defining it as female would be important though.

And that's the important part. Who's to say the ones we've met so far haven't all been female anyway.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - I quite like the theory that the City Hunter in Predator 2 might have been female, if only because it looked so different to the other "classics" we've seen. Different colour, different facial structure. Who's to say it wasn't Mrs. Pussyface?

Eugh, slightly regret typing that...

I've always been interested to see a female Predator on-screen. The design doesn't need to scream, boobs/cleavage. They can design something respectful, and unique/different. I see nothing wrong with the idea/possibility.

As for the setting, I like the idea of it taking place in the past, such as World War 1, World War 2, Cold War, Vietnam, Vikings, Feudal Japan, Medieval...a lot of cool setting opportunities. I honestly, want to see a scene, where a Predator hunts a T-Rex.

Anyway, I'm more excited for Predator 4, and Alien 5, than Alien: Covenant.

I thought Predators was a damn good movie. It did it's job of acting like a reboot having nods to the origional which was awsome. And it did it's job wonderfully of rebooting the Predator franchise and starting from a fresh point after both Avp films. I would of loved to see that Noland Prequel that Nimrod and Robert talked about back then. That would of been so awsome!!!!! But I'm so very much looking forward to the new one!! But getting back to Predators I think was such a badass film I must of watched it a million times and never get tired of it. It's so Rewatchable. Predators to be will and always be a classic. Such an awsome movie!!!!!!!! :D:D :D:D

Quote from: Mike on Dec 01, 2015, 04:09:29 PMIt did it's job of acting like a reboot having nods to the origional which was awsome.

Eugh IT WAS NOT A REBOOT.

Why are people so incapable of knowing what that word actually means?

Regaurdless of what is was still was a damn good film! That started off a fresh story after the Avp films. It did everything right, everything.

I actually prefere AvP over Predators. I like my films being fresh instead of rehearse of classic movie with forced cooler and bigger factor slapped on it.

Quote from: Master on Dec 01, 2015, 04:49:53 PM
I actually prefere AvP over Predators. I like my films being fresh instead of rehearse of classic movie with forced cooler and bigger factor slapped on it.

Agree with you say if predators was the sequel instead of predator 2 then lets say it would get an even worse rating.

Predators was it's own thing, in doing that it was nice that it had many Easter eggs/ nods to the first film while still doing it's own thing. A lot of people agree with that and for those who don't you can also say Predators was a reboot/remake that started off something fresh and new with it's story it provided. It accomplishes all those factors very we'll to I might add. That's the beauty of this film as it also established many branches were the next story can go whether it's a sequel or a prequel like the Noland Ronald story which would of been amazing. But your still always going to have the beauty of the 1st films story and quality that made the break away for the next ones.

Quote from: Mike on Dec 01, 2015, 04:09:29 PM
I thought Predators was a damn good movie. It did it's job of acting like a reboot having nods to the origional which was awsome.

You mean it was a homage fest which heavily played on the homages to where some scenes were shot for shot remakes? Okay then.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 01, 2015, 04:39:21 PM
Eugh IT WAS NOT A REBOOT.

Debatable. It was a reboot in the sense that it ignored the AVP films (and Predator 2 to a lesser extent), similarly to how Godzilla 1985 and Halloween H20 ignored the previous movies which came before them and served as a direct sequel to the original. They're sequels, but they're also reboots in the sense that they're ignoring previous installments. Requels or soft-reboot would be the term I'd use to describe PREDATORS.

Quote from: Mike on Dec 01, 2015, 04:44:26 PM
It did everything right, everything.

No, I would disagree with that. If anything, I thought that the project could have been a lot better. I think the main downfall was the man who was behind the project, Robert Rodriguez. If you read his 1994 script, the man simply just DOESN'T get Predator. Infact it took Litvak and Finch to overhaul the entire script to where it was completely different. Compared to Rodriguez's original idea, this one was miles better but still very mediocre. It added things which were never needed.. such as the Super Predators, who were hyped up to be better than the originals, which.. on screen fell quite flat and we were given characters who on-screen, were never named saved for two or three and therefore, we didn't care for any of them except for maybe one.

Quote from: Master on Dec 01, 2015, 04:49:53 PM
I actually prefere AvP over Predators. I like my films being fresh instead of rehearse of classic movie with forced cooler and bigger factor slapped on it.

My friend, I could give you the biggest bro-hug right now. For once.. we agree on something.

Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Dec 01, 2015, 04:59:34 PM
Agree with you say if predators was the sequel instead of predator 2 then lets say it would get an even worse rating.

Funny thing is, Robert Rodriguez actually hated Predator 2 enough to where he said in an interview that he pretended that the second movie didn't exist and wrote PREDATORS as a follow up to first film. So really... Rodriguez never intended it to be the third film. Unfortunately, this statement and interview is largely ignored by the fans, and Antal's statements are more favored who considered it as the third film... Why anyone would want to associate an awesome film like Predator 2 with this taint, well.. that's up to them. Sadly.. Fox seems to perhaps share the idea of that movie being the third. Ugh.. I hope Shane's movie ignores it. I really do.

Quote from: Mike on Dec 01, 2015, 05:35:35 PM
Predators was it's own thing, in doing that it was nice that it had many Easter eggs/ nods to the first film while still doing it's own thing. A lot of people agree with that and for those who don't you can also say Predators was a reboot/remake that started off something fresh and new with it's story it provided.

There was an interview where Robert had said that the movie was a stand-alone but also a sequel. So by that statement, it's a stand-alone sequel. Kind of like how Highlander III: The Final Dimension (aka Highlander III: The Sorcerer) was a stand-alone sequel to the first movie, but was never followed up with Endgame. One could view this movie as similarly such.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 01, 2015, 06:26:48 PMDebatable. It was a reboot in the sense that it ignored the AVP films (and Predator 2 to a lesser extent), similarly to how Godzilla 1985 and Halloween H20 ignored the previous movies which came before them and served as a direct sequel to the original.

Except nothing in Predators makes any of the events of those films in between impossible. A reboot is an active wiping clean of the slate, which Predators did not do. It simply didn't refer to the events of the second/AVP movies.

Yes I would like to go by the director himself Nimrod Antal and studio Fox on Predators being the 3rd film in the timeline. I know what RR said as we'll but if Nimrod and the studio mark it as the 3rd film even though no references to P2 then it is. It's the same take Neil Blomkamp is doing with his Alien sequel.

 Predators is just something we all want to forget.

You guys take the opinions too far. Yes it's your opinion, yes I understand that completely. But you take it too far by trashing a movie so much it almost becomes something else. I see some users on here who do that all the time. This guy Rakai Thwei for instance trashes Predators so much and he has his right of opinion of course but it almost becomes laughable how much he does it on here and centers peoples comments of the film who do enjoy it and counter it with another negative comment of the film itself. He takes the opinion so far that he always rights Predators capitalized. Which is just plain dumb. The point here is too not be ungrateful. Be grateful to what films you have at your disposal to watch and enjoy. Yes your opinions are still on your right shoulder but don't take it too far like some people do on here. Predators was the 1st solo Predator film in 20 years. I'll say that again 20 years! After Predator 2 in 1990. Honestly.... Let Neil Blomkamp retconn A3 and AR I still love those films but do it just to show some of the people on here it could be worse. Besides a retconn doesn't mean ANYTHING to your on guys OPINION. Just make up your own timeline. That's a great and simple thing everyone can do.

Would'nt it be awesome if, after Predator 2, it was explained that predators in both movies were actually the same being from alternate realities who were all hunters and came together through some advanced tech? And the ships they use were drones that traveled to different planets and housed gateways for these extra dimensional beings to pass through?

Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Dec 01, 2015, 09:06:54 PM
Would'nt it be awesome if, after Predator 2, it was explained that predators in both movies were actually the same being from alternate realities who were all hunters and came together through some advanced tech? And the ships they use were drones that traveled to different planets and housed gateways for these extra dimensional beings to pass through?

As much as I am for a multiverse-- I really wouldn't want characters crossing over from one "universe" or to another.

Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Dec 01, 2015, 09:06:54 PM
Would'nt it be awesome if, after Predator 2, it was explained that predators in both movies were actually the same being from alternate realities who were all hunters and came together through some advanced tech? And the ships they use were drones that traveled to different planets and housed gateways for these extra dimensional beings to pass through?

No.

What overthere said.

No multiverse travel please.

It'd kill the grounded tone of the franchise.

Guess no one here is a fan of rick and morty lol Aside from the comics and novels we dont really get much info on predators from the movies. Except that their tech is so far out it could very well be magic. I'm all for yautja and their hunters way of life especially with tim lebbons book Incursion expanding on their culture. I for one collect only comics and novels i think could be canon to the Alien/Predator movies. Neca also expands on the yautja every now and then and some stuff is actually good. I dont count the Avp movies as canon but the idea of the predalien as a young queen or praetorian could fit. The predators could have still visited us in our past and taught us how to build with engineers having still created us. Its a big universe. Predators was ok but could have been better/worse. Would have been awesome if the new preds were bigger and the cast was better. Sam worthington would have been a great royce imo. He was an up and coming actor like arnie or michael beihn.

We need a strong predator trilogy,say like BTTF , with 3 masterpieces and so far we have 2 masterpieces and 1 abomination.And a couple of ridiculous spin offs.In my humble personal opinon. ;)

Since Rodriguez stated he ignored P2 and his flick is a direct sequel to the original, so the next movie should be considered to be the third, since it's not a reboot nor a prequel and it doesn't ignore P2.
P2 was a real sequel to the original, story wise.

Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Dec 02, 2015, 09:16:40 AMit doesn't ignore P2.

We have no idea yet if it's going to acknowledge Predator 2.

Predators is nowhere near the "homage fest" people like to slag it off for being. Sure, it's set in the jungle but I seem to recall lots of people begging for that return. But it's a completely different jungle on an alien planet. Aside from that I counted 4 pieces of reused dialogue (my biggest hate when it comes to sequels), the minigun, the waterfall and Hanzo's last stand.

People are just too bitter about Classic (understandably) loosing in the fight to the Berserker and too hung up on the concept of Super Predators that did not make it into the film. And it also doesn't erase Predator 2 from existence. It's as much a standalone sequel as Predator 2 was in that it hangs on one piece from Predator. Predators is Predator 3.

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Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Dec 01, 2015, 10:27:48 PM
What overthere said.

No multiverse travel please.

It'd kill the grounded tone of the franchise.

^^ This. This isn't Marvel.

Exactly, Corporal Hicks.

Predators had tons of its own ideas and things that it added to the franchise. I noticed a few homages here and there, while I did enjoy them at first, I would've liked something a bit more original.

However, I'm glad that with Hanzo's last stand, we at least saw the fight unlike with Billy where we heard the scream. It was a sort of homage that added some action.

Predators was in my opinion quite a good film. I loved all of the films.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 02, 2015, 10:23:22 AMPeople are just too bitter about Classic (understandably) loosing in the fight to the Berserker and too hung up on the concept of Super Predators that did not make it into the film.

As I just said in another thread, I've never got all that screams of hate crime over that scene.

The classic had been tied up for who knows how long. It's not exactly an earth-shattering shock that it might possibly fall to a Predator that hasn't been crucified for the last two weeks.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 02, 2015, 10:23:22 AM
Predators is nowhere near the "homage fest" people like to slag it off for being. Sure, it's set in the jungle but I seem to recall lots of people begging for that return. But it's a completely different jungle on an alien planet. Aside from that I counted 4 pieces of reused dialogue (my biggest hate when it comes to sequels), the minigun, the waterfall and Hanzo's last stand.

I disagree there I'm afraid. I'm in the camp that thought Predators was simply 'okay.' It was far from a disaster for sure and leagues ahead of any of the AVP movies, but it was the homages that spoiled it for me. It's not so much the jungle setting for the preserve planet twist was a good one but just the constant reused dialogue, the similar characters, long tall sally etc. It was just all a bit unnecessary. I don't like giving credit to Paul Anderson but at least his alien homages in AVP were on the whole nice and subtle, but the ones in Predators were just too frequent and too in your face.

I hope Predator 4 is something completely different and I do believe we'll be seeing Alien worlds and other alien species. This film will be make or break for the franchise and it all depends if the fans accept the radical new direction it is going to take.

Quote from: TheBATMAN on Dec 02, 2015, 02:16:28 PM
It's not so much the jungle setting for the preserve planet twist was a good one but just the constant reused dialogue, the similar characters, long tall sally etc.

I loathe reused dialogue. It is my biggest hate when it comes to sequels. And a few years back when everyone was complaining about the homages I counted them out. Unless I missed some or I've forgotten some (feel free to correct me), it wasn't constant. I counted 4 pieces.

"Over Here...Turn Around"
"What The f**k Are You?"
"You Are One Ugly..." - and this one is said in Russian and it doesn't translate directly to it. It says: "what an ugly face you face/you have a really ugly face"
"Come-on! Do It Now! Kill Me!"

Long Tall Sally was during the credits and had no bearing on the film.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 02, 2015, 02:23:20 PM"You Are One Ugly..."

This was the only one I really liked. Having it in Russian gave it the neat twist recycled dialogue needs to have. Like when Arnie says all of Michael Biehn's lines in T2.

All the others just felt kinda cringey.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 02, 2015, 02:29:31 PM
All the others just felt kinda cringey.

No arguing there. I just hate people throwing it at Predators as if every piece of dialogue in the film was taken from the other 2.

Yeah, that's fair comment. The reused stuff was, by and large, done way too overtly, but there was some pretty decent original dialogue in there in places. The whole "we're the game" bit was cool. In fact most of Royce's lines were pretty good.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 02, 2015, 02:40:23 PM
Yeah, that's fair comment. The reused stuff was, by and large, done way too overtly, but there was some pretty decent original dialogue in there in places. The whole "we're the game" bit was cool. In fact most of Royce's lines were pretty good.

Royce's lines sucked, especially with that Batman-Bale voice.Couldn't stop laughing and face palming.

Given that Brody was so obviously mis-cast, I thought he actually did really well with the role.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 02, 2015, 02:49:57 PM
Given that Brody was so obviously mis-cast, I thought he actually did really well with the role.

And in the script Royce had a cool intro, he was hunting some bum using thermal vision googles and ultimately set the guy on fire, just after that he is abducted by the Ipod super ultra black predators.And they didn't filmed it  :laugh:

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 02, 2015, 02:23:20 PM

Long Tall Sally was during the credits and had no bearing on the film.

Exactly. Hence why it wasn't needed and was just another pointless homage.

In terms of the dialogue I'm sure there are more nods and references then that although my memory is hazy. But overall it was just too similar. Royce covering himself in mud, Hanzo's last stand, the mini-gun, etc etc. It was all a bit too much and it spoiled it in my opinion. Subtle homages are fine, but this film felt like it was ramming them down our throats every few minutes.

Clearly the film is at is strongest when focusing on the original stuff. The opening sequence of Royce falling is superbly original and probably the best opening in the franchise. The twist with the game preserve planet is excellent and the exploration of the Alien drill was interesting. The River Ghost was also cool and whether or not the Predator attack dogs worked, it was still a new, interesting concept.

But all that was overshadowed because the film tried too hard to be like the first one, as if using it as a kind of safety net.

I know the mini gun was same as the first movie but I actually thought it was really cool because you have the ultimate badass weapon at your disposal and the odds of that thing helping you to survive is not even 50/50 on this horrifiying home world filled with creatures and Predators. The mini gun scene against the hounds alone was nothing. Nickolai was shooting like 50 rounds on one of the hounds and it was still standing. Then after one caster shot by The Berserker Predator destroyed the gun completely. It had no chance but does make you feel protected for alil while. That's how cool I thought it was to have that weapon in the film. It's just so scarey to know that the most ultimate hand held weapon by a man will be useless on this planet but it does make you feel very protected. Nolands gun was probably on par with the mini gun in a way. It was one shot kill for the River ghost. And most likey he killed 3 Preds with that as we'll.

I don't get why people wanted to see Billy fight the pred in predator. They tried in predators and look how cheesy it was. The guy in the suit was slow as hell and the fight was no where near as fast paced as the end fight in Predator 2. Plus if preds were upping the anty after every hunt then why didn't they equip themselves with sharper blades to break through japanese steel as they obviously fought human sword wielders in the past?? Billy was bad ass man, i mean big! But preds are bigger and by the time it was billys turn to die i knew, as well as he, that there was simply no competition. The hanzo fight should have been the same. It's like lamberts death in alien. You don't see it on screen but you have a picture in your mind. And that can be terrifying depending on your imagination or in predators case something more awesome then what we got from nimrod. Besides, i'm sure the pred just plasma casted billy or knocked him off that log. If you think about it, it takes no time at all for the pred to catch up with arnie and the gang after hearing billy scream. That boy had to be runnin fast to cover that gap. Also, not referring to something that came before doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Theres no law in movies stating if anything thats come before isn't mentioned in the future, then it simply doesn't exist? No. completely ignorant and wrong. That being said, if there was a reference to predator 2, nimrod should have given us an insane harrigan instead of noland. That would have been awesome!

I've always wanted to see a Predator wielding some type of ornamental sword. I know the elder has one in P2 but something we actually get to see in combat.

For me I'd like to see a Predator film in a WW1 setting in the trenches then we flash forward some 100 years later to a future setting where that same Predator returns with trophies from that original hunt and is tracking down descendants of that original battle.

Quote from: TheBATMAN on Dec 02, 2015, 04:41:07 PMFor me I'd like to see a Predator film in a WW1 setting in the trenches then we flash forward some 100 years later to a future setting where that same Predator returns with trophies from that original hunt and is tracking down descendants of that original battle.

I did really enjoy how Concrete Jungle kept switching between 1930s gangsters and 2030s future.

Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Dec 02, 2015, 04:29:34 PM
I don't get why people wanted to see Billy fight the pred in predator. They tried in predators and look how cheesy it was. The guy in the suit was slow as hell and the fight was no where near as fast paced as the end fight in Predator 2. Plus if preds were upping the anty after every hunt then why didn't they equip themselves with sharper blades to break through japanese steel as they obviously fought human sword wielders in the past?? Billy was bad ass man, i mean big! But preds are bigger and by the time it was billys turn to die i knew, as well as he, that there was simply no competition. The hanzo fight should have been the same. It's like lamberts death in alien. You don't see it on screen but you have a picture in your mind. And that can be terrifying depending on your imagination or in predators case something more awesome then what we got from nimrod. Besides, i'm sure the pred just plasma casted billy or knocked him off that log. If you think about it, it takes no time at all for the pred to catch up with arnie and the gang after hearing billy scream. That boy had to be runnin fast to cover that gap. Also, not referring to something that came before doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Theres no law in movies stating if anything thats come before isn't mentioned in the future, then it simply doesn't exist? No. completely ignorant and wrong. That being said, if there was a reference to predator 2, nimrod should have given us an insane harrigan instead of noland. That would have been awesome!

Imagine if billy was alive like he had a fight with the predator and it knocked billy of the bridge and billy screamed while falling down(maybe as a DLC in a Predator isolation game (just like Alien isolation DLC had you play as a Ripley)

Quick question, which of the 2 approaches of this Predator film are you more interested in. A continuation that involves Arnold's character Dutch Schaffer returning and further devolving him, a concept that feels like a continuation of the first film, regardless whether it takes the other sequels into a account it strongly ties to the original film.

Or the other approach which is what has happened before with the other Predator sequels which have an episodic quality, isolated incidences involving a Predator hunt, continuity isn't too important, its simply a new film featuring the Predator, with no returning characters or continuing narrative arc. Just a new story feature the Predator we all know and love.
The Return of Arnold would be a warm welcome, though at his age may put that in doubt and come across as forced, still getting over how cool he was in Terminator Genisys though the movie didn't hold up that great.

The other possibilities are seeing a Predator movie in different time periods, while I'm not too crazy about the whole prequel angle because, it could be an interesting approach.

Which is more inciting? Straight up tie in to events sequel or stand alone movie.

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Another question, a percent of Aliens fans are divided over the approach Blomkamp wanted to take with his Alien movie heavily suggesting he wanted to make a movie following Alien and Aliens "Lets Not get into the whole, I won't believe anything about retconing until they officially announce it".

Whereas Predators continuity doesn't tie directly as progressive story line like Alien, Predator film involve isolated incidence where a Predator shows up to hunt.The Predator sequel have a brief mention of the original films events and expand the mythology it their own way.

Which are you more interested in? Shane's Predator or Neill's Alien "Assuming Fox's delaying of the film hasn't canned it entirely"

Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Dec 02, 2015, 05:09:06 PM
Quick question, which of the 2 approaches of this Predator film are you more interested in. A continuation that involves Arnold's character Dutch Schaffer returning and further devolving him, a concept that feels like a continuation of the first film, regardless whether it takes the other sequels into a account it strongly ties to the original film.

Or the other approach which is what has happened before with the other Predator sequels which have an episodic quality, isolated incidences involving a Predator hunt, continuity isn't too important, its simply a new film featuring the Predator, with no returning characters or continuing narrative arc. Just a new story feature the Predator we all know and love.
The Return of Arnold would be a warm welcome, though at his age may put that in doubt and come across as forced, still getting over how cool he was in Terminator Genisys though the movie didn't hold up that great.

The other possibilities are seeing a Predator movie in different time periods, while I'm not too crazy about the whole prequel angle because, it could be an interesting approach.

Which is more inciting? Straight up tie in to events sequel or stand alone movie.

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Another question, a percent of Aliens fans are divided over the approach Blomkamp wanted to take with his Alien movie heavily suggesting he wanted to make a movie following Alien and Aliens "Lets Not get into the whole, I won't believe anything about retconing until they officially announce it".

Whereas Predators continuity doesn't tie directly as progressive story line like Alien, Predator film involve isolated incidence where a Predator shows up to hunt.The Predator sequel have a brief mention of the original films events and expand the mythology it their own way.

Which are you more interested in? Shane's Predator or Neill's Alien "Assuming Fox's delaying of the film hasn't canned it entirely"

Shanes predator

Shanes Predator hands down. I mean i love the 4 Alien movies equally because each was so different. I knew terminator genisys was gonna be crap on account of it erases 1 and two. I still to this day demand to know why james cameron had such high praises about a movie that shits all over his. Alien 5 or 3.0 or whatever is gonna be crap because its a sequel to jims Aliens coming from an Alien/hicks fanboy and weve seen that so many times already. The last Aliens/hicks fanboys made colonial marines and look what happened there people. In my personal opinion, fox should just let the alien and predator movies be and give us better Avp movies and more engineers. If anything. Otherwise we should all protest by making our own fanboy movies about what WE think would have been better prequels or sequels and flood youtube with em.

I hope this really is a fresh take on predator and I don't mean a simple change in scenery like predator 2 did. We don't need another movie with a bunch of clueless humans running around going "What the hell was that thing?" "How do we kill it?" We need characters that actually know what they're getting themselves into for once. Which is why I'm disappointed that we aren't getting a sequel to Predators because I would have loved to have seen Royce and Isebelle take the fight to the predators.

Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Dec 02, 2015, 06:48:16 PM
I hope this really is a fresh take on predator and I don't mean a simple change in scenery like predator 2 did. We don't need another movie with a bunch of clueless humans running around going "What the hell was that thing?" "How do we kill it?" We need characters that actually know what they're getting themselves into for once. Which is why I'm disappointed that we aren't getting a sequel to Predators because I would have loved to have seen Royce and Isebelle take the fight to the predators.

I think you will love Predator: Incursion as it's set in a far future where Predators are public knowledge and are occasionally fought by Colonial Marines.

I'd love to see a Predator film set in the future.

Future? Maybe that's what Shane has in mind...

Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Dec 02, 2015, 07:43:31 PM
Future? Maybe that's what Shane has in mind...

I'm strongly getting that vibe especially when it is said that they will "reinvent" this franchise.

Hopefully it won't reference Weyland Corp or any Prometheus/Alien things.

And you know what? Already people are speculating we're getting an AVP reboot... Namely MoviePilot has speculated that recently. If they only knew that Ridley Scott might prevent that.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 02, 2015, 08:47:47 PM
Hopefully it won't reference Weyland Corp or any Prometheus/Alien things.

And you know what? Already people are speculating we're getting an AVP reboot... Namely MoviePilot has speculated that recently. If they only knew that Ridley Scott might prevent that.

I'm all for an AVP reboot if Predator 1 meets AlienS without eurotrash or pizzaboy cast...But Fox screwed everything since at least a decade.They can't do worse tho.
If Shane sets the story in the future i'm okay with that.

Not only Ps had reused dialogue but also many scenes like waterfall jump, Hanzo last stand,  booby trap activation and Royce covered in mud (especially the last one didn't make sanse given the context ). Predators is not bad film but it's medicore as hell and could have been so much more, by being its own movie insted Predator 2.0

My ideal continuation of franchise would aknowledge earlier films while taking it to completely different area (setting, characters and twist wise).

It's just great news that the script is finished BEFORE filming begins, the Hollywood process baffles me sometimes.
Other than that I'm just hoping for some original twist on the concept, don't want to see a Pred hunting some soldiers or mercs in a jungle!

Well i don't want to see a couple of lesbian predators either.

We need a good old hunter who actually hunts.

Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Dec 02, 2015, 10:56:55 PM
Well i don't want to see a couple of lesbian predators either.

We need a good old hunter who actually hunts.

Good point. No young bloods, no elites, no elders, none of this "you can tell how awesome I am by the amount of symbols etched into my mask." Bullshit. Predators are hunters not warriors, how did the image of the predator get so distorted? :-\

If AvP gets a reboot/rejig/re-whatever I'll be happy. As soon as it actually turns out good, mind you.

I think it'd be really nice for Predator 4 to change timeframe. I really want to see them play about it with more whether it's the future or the past.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 03, 2015, 08:26:13 AMI think it'd be really nice for Predator 4 to change timeframe.

This is probably the biggest untapped resource as far as the Predator film series goes. We know they've been coming here to hunt for centuries, and likely will for centuries more, so why not show us that? It would be a very simple way to show us something different.

I think it is safe to say that it's not going to be set in the past, they said it's an "inventive sequel" to the original, sequel means continuation. I would love a Predator movie set in the past, but i don't think it's is happening with this one.

If i had a choice, a Predator movie set during WW1 would be on top of my list, lots of interesing possibilities.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 03, 2015, 11:43:13 AM
I think it is safe to say that it's not going to be set in the past, they said it's an "inventive sequel" to the original, sequel means continuation. I would love a Predator movie set in the past, but i don't think it's is happening with this one.

If i had a choice, a Predator movie set during WW1 would be on top of my list, lots of interesing possibilities.

Agreed on both points. If they do mess with the timeline, it'll probably in the future, unless they use flashbacks to play in the past. I'm not sure either is likely though. But they really should try playing around with the time settings.

I'm desperate to see a film with the Predator in World War 1 or 2.

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=53638.msg2087342#new

Moved to Rec Area.

Future sounds great also make it into a different environment not jungle(And how did Ps get a higher rating then P2)

I think AvP should show us future of Predator while main instalments should be more or less grounded in our present times.

I guess Predator 4 will be out by 2018 at this rate. I would like to see it out by 2017, but Fox has Prometheus 2 out by October 2017. Summer is pretty pack right now unless they want to have it out by late summer. Late August is pretty dead since the major summer movies come out by the end of the July or early August.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 03, 2015, 08:26:13 AM
If AvP gets a reboot/rejig/re-whatever I'll be happy. As soon as it actually turns out good, mind you.

You and I have a different definition of what a reboot is. I'm still trying to figure out what you mean by your posts in the AVP reboot thread.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 03, 2015, 08:26:13 AM
I think it'd be really nice for Predator 4 to change timeframe. I really want to see them play about it with more whether it's the future or the past.

I have a feeling that it's going to be set in the future. But at the same time... I kind of want it to be it's own future, not so much the same future which Alien is set in. I mean given Ridley Scott and Neill Blomkamp's statements on the whole shared universe thing... Probably might be best to give the Predator series it's own future setting.

You know what would be awesome? A game like Evolve but instead of human hunters its predators!

This is so awesome!!!!! I wish they would get back Dutch, Lt Mike Harrigan, and Mercanary Royce all 3 badasses! captured and put on the Predator home world to survive! Without a doubt 3 of the most badass characters ever! I get the chills just thinking about these 3 in one Predator film together!!!!!!!!!

I hope Dutch makes a triumphant return, and helps defeat the predators once and for all.

The Predator series doesn't need Dutch.

Quote from: Liberator on Dec 04, 2015, 05:52:46 AM
I hope Dutch makes a triumphant return, and helps defeat the predators once and for all.

See, that's the approach that should be avoided in this franchise.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 04, 2015, 12:40:54 AM
You and I have a different definition of what a reboot is. I'm still trying to figure out what you mean by your posts in the AVP reboot thread.

I just mean a film that is independent of the first 2 without necessarily doing damage to their continuity and is intended to bring back interest to the concept.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 04, 2015, 08:49:49 AM

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 04, 2015, 12:40:54 AM
You and I have a different definition of what a reboot is. I'm still trying to figure out what you mean by your posts in the AVP reboot thread.

I just mean a film that is independent of the first 2 without necessarily doing damage to their continuity and is intended to bring back interest to the concept.

I agree with that and if there's a couple of tiny easter eggs for the first two then whatever. I always had an idea for a Predator film, that took place in a couple of different areas, like a Desert and then Japan

The only important link  is the predator, as long as they involve another old fashionned predator hunter , no janitor, no newbie, let's get back to the real roots of what made this franchise so good, Predator and Predator 2.

How about not going back to the roots? Baceuse you see there are many roots in the jungle and I just want to get out of the f**king jungle in next one.

Quote from: Master on Dec 04, 2015, 07:10:58 PM
How about not going back to the roots? Baceuse you see there are many roots in the jungle and I just want to get out of the f**king jungle in next one.

At least the first AVP pretty much tried that.. You can't blame it for trying.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 04, 2015, 08:49:49 AM
I just mean a film that is independent of the first 2 without necessarily doing damage to their continuity and is intended to bring back interest to the concept.

Still trying to figure out what you mean by that. As in still set in that universe but with minimal references to the previous movie like Jurassic World or... what?

Bovotoya is not my favorite place for Predator either but still better then another jungle.

Seriously Hollywood this days is either going back to the roots in established franchises or is reinventing them. Either clone of earlier movie or something so different that it bearly fits. No middle ground at all.

Quote from: Master on Dec 04, 2015, 08:00:29 PM
Seriously Hollywood this days is either going back to the roots in established franchises or is reinventing them. Either clone of earlier movie or something so different that it bearly fits. No middle ground at all.

I'll admit to something very sad... I'm ready to give up on this franchise. I'm just not happy with it as I used to be years ago with the more recent releases and the newer ones coming out, excluding Shane's movie of course because we don't know anything about it. I just want something that I can be happy with that doesn't betray how I view the Predators, the things that as a fan I have been told about these creatures through the official media-- films, comics, novels, games.. the media as a whole.

I just want things that I feel fit the Predator character, things that I feel add to it without feeling like.. it's there for the rule of cool, and respects what came before it. And I felt that PREDATORS really didn't do that, with the whole Preserve Planet cheapening the concept of the Hunt, the Super Predators obviously being created and added because someone thought that the original iconic creature was obsolete and played out, etc, etc..

As a fan.. I just want to be happy, and have more years enjoying this franchise instead of feeling like I have to jump ship.

I really hope Shane can deliver that for me as a fan.

Have a break mate. Just as I did. Wait for something worth being fan of, like this new film. Waitng all this years without any new material is exhausting.

Quote from: Master on Dec 04, 2015, 08:18:51 PM
Have a break mate. Just as I did. Wait for something worth being fan of, like this new film. Waitng all this years without any new material is exhausting.

Honestly? I can do without a new movie. I mean getting a new movie is nice but.. when is enough, well, enough? I have a saying, and you might not agree with me but it goes like this:

"A good story knows when to end."

But I want Shane's movie to be something I can add to my collection, something that I can show friends and family.. and still be invested in the franchise for. I still want to be a fan, and I will always love the Predator but... after Robert's movie? Eeeeeh.. I just hope Shane can make things right again. I really do because.. I am quite passionate about the franchise and the lore.

    I guess you`ll agree with me that worst of all was AvP-R. I don`t mean to insult or kick it, just stating the obvious. Thing that was the worst about AvP-R was Predalien. My beloved concept. You may not know this but it was the thing that I loved most in whole AvP idea. At first I was mad at AvP because it only teased us with Predalien. After AvP-R i`m greatfull cause Predburster in AvP was beautifull. I know I won`t see Predalien on big screen ever again. It will never be done right.
    My point is that You probably will see Predator in it`s full glory in next film and you`ll have something to enrich franchise and be a subject for many more passionate debates so don`t give up mate.

Quote from: Master on Dec 04, 2015, 08:42:55 PM
I guess you`ll agree with me that worst of all was AvP-R.

I would have to disagree with that. For me worst of all was PREDATORS. For me the worst thing about PREDATORS was the idea of the whole Perserve Planet which I felt cheapened the concept of what the Hunt was all about. Also the idea of the Super Predators, I'm in the camp that I felt as if they weren't really needed and were added for the rule of cool because someone felt as if the original was played out. That's the abbreviated version.

Quote from: Master on Dec 04, 2015, 08:42:55 PM
Thing that was the worst about AvP-R was Predalien. My beloved concept. You may not know this but it was the thing that I loved most in whole AvP idea. At first I was mad at AvP because it only teased us with Predalien. After AvP-R i`m greatfull cause Predburster in AvP was beautifull. I know I won`t see Predalien on big screen ever again. It will never be done right.

Well in regards to the PredAlien, you can blame the executives who had gotten nervous from the words of a teenage kid when he said "Cool Alien!". You might want to blame the kid too, for making the executives feel this way. I'm just wondering what concept art they showed the kid, I've heard various things about this story but most of them say that the concept art was something that could've been really cool on screen.

Quote from: Master on Dec 04, 2015, 08:42:55 PM
My point is that You probably will see Predator in it`s full glory in next film and you`ll have something to enrich franchise and be a subject for many more passionate debates so don`t give up mate.

There is a lot of frustrations that I have with how Fox is handling the franchises now. Simply put.. I'm gonna say this in the easiest way I can but I feel as if the AVP that I know, the stuff that came out from 1989 to 2010, is officially dead. The original comic, the characters, the Predator culture from the EU, the AVP movies, the games... I just feel like all of that was pretty much killed by PREDATORS and Prometheus. And this new AVP stuff we're getting? I don't see that as the real AVP, it's just Prometheus slapped with the AVP label on it with Predators in it.

I'm just hoping that Shane.. distances this movie from PREDATORS and that Prometheus crap that's being handed out now. But at the same time I want him to respect the first two movies. I know he considers the first in high regard but I am not so sure about the second movie. As long as he keeps the first two in mind, and if he wants to discard everything else.. fine by me.

Rakai, you need to chill mate.

You may not like Predators or Prometheus, but that doesn't make them crap. I highly doubt Shane Black is gonna put Prometheus stuff in his movie, heck, even Predators stuff.

You are honestly treating it like some phobia. Almost every other post of yours regarding future media is "I hope it doesn't have Prometheus/Predators stuff", dude CHILL, it's not as bad as you make it out to be. No offence pal.

I think Master has a good point, you should take a break. I think you are taking this way too seriously. Of course there's things we all don't like and that's fine, but calm down man. It's just a movie. It's like people who still hate on the 1998 Godzilla to this day, it's just a film man.

You know I like Prometheus and Predators, so I won't be bothered if elements of them are featured. But I honestly highly doubt they will be, it's a very low chance mate so you may be worrying over nothing. Wait for Shane Black to first begin releasing some details man.

You know what? I'll put your mind at ease here. Predator: Incursion had no Prometheus or Predators stuff in it. In fact, the previous Alien trilogy didn't have much either except for Out of the Shadows having a medpod and River of Pain exploring the derelict a little bit and vaguely describing a fight between the Engineers and Aliens in it and that's it. None of the elements got in the way of the story whatsoever. River of Pain was still your good ol' Colonial Marines vs Aliens, it was expanding on the lore and showing human colonists struggling in the frontier, no gooey stuff to worry about.

The only one featuring a butt load of Prometheus themes was basically Fire and Stone...

Aliens Defiance looks like it won't be featuring Prometheus things in it.

If all of this is troubling you so much, then you should do as Master suggested and take a break. Enjoy the other franchises like I do sometimes, I go to Godzilla, Assassin's Creed and so on. Hell, I took one LONG break from Assassin's Creed after getting somewhat bored with it after Revelations, and then AC 4 Black Flag came out and I came back with a fiery crash as my interest got reignited. Maybe somewhere down the line, a new AvP media may come out and you will be pulled back from this jaded viewpoint and be interested once more.

Don't get me wrong, I know what it's like to disagree with where your favourite franchise is heading. I hated the idea of Mothra and King Ghidorah in the next Godzilla film, but hey, beggars cannot be choosers... I don't own the Godzilla franchise so I thought "screw it, who cares if Mothra and Ghidorah are in it?" It ain't gonna stop me from enjoying the next Godzilla film and over time, this grew on me and I accepted it now, heck, at first I was wary of the Kong crossover until I accepted it once it was confirmed.

And I had this really trivial pet peeve about the upcoming Toho film making its Godzilla bigger than the Legendary one. But I got over it once I re-evaluated my opinions a bit.

One day, you might like Predators and Prometheus, you never know lol, things tend to grow on people.

Preserve planet is associated with Super Predators. It doesn't really cheapens the concept cause it is not related to normal preds. As long as it stays that way fine by me. I think you won't see SPs again either.

I feel that we might get another thing to agree on Rakai. AvP-R, Predators  and Prometheus are all weakest instalments in their respective franchises. Let's hope future is kind for our tastes.

I do not want to see any of the characters from the other movies. There is not a set story line you could basically tell any story you wanted. It would be cool if the Predator Universe and Aliens/Prometheus Universe were the same? Maybe a Predator movie that did not feature any human characters taking lace in a different quadrant of space?

Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Dec 04, 2015, 09:45:23 PM
Rakai, you need to chill mate.

I am chill. I'm just expressing things I don't want to see. No wrong in that.

Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Dec 04, 2015, 09:45:23 PM
You may not like Predators or Prometheus, but that doesn't make them crap.

That's subjective and a matter of opinion. Shit, the same thing could be said about EVERY movie that's out there.

Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Dec 04, 2015, 09:45:23 PM
I think Master has a good point, you should take a break. I think you are taking this way too seriously. Of course there's things we all don't like and that's fine, but calm down man. It's just a movie. It's like people who still hate on the 1998 Godzilla to this day, it's just a film man.

I don't see any wrong in expressing one's frustrations. We are all passionate about something. I know folks who are still fuming about Joe Quesada pretty much erasing Spider-Man's marriage, and that's just a comic book. Shit, one of them is Linkara aka Lewis Lovhaug. And then there are people who are still mad about the Star Wars prequels (last I checked.. their ranting is.. generally accepted as the norm).

Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Dec 04, 2015, 09:45:23 PM
You know I like Prometheus and Predators, so I won't be bothered if elements of them are featured. But I honestly highly doubt they will be, it's a very low chance mate so you may be worrying over nothing. Wait for Shane Black to first begin releasing some details man.

I have a feeling it's a very low chance, but still... We don't know anything. Keep in mind I am not saying anything bad about a movie we know nothing about but after the disappointment of the last two recent movies, can you honestly blame a guy? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. But do know I have not said anything negative about this upcoming film.... Yet.

Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Dec 04, 2015, 09:45:23 PM
You know what? I'll put your mind at ease here. Predator: Incursion had no Prometheus or Predators stuff in it. In fact, the previous Alien trilogy didn't have much either except for Out of the Shadows having a medpod and River of Pain exploring the derelict a little bit and vaguely describing a fight between the Engineers and Aliens in it and that's it. None of the elements got in the way of the story whatsoever. River of Pain was still your good ol' Colonial Marines vs Aliens, it was expanding on the lore and showing human colonists struggling in the frontier, no gooey stuff to worry about.

What I am saying is they added things which I felt weren't necessary, and changed/retcon things which I thought really didn't need to be retconned whatsoever. Now you may see everything as fitting together, but I don't and my view is very black and white. Remember how I said that I felt that the old AVP universe/concepts/characters from 1989 - 2010 and how I see them as either dead or in limbo? That's what I'm trying to say what I am frustrated at. It's not so much that Incursion didn't have references to Prometheus or PREDATORS in it, it's more so that it's set in this rebooted/retconned universe. You can have lack of references but this new material is set in that rebooted world. The old one might be dead. That's what I'm saying.

Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Dec 04, 2015, 09:45:23 PM
If all of this is troubling you so much, then you should do as Master suggested and take a break. Enjoy the other franchises like I do sometimes, I go to Godzilla, Assassin's Creed and so on. Hell, I took one LONG break from Assassin's Creed after getting somewhat bored with it after Revelations, and then AC 4 Black Flag came out and I came back with a fiery crash as my interest got reignited. Maybe somewhere down the line, a new AvP media may come out and you will be pulled back from this jaded viewpoint and be interested once more.

I've already shifted my focus from Alien-Predator to other things like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Street Fighter. Yes, TMNT is my second love after Alien-Predator and well... I'll say this, and a lot of people are probably going to hate me for but right now, I'm seeing the treatment of TMNT as something more favorable. At least every incarnation and iteration is still very much alive (even what was assumed to be retconned universe-- surprisingly, Image's TMNT universe.. IS STILL active despite Peter Laird rendering it non-canon to the Mirage comics). The only TMNT movie I generally dislike happens to be TMNT 2007... which was considered the fourth movie.. until Turtles Forever thankfully retconned it as it's own separate universe.

As for Street Fighter? Very little changes about Street Fighter and it's still a popular franchise for it's fans.

If a new AVP does come out, I hope it's either set in the same universe as the previous AVP movies and old EU or the franchises get somewhere along the line.. well... you'd kill me if I say. I know everyone would.

Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Dec 04, 2015, 09:45:23 PM
Don't get me wrong, I know what it's like to disagree with where your favourite franchise is heading. I hated the idea of Mothra and King Ghidorah in the next Godzilla film, but hey, beggars cannot be choosers... I don't own the Godzilla franchise so I thought "screw it, who cares if Mothra and Ghidorah are in it?" It ain't gonna stop me from enjoying the next Godzilla film and over time, this grew on me and I accepted it now, heck, at first I was wary of the Kong crossover until I accepted it once it was confirmed.

I've never had a problem with Mothra, Ghidorah and Rodan appearing in the next movie. I grew up watching the Showa and Heisei era films. For me they have always been there since the beginning. So I don't see an issue with that. Same with King Kong. Is Godzilla your favorite franchise?

Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Dec 04, 2015, 09:45:23 PM
One day, you might like Predators and Prometheus, you never know lol, things tend to grow on people.

It's been five years since PREDATORS release, and I've given it five viewings. It hasn't grown on me. As for Prometheus... I actually liked it at first. I even gave it a glowing review when I first saw it. If I can find the link to said review on this forum... I'd be more than happy to show you that I actually liked it at first, but my opinion about it changed and I don't think it's going to be growing on me.

Quote from: Master on Dec 04, 2015, 10:10:44 PM
Preserve planet is associated with Super Predators. It doesn't really cheapens the concept cause it is not related to normal preds. As long as it stays that way fine by me. I think you won't see SPs again either.

Well we don't know entirely if the Perserve Planet is associated with just the Super Predators. It depends on your source of information. If you follow the Prequel comics, then it's revealed that both species use the planet to hunt on. If you follow the motion comic on the DVD and Blu-ray-- then it suggests that the Super Predators hunt the normal Predators on the Preserve Planet through actions. But... if you look to the Hungarian magazine interviews and read statements from Rodriguez, he did state that the normal Predators dump their outcast on the planet.. which sort of muddy things. So it's either a prison planet which was turned into a preserve planet by a rogue clan or something else.

Quote from: Master on Dec 04, 2015, 10:10:44 PM
I feel that we might get another thing to agree on Rakai. AvP-R, Predators  and Prometheus are all weakest instalments in their respective franchises. Let's hope future is kind for our tastes.

I can... somewhat agree to that. While I do like AVP-R, I do acknowledge that... it does have a lot of problems which could've been vastly improved upon and we probably would've, could've, should've gotten something much more. The Alien designs were awkward, the PredAlien design was a hastly and wrong decision made by the suits to change what perhaps could've been seen.

I generally tend to refere to the movies because not all of us read some obscure comics (I have but the point still is), so by the film only it is heavily implied thats SPs turf.

Quote from: Master on Dec 04, 2015, 10:39:58 PM
I generally tend to refere to the movies because not all of us read some obscure comics (I have but the point still is), so by the film only it is heavily implied thats SPs turf.

Movies come first! That's definitely a given of course, the EU (for almost every franchise) is generally just glorified filler material.

Yeah Rakai, Godzilla is another franchise I like alongside Assassin's Creed. I also liked the 2003 TMNT cartoon series.

As for the rest of what you've said, it's fine that you don't like it. I just shared my two cents. I remember saying it before, with this franchise you do happen to be hard to please. I don't get why the Super Predators ruins it for you, I mean, Yautja don't use preserve planets, it's the rogue clan that does. And seeing as how they aren't so liked, I doubt we'd be seeing the Super Preds for a looong time if not ever.

What did you think of the Killer Clan? They pretty much behave the same way, killing things for fun, using attack dogs (trained Aliens, the BSPs did this in AvP Evolution as well). BSPs are pretty much the film's Killer Clan. Both have radically different customs and they have clashed with the more traditional Predators.

As for Prometheus, I honestly don't get why it bastardized the franchise for you... especially seeing as you liked it at first? Sure it's not a movie masterpiece but it has opened so many new doors for this series.

So does anyone know anything about this movie or what?

It is being made. It's directed by Shane 'Hawkins' Black and scripted by Fred 'Monster Squad/Robocop3' Dekker. Script is finished and in next few years we will have brand new film. Happens is up on us soon!

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 04, 2015, 07:32:42 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 04, 2015, 08:49:49 AM
I just mean a film that is independent of the first 2 without necessarily doing damage to their continuity and is intended to bring back interest to the concept.

Still trying to figure out what you mean by that. As in still set in that universe but with minimal references to the previous movie like Jurassic World or... what?

As in do what most of us actually want, go to the future and tell a proper Alien vs. Predator story that doesn't have any direct links (other than the very core concept) to the 2 previous ones so that it can be watched and more importantly, enjoyed, without requiring anyone to have seen the first 2.  It can be quite easily done where it doesn't have to ruin anything from the first 2 so people such as yourself aren't upset.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 05, 2015, 07:29:30 AM
So does anyone know anything about this movie or what?

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/category/predator-4/

This is everything so far.

Hicks is correct, because when you think about it, the two AvPs have pretty much told their story. They were self contained.

The first one ended in a semi cliffhanger, but even then, it left you wondering "what will happen with the chestburster?" For all we knew, it could've been found and killed, or it may have overran the ship Alien style.

Then the sequel comes, and it tells the story of what happens after. And it's also a self contained one, towards the end, humanity clears up the mess with a nuke and a corporation gains a plasma caster. What's there to really continue?

Set it in the future, you can easily explain the high tech of humanity as progress through time, and if you've seen AvP-r, you'd be able to guess the plasma caster helped. But it ain't that essential to the story.

What's essential is that it's in the future and is a good story. If AvP 3 comes out, I think it's the final chance to fix this crossover. I liked the first two, but they were so universally hated, so the third if it comes out would be the make or break for the crossover as far as films are concerned. That's how I feel about it.

Saw the trailer for Nice Guys during Krampus. The only thing I thought of was "ok Predator next, right?". :laugh:

Remember how I said there was a video where Shane mentioned the possibility of a female Predator? Here it is.. It's an oldie but it's something I felt which needs to be shared. Interestingly enough, Shane's views on the previous sequels seems to be "Meh."

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 07, 2015, 11:13:34 PM
Remember how I said there was a video where Shane mentioned the possibility of a female Predator? Here it is.. It's an oldie but it's something I felt which needs to be shared. Interestingly enough, Shane's views on the previous sequels seems to be "Meh."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyFrcrfq9lM

This is great. Sounds really promising. It appears this movie will be a direct sequel to the original movie, probably not going to include the others. Great to hear him talk about the movie.

It's funny how every single Predator movie is a sequel to the origional lol including the new one. I think it's cool and funny. If there was a Predator 3 after Predator 2 in 1990 it would of been in the 1700's near the Bermuda Triangle I believe. Captain Rapheal Adolini disappeared along with his crew near the Burmuda Triangle. I read that Dark Horse Comic story it would of been such an amazing film. I guess that is we're the Thomas Brothers wanted to take the story next. The trilogy would of been a Experienced Predator in Central America 1987, the sequel in Los Angles 1997 partially in the future with a less experienced but more ruthless predator exactly like Scarface in Concrete Jungle, and the 3rd one in the 1700's encountering a band of pirates on board a ship in Africa with The well experienced Elder Predator at the end of the film. That would of been the trilogy had they made after P2. It's funny how Robert Rodriguez wrote a script set in this exact time period. Also at the end of Predator 2 Harrigan said don't worry asshole you will get another chance to Garber, Keys right hand men always at the scene. They left it open 2 ways. But for sure the 1700's would of been the next one I think.

in the 4th picture, we should the technology that we have gathered from the other three, and fine a way to defeat these monsters.

Quote from: Mike on Dec 08, 2015, 04:06:14 PM
That would of been the trilogy had they made after P2. It's funny how Robert Rodriguez wrote a script set in this exact time period.

The script actually opens on a Spanish Galleon but it turns out it was actually in the future all along. It's a rubbish script though. You can read it here: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/scripts/script-predators-rodriguez.pdf

I was thinking yesterday it might be interesting to introduce a new race of aliens. I was thinking how the formula for Predator 1 and 2 is that the human protagonists are fighting against human enemies first and then the Predator interjects. What if the 4th film takes place in the future and the human characters are actually fighting against another alien species.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2015, 08:25:28 AM

Quote from: Mike on Dec 08, 2015, 04:06:14 PM
That would of been the trilogy had they made after P2. It's funny how Robert Rodriguez wrote a script set in this exact time period.

The script actually opens on a Spanish Galleon but it turns out it was actually in the future all along. It's a rubbish script though. You can read it here: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/scripts/script-predators-rodriguez.pdf

I was thinking yesterday it might be interesting to introduce a new race of aliens. I was thinking how the formula for Predator 1 and 2 is that the human protagonists are fighting against human enemies first and then the Predator interjects. What if the 4th film takes place in the future and the human characters are actually fighting against another alien species.

I would really love that! Humans fighting another alien, and this can confuse our military commanders once news of an alien Predator begin arriving as this other race we're fighting may not be as well known. We might start thinking they got cloaking tech and are very brutal, until we start finding their bodies as well...

I was curious to know what the difference and how they are used between 1st draft scripts and final drafts. If the script is completed and sent into Fox already wouldn't that be the final script? Also if a script is 1st draft does that mean that there are changes to be made in the final draft? Like for instance is Shane and Fred working on the final draft now? I don't know how that works, you would think you wouldn't send a script in to a studio unless it's the final shooting script. Also does a 1st draft script delay the process of a movie going into production if it's not in the final stage. I never really understood this at all.

I am not being sexist but a female predator for me would not suit it.

I don't know what to think about a female Predator. If I were in charge I don't think I would put one in. It's something that wasn't explored in the 1st 2 movies and the 3 that came after. But I don't think they should go that route yet. Just keep it classic badass Predator and badass Soldiers. Just because it wasn't explored yet doesn't mean we have to. Yes it would be new, but when you do something like that the storyline can go somewhere else.

Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Dec 09, 2015, 04:54:56 PM
I am not being sexist but a female predator for me would not suit it.

Yeah I think majority if not everyone agrees

female predator = ball of confusion

It really wouldn't bother me as long as she doesn't have boobs. How do we know that the ones we've encountered so far aren't actually females?

Quote from: Mike on Dec 09, 2015, 04:48:05 PM
I was curious to know what the difference and how they are used between 1st draft scripts and final drafts. If the script is completed and sent into Fox already wouldn't that be the final script?

It's like with pretty much anything - You do it once, you hand it in for review. Then each subsequent round of review and revision is another draft. Films can go through countless drafts before folk are happy and ready for filming. That's not always the case and usually indicative of a troubled film though - Alien 3, for example.

I don't like when they dig into the predator species , keep it simple like in the original, and add just slightly more little things like in part 2.

The extended universe is made for money and also to feed the people who like to know more, want to know more.No problem but these things should remain in the EU not in the films.

I don't wanna see how a predator toilet rooms looks like you know or how the females if any, look like, bring back the old school hunter, removes all the wrongly designed weapons and equipment wich started to appear in AVP, go back to the roots Shane , to what made Predator so great and popular.

The violence, the pratical fx,the hunt and  the survival, keep it simple and efficient.

What would be really cool to see is one Predator control a ship like in Predator 1 but during a intense scene. That would be cool and new and also badass. During this he breaks the sound barrier going more than 750 mph. This can be happening during a marine invasion with F22's in the sky after Predator.

Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Dec 10, 2015, 09:39:27 AM
I don't like when they dig into the predator species , keep it simple like in the original, and add just slightly more little things like in part 2.

The extended universe is made for money and also to feed the people who like to know more, want to know more.No problem but these things should remain in the EU not in the films.

I don't wanna see how a predator toilet rooms looks like you know or how the females if any, look like, bring back the old school hunter, removes all the wrongly designed weapons and equipment wich started to appear in AVP, go back to the roots Shane , to what made Predator so great and popular.

The violence, the pratical fx,the hunt and  the survival, keep it simple and efficient.

Aww, but I wanna see what Predator toilet rooms look like.  :(


*Runs away violently*

I'm So Tired of this Feminist BS Agenda. No, We don't want to see a female Predator.

*It Didn't Work in Terminator 3 and it won't work in a Predator movie either.

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Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Dec 10, 2015, 09:39:27 AM
bring back the old school hunter,

  ^^^^^ This  ^^^^^^^


*No "Super" Predators.     *No "Female" Predators.



*All I want is just a Regular Bad Ass Predator. Is that Too Much to ask for ?

I don't want to see a female predator hunting ronda rousey either but we should assume that female predators
exist and why not have one hanging around, even if only in the back ground, just to have something new and different. I like that the predators looks vary from movie to movie, although not a fan of the super black preds,
and I would love to see females as well as other castes such as warriors and technicians on a ship or home
world setting. Not as a main plot but just as some flavoring. The one thing that I did like about the hunting reserve
planet that was strongly under used was more aliens to hunt even an outlaw yautja but mainly a T-Rex type of
creature for an opening sequence.

I really don't think the gender makes any difference. If it's some sort of integral story element then the gender doesn't really need to be mentioned. It's a none-issue. They've all looked different so far. If Black wants to be a female and wants to make it different design then I don't see the issue with it - as long as they don't give it a boobs.

It'd be funny if female Predators were a lot bigger and stronger than male ones, and the hunt itself is just to get a chance to mate with a female. Male Predators are subordinates and get their asses kicked if they don't perform well in a hunt. Dutch's team is dead because the Predator was trying to get laid back home.

Quote from: overthere on Dec 14, 2015, 02:18:12 PM
It'd be funny if female Predators were a lot bigger and stronger than male ones, and the hunt itself is just to get a chance to mate with a female. Male Predators are subordinates and get their asses kicked if they don't perform well in a hunt. Dutch's team is dead because the Predator was trying to get laid back home.

Lol oddly that would be quite something. The more trophies a hunter has the better the chance of getting the best female

Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Dec 14, 2015, 02:42:24 PM
Lol oddly that would be quite something. The more trophies a hunter has the better the chance of getting the best female

Females are so hard to please, males don't know what they want, so they just hunt a bunch of skulls from various creatures on various planets in hope to find something they'd like. That's why we see those necklaces and stuff made from skulls. Those are presents for the females.

I'm sure we can all relate and get a deeper understanding of the poor Predators. It's the same thing whole universe round

Quote from: overthere on Dec 14, 2015, 02:47:08 PM

Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Dec 14, 2015, 02:42:24 PM
Lol oddly that would be quite something. The more trophies a hunter has the better the chance of getting the best female

Females are so hard to please, males don't know what they want, so they just hunt a bunch of skulls from various creatures on various planets in hope to find something they'd like. That's why we see those necklaces and stuff made from skulls. Those are presents for the females.

I'm sure we can all relate and get a deeper understanding of the poor Predators. It's the same thing whole universe round

In the words of Limp Bizkit "I do it all for the Nookie"

After all, didn't Billy hint at a female Predator when he said "There's something out there waiting for us, and it ain't no man."

Lol thats one way to read it

That's the way I see it as well, overthere. Not just a status, but to impress females.

Also, another way of looking at why they hunt, it's to get away from the ladies back home.  ;D

"BROKEN-TUSK!!!!"

"Eeerrr, I got a hunting trip planned with my buddies, see ya in a year honey!  :-*" *slams ship door and flies into space hurriedly*

"Urh, I was only gonna ask you if you've seen my favourite pair of sandals lying around... typical males... always have a convenient hunting trip planned whenever they're actually needed!  >:("

If only they knew they could just stop by, have a beer with us, complain about the women, the universe would be a nicer place.

Quote from: overthere on Dec 14, 2015, 10:50:23 PM
If only they knew they could just stop by, have a beer with us, complain about the women, the universe would be a nicer place.

"Breaking news, aliens have made first contact with Earth! They are now complaining about their women to the UN."

Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Dec 14, 2015, 11:04:22 PM

Quote from: overthere on Dec 14, 2015, 10:50:23 PM
If only they knew they could just stop by, have a beer with us, complain about the women, the universe would be a nicer place.

"Breaking news, aliens have made first contact with Earth! They are now complaining about their women to the UN."

"Germaine Greer in Uproar"

What does Shane Black mean to the franchise? Can we assume it's in good hands because Shane has experience with Predator? I haven't seen it but I've heard negative things about Iron Man 3. Do we take that into account?

Quote from: overthere on Dec 18, 2015, 01:05:49 PMWhat does Shane Black mean to the franchise?

Shane Black is a master and every one of the films he has written or directed is just amazing.

OK, so in all seriousness  Last Action Hero was a bit of a mess, and Iron Man 3 (which I liked) was missing much of his usual magic because the PG-13 rating put a clamp on his usual golden expletive-filled dialogue, but all his other scripts have been shit-hot.

Didn't know he was one of the Last Action Hero writers. I like that movie.

He wrote the original script, but according to him it was changed drastically for the final film.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 18, 2015, 07:08:07 PM
He wrote the original script, but according to him it was changed drastically for the final film.

He didn't actually write the first script. He rewrote it , then it got changed a bit from what he wrote

Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Dec 18, 2015, 09:49:21 PMHe didn't actually write the first script. He rewrote it , then it got changed a bit from what he wrote

Oh, really? The way I always heard it, it was originally his, but he distances himself from the final film because it got changed so much.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 19, 2015, 09:54:27 AM

Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Dec 18, 2015, 09:49:21 PMHe didn't actually write the first script. He rewrote it , then it got changed a bit from what he wrote

Oh, really? The way I always heard it, it was originally his, but he distances himself from the final film because it got changed so much.

It was actually a Meta spoof on his type of scripts and films

I think he meant "not human"

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 19, 2015, 09:54:27 AM

Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Dec 18, 2015, 09:49:21 PMHe didn't actually write the first script. He rewrote it , then it got changed a bit from what he wrote

Oh, really? The way I always heard it, it was originally his, but he distances himself from the final film because it got changed so much.

The first draft is quite lame, the movie is extremely different.The only better thing was the R rating tone of the draft, Danny also saves the situation using a real gun.
In the last screenplay the scene with Danny explaining to Slater that his dad died from cancer was cut, and there is another one where a bunch of kids in Halloween costumes ask Slater for an autograph.
The scene with Danny trying to stop Death was more meaningful if they've kept the first deleted scene...

Dwayne "the Rock "Johnson,think would b a welcome change to c him in a real action sci-fi movie,it put arnie on the map andutciuld provide a pivot fught scene between the rock an the predator

So is there gonna be a movie 4 of predator???????

Quote from: Britney on Dec 27, 2015, 01:04:46 AM
So is there gonna be a movie 4 of predator???????

Yep.

Everything we know so far - http://www.avpgalaxy.net/predator-movies/predator-4/

Does anyone want a Direct Sequel to Predators? I  Re-watched it last nite and I still love a lot of what the movie showed. They have to resolve the story some how, Maybe in a comic or novel. I just need something to get the 'four armed predator' from the sequel comic out of my mouth...

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Quote from: 85 on Jan 08, 2016, 09:19:13 PM
Does anyone want a Direct Sequel to Predators? I  Re-watched it last nite and I still love a lot of what the movie showed. They have to resolve the story some how, Maybe in a comic or novel. I just need something to get the 'four armed predator' from the sequel comic out of my mouth...

Spoiler

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi49.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff291%2Fsabres21768%2Fother12%2Ffourarmedpredator.jpg&hash=75ee462895b1059aa6d02781df81382437ebe01c)

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lets just say that Predator was a bastardized Mutant/One -off and walk away from it lmao

I wouldn't mind seeing a sequel to Predators. I really liked the first. It'd be interesting to see more of and a better realized Predator vs Predator conflict.

What Hicks said.

Predators had it's fair share, in fact probably more than it's fair share of faults, and to be honest was never much above a pretty average movie, but it entertained me and had a few genuinely great elements. I liked Royce. I liked the idea of inter-Predator conflict, even if it wasn't realised well. Some of the dialogue that wasn't simply rehashed was pretty good, it had that oldschool feel that seems to be missing from action films these days. ("It's a game preserve... and we're the game.")

If nothing else, I'd like a sequel just to get more Royce.

Royce was great, best part of the movie IMO. Worst parts for me came down the predator FX and I thought Fishburn (who I usually like) was terrible.

I still like the Predator suits in this.

But Fishburne was a complete waste, yeah. I hated his character.

More than his character, it was a really phoned-in performance. I mean this guy played Morpheus, for God's sake, but in Predators it feels like he couldn't care less.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 09, 2016, 07:23:18 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing a sequel to Predators. I really liked the first. It'd be interesting to see more of and a better realized Predator vs Predator conflict.

I would like an AVP game or a Predator game and get a hint of what happened like maybe playing as a Predator and seeing the remains of Royce.But i would not like to see a sequel to predators,seeing the same scenery and all the tension is gone because of knowing the threat.

Quote from: overthere on Dec 18, 2015, 04:59:26 PM
Didn't know he was one of the Last Action Hero writers. I like that movie.

I did too. It came out during the wrong time and people didn't seem to get the idea behind the film itself. The movie was a satire of Arnold's action movies. If it had a better script then I think it would have been more liked.

The problem with Last Action Hero was that it was somehow much less than the sum of its parts. There are so many great scenes, characters and ideas in there, but added together they don't seem to make an especially satisfying movie.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 15, 2016, 09:07:53 AM
The problem with Last Action Hero was that it was somehow much less than the sum of its parts. There are so many great scenes, characters and ideas in there, but added together they don't seem to make an especially satisfying movie.

The problem with the movie is it doesn't know what it wants to be and what it's trying to show. For example, there's a scene when the kid is inside the movie and there's a poster of Stallone instead of Arnold in Terminator 2. But at the same time, the real T1000 is roaming around the police station. So inside the movie, there's Terminator 2 the movie and the real Terminator 2 going on. It makes no sense.

They ended up throwing too many references and easter eggs into it

Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Jan 16, 2016, 02:30:07 PM
They ended up throwing too many references and easter eggs into it

References of terminator? 

Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Jan 16, 2016, 05:42:17 PM

Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Jan 16, 2016, 02:30:07 PM
They ended up throwing too many references and easter eggs into it

References of terminator?

There's a lot more, not just Terminator.

Quote from: overthere on Jan 16, 2016, 09:51:28 PM

Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Jan 16, 2016, 05:42:17 PM

Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Jan 16, 2016, 02:30:07 PM
They ended up throwing too many references and easter eggs into it

References of terminator?

There's a lot more, not just Terminator.

Like?

Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Jan 19, 2016, 05:25:17 PMLike?

There's the E.T. bit with the bike and the moon. There's a Lethal Weapon reference where the random black cop says, "Two days to retirement!" before he dies, and a bit of the Lethal Weapon score plays in the background. A similar thing happens when the kid mentions Die Hard later in the movie with an extract of the Die Hard score. The kid also mentions how Practice killed Mozart, a reference to F. Murray Abraham's (the actor who plays Practice) role in Amadeus. Sharon Stone's also in there as Catherine Tramell from Basic Instinct. They're just the ones that immediately spring to mind.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 20, 2016, 08:49:35 AM

Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Jan 19, 2016, 05:25:17 PMLike?

There's the E.T. bit with the bike and the moon. There's a Lethal Weapon reference where the random black cop says, "Two days to retirement!" before he dies, and a bit of the Lethal Weapon score plays in the background. A similar thing happens when the kid mentions Die Hard later in the movie with an extract of the Die Hard score. The kid also mentions how Practice killed Mozart, a reference to F. Murray Abraham's (the actor who plays Practice) role in Amadeus. Sharon Stone's also in there as Catherine Tramell from Basic Instinct. They're just the ones that immediately spring to mind.

Thank you.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 20, 2016, 08:49:35 AM

Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Jan 19, 2016, 05:25:17 PMLike?

There's the E.T. bit with the bike and the moon. There's a Lethal Weapon reference where the random black cop says, "Two days to retirement!" before he dies, and a bit of the Lethal Weapon score plays in the background. A similar thing happens when the kid mentions Die Hard later in the movie with an extract of the Die Hard score. The kid also mentions how Practice killed Mozart, a reference to F. Murray Abraham's (the actor who plays Practice) role in Amadeus. Sharon Stone's also in there as Catherine Tramell from Basic Instinct. They're just the ones that immediately spring to mind.

Thanks.

Quote from: overthere on Jan 16, 2016, 02:25:20 PM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 15, 2016, 09:07:53 AM
The problem with Last Action Hero was that it was somehow much less than the sum of its parts. There are so many great scenes, characters and ideas in there, but added together they don't seem to make an especially satisfying movie.

The problem with the movie is it doesn't know what it wants to be and what it's trying to show. For example, there's a scene when the kid is inside the movie and there's a poster of Stallone instead of Arnold in Terminator 2. But at the same time, the real T1000 is roaming around the police station. So inside the movie, there's Terminator 2 the movie and the real Terminator 2 going on. It makes no sense.

The movie world is not supposed to make sense.There is a cigar smoking cartoon cat working in the force.

Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Jan 23, 2016, 01:54:24 AM
The movie world is not supposed to make sense.There is a cigar smoking cartoon cat working in the force.

Exactly. I never understood why people got bent out of shape over the illogical nature of the movie world in LAH. The entire "in the movie" section of the film spends its time pointing out how the movie world is literally just tropes, cliches, and bizarre illogic. Hence all the off-the-wall "buddy team ups" being put together at the police station.

What's up with John McTiernan? I really think he's the one who made Predator into what it is. Let's be honest, from the script alone it could have easily turned out to be a cheesy B movie, forgotten and remembered only when mocking Arnold's bad roles. McTiernan turned it into an amazing action/suspense movie. With all due respect to Shane Black, imagine McTiernan returning to direct the new Predator. The man understands action and pacing. I didn't know who directed Die Hard and the sequels, but it was clear that 1 & 3 were superior to 2. Then I find out it's McTiernan in both of those, and it made sense.

I wonder if he would have considered it if given the opportunity. I know he had some legal problems and even jail time, but I won't get into that. He's brilliant in terms of directing.

Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 23, 2016, 09:21:28 AM

Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Jan 23, 2016, 01:54:24 AM
The movie world is not supposed to make sense.There is a cigar smoking cartoon cat working in the force.

Exactly. I never understood why people got bent out of shape over the illogical nature of the movie world in LAH. The entire "in the movie" section of the film spends its time pointing out how the movie world is literally just tropes, cliches, and bizarre illogic. Hence all the off-the-wall "buddy team ups" being put together at the police station.

That i did like. I just think they could have removed a couple of things

With all the talk aside, I really do want them to solve any remaining issues and announce it. This single piece of information has been keeping me hyped, I deserve moar !

Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 23, 2016, 09:21:28 AMExactly. I never understood why people got bent out of shape over the illogical nature of the movie world in LAH. The entire "in the movie" section of the film spends its time pointing out how the movie world is literally just tropes, cliches, and bizarre illogic. Hence all the off-the-wall "buddy team ups" being put together at the police station.

I think the trouble is the bizarre comedic stuff clashes with the dark stuff in a way that doesn't really work.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 25, 2016, 08:57:28 AM

Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 23, 2016, 09:21:28 AMExactly. I never understood why people got bent out of shape over the illogical nature of the movie world in LAH. The entire "in the movie" section of the film spends its time pointing out how the movie world is literally just tropes, cliches, and bizarre illogic. Hence all the off-the-wall "buddy team ups" being put together at the police station.

I think the trouble is the bizarre comedic stuff clashes with the dark stuff in a way that doesn't really work.

I agree there actually. If they'd toned down one or the other it would have worked better