Just thinking about the aliens opponents and if we give the alien more credit than it has really shown.
Obviously the nostromo crew shouldn't be much of a challenge with a bunch of unarmed blue collared workers.
In Aliens it appears the high volume of aliens is what overwhelms the force of marines, and the marines had very poor tactics. But when they were confronted and could see their targets the marines were killing the aliens left and right. I imagine if they had gone in with a bigger force and not walked right into the nest off the bat they probably would have done more damage.
Alien 3 we have a bunch of prisoners using whatever resources they can scramble up.
Alien: R we have a bunch of scientist and some really poorly trained soldiers/guards.
And it seems to be the reoccurring theme that the alien is excellent at taking out these scientists or barely armed people, but against just a few remaining marines and people they were kinda getting their asses kicked.
We already know the alien thrives at being in dark environments with places it can hide and sneak up on you, but if that's what it relies on, is it really as strong as we give it credit for?
Disclaimer: this was not written from a predator fan
I don't think the films depict the Alien as omnipotent. In Alien a good spear gun works, in Aliens the light armor piercing pulse rifles blow them to bits, in Alien3 there is no real weapons to do them harm, and in Alien Resurrection the weapons work fine on them. The creature comes across invincible if you let the fear of it prevail, and there are reasons to be afraid, if it gets its hands in you, you're done, one way or another.
Quote from: littlesprout on Jun 19, 2023, 07:20:36 PMJust thinking about the aliens opponents and if we give the alien more credit than it has really shown.
Yes.
Quote from: SM on Oct 05, 2019, 10:13:44 PMPerfect organisms don't need a completely different species to propagate and are susceptible to machine guns.
If anything we don't give the Alien enough credit as it's constantly disrespected by every single non movie and non recent game media
If we add the Alien Vs Predator films, they are even less god like.
I'm not counting AVP as AVP is part of the disrespect I mentioned
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jun 19, 2023, 11:36:59 PMI'm not counting AVP as AVP is part of the disrespect I mentioned
Ah, so no crossovers.
The entire premise of the crossovers is downplaying the aliens and making the writers pet predator have a good time killing them while some shoehorned background predator dies to try and make it look like the crossover favors both equally
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jun 19, 2023, 11:42:17 PMThe entire premise of the crossovers is downplaying the aliens and making the writers pet predator have a good time killing them while some shoehorned background predator dies to try and make it look like the crossover favors both equally
Hmmm, AVP had the first two Preds slayed quickly, Scar gets impregated and killed by The Queen. Oh and the Predalien comes out of Scar and kills a bunch of Preds and Wolf in AVPR. If anything the Aliens did more damage than The Preds overall.
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jun 19, 2023, 11:44:16 PMQuote from: PAS Spinelli on Jun 19, 2023, 11:42:17 PMThe entire premise of the crossovers is downplaying the aliens and making the writers pet predator have a good time killing them while some shoehorned background predator dies to try and make it look like the crossover favors both equally
Hmmm, AVP had the first two Preda slayed quickly, Scar gets impregated and killed by The Queen. Oh and the Predaliwn comes out of Scar and kills a bunch of Preds and Wolf in AVPR. If anything the Aliens did more damage than The Preds overall.
Chopper and the opening scene Predators from AVPR are literally what I just described, they are there to die so the crossover can look more equal, but if you were to cut all of their scenes out nothing would change.
Also, AVPR is by far the most insulting media towards the Aliens, as in every single fight scene the Aliens will just stand still waiting to die.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jun 19, 2023, 11:47:10 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jun 19, 2023, 11:44:16 PMQuote from: PAS Spinelli on Jun 19, 2023, 11:42:17 PMThe entire premise of the crossovers is downplaying the aliens and making the writers pet predator have a good time killing them while some shoehorned background predator dies to try and make it look like the crossover favors both equally
Hmmm, AVP had the first two Preda slayed quickly, Scar gets impregated and killed by The Queen. Oh and the Predaliwn comes out of Scar and kills a bunch of Preds and Wolf in AVPR. If anything the Aliens did more damage than The Preds overall.
Chopper and the opening scene Predators from AVPR are literally what I just described, they are there to die so the crossover can look more equal, but if you were to cut all of their scenes out nothing would change.
Also, AVPR is by far the most insulting media towards the Aliens, as in every single fight scene the Aliens will just stand still waiting to die.
I personally love the ambush of National Guard in the rain by the Xenomorphs.
Define "strong".
Physical strength? You try jumping out of molten lead.
A formidable force?
You're still looking for a two foot worm when the thing has already grown into an eight foot, armour plated, acid bleeding monstrosity with impeccable path finding skills.
They're not bullet proof, no. They're useless out in the open.
Which is why they don't go out into the open, they test offences, and they change their attack approaches when they need to.
Like zombies it would be really easy to stop an outbreak if you act early and decisively. But also like zombies once they dig in they're a nightmare to get rid of.
The marines didn't do that well against the Aliens. Confirmed on-screen kills is somewhere around 20. The tracker is full of signals at the end. They're tough sons of bitches.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jun 19, 2023, 11:47:10 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jun 19, 2023, 11:44:16 PMQuote from: PAS Spinelli on Jun 19, 2023, 11:42:17 PMThe entire premise of the crossovers is downplaying the aliens and making the writers pet predator have a good time killing them while some shoehorned background predator dies to try and make it look like the crossover favors both equally
Hmmm, AVP had the first two Preda slayed quickly, Scar gets impregated and killed by The Queen. Oh and the Predaliwn comes out of Scar and kills a bunch of Preds and Wolf in AVPR. If anything the Aliens did more damage than The Preds overall.
Chopper and the opening scene Predators from AVPR are literally what I just described, they are there to die so the crossover can look more equal, but if you were to cut all of their scenes out nothing would change.
Also, AVPR is by far the most insulting media towards the Aliens, as in every single fight scene the Aliens will just stand still waiting to die.
Independent of how the individual Aliens did against the (experienced, well-equipped) Predator in the movie, the Aliens straight up murder an entire town in about a day to the point that it requires a tactical nuclear strike to contain the threat (and even Wolf is ultimately unable to contain the outbreak). I think the Aliens did okay.
They appear to murder a town of people mostly stuck in their cars in a traffic jam leaving town, it's really not a compliment to their abilities.
I don't remember that at all, but it's also been a good decade since I watched the movie.
They evacuate the town after the power plant gets damaged. You see the traffic jam in the infamous "people are dying, we need guns" scene, then rows of empty cars when the National Guard arrives.
Huh, I don't remember that at all.
Has there ever been an Aliens shooter where the Aliens are a threat? Like, you can kill them at range, but if they get their hands on you, you're screwed basically?
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jun 21, 2023, 03:10:10 PMHuh, I don't remember that at all.
Well, its not a memorable movie I suppose.
Quote from: caffeine4671 on Jun 21, 2023, 03:29:00 PMHas there ever been an Aliens shooter where the Aliens are a threat? Like, you can kill them at range, but if they get their hands on you, you're screwed basically?
Technically Fireteam elite and AVP2 if you aren't on normal/standard
Like, on AFTE, if a Drone or Warrior gets too close and you are by yourself, you are basically screwed, SPECIALLY if you are on Intense+
Quote from: SiL on Jun 21, 2023, 09:50:04 AMThey evacuate the town after the power plant gets damaged. You see the traffic jam in the infamous "people are dying, we need guns" scene, then rows of empty cars when the National Guard arrives.
Surprised that any details are remembered by anyone of that particular film.
Then again, I remember details of The Room and a 1980 Fulci film, so I shouldn't be that wow'd or amazed.
In the theatrical version there's also a shot from Wolf's POV watching the cars (replaced by Molly and Kelly in the cemetery in the extended edition.)
I know me AvP films, what can I say
Quote from: SiL on Jun 21, 2023, 09:53:43 PMI know me AvP films, what can I say
I think I saw AvPR more than once and the only thing I can truly remember is the eggbarfing scene.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 21, 2023, 09:53:43 PMIn the theatrical version there's also a shot from Wolf's POV watching the cars (replaced by Molly and Kelly in the cemetery in the extended edition.)
I know me AvP films, what can I say
Huh...to be frank, the only thing I remember was the scene where the dad's arm was melted off and the kid and him get Merc'd by a couple facehuggers. I remember watching the scene and giggling. Not cause the tone was funny, it's pretty mean and dark, but over how over the top and violent it is (the acid is at least realistic for once!).
Also fun fact, at the time of the evacuation there are only three Aliens including the PredAlien. Carrie, the first host of fresh Aliens, doesn't pop until after the power goes out.
The alien is incredibly powerful. Aside from being able to adapt to any environment, we see it crushing Parker's head with its bare hands before it finishes him with a bite, lifting Bret up into the vents balancing only on its tail. We see them battering metal doors in the 2nd movie.
The problem first arose with 'Aliens' - as soon as you include more than one of them, the writers don't know what to do with them besides turn them into fodder. Sure, explosive-tip caseless light armoured piercing rounds... but it kick started a trend which was repeated in Resurrection, and every videogame since bar 'Isolation'(only Creative Assembly gave the creature the respect it deserved).
'Alien 3' doesn't get enough recognition... sure you can argue the prisoners had no weapons... but this is supposed to be a facility holding double-y chromo boys...murderers, rapists, and as we see during the attack on Ripley, guys like Dillon can handle themselves... not one of them was anything when faced with the xeno. AvP movies the Alien is always nerfed for the sake of the Predators.
Yes, the Alien is powerful - I hope Romulus shows it the respect it deserves.
I think despite the explosive rounds Cameron still made them a nightmare just by virtue of capitalising on the acid spray. You don't dare kill it but if you do, well, you're still possibly f**ked.
The Aliens aren't cannon fodder in Resurrection.
One gets blown up in an EEV after slaughtering the occupants.
Ripley shoots one.
One gets blown up underwater.
Another gets shot on the ladder.
That's 4 Aliens killed the whole movie (not counting the ones the Aliens killed, obviously).
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jun 24, 2023, 12:52:03 AMI think despite the explosive rounds Cameron still made them a nightmare just by virtue of capitalising on the acid spray. You don't dare kill it but if you do, well, you're still possibly f**ked.
Apart from Dwayne Hicks. Who lived to die another day.
Considering most of the acid hit his armour, the fact it put him out of commission with mostly just splash back is still pretty impressive. Last seen doping himself to the eyeballs on painkillers.
Hudson got off the lightest.
Yeah and who knows the long term effects from that, perhaps his life expectancy may have been shorter, immune issues, etc. Being crushed in hypersleep is a pretty merciful death in this universe lol
Lung damage from the fumes - but Ripley was ok.
Yeah true, was thinking the direct contact on his face. Surely blind in one eye? I've memory holed that Blomkamp concept art. 😂
The original Alien was surprisingly powerful in the novelisation; able to peel back three-centimetres-thick ship plating when it snatched Dallas, and wrecking the contents of a food locker.
A deleted scene showed it bursting open a pipe when slamming Parker into a wall.
Physically strong - but not invulnerable.
The Alien, if we're to go by how it's canonically supposed to look in the 79 film, the Alien is basically a metallic-chiton killing-skeleton.
The Aliens movie really depends on if you look at the sentry gun scenes or not.
Sentry guns kill lots of them. If you don't take the SE as canon, then the number really isn't all that different between the Marines killing Aliens and the Aliens killing Marines. 11 Marines vs something like 17 on screen Alien deaths. Add a few more if you want. The motion tracker showing floods of Aliens is pretty much the same in the hive, the same before the ops battle, and the same after the ops battle in both versions.
I think it is important to note that they are way more lethal than any terrestrial animal (aside from bacteria and viruses) that humanity has come across. The Aliens kill almost everybody in every movie on the humans home turf. Even freakish occurrences like those two lions in Africa that killed a huge amount of people were still on the LIONS home turf. If people could flick a switch and seperate themselves from the lions by a steel door in those times, there wouldn't have been an issue.
I'm 200 lbs and with a full kit on of body armor and weapon (plus ammo) and helmet I'd wager I'd be about 245 (pretty close I just added everything up). You take probably a female who weights probably 50 lbs less. Then you subtract maybe five lbs of gear for future tech advantage, and you still have the Alien one handing Dietrich up the wall in Aliens.
A human can carry a 195 lb human places. But can't pull itself up one armed up the wall, even if it is janky looking AF. So they still have crazy strength to snatch armored humans off the floor and web them on the wall somewhere like a kid would a small child. Not to mention hitting steel doors hard enough to get to people on the other side.
The sentry guns don't add many on screen Alien deaths. I think it only pushes it into the low to mid 20s.
The marines achieve very little in the film - although obviously mostly due to their leaders incompetence.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 19, 2023, 10:57:05 AMThe marines achieve very little in the film - although obviously mostly due to their leaders incompetence.
The lack of ammo and grenades didn't help any.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jun 21, 2023, 04:19:11 PMQuote from: caffeine4671 on Jun 21, 2023, 03:29:00 PMHas there ever been an Aliens shooter where the Aliens are a threat? Like, you can kill them at range, but if they get their hands on you, you're screwed basically?
Technically Fireteam elite and AVP2 if you aren't on normal/standard
Like, on AFTE, if a Drone or Warrior gets too close and you are by yourself, you are basically screwed, SPECIALLY if you are on Intense+
It can be very fun, but on the higher difficulties, the amount of bullets that you need to take out Drones and Warriors doesn't jive with second film.
Aliens in the higher difficulties of Aliens Darks Decent are more screen accurate in terms of damage and health. You can die
so extremely fast in that game, even fully upgraded and just by one Alien. Like, even on easier difficulties, you can be destroying them at a distance, but if you make a wrong turn, wrong timing, round a corner and the Alien is in you face, your marine can die in seconds!
IMO, that game respects the strength and deadliness of the Aliens.
I used to be more of a stance that the Aliens should have stronger armor, but after getting to know guns and ballistics a bit more (literally just cause of my Colonial Marine curiosity), no creature with a semblance of realism and being as lean and elegant as the Alien could withstand future gunfire of more than a few seconds. The fact that they do anything at all against armed people with Sci Fi rifles is astounding!
The Alien should be showing the deadliness of its acid blood, using cover, insane speed, shadows, vents and pipes to sneak up on people. Show them as smart as possible in planning attacks and sneaking around and I'll be happy.
The Xenomorph's physical strength is mightily impressive.
Parker's death in Alien is a good case in point.
Parker was roughly 6ft 4 inches tall and I estimate he weighed approximately 240 to 250 pounds, that's using myself as a reference at 6ft 3 inches and around 280 pounds.
In terms of physicality, he was certainly not the type of guy you'd like to antagonise, however, Big Chap absolutely YEETED him across the room with relative ease and made quick work of him, pinning him against the wall and smushing his head somewhat.
I'd wager it would take about 6 of my pals to launch me across a similar sized room and god only knows how much strength would be required to turn my head into a chutney (and I warn you, my head is MASSIVE)
And yes...pretty useless out in the open providing you've got adequate firepower along with sufficient ammunition and the advantage in distance, but even then you best pray its one on one or you're evenly matched with regards to manpower.
So in essence, tough as nails.
I remember that the First AvP comic it shown the Xenomorph and the Yautja being somewhat equals, with the Yautja winning but barely alive
Quote from: Murphy's Boot on Sep 11, 2023, 01:59:19 AMThe Xenomorph's physical strength is mightily impressive.
Parker's death in Alien is a good case in point.
Parker was roughly 6ft 4 inches tall and I estimate he weighed approximately 240 to 250 pounds, that's using myself as a reference at 6ft 3 inches and around 280 pounds.
In terms of physicality, he was certainly not the type of guy you'd like to antagonise, however, Big Chap absolutely YEETED him across the room with relative ease and made quick work of him, pinning him against the wall and smushing his head somewhat.
I'd wager it would take about 6 of my pals to launch me across a similar sized room and god only knows how much strength would be required to turn my head into a chutney (and I warn you, my head is MASSIVE)
There is a lot of people on the forums with beef against the Alien in Isolation being too heavy footed. Some people went out of their way to call him "Stompy". What do you think about that?
Apparently to some people the most authentic alien would be that of AVP1 where it throws itself across the map in a single leap. Its footsteps sound like tiny clicks. Not very realistic in terms of gravity there in that game.
To me the most realistic is the one in Alien Isolation. They have the weight down right acoustically.
There was some fan 3d rendering, a segment for a short scene with JC's alien jumping on the ground and the walls. Also acoustically realistic making him sound like it was at least 180 pounds.
Considering the Aliens don't make loud stomping sounds in the films (except one or two notable instances in later movies), it is more authentic for them to not make noise when they walk. Stompy is ridiculous in that regard.
Imagine someone putting Stompy footsteps over Parker and Lambert dying. It'd be laughable.
That part of Stompy is ridiculous. That for me is a clear instance where for the sake of game mechanics and balance, they made something that made no sense canon wise for such a stealth predator. Not to mention that no creature of any weight would make such loud sounds even if they tried. From tigers to elephants, their footsteps make almost no sounds at all. Claws on hard surfaces, yes, you'd hear something. Exactly the sounds you hear in the previous games.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Sep 24, 2023, 08:38:00 PMNot to mention that no creature of any weight would make such loud sounds even if they tried.
Would absolutely make that sound if it
tried, but why would it?
Just to weight in on 'Stompy' - I think it pretty much emulates what we see in the movies to be fair. In 'Alien 3' after Clemens is killed and Ripley recoils to the wall, the runner stomps over to her. When it runs across the ceiling in the tunnels surrounding the blast furnace it rapid-stomps (and later seems almost silent and light-footed when having doors sealed behind it).
In 'Alien', we don't get an opportunity to hear it stomp - it attacks Brett from the ceiling, Dallas in the ducts. When it attacks Lambert and Parker it slowly stands raising itself to full height, but we don't know if it stomps, as all we hear is the overbearing soundtrack and see it slow-mo back to Lambert after killing Parker. In the shuttle it falls to the floor and then simply stands again before being blasted out of the airlock.
In 'Aliens', the only time we see the xenos standing/moving on the metal grates, there is always either Smart Gun or Pulse Rifle fire (or we anre viewing them through a monitor whilst sentry guns are firing) and heavy soundtrack. The times we see them moving silently they are coming out of the hive walls or ceilings. (And whilst the queen is larger, we hear it stomp over to the loader bay door in pursuit of Ripley on the Sulaco)
And hate to reference 'Alien Resurrection' for anything (as it gets everything about the creature from its sound to behaviour etc wrong) but pretty sure when we get that camera shot from beneath the xeno as the crew are trying to get through the door before Ripley shows up and shoots it the mouth, we hear a stomp as it's foot comes down.
I'd need to rewatch Covenant for the airlock scene as whilst I can picture it I can't hear it in my head 🤣
But I don't think 'Alien Isolation' was OTT - if it was attacking from lurking on the walls or ceilings I'd expect it to be silent, but walking around the station without an overbearing movie soundtrack? Corresponds to 'Alien 3'. 😃
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Sep 24, 2023, 09:09:24 PMIn 'Alien 3' after Clemens is killed and Ripley recoils to the wall, the runner stomps over to her. When it runs across the ceiling in the tunnels surrounding the blast furnace it rapid-stomps (and later seems almost silent and light-footed when having doors sealed behind it).
It's mostly completely silent when running around. The sounds it does make approaching Ripley in the infirmary aren't anywhere near as bad as Stompy.
QuoteWhen it attacks Lambert and Parker it slowly stands raising itself to full height, but we don't know if it stomps, as all we hear is the overbearing soundtrack and see it slow-mo back to Lambert after killing Parker. In the shuttle it falls to the floor and then simply stands again before being blasted out of the airlock.
The Alien first crawls into the room silently -- and there's no soundtrack. The shot of it walking towards Lambert isn't slow motion, but there isn't any sound.
QuoteIn 'Aliens', the only time we see the xenos standing/moving on the metal grates, there is always either Smart Gun or Pulse Rifle fire (or we anre viewing them through a monitor whilst sentry guns are firing) and heavy soundtrack.
The sound mix when the Alien approaches Ripley and Newt in Operations would more than allow for heavy metal stomping (we can hear it hissing, the background sound is mixed down) -- but it's not there.
Them moving around quietly is absolutely intentional in the movies, with the occasional noise for dramatic effect. Mr Stompy is just trying to be polite, letting everyone know where he is.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 24, 2023, 07:57:35 PMConsidering the Aliens don't make loud stomping sounds in the films (except one or two notable instances in later movies), it is more authentic for them to not make noise when they walk. Stompy is ridiculous in that regard.
Imagine someone putting Stompy footsteps over Parker and Lambert dying. It'd be laughable.
I'd unironically buy that for a dollar and some laughs, actually. That or seeing an Alien: Isolation-like game where the alien movements are mostly silent and require constant vigilance from the player. The game sort of fails in that regard: disregarding that you can indeed shoot an alien and kill it, acknowledged by Dan O'Bannon and later Cameron, and it instead took the lazy 'bullets won't kill it' approach for the sake of balance. I
understand why they felt they had to do it that way, but you can just make the alien smarter and more silent. Or simply make it harder to use your firearms and find bullets, like the recent Amnesia entry did.
I think I have the sound somewhere. I'll get 'round to it.
The only time I remember the Aliens being heavy footed's when the Dragon runs across the roof in Alien³ and the Queen.
After playing the last 4 Alien games
Most realistic is Dark Descent imo
Fast, strong, silent (only being able to be tracked via motion tracker) and absolutely horrifying to go against, one mistake you die. A single drone can wipe out your whole squad if you are in a bad position or out of ammo, a Warrior can wipe out your whole squad by you don't dodge it's pounce, impressive game that makes ALL aliens tough, yet somehow still allows you to kill hundreds of them.
Stompy makes sense to me cuz by that point the Aliens know and got used to being in the power role
Stompy I need you to be more Stealth because you need to be more "authentic" to the films....
Dev makes a quick edit.
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I replayed this part 50 times, i still don't hear a single foot step. LOL
https://youtu.be/DZFydcYiOtQ?si=wtwYXVkVO79iHJmk&t=60 (https://youtu.be/DZFydcYiOtQ?si=wtwYXVkVO79iHJmk&t=60)
Quote from: BenditlikeBeckum on Sep 24, 2023, 11:08:17 PMStompy I need you to be more Stealth because you need to be more "authentic" to the films....
Dev makes a quick edit.
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So basically like this
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Sep 24, 2023, 11:39:34 PMQuote from: BenditlikeBeckum on Sep 24, 2023, 11:08:17 PMStompy I need you to be more Stealth because you need to be more "authentic" to the films....
Dev makes a quick edit.
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So basically like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAMhbz-QXs4
Perfection.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 24, 2023, 09:49:38 PMThe only time I remember the Aliens being heavy footed's when the Dragon runs across the roof in Alien³ and the Queen.
While there are definitely audible footsteps in that shot (and again when it approaches Ripley in the infirmary) I'm not sure I'd even call it heavy footed. At least not for something of its size.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 24, 2023, 08:47:10 PMQuote from: Still Collating... on Sep 24, 2023, 08:38:00 PMNot to mention that no creature of any weight would make such loud sounds even if they tried.
Would absolutely make that sound if it tried, but why would it?
Bingo. For anyone curious, try running down your hallway flat footed versus on the balls of your feet, and consider that the only thing that changed was your posture.
In light of that, I'd have it stomp about 30% of the times it comes running at you or flees, with the rest of any movement sounds, regardless of behaviour, being clacking claws or horrifying silence. Preferably with some subtle animation difference in the legs and posture.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 25, 2023, 02:03:03 AMQuote from: SiL on Sep 24, 2023, 08:47:10 PMQuote from: Still Collating... on Sep 24, 2023, 08:38:00 PMNot to mention that no creature of any weight would make such loud sounds even if they tried.
Would absolutely make that sound if it tried, but why would it?
Bingo. For anyone curious, try running down your hallway flat footed versus on the balls of your feet, and consider that the only thing that changed was your posture.
In light of that, I'd have it stomp about 30% of the times it comes running at you or flees, with the rest of any movement sounds, regardless of behaviour, being clacking claws or horrifying silence. Preferably with some subtle animation difference in the legs and posture.
Yeah this actually makes a lot of sense, in Alien it was quiet because it was hunting, if it had eyes on a target it would become stealthy, in Alien Isolation it was just wondering around the place, it like a curious Cat just checking up on things.
Are cats known for stomping around when not hunting ... ?
I have two and there is 0 difference in the sound they make between casually strolling and hunting.
No, but mine make a hell of a racket when they're playing and chasing each other.
You know I didn't see any nostromo crew examining and analysing acoustical foot landings when the alien appeared. It was probably due to the fact that 'Most producers' of films tend to like to use foley artists and those either will record something useful or not. If there is no audio during the time of the 'killers approaching from behind' probably meant they muted the track.
Sorry fellas, there is no concrete analysis (within the movie) about stompy 'sounds' against all your methodical brain storming of your pet kittens stomping on hard wood floors or metal grates vs an alien made of nanomeshed titanium bio mechanical substances full of acid for blood in a fictional horror movie that is supposed to get your heart pounding. But you guys have a right to an opinion.
"It's a movie" is a poor argument here. A creature of that size and mass absolutely would generate heavy sounding footfalls if it was 200% focussed on rushing a target or getting away from a threat, and would also quickly return to its usual cautious, quiet movements thereafter.
Agreed. every one seems to think the alien is as light as a feather at all times. Its poor judgement and an analysis of something that is utterly from a creative mind. When in stealth mode the alien (if silent) is will either be slightly audible or not. When explicitly muted in a film, its obviously film logic unless its expressed through some narrative made by a character (even then its just fictional mumbo jumbo).
And if one should be critical about 'stomping' sounds, one should be creative enough to compare ideas,discuss it and not just say 'oh, that foley is soooo fake lets make fun of it like children do' kind of thing on a fictional beast.
So I briefly mention it in this post to make a point that something this large that kills like it does needs to move with its heavy sounds. Otherwise it would be unlikely to exist and clearly muted because of filmic reasons.
By all means, the xeno does have advanced cordings and muscular structure to move silently when needed but you can't discount that it must make sounds when it needs to be fast.
But the video shows that it clearly didn't because of brief moment in videogaming buggyness. So how is that for an hour long discussion about something that should be clearly blamed on mere fantasy judgement calls?
So in response to "It's a movie". Yes it is! And that explanation makes up for a lot of marvelously impossible BS. The same applies to brief moments in gaming. But AVP1, the game, has lots of universal crap that doesn't make any sense. Mainly the inclusiveness of being able to play an Alien which messes up the games physics.
To this day, people say 'I want to play as an Alien' in a game made in 2023 makes no sense since the physics and realism has increased 1000% since AVP1 which came out in 1999.
Its not like art that came out in the 40s which should be respected for its brush strokes and paint qualities. It came out in the age of computers where every year they try to out do competition.
There's a lot of goal-post shifting going on here. "We never see them in this circumstance where we would hear stomping" turns into "the Oscar-nominated sound team just couldn't be bothered with the sound effects."
The movies are consistent that Aliens don't make a great deal of noise getting around. It's incongruous to add a great deal of noise to them moving around. It's welcome as a gameplay mechanic, certainly, but it would rather spoil the creature if it was a regular feature. What is or isn't realistic has nothing to do with it.
The only thing childish is getting upset that some people don't like a particular gameplay mechanic. It doesn't need to be taken quite so seriously.
It's purely a consideration of the gameplay. It's to let the player know when the Alien is around (or coming after them), nothing more or less. And it also (in my experience) ups the tension of the game as well. My heart rate shot up whenever I heard those footsteps. Stompy is just an affectionate nickname.
If the thing was actually as silent as in the movies the game would be unplayable for a lot of people.
Like me.