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This thought came to me while I was just looking at the pictures of a xenomorph redesign, what would the community be OK with any changes to the xenomorph. Like are you OK with big changes to the xenomorph design like having no biomechanical within it or Slight differences like Digiti leg

Major changes are pointless because it stops being a Xenomorph.

Little changes are fine, but I'd say even what we got in AR onwards was a bridge too far.

A Xenomorph without biomechanical skin was already done, in Alien Resurrection.

In Resurrection they look malformed and in pain, cancerous even, in Covenant it looks stripped down to the bare essentials of just skin and bones, but in a more traditional silhouette, ultimately I am ready for the biomechanical again.

NGL, I'd be interested in seeing a biomechanical runner.

I think the Runner falls somewhere between the biomechanical and the decidedly not of later films, conversely it is the Warrior I might like to see in that style.

After all, the other forms of the Alien, do not look biomechanical at all, you have a disconnect between the progeny and the adults.

So something like this
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/58f214f5-e80d-4615-bf7f-5a34c75c041b/dghmsr1-9c8aa81b-1594-43e0-95bf-29c7ddc38e7c.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzU4ZjIxNGY1LWU4MGQtNDYxNS1iZjdmLTVhMzRjNzVjMDQxYlwvZGdobXNyMS05YzhhYTgxYi0xNTk0LTQzZTAtOTViZi0yOWM3ZGRjMzhlN2MuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0._VyQSZ9W04ibfmXyjKC41tQc7o5xDEKKaCLo9Os7h-o)

I use a image of Alex Vasin Link to his Profile  (https://www.artstation.com/artwork/1193799) Alien runner 3d model and a image of a alien warrior head statue from SideShow Link to their website (https://www.sideshow.com/collectibles/aliens-alien-warrior-life-size-head-coolprops-902729)

Could it be better?

Not remotely, I more meant the overall inclusion of muscles, sinews and flesh in addition to the biomechanical across the whole design. As for the execution, stapling a head on to an unrelated design, never a good idea. That beside I can say without exaggeration that I hate Alex Vasin's 3D model, it's ugly and very poorly proportioned. Much prefer this stuff: 



This guy gets it:
(https://img1.cgtrader.com/items/2757779/0033e212af/dog-alien-sculptures-and-bust-fanart-collection-3d-model-obj-stl.jpg)

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 25, 2023, 02:10:44 PMNot remotely, I more meant the overall inclusion of muscles, sinews and flesh in addition to the biomechanical across the whole design. As for the execution, stapling a head on to an unrelated design, never a good idea. That beside I can say without exaggeration that I hate Alex Vasin's 3D model, it's ugly and very poorly proportioned. Much prefer this stuff: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhDWXJJ9i9U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePGzPdKMcR0
This guy gets it:
https://img1.cgtrader.com/items/2757779/0033e212af/dog-alien-sculptures-and-bust-fanart-collection-3d-model-obj-stl.jpg

Oh ok, I'm sorry for misunderstanding your point

The creature already gets redesigned for every film

Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 25, 2023, 04:22:17 AMNGL, I'd be interested in seeing a biomechanical runner.

So something like this or does it need some adjustment.
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/47870550-a907-41a3-8be6-570d0663d56a/d25a36u-e823ac49-69e4-44e7-b45f-495adcf93221.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzQ3ODcwNTUwLWE5MDctNDFhMy04YmU2LTU3MGQwNjYzZDU2YVwvZDI1YTM2dS1lODIzYWM0OS02OWU0LTQ0ZTctYjQ1Zi00OTVhZGNmOTMyMjEuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.FhoPTwtEFMe_We0Ku67gJuX9nB6bqI62TaybjCHMcP4)
Art by Titanoser

Quote from: 426Buddy on Nov 25, 2023, 04:40:58 PMThe creature already gets redesigned for every film

Your not wrong

 :laugh:

The humanoid skull.

Poor man just can't escape...

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 25, 2023, 05:08:26 PM:laugh:

The humanoid skull.

Poor man just can't escape...

Hey he wants something biomechanical so I gave him something biomechanical 

Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 25, 2023, 04:22:17 AMNGL, I'd be interested in seeing a biomechanical runner.

Giger's design (the one with Michelle Pfeiffer's lips) is arguably that, I think.

The final design is pretty accurate to Giger's aesthetic. They didn't use as much actual tubing in the sculpt but the detailing itself is right out of a Giger painting.

Quote from: SiL on Nov 25, 2023, 11:19:51 PMThe final design is pretty accurate to Giger's aesthetic. They didn't use as much actual tubing in the sculpt but the detailing itself is right out of a Giger painting.

Well there is one redesign that put in more giger but I think the artist would adjust the limbs, it be better
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7412/27310144766_1968c37c61_b.jpg)

I would like a total redesign back to the originals. I know that every movie redesigns the Alien. I wish that would stop. Cause the changes got more and more drastic. The first 3 films had the most consistency. Alien3's Runner is the fleshiest I can go with. I want the biomechanical look back on the big screen again. It's been too long.
What separates the Alien from Pumpkinhead and from every other generic fleshy mutant monster, is the biomechanical look. AR was the first to lose that aspect too much.

You want a new Alien? DNA reflex, or a new caste. Don't go redesigning the old thing again and again, return it to it's true glory.

You can go more biomechanical, not less as far as my concern.

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Nov 25, 2023, 05:15:08 PM

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 25, 2023, 05:08:26 PM:laugh:

The humanoid skull.

Poor man just can't escape...

Hey he wants something biomechanical so I gave him something biomechanical 

 >:(

Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 27, 2023, 04:34:54 AM

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Nov 25, 2023, 05:15:08 PM

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 25, 2023, 05:08:26 PM:laugh:

The humanoid skull.

Poor man just can't escape...

Hey he wants something biomechanical so I gave him something biomechanical 

 >:(

;) 👍

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Quote from: Still Collating... on Nov 26, 2023, 01:01:02 AMI would like a total redesign back to the originals. I know that every movie redesigns the Alien. I wish that would stop. Cause the changes got more and more drastic. The first 3 films had the most consistency. Alien3's Runner is the fleshiest I can go with. I want the biomechanical look back on the big screen again. It's been too long.
What separates the Alien from Pumpkinhead and from every other generic fleshy mutant monster, is the biomechanical look. AR was the first to lose that aspect too much.

You want a new Alien? DNA reflex, or a new caste. Don't go redesigning the old thing again and again, return it to it's true glory.

You can go more biomechanical, not less as far as my concern.

Yeah we actually need more biomechanical monsters in general, there hasn't been much up there recently

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 25, 2023, 02:10:44 PMNot remotely, I more meant the overall inclusion of muscles, sinews and flesh in addition to the biomechanical across the whole design. As for the execution, stapling a head on to an unrelated design, never a good idea. That beside I can say without exaggeration that I hate Alex Vasin's 3D model, it's ugly and very poorly proportioned. Much prefer this stuff: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhDWXJJ9i9U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePGzPdKMcR0
This guy gets it:
https://img1.cgtrader.com/items/2757779/0033e212af/dog-alien-sculptures-and-bust-fanart-collection-3d-model-obj-stl.jpg

What would the ideal form for the Alien Sentry 

I mean it depends what it is supposed to be. If it's some new hybrid, I'm ok with some wild alterations. When it's normal, human-based Xeno, I like more subtle changes but I like when they are made. Classic Big Chap is great, but that design had its limitations, since in the end it was just guy in a rubber suit. I'm not a big fan of straight humanoid legs. They doesn't fit very well for a creature that is supposed to be agile and can climbing walls and crawling through narrow spaces. That's why I think that perfect Alien design is Stmopy from Isolation. Designers took what is best about original, and improved upon it, changing to a more animalistic legs, and making it so much bigger. I mean, Badejo was tall and looked badass in costume, but stompy is intimidating as f**k with its height. I also like Aliens from Ressurection, but that's probably because how great they look in motion in terms of special effects. But although I prefer biomechanical look, I don't mind more fleshy look, because it fits the plot and was made purpously. So I hope that in Romulus they will stick to classic look, but also make some small changes, to make it interesting and distinct.

Quote from: jacobo1122 on Dec 11, 2023, 09:28:40 AMI mean it depends what it is supposed to be. If it's some new hybrid, I'm ok with some wild alterations. When it's normal, human-based Xeno, I like more subtle changes but I like when they are made. Classic Big Chap is great, but that design had its limitations, since in the end it was just guy in a rubber suit. I'm not a big fan of straight humanoid legs. They doesn't fit very well for a creature that is supposed to be agile and can climbing walls and crawling through narrow spaces. That's why I think that perfect Alien design is Stmopy from Isolation. Designers took what is best about original, and improved upon it, changing to a more animalistic legs, and making it so much bigger. I mean, Badejo was tall and looked badass in costume, but stompy is intimidating as f**k with its height. I also like Aliens from Ressurection, but that's probably because how great they look in motion in terms of special effects. But although I prefer biomechanical look, I don't mind more fleshy look, because it fits the plot and was made purpously. So I hope that in Romulus they will stick to classic look, but also make some small changes, to make it interesting and distinct.

I like A4 too but with a number of major drawbacks and if I had had something to say, it actually wouldn't have been made.
All the design decisions here were only adapted based on the Sets and have no logic whatsoever for me.
"Hey, we have an underwater scene, give the aliens webbed feet.
And give them animal legs, in one scene you see the alien walking through a hallway, that doesn't look good with normal legs!"

I admit that it can quickly look not good, especially with a walking alien with human legs.
That was also the reason for Creative Assembly to go this route.
I also agree that they did a really good job.
In the first film you don't see the creature walking. Actually not in the second one either, because that was the first time they crawled along the ceilings.
In the third film you could show more because the movement was completely different.
Doggy could walk on all fours and on 2 legs.
But in A4 and AvP they move almost the same way and that makes it pretty illogical to me.

I mean they did show them walking - just from the waist up.

Quote from: SiL on Dec 12, 2023, 09:51:26 AMI mean they did show them walking - just from the waist up.

thats right, you dont see the legs in these scenes.
It's much easier for them to portray Pred because he moves almost like a human

What was illogical about the walking in Resurrection and AvP?

It's not the walking, it's redesigning the legs specifically to show in CGI that they're not human like, or adding a fan to the tail just because they'll swim in one scene.

I mean sure there is a logic there but it's a dumb one.

In CGI, costume or graphics in video game, normal legs just didn't looked good in movement, so it was good decision to change them in A4 or Isolation. Hell, even in many comics when artists are using classic Big Chap design with original legs, many panels with it in motion can look ankward. And so in Destroying Angels for example they went with blend of classic and Ressurection design. And as for adding a fan to a tail for it to fit the swimming scene, I can't blame them, this scene is awesome :) Besides, it's not like it looks bad outside the water or anything.

Normal legs have looked fine. Destroying Angels is just the AR design except for some closeups of the mouth.

The Resurrection design infused with biomechanics.

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 12, 2023, 08:22:52 PMThe Resurrection design infused with biomechanics.

Want a skull in the head too?

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Dec 12, 2023, 08:38:17 PM

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 12, 2023, 08:22:52 PMThe Resurrection design infused with biomechanics.

Want a skull in the head too?

(https://s5.gifyu.com/images/SiRhv.gif)

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExN2JtYjU4cTh0Y3QwaTc2OHNjNDJxMGg2Zno2M2FldGUzNGJneHJnNyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/OyNitFH1sTVIiEG1br/source.gif)

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 12, 2023, 08:49:00 PM

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Dec 12, 2023, 08:38:17 PM

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 12, 2023, 08:22:52 PMThe Resurrection design infused with biomechanics.

Want a skull in the head too?

https://s5.gifyu.com/images/SiRhv.gif

and may the skull be in your head too

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Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 12, 2023, 08:55:35 PMhttps://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExN2JtYjU4cTh0Y3QwaTc2OHNjNDJxMGg2Zno2M2FldGUzNGJneHJnNyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/OyNitFH1sTVIiEG1br/source.gif

:) 👌

Quote from: SiL on Dec 12, 2023, 12:02:01 PMIt's not the walking, it's redesigning the legs specifically to show in CGI that they're not human like, or adding a fan to the tail just because they'll swim in one scene.

I mean sure there is a logic there but it's a dumb one.

The logic in Resurrection is genetic jiggery pokery.  Queens have that funky foot - ipso facto.

AvP and fin tails - yeah dunno.

Quote from: SM on Dec 12, 2023, 09:26:59 PMThe logic in Resurrection is genetic jiggery pokery.  Queens have that funky foot - ipso facto.

We're talking the real-world rationale behind the changes, not the in-film rationale. The leg design was changed because they wanted to show them off in CGI, and the tails were given fins for the one scene (where the fact they have fins on their tails feels fairly irrelevant).

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Dec 12, 2023, 08:38:17 PM

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 12, 2023, 08:22:52 PMThe Resurrection design infused with biomechanics.

Want a skull in the head too?

(https://d2lzb5v10mb0lj.cloudfront.net/covers/400/a/alapc1.jpg)

I mean, just that, that's what they are in Apocalypse.

That's not what they look like in the comic.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRoJi9qbbDcff7mzjmP3dG38hawTW4g5n3EUg&usqp=CAU)

Shoulders and neck are a bit more biomech but overall it's the same design. The tubing visible in the legs is present in ADI's suits.

I swear there's a shot of one from the back that looks fairly biomech.

Found it.
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/c1IB6BnC64oa-3h7cpQwBfTPM-H5p47KyKeNLgOVAnjiVjHrH9Wbr66QIC9mOKHuW6dnI_ji8E_EUDlpVOTZSu6IKATvXklAWBhWg25erV9FrXhPy_2wurVmgBvkEOcdOOiZcryxqA=s0?rhlupa=MjcuNzguOC4yMjc=&rnvuka=TW96aWxsYS81LjAgKExpbnV4OyBBbmRyb2lkIDUuMTsgQTE2MDEgQnVpbGQvTE1ZNDdJKSBBcHBsZVdlYktpdC81MzcuMzYgKEtIVE1MLCBsaWtlIEdlY2tvKSBDaHJvbWUvNTkuMC4zMDcxLjEyNSBNb2JpbGUgU2FmYXJpLzUzNy4zNg)

More clean, but yes, still the same design, shame though.

Quote from: SiL on Dec 12, 2023, 10:04:51 PM

Quote from: SM on Dec 12, 2023, 09:26:59 PMThe logic in Resurrection is genetic jiggery pokery.  Queens have that funky foot - ipso facto.

We're talking the real-world rationale behind the changes, not the in-film rationale. The leg design was changed because they wanted to show them off in CGI, and the tails were given fins for the one scene (where the fact they have fins on their tails feels fairly irrelevant).

Wanted to show them off in CGI or wanted a full body shot that looked less like a dude in a suit?

Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2023, 12:33:21 AMWanted to show them off in CGI or wanted a full body shot that looked less like a dude in a suit?

Tomato tomato. They were changed because effects would let them show off non human legs.

Which is stupid given Alien 3 demonstrated that they inherit the locomotor traits of their hosts.

Which goes back to the point being that the design change logic was kind of naff.

As were the effects that demonstrated that they inherit the locomotor traits of their hosts.

We have all taken a long time to ultimately say nothing.

This is the way.

(https://i.imgflip.com/19fodt.jpg)

Went for the middle ground here, while I don't think a human born Alien for example should have any design changes, some slight changes may be justified such as the Drone aging to warrior, warrior to praetorian etc. Or if its an Alien that comes from non-human host, then some original designs could be made (so long as its not over the top like kenner  :laugh: ). Making major changes to an Alien for little to no reason is not a good idea, if its not broke don't fix it  :laugh:

What if Giger where to design the Queen itself?

It would look like whatever the director of the movie wanted it to look like.

Oh, ok. But if Giger was involved with Aliens, how much difference is would there be?

Cameron designed the Queen himself with Winston, so probably none at all. Cameron's fairly specific with his designs and probably wouldn't have asked Giger to do anything for it (which is exactly why Giger didn't work on the film -- he'd designed the other parts of the species and Cameron wanted to do the Queen himself).

The Queen apparently had a shared predecessor alongside Avatar's Thanator.

(https://i.ibb.co/4Nn9FGp/Picsart-23-12-21-03-02-23-864.jpg)

▶️ Monster Legacy ~ Creatures of Pandora (https://monsterlegacy.net/2015/09/27/avatar-pandora-thanator-ikran-toruk-fauna/#)

Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2023, 04:45:44 AMCameron designed the Queen himself with Winston, so probably none at all. Cameron's fairly specific with his designs and probably wouldn't have asked Giger to do anything for it (which is exactly why Giger didn't work on the film -- he'd designed the other parts of the species and Cameron wanted to do the Queen himself).

I think it was mentioned that as artists, he didn't want any potential conflict or something?

Can the newborn be redeemed with adding more Biomechanical elements?

The newborn is amazing  8)

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 05, 2024, 10:06:44 AMThe newborn is amazing  8)

It's Kinda cool but it too fleshy. Would preferred it to be biomechanical

It's just a big chest burster, and didn't get time to moult or mature (assuming it would have).

Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 05, 2024, 07:22:28 PMIt's just a big chest burster, and didn't get time to moult or mature (assuming it would have).

Good point, would have love if it did grew up with biomechanical features.

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on May 05, 2024, 03:39:26 PM

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 05, 2024, 10:06:44 AMThe newborn is amazing  8)

It's Kinda cool but it too fleshy. Would preferred it to be biomechanical

Yes you're right but in another hand it has logic for the Newborn being too fleshy

I mean he's Ripley's son so yeah  ;D

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 06, 2024, 12:08:54 PMI mean he's Ripley's son so yeah  ;D

grandson*

The only change the classic Alien design needs is making it stands on the tip of it's feet to give it the more alien look while keeping the human shape, like this edit I made of the DBD model for example
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/687781300232388650/1237071841500332082/alien_dbd_movie_proportions3.png?ex=663a506e&is=6638feee&hm=932af1f5ebb6a2bf742d2c813c962140acf318b244ee5b98c0c27fd058e71f55&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1177&height=671)

I can live with that.

Wow, there's even a skull and everything

👏:o

Quote from: PAS Spinelli on May 06, 2024, 04:02:06 PMThe only change the classic Alien design needs is making it stands on the tip of it's feet to give it the more alien look while keeping the human shape, like this edit I made of the DBD model for example
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/687781300232388650/1237071841500332082/alien_dbd_movie_proportions3.png?ex=663a506e&is=6638feee&hm=932af1f5ebb6a2bf742d2c813c962140acf318b244ee5b98c0c27fd058e71f55&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1177&height=671

Absolutely perfection

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Quote from: PAS Spinelli on May 06, 2024, 04:02:06 PMThe only change the classic Alien design needs is making it stands on the tip of it's feet to give it the more alien look while keeping the human shape, like this edit I made of the DBD model for example
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/687781300232388650/1237071841500332082/alien_dbd_movie_proportions3.png?ex=663a506e&is=6638feee&hm=932af1f5ebb6a2bf742d2c813c962140acf318b244ee5b98c0c27fd058e71f55&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1177&height=671

I've been saying this for weeks, how we can have it both ways with the feet.

Quote from: PAS Spinelli on May 06, 2024, 04:02:06 PMThe only change the classic Alien design needs is making it stands on the tip of it's feet to give it the more alien look while keeping the human shape, like this edit I made of the DBD model for example
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/687781300232388650/1237071841500332082/alien_dbd_movie_proportions3.png?ex=663a506e&is=6638feee&hm=932af1f5ebb6a2bf742d2c813c962140acf318b244ee5b98c0c27fd058e71f55&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1177&height=671

I must say I very much like it.

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/687781300232388650/1237151017401843826/alien_dbd_movie_proportions4.png?ex=663a9a2b&is=663948ab&hm=398ba5de8fa6cb310742708e673daac3bd8838cd0fa0e82444fc7218c5207522&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1177&height=671)


Comparsion btw it and DBD's stompy inspired base model
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/687781300232388650/1237151295522078812/alien_comp1.png?ex=663a9a6e&is=663948ee&hm=a6741a431360f6fd735ec61660fb0e1857113c69e6af1b29512b22477ff889ed&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1177&height=671)
And a close up of the edited mouth
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1229987905804697610/1232818882759229450/image.png?ex=663a00ce&is=6638af4e&hm=940685ba31eba54d4311838604936ff6f715ec40f7dceb73d9e41f1a932234f1&=&format=webp&quality=lossless)

Quote from: PAS Spinelli on May 06, 2024, 09:16:48 PMhttps://media.discordapp.net/attachments/687781300232388650/1237151017401843826/alien_dbd_movie_proportions4.png?ex=663a9a2b&is=663948ab&hm=398ba5de8fa6cb310742708e673daac3bd8838cd0fa0e82444fc7218c5207522&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1177&height=671

Comparsion btw it and DBD's stompy inspired base model
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/687781300232388650/1237151295522078812/alien_comp1.png?ex=663a9a6e&is=663948ee&hm=a6741a431360f6fd735ec61660fb0e1857113c69e6af1b29512b22477ff889ed&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1177&height=671And a close up of the edited mouth
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1229987905804697610/1232818882759229450/image.png?ex=663a00ce&is=6638af4e&hm=940685ba31eba54d4311838604936ff6f715ec40f7dceb73d9e41f1a932234f1&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

It so good. I vastly prefer this over the digital legs even tho I don't have a problem with them

How is that really any different to it just slightly crouching? The full crawling mode doesn't require the feet to be permanently jacked like it's wearing invisible high heels.

TBH it just kinda "feels right" to me.

Spoiler

When nobody can see or hear me and I start making Alien noises I default to tiptoes like that lmao.

[close]

Quote from: PAS Spinelli on May 06, 2024, 04:02:06 PMThe only change the classic Alien design needs is making it stands on the tip of it's feet to give it the more alien look while keeping the human shape, like this edit I made of the DBD model for example
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/687781300232388650/1237071841500332082/alien_dbd_movie_proportions3.png?ex=663a506e&is=6638feee&hm=932af1f5ebb6a2bf742d2c813c962140acf318b244ee5b98c0c27fd058e71f55&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1177&height=671

Do you have an HD image of this if so I want it.

I don't mind some changes, each film should give us a slightly fresh glimpse of Giger's masterpiece. That said too different like The New Born is suffice to say not a good idea.

The Newborn was just a whole new concept, identified as such, not an evolution of the design of the xeno we all know. We knew it was a one shot thing, and that it would not reappear in any movies after that.

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 08, 2024, 07:15:50 PMThe Newborn was just a whole new concept, identified as such, not an evolution of the design of the xeno we all know. We knew it was a one shot thing, and that it would not reappear in any movies after that.

Could've lived a bit longer to see if it's adult form That is more biomechanical. Probably never happens but wishful thinking

Considering the more fleshy Aliens in Resurrection, the full grown Newborn - the FullGrown (TM) - likely wouldn't have had much of a biomechanical look.

Quote from: SM on May 09, 2024, 12:38:12 AMConsidering the more fleshy Aliens in Resurrection, the full grown Newborn - the FullGrown (TM) - likely wouldn't have had much of a biomechanical look.

But I want it to be biomechanical :(

On a serious note, I get it being fleshy was a choice but still if it was biomechanical It would've been much better

Oh probably.  Just wasn't really what JPJ was going for though.

Yeah... Still sucks that it didn't happen

Could've been worse.

I'm going to watch and enjoy Rez again now, because of this thread.

I just did two days ago. What a night I had !

Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 09, 2024, 09:09:13 AMI'm going to watch and enjoy Rez again now, because of this thread.

Who? Would you recommend this person?

Rez is short for Resurrection.

Quote from: SiL on May 09, 2024, 07:13:35 PMRez is short for Resurrection.

Oh... :|

Well, if we're going redesign, may as well set it after Resurrection. If the Queen in Resurrection started its reproductive cycle normal and then gained a human reproductive system (giving birth instead of laying eggs) it stands to reason that the other xenos would inevitably go through a similar biological change... therefore, a standard xeno wouldn't eggmorph a host, but xeno-morph (lol) a host.. the host would change into a creature rather than an egg. If we assume they would also have more anthropomorphic features like the newborn, we could come up with some interesting designs... perhaps not all alike, but each a unique combination of xeno and human dna, resulting in similar but physically diverse creatures.

That's some Gibson shit right there.

Quote from: SM on May 14, 2024, 02:51:30 AMThat's some Gibson shit right there.

Indeed... but then it'd have to be a two way street... if the Queen continues to undergo metamorphosis, then why shouldn't Ripley 8? Imagine some of the cool and grotesque imagery we could get as Ripley first goes full 'reproduction mode' as per Sil from 'Species', and then goes on to develop an egg sack 🤣

I think they should try quality, original writing instead of a redesign lol.

The design was perfect once....in 1979.

Aliens messed the hands up, but excellent.

Alien 3 design was excellent too, though it could have been less fleshy.

It's all hot garbage until Covenant, but suffers from a few issues.

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Quote from: SM on May 14, 2024, 02:51:30 AMThat's some Gibson shit right there.

Indeed... but then it'd have to be a two way street... if the Queen continues to undergo metamorphosis, then why shouldn't Ripley 8? Imagine some of the cool and grotesque imagery we could get as Ripley first goes full 'reproduction mode' as per Sil from 'Species', and then goes on to develop an egg sack 🤣

I can dig it.

Started a fan fic about that very thing years ago, but it didn't really go anywhere.

Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on May 14, 2024, 05:01:17 PM... and then goes on to develop an egg sack 🤣

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Best bit.

That's some Blomkamp shit right there

Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on May 14, 2024, 05:01:17 PM

Quote from: SM on May 14, 2024, 02:51:30 AMThat's some Gibson shit right there.

Indeed... but then it'd have to be a two way street... if the Queen continues to undergo metamorphosis, then why shouldn't Ripley 8? Imagine some of the cool and grotesque imagery we could get as Ripley first goes full 'reproduction mode' as per Sil from 'Species', and then goes on to develop an egg sack 🤣

Despite it running counter to Riply 8's (thin, kinda flimsy) arc in Resurrection about reembracing humanity, this is something I've long said I'd be genuinely intrigued to see. Even if it's just some sort of implication that that is out there, in the post-Resurrection portion of the timeline.