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It’s the moment that many of us expected once news came that Marvel would be taking over the Alien and Predator comics – Marvel has just announced the first crossover with one of their legacy characters, Wolverine! Written by Benjamin Percy (who previously wrote Aliens: Aftermath), Predator vs. Wolverine is a 4 issue series that is currently expected to hit shelves in September.

THE THRILL IS THE KILL! Wolverine has lived one of the longest and most storied lives in comics history. Now witness the untold greatest battles of Logan's life – against a Predator! One Yautja seeks the greatest prey in existence – and finds it in Weapon X. From the blood-ridden snows of the Canadian wilderness to the sword-slinging streets of Madripoor, Wolverine and a Predator break everything in their paths on their way to the ultimate victory...or glorious death.

According to Marvel’s announcement,  the interior artwork of Predator vs. Wolverine will be provided by many different artists including the controversial Greg Land, Andrea Di Vito, Ken Lashley, Kei Zama, and “many more.” 

In addition to Benjamin Percy’s previous credit writing for Aliens under Marvel, he is writing Marvel’s current Wolverine and X-Force series. Describing the scope of the upcoming crossover, Percy explains:

"This epic hunt will span decades, as both of these giants learn and harden and grow deadlier with time," Percy continued. "Neither will have time to bleed, but you better make time to read, because I’m putting everything I’ve got into this event, and I’m thrilled to join forces with some of the best artists in the business."

Marvel also recently announced the second volume of Predator: The Original Years which is expected to release March 2024. The first issue of Predator vs. Wolverine will release in September 2023. Thanks to Julio Nimbley Jr. and Gareth Von Kallenbach for the news.

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Corporal Hicks, both myself and Nightmare Asylum, have already created a post on this. Can you use your magic, maybe delete or merge posts? And sorry for the headache for the confusion.

They should've got Chris Claremont to write it.

Hopefully this will be as good as Batman.

Quote from: Ryu on Jun 08, 2023, 03:02:14 PMCorporal Hicks, both myself and Nightmare Asylum, have already created a post on this. Can you use your magic, maybe delete or merge posts? And sorry for the headache for the confusion.

All sorted.

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https://twitter.com/Benjamin_Percy/status/1666812857575702533

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We all knew this moment was coming. And it's a really good first choice! I'm loving the sounds of it being a decades long chase between the two of them.

As far as comic character vs Predator goes, Wolverine is the one that definitely makes the most sense. The premise doesn't sound half bad, either.

Obviously this won't be canon to the Predator movies, but I wonder if this is going to be considered Marvel canon?

 Let's get to the point, give us Predator vs Mickey mouse  :-

Nope...nope nope nope. These kind of releases go in my personal head iggy-bin along with stuff like Superman vs Aliens. Do not want. 😅

Eh, I'm fine with this kind of thing.... in comics. I don't think it should ever, ever leave the realm of comics, though.

I'm usually of the same mentality when it comes to AVP, with a desire to keep even that crossover strictly confined to comics and games. Though admittedly, the recent news we got about the shelved animated AVP series, and the extent to which it shockingly intrigued me, softened my aversion to the idea of AVP on screen a tad.

Surprised they didnt just do this an one-shots like when the Predators attacked the Dark Horse "Heroes"

Tehehe I love my heckin Marvelino Superheroes!!!! The Aliens and Predators should be honored to be beaten up by Zebraman and Fartfartboy! Ohhhhhh boooooy Disney sure is amazing!

Quote from: TheRatsCatamitr on Jun 08, 2023, 03:43:18 PMTehehe I love my heckin Marvelino Superheroes!!!! The Aliens and Predators should be honored to be beaten up by Zebraman and Fartfartboy! Ohhhhhh boooooy Disney sure is amazing!

I mean, is this really any different than the DC crossovers from the Dark Horse era?

Like, I totally get this not being someone's thing. It isn't really something I'm particularly clamoring for, either. But it isn't exactly something new, either.

Huh. Makes sense, I suppose

Oh no I just saw that Greg Land is one of the artists. Hope he isn't tracing here... :-\

The idea of this having multiple artists is interesting, I wonder if maybe the art style is going to shift as it moves from one era to the next?

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 08, 2023, 04:23:25 PMThe idea of this having multiple artists is interesting, I wonder if maybe the art style is going to shift as it moves from one era to the next?

That's precisely my thought as well. I'm intrigued by it.

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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 08, 2023, 04:10:23 PMI mean, is this really any different than the DC crossovers from the Dark Horse era?

It isn't. And the Batman vs. Predator crossovers were great. So was Archie vs. Predator surprisingly. I used to absolutely hate the crossovers, but once I actually gave some of them a go, there's some genuinely great ones in that back catalogue.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 08, 2023, 04:26:03 PM

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 08, 2023, 04:10:23 PMI mean, is this really any different than the DC crossovers from the Dark Horse era?

It isn't. And the Batman vs. Predator crossovers were great. So was Archie vs. Predator surprisingly. I used to absolutely hate the crossovers, but once I actually gave some of them a go, there's some genuinely great ones in that back catalogue.

I think the only crossover I've actually read in full is Predator vs. Judge Dredd vs. Aliens which, uh, probably wasn't the most shining example of what these could be. :laugh:

Well that's just fun.

I'm a fan of this spanning over several decades.  Looking forward to it.

Hopefully, at the end of the day, they put down their weapons, and have some whiskey and a cigar together.

Isn't it always the way? You wait months for a Marvel Predator announcement, then two come along at once!

It's cool to see the first actual Marvel crossover finally being announced. On the one hand it feels like it's been ages since they took over from Dark Horse, but on the other hand it feels oddly soon to get this announcement given that we only just got the news about the second Predator omnibus.

Either way it's the one that makes the most sense as far as Predator crossovers are concerned, so fingers crossed it lives up to its potential! Next up on the "Marvel vs Predator" bingo card: the Punisher.

I like the concept. Weird that Predator was the first Marvel crossover but I'm for it.

I'll read it, mostly to see where this goes...

Although we know for sure Predator is going to lose, I mean there's no way Marvel would ever kill off a flagship character at the hands of a Predator.

Course, we know Predators have killed superhumans before...

[Cough]AGENTS OF LAW![/COUGH]

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 08, 2023, 05:20:27 PMAlthough we know for sure Predator is going to lose, I mean there's no way Marvel would ever kill off a flagship character at the hands of a Predator.

What do you mean, it's a slow week if a comic company isn't killing off at least three of their flagship characters while simultaneously announcing plans to resurrect them the following month!

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 08, 2023, 05:42:09 PMWhat do you mean, it's a slow week if a comic company isn't killing off at least three of their flagship characters while simultaneously announcing plans to resurrect them the following month!

I'm not going to make any illusions here. As much as I want Predator to win, and I like the Predator a helluva whole lot more than Wolverine, we know Predators usually job in crossovers.

There's only two instances where they've won. And one victory was against a teenager who's been trapped in Riverdale since the 1940s.

Hard pass
Won't pay for anything with Greg Land's name attached to it.
And the writer from Aliens: Aftermath?!? Lmfao no thanks! 😂

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 08, 2023, 04:23:25 PMOh no I just saw that Greg Land is one of the artists. Hope he isn't tracing here... :-\

The idea of this having multiple artists is interesting, I wonder if maybe the art style is going to shift as it moves from one era to the next?

If the art style shifts around, it runs the risk of becoming a visually jarring experience like Dark Horse's Aliens: Havoc was... that was one of my least favorite comics by dark horse for that specific reason; too many artists and artistic changes from one panel to the next.

Quote from: Engineer on Jun 08, 2023, 05:57:35 PMWon't pay for anything with Greg Land's name attached to it.

Should've got Sal.

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Quote from: Engineer on Jun 08, 2023, 05:57:35 PMWon't pay for anything with Greg Land's name attached to it.

Should've got Sal.

Larocca?? Hell nah! Lol wouldn't pay for anything he's on either lol

Quote from: Engineer on Jun 08, 2023, 06:01:08 PM

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 08, 2023, 04:23:25 PMOh no I just saw that Greg Land is one of the artists. Hope he isn't tracing here... :-\

The idea of this having multiple artists is interesting, I wonder if maybe the art style is going to shift as it moves from one era to the next?

If the art style shifts around, it runs the risk of becoming a visually jarring experience like Dark Horse's Aliens: Havoc was... that was one of my least favorite comics by dark horse for that specific reason; too many artists and artistic changes from one panel to the next.

Can't speak to that one specifically as I haven't read Havoc, but I've read plenty of comics that have used different shifting styles/artists in intetesting ways, so I wouldn't write it off on that basis.

I would, however, write off Greg Land's contribution on the basis of it being "art" from Greg Land.

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Quote from: Engineer on Jun 08, 2023, 06:01:08 PM

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 08, 2023, 04:23:25 PMOh no I just saw that Greg Land is one of the artists. Hope he isn't tracing here... :-\

The idea of this having multiple artists is interesting, I wonder if maybe the art style is going to shift as it moves from one era to the next?

If the art style shifts around, it runs the risk of becoming a visually jarring experience like Dark Horse's Aliens: Havoc was... that was one of my least favorite comics by dark horse for that specific reason; too many artists and artistic changes from one panel to the next.

Can't speak to that one specifically, but I've read plenty of comics that have used different shifting styles/artists in intetesting ways, so I wouldn't write it off on that basis.

I would, however, write off Greg Land "art" on the basis of it being "art" from Greg Land.

Im not writing it off yet for having multiple artists; just mentioning how it could become detrimental to the series if they aren't careful about it... that being said, some people liked Havoc...

But yea, Greg Land is a huge red flag! And an absolute deal-breaker for me...

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 08, 2023, 03:15:00 PMObviously this won't be canon to the Predator movies, but I wonder if this is going to be considered Marvel canon?

Probably not even Earth-616 canon, but it likely IS canon in the grander Marvel Multiverse.

Hyped for this crossover!

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Quote from: Engineer on Jun 08, 2023, 06:01:08 PM

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 08, 2023, 04:23:25 PMOh no I just saw that Greg Land is one of the artists. Hope he isn't tracing here... :-\

The idea of this having multiple artists is interesting, I wonder if maybe the art style is going to shift as it moves from one era to the next?

If the art style shifts around, it runs the risk of becoming a visually jarring experience like Dark Horse's Aliens: Havoc was... that was one of my least favorite comics by dark horse for that specific reason; too many artists and artistic changes from one panel to the next.

Can't speak to that one specifically, but I've read plenty of comics that have used different shifting styles/artists in intetesting ways, so I wouldn't write it off on that basis.

I would, however, write off Greg Land "art" on the basis of it being "art" from Greg Land.

Im not writing it off yet for having multiple artists; just mentioning how it could become detrimental to the series if they aren't careful about it... that being said, some people liked Havoc...

But yea, Greg Land is a huge red flag! And an absolute deal-breaker for me...

Havoc was messy because it changed artists on every page which was extremely jarring. I suspect this will be an artist per era and that each era will probably consist of a full issue as there are 4 artists mentioned and it's going to be 4 issues long.

Four artists mentioned by name so far, but with an "and many more" following that.

Quote from: Xiggz456 on Jun 08, 2023, 07:37:59 PMHyped for this crossover!

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Quote from: Engineer on Jun 08, 2023, 06:51:35 PM

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Quote from: Engineer on Jun 08, 2023, 06:01:08 PM

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 08, 2023, 04:23:25 PMOh no I just saw that Greg Land is one of the artists. Hope he isn't tracing here... :-\

The idea of this having multiple artists is interesting, I wonder if maybe the art style is going to shift as it moves from one era to the next?

If the art style shifts around, it runs the risk of becoming a visually jarring experience like Dark Horse's Aliens: Havoc was... that was one of my least favorite comics by dark horse for that specific reason; too many artists and artistic changes from one panel to the next.

Can't speak to that one specifically, but I've read plenty of comics that have used different shifting styles/artists in intetesting ways, so I wouldn't write it off on that basis.

I would, however, write off Greg Land "art" on the basis of it being "art" from Greg Land.

Im not writing it off yet for having multiple artists; just mentioning how it could become detrimental to the series if they aren't careful about it... that being said, some people liked Havoc...

But yea, Greg Land is a huge red flag! And an absolute deal-breaker for me...

Havoc was messy because it changed artists on every page which was extremely jarring. I suspect this will be an artist per era and that each era will probably consist of a full issue as there are 4 artists mentioned and it's going to be 4 issues long.

Yea that's exactly what I didn't like about havoc. Too many artists and the rapid change in artistic styles was jarring. They run the risk of the same thing here if they aren't careful and as nightmare asylum pointed out, there's "many more" artists apparently, not just 4.

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Anyone wanna take any bets that with Benjamin Percy writing, we'll get a glowing white predator with liquid nitrogen blood?

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 08, 2023, 07:58:53 PMFour artists mentioned by name so far, but with an "and many more" following that.

Strictly speculating, but my guess is the "many more" artists is in reference to a slew of variant covers. We shall see though!

I don't see them kill Wolverine. We know any Marvel characters really don't stay dead. Hell even the recent "death" of Ms Marvel will just be retconned sometime in the future, as it's always status quo to do so.

If anything, I like how it removes the inhibitor of Predator writing "failing a hunt = dishonor, only death will recover it". Have a Predator retreat and come back for more helps build up the Predator's character into it's own individuality instead of being a monster of the week jobber.

Quote from: Xiggz456 on Jun 08, 2023, 10:20:19 PM

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 08, 2023, 07:58:53 PMFour artists mentioned by name so far, but with an "and many more" following that.

Strictly speculating, but my guess is the "many more" artists is in reference to a slew of variant covers. We shall see though!

Could be but we'll see

Stronger characters than the Predator have tried and failed to kill Wolverine. Can a Predator actually seal the deal? Predators are no slouch physically, and have advanced weaponry. But Wolverine....is f**king Wolverine.

And what is the canonicity of this story? Is it taking place in the main 616 universe? Or a different universe?

Quote from: The Shuriken on Jun 09, 2023, 12:41:04 AMAnd what is the canonicity of this story? Is it taking place in the main 616 universe? Or a different universe?

Very much likely a different universe similar to 616 in the Marvel Multiverse.

I don't care what universe it's ultimately set in, I think it's gonna be a fun fight.

Edit-- forgot to share this:

Regardless which universe it's set in... This leaves me one question.

Does this mean that Predators now exist in the Marvel Multiverse now? Does this mean that in someway... we have an AVP Multiverse by technicality where... EVERYTHING can exist? All because it's set by proxy in the Marvel Multiverse?

I think the point of Havoc was that it was supposed to be jarring. From what I remember the changes in style came when the consciousness was jumping into different bodies. It because different perspectives. I can't imagine that that process would have been smooth or pleasant on folk. That was always my reading of Havoc, and it was something I actually really loved about it. It worked in the same way Sam Keith actually works for Inhuman Condition. It's style and method suiting the narrative perfectly.

re: PvW continuity. I do hope it's not the main Marvel universe. We all know the characters inevitably come back to life, but I'd love to see it take place in some other universe where Wolverine could actually be in danger and perhaps die. These crossovers do loose some teeth in that that expectation can make them predictable. It's a reason I quite enjoyed Archie vs. Predator - the Archie characters actually die.

I was never under any misconception Batman would die, but watching the Predator beat the shit out of him and watching Batman adapt sure was satisfying.

I'm keen.

well, I don't think Wolverine is the right opponent for a Predator.
Since the Predators often let themselves be beaten up by normal people (see P2 and Prey), the chances of success against a mutant are rather low. ;D  ;D  ;D

It's likely Wolverine will win but this is doubtful it'll be in continuity.

Marvel does have a history making licensed properties canonical with ROM, Godzilla, micronaughts, Conan, and Transformers. But I don't think this is the place they'll do it since they did that with the mainline book and not a crossover event or storyline. We'd effectively have seen Predators in the marvel universe at large by now if it was mainline continuity. A fight with Wolverine just isn't the place where this would start happening especially when this is something that spans decades and there already being two Predator book launches. We'd have seen them by now and only Star Wars depicted one's armor in the background. Someone in the Predator book would've brought up other aliens like Kree, Skrulls or even Thanos.

What this probably is likely to be is an out of continuity crossover and likely to be the continuity they use if they do any Marvel crossovers in the future. So there's the Marvel universe Predators, and the Marvel comics Predators. With the only real difference is that one can fight super heroes where the other is the Marvel comics run and probably fudging some details as to why a Predator can throw hands with something like the Hulk.

 

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Jun 08, 2023, 11:07:17 PMI don't see them kill Wolverine. We know any Marvel characters really don't stay dead. Hell even the recent "death" of Ms Marvel will just be retconned sometime in the future, as it's always status quo to do so.

If anything, I like how it removes the inhibitor of Predator writing "failing a hunt = dishonor, only death will recover it". Have a Predator retreat and come back for more helps build up the Predator's character into it's own individuality instead of being a monster of the week jobber.

there already setting the resurrection of ms marvel up see this week's x-men comics but it wasn't the death that pissed people off it was how it was done but I digress.  Predator v Wolverine will be pretty fun

I love how once again the Predator used is Jungle Hunter. It's always Jungle Hunter. Every time. Use a different Predator for once!

The face is at least Scar. Looking at it now it looks like the plasmacaster while Jungle Hunter scale is Scar's and mounted directly on the shoulder which is certainly a choice. The chest plating while shaped like Jungle Hunter's is also pulling back like City Hunter's. And there's no visible backpack either so it's not like he's leaning forward with the gun.

I'm pretty sure it's an art flub but it's not like there isn't an abundant amount of references to the way the canon sits on the backpack. Or otherwise mounted to the armor's backplate.

Edit- they sourced the wrist blade from an AVP 2010 promo image with the marine attack a Predator. So the artist is most definitely mashing things together.

So it's finally happened... As long as it stands as "what ifs", why not? And wolverine is the perfect Marvel character for this. And the Predator does lend itself to more crossovers. But I hope that doesn't happen too much with Alien. AVP is the only Alien crossover I love personally.

And counting Land in as one of the great artists that the author mentions made me chuckle. :laugh:

Anticipating the Predator to die, again.

Yeah they're the bad guys.

I will never understand why people are always so upset by this concept.

Quote from: Wweyland on Jun 09, 2023, 09:38:39 PMAnticipating the Predator to die, again.

Yeah, I mean fun to watch, but honestly the Predator stands absolutely no chance.

I'm actually looking forward to Alien vs {Superhero} where the Alien invariably gets someone's super powers.

Alien vs Wolverine, Alien gets Wolvie's healing ability. Wolverine, who obviously survives the bursting, hunts it down.

X-Men Vs Aliens is just asking for some ridiculous fun.

Quote from: SiL on Jun 10, 2023, 12:44:24 AMI'm actually looking forward to Alien vs {Superhero} where the Alien invariably gets someone's super powers.

We actually had that in WildCATS vs Aliens. And THAT'S canon to Stormwatch, WildCats, and the Authority since well... the story was somewhat referenced in a few Authority comics if I remember, and was the reason WHY the Authority team was formed.

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Fire-Eater_Alien

But yeah, it would be awesome to see happen if a Marvel character got infected with a Xenomorph chestburster.

If we are talking about the concept of a dying Predator in the finale of the story, it upsets people, probably due to the fact that for 30+ years of the franchise's existence, people are already a little tired of it. Why not make an unusual creative story with a Predator protagonist (such, for example, was in the anthology "If It Bleeds")? Predators are an intelligent alien race, after all. I remember the 2008 movie Outlander, where an alien fell to earth in the Viking age and hunted another alien creature (this, if I remember correctly, was a kind of free adaptation of the Beowulf story) - why not do something similar?
Yes, maybe I'm too skeptical about the current Marvel comics on Alien and Predator, but... This crossover with Wolverine was, well, super obvious even at the stage of the announcement of the publisher's rights to the characters. Maybe it will turn out to be a good story, but I still hope for something more unusual and bold than an obvious and safe crossover for sales.

Because Predator is the bad guy.

It's not hard.

I think a Predator winning for once would be a interesting and welcome change. They're smart, and adaptable creatures. Sometimes the bad guy wins. Wouldn't bother me none.

Why can't a bad guy be the protagonist? In the games, we played for the Predators and there were no problems. Ahab wasn't such a bad guy. Dachande turned out to be even good to some extent. And each poacher can have his own huntsman-activist, if you specifically focus on the topic of hunting. We all understand perfectly well that being a villain is the basic concept of a Predator. But why not play around with the deconstruction of this concept?

Quote from: The Shuriken on Jun 10, 2023, 11:42:56 AMI think a Predator winning for once would be a interesting and welcome change. They're smart, and adaptable creatures. Sometimes the bad guy wins. Wouldn't bother me none.

Logan will win though, because of the bloody healing factor, and his feral senses probably making cloaking somewhat unreliable for the Predator.
Unless he gets melted or they kiss and make up.

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/17cac04d84b1e1d6d770c82fd15b7e87/tumblr_mzymiqrRpJ1s4ddyqo1_400.gif)

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 10, 2023, 12:59:59 PMLogan will win though, because of the bloody healing factor, and his feral senses probably making cloaking somewhat unreliable for the Predator.
Unless he gets melted or they kiss and make up.

Correct.

Best thing the crabator can do is keep its distance and use its plasma caster, but everyone knows they're going to turn this into a close-quarters snikt fest.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 09, 2023, 08:11:27 AMre: PvW continuity. I do hope it's not the main Marvel universe. We all know the characters inevitably come back to life, but I'd love to see it take place in some other universe where Wolverine could actually be in danger and perhaps die. These crossovers do loose some teeth in that that expectation can make them predictable. It's a reason I quite enjoyed Archie vs. Predator - the Archie characters actually die.

I kind of agree with this in a lot of ways. I don't think this will be set in the 616 continuity but rather it's own universe which has a similar feel to 616 but none the less, I would like to see a story where Wolverine could actually be in danger and has the risk of actually dying...

Adamantium skeleton and healing factor be damned.

For all we know, though this is highly unlikely, Predator technology might have something which could potentially render the healing factor either slowed down to a crawl, or even so much have something which could cut through Adamantium. Emphasis on highly unlikely though.

And there have been only two crossovers where the Predators have killed the titular characters...

1) Law - Agents of Law
2) Archie Andrews - Archie Comics

Quote from: The Shuriken on Jun 10, 2023, 11:42:56 AMI think a Predator winning for once would be a interesting and welcome change. They're smart, and adaptable creatures. Sometimes the bad guy wins. Wouldn't bother me none.

It would be a nice change of pace, but more often than not... Predators usually tend to job in crossovers because they're the designated "bad guy". And that's something I would like to see tossed out the window but... I don't expect it to happen. At all.

And besides... some of us like the Predator more than Wolverine, for those who can't understand why some of us want the Predator to win. I like the Predator a hell of a whole lot more than Wolverine, but I'm gonna be real and go into this knowing the winner's already been decided, and it's Wolverine.

It would be a nice idea for both of them to just limp away from this bloodfeud. Like it ends in a stalemate where they really just can't get the drop on each other because the Predator is too skilled for receiving the final death blow and Wolverine just can't die. Have this individual grown into it's own unique character in other stories where this individual was the one to fight Wolverine to a stand still and live to tell the tale about it. It would be one hell of a origin story for this particular Predator to start off in it's own stories or guest stars in other stories.

Quote from: Still Collating... on Jun 09, 2023, 06:55:32 PMSo it's finally happened... As long as it stands as "what ifs", why not? And wolverine is the perfect Marvel character for this. And the Predator does lend itself to more crossovers. But I hope that doesn't happen too much with Alien. AVP is the only Alien crossover I love personally.

And counting Land in as one of the great artists that the author mentions made me chuckle. :laugh:

Predator vs Punisher could be really cool.

Hell, Predator vs Spider-man could be cool as a real "underdog" story, even better if Kraven the Hunter shows up and turns it into a three-way battle.

Something I want out of these crossovers is that the Alien and the Predator being shown as a credible threat to Marvel's heroes. DC treated the Alien and Predator with some level of respect, especially when it came to the Batman crossovers-- and we know that a Predator can kill Batman (without prep and plot armor) in a way that makes the beating which Bane gave Batman look quite tame by comparison.

A lot of Marvel fans, especially Wolverine fans, tend to throw the Predator under the bus and often cite that Wolverine would win... EASILY. I  hope that this comic changes that mindset for Wolverine fans, and make them respect the Predator as an opponent and character.

That's all I want for our favorite monsters. Respect from Marvel's writers and the Marvel fans.

I think Predator vs Punisher would be a way better match up.

Logan vs Predator net will be interesting to see.

There are lots of ways to end the story without the Predator dying, but he's never going to "win" and walk off with Logan's skull.

But considering how violently they murder their characters in some stories, I don't see why we couldn't get a situation with an Alien or Predator winning.

Getting upset if it doesn't happen, though, is just kind of dumb. They're villains fighting heroes. I like the Alien more than any of them and I'd more likely  get annoyed if they won, because bad guys winning is usually a lame gotcha ending.

I wasn't looking forward to these because the marvel heroes will just win, but as a certified Wolverine dickrider I'm all for this. The best thing to do would make these stories non canon and have the monsters wipe out some big mame heroes.

Quote from: SiL on Jun 10, 2023, 10:47:39 PMLogan vs Predator net will be interesting to see.

There are lots of ways to end the story without the Predator dying, but he's never going to "win" and walk off with Logan's skull.

Like I said, I'm gonna be real here in that the winner's already been decided. We know Wolverine's going to win because this is a Marvel book and Marvel doesn't really kill off their characters unless it serves a story-- i.e. Marvel Zombies, Days of Future Past, Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe.

As for a Predator not dying but not "winning" and walking off with Wolverine's skull... Weeeeeeeell... I could think of ways for that to happen, especially with we're going off old AVP/Dark Horse canon (Pre-Fire and Stone anyways) BUT that's moot since Marvel's going off their own canon. Marvel would have to think of a way for that to happen but... again, I'mma be real here, they're not going to do that.

However... It would be neat if they gave a little nod to this panel from Deadliest of the Species. Also worth of note, DotS was written by famed X-Men writer, Chris Claremont. So... this was neat to see. I know, I know, an Easter Egg-- that doesn't count, blah, blah, blah.

But still, it'd be neat if this was nodded to in the comic with say... Wolverine getting his hand chopped off.

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Quote from: SiL on Jun 10, 2023, 10:47:39 PMBut considering how violently they murder their characters in some stories, I don't see why we couldn't get a situation with an Alien or Predator winning.

Getting upset if it doesn't happen, though, is just kind of dumb. They're villains fighting heroes. I like the Alien more than any of them and I'd more likely  get annoyed if they won, because bad guys winning is usually a lame gotcha ending.

I would love to see Wolverine getting killed a Predator, I would love to see a Predator slaughter Spider-Man, I would enjoy seeing the Xenomorphs turning the X-Men or the Avengers into hosts. But the chances of that happening in a Marvel book is maybe... 0.10% of actually happening.

Getting upset? I wouldn't say that, but more like a sigh and roll of the eyes and then just moving on with my day. I mean when the winner is already decided, it kind of takes the anticipation away and you're just in it to see the fight-- which is why I wanna read this and see how they handle it, but I know Logan is gonna win. He's the more popular character, he's a Marvel character. They're not gonna kill him unless it serves a story and then bring him back.

I personally wouldn't get annoyed if either an Alien or Predator would beat a popular DC or Marvel hero, and I don't think it's lame-- in my opinion it would be refreshing. If anything, I would be elated because I loved these creatures a lot and I think a big win would get them some major respect points in Debate communities (which is something I'm a part of). So agree to disagree.

Also, if ANYONE is interested in seeing a Predator fighting a superhuman enemy, and WINNING, might I suggest Agents of Law #6 from Dark Horse? You can read it here on my Tumblr!

https://thelastraigeki.tumblr.com/post/690355026459230208/agents-of-law6

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 10, 2023, 11:51:09 PMDotS was written by famed X-Men writer, Chris Claremont.

The zenith of his illustrious career, no doubt.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 10, 2023, 11:55:28 PMThe zenith of his illustrious career, no doubt.

No harm in throwing some useless trivia for fun, unless that's a crime now?

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 10, 2023, 11:59:00 PM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 10, 2023, 11:55:28 PMThe zenith of his illustrious career, no doubt.

No harm in throwing some useless trivia for fun, unless that's a crime now?

On the contrary, I fully support and endorse the idea.

Quote from: SiL on Jun 10, 2023, 10:47:39 PMLogan vs Predator net will be interesting to see.

There are lots of ways to end the story without the Predator dying, but he's never going to "win" and walk off with Logan's skull.

But considering how violently they murder their characters in some stories, I don't see why we couldn't get a situation with an Alien or Predator winning.

Getting upset if it doesn't happen, though, is just kind of dumb. They're villains fighting heroes. I like the Alien more than any of them and I'd more likely  get annoyed if they won, because bad guys winning is usually a lame gotcha ending.

What if they flipped the script and did some "Aliens/Predator vs [Marvel villain]" stories?

Great way for a Predator to win.

The Alien is a parasitic space rapist, why would I want to see that win? I don't find anything particularly entertaining or interesting about the idea of indiscriminate rape monsters succeeding.

We constantly see the Predator "win" every time it gets a kill. This is always such a weird argument to me. They're winners until they're losers by being defeated.

Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Jun 11, 2023, 04:05:05 PMWe constantly see the Predator "win" every time it gets a kill. This is always such a weird argument to me. They're winners until they're losers by being defeated.

I think they mean the completion of the hunt, start from finish.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 10, 2023, 10:41:43 PMSomething I want out of these crossovers is that the Alien and the Predator being shown as a credible threat to Marvel's heroes. DC treated the Alien and Predator with some level of respect, especially when it came to the Batman crossovers-- and we know that a Predator can kill Batman (without prep and plot armor) in a way that makes the beating which Bane gave Batman look quite tame by comparison.

A lot of Marvel fans, especially Wolverine fans, tend to throw the Predator under the bus and often cite that Wolverine would win... EASILY. I  hope that this comic changes that mindset for Wolverine fans, and make them respect the Predator as an opponent and character.

That's all I want for our favorite monsters. Respect from Marvel's writers and the Marvel fans.

That my fear tbh.

I kinda like the idea of different preds throughout history goong against wolverine and each time wolverine wins a differe t pred comes back with new tactics etc and Id love, absolutely love that in the end the pred wins. But this is Marvel. Havent enjoyed a comic from them in probally last 5 years plus and that includes all the Alien and Pred ones they have done.

Quote from: davewesker on Jun 11, 2023, 09:56:11 PMThat my fear tbh.

I kinda like the idea of different preds throughout history goong against wolverine and each time wolverine wins a differe t pred comes back with new tactics etc and Id love, absolutely love that in the end the pred wins. But this is Marvel. Havent enjoyed a comic from them in probally last 5 years plus and that includes all the Alien and Pred ones they have done.

I'm a bit confused... From how I interpreted it, you seem to be agreeing with what I said in that particular post. At least, that's what I got from but...

Having multiple Predators go after Wolverine in each different encounter? I dunno, I think that would further dampen the Predators reputation as opponents. That would just give Wolverine fans more gasoline to fuel their arguments in that the Predators are not really any threat to Logan.

I rather one Predator go after Logan, learning from each encounter, getting better and deadlier to make Logan work and maybe... JUST maybe.. be an ACTUAL and CREDIBLE threat who could make Logan worry.

But hey... a Predator fan can dream.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 12, 2023, 02:00:42 AM

Quote from: davewesker on Jun 11, 2023, 09:56:11 PMThat my fear tbh.

I kinda like the idea of different preds throughout history goong against wolverine and each time wolverine wins a differe t pred comes back with new tactics etc and Id love, absolutely love that in the end the pred wins. But this is Marvel. Havent enjoyed a comic from them in probally last 5 years plus and that includes all the Alien and Pred ones they have done.

I'm a bit confused... From how I interpreted it, you seem to be agreeing with what I said in that particular post. At least, that's what I got from but...

Having multiple Predators go after Wolverine in each different encounter? I dunno, I think that would further dampen the Predators reputation as opponents. That would just give Wolverine fans more gasoline to fuel their arguments in that the Predators are not really any threat to Logan.

I rather one Predator go after Logan, learning from each encounter, getting better and deadlier to make Logan work and maybe... JUST maybe.. be an ACTUAL and CREDIBLE threat who could make Logan worry.

But hey... a Predator fan can dream.

You know what that makes more sense. But concidering how Marvel have handled Pred (only read the first run) i can see then having wolverine killing then off left and right. Now if they actually learnt from each encounter that would make sense but this is Marvel

Yeah considering how many Theta killed, this will have Logan invading Yautja Prime and killing them all.

Some famous Marvel Comics heroes (Thor, Hulk, Iron Man) would annihilate an army of Predators, let alone a single Predator. Wolverine—at the time I stopped reading Marvel—could not die, had indestructible skeleton and was better at hand-to-hand combat than a Predator. He would win easily, but I don't know if things have changed, I heard there was a death of logan storyline and old-man logan, so.. who knows.

To make things interesting they should use less powerful heroes.
A Daredevil encounter with a Predator in the city would give a Predator-2 vibe. His powers would even allow him to become aware of the exploding device used by the pred.
I would like a Captain America kind of Predators story where he gets kidnapped and transported to a hunting reserve planet along with other expert fighters. After the first couple of deaths, he would take the lead and make sure that no one else dies on his watch.
Shadowcat(Kitty Pride) on holiday in the wilderness would make a good story for those who appreciated Prey but I am not one of them.

Should have a series where The Predators just slaughter a load of characters Marvel cant be bothered with anymore.

Well thats what i'd see Marvel doing at some point anyway. Then a BIG hero takes The Predator down

A book where Predator wins could work provided it's a character they want to use for later. But being the villain, no. Wolverine is likely to win based on that alone. Assuming the Predator kills Wolverine he's probably kicking the bucket shortly thereafter.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 12, 2023, 02:00:42 AMI rather one Predator go after Logan, learning from each encounter, getting better and deadlier to make Logan work and maybe... JUST maybe.. be an ACTUAL and CREDIBLE threat who could make Logan worry.

But hey... a Predator fan can dream.

That's what the synopsis said anyway, we do have only one Predator having beef with Logan for the last decades.

Quote from: Wweyland on Jun 12, 2023, 08:13:23 AMYeah considering how many Theta killed, this will have Logan invading Yautja Prime and killing them all.

That's why I don't read Marvel's Predator series.

Logan should be fastball special'd so hard he goes faster than light and annihilates the entire Predator race by exploding their planet, for the lulz.

If Marvel really wanted to have a Predator Hunter in their series, they should have just gotten a series based around Dutch 2025 and his hunt after Cleopatra. Theta's storyline about revenge is a nice concept but just done poorly.

I don't even want Dutch to return...
I hated the fact that they brought him back in the game recently...

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Jun 17, 2023, 03:24:14 AMIf Marvel really wanted to have a Predator Hunter in their series, they should have just gotten a series based around Dutch 2025 and his hunt after Cleopatra. Theta's storyline about revenge is a nice concept but just done poorly.

Agreed. There's a lot of lore that could have been explored more in Hunting Grounds. I do like the idea of Theta's story, they just jumped to part 2 of the story. They wanted Machiko without earning her.

Still no news of the cancelled Predator first draft comics? :(

Quote from: Ahsoka on Jun 21, 2023, 12:02:39 PMStill no news of the cancelled Predator first draft comics? :(

You're talking about the original screenplay series? There was news on that ages ago; it was cancelled...

Predator vs Wolverine Alternate covers and solicitations have been released!

https://www.cbr.com/marvel-comics-september-2023-solicitations/

Yawn

Lol

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This one's weird and I kinda like it.

The other 2 are kinda okay, but I actually really like that one! Giving me Mesoamerican vibes. Love it.

The alternating reflections in their respective blades is a pretty classic concept, I dig it. AvP Duel vibes.

I was interested until I saw creative team. Benjamin Percy is one of the worst Writers Marvel currently employs, and Greg Land is controversial artist with his plagiarism, wchich Alien fans already experienced. Yeah, it doesn't look good for the series.

League of Comic Geeks has a synopsis of the second issue.

Looks like the Predator's also going to go up against Maverick and Sabertooth as well.

https://leagueofcomicgeeks.com/comic/6064023/predator-vs-wolverine-2

The Predator race in general is getting a huge power buff if one of them is able to fight against these three at once. This is crazy and making me more impatient for the release date to come faster.

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Jul 29, 2023, 03:51:52 AMThe Predator race in general is getting a huge power buff if one of them is able to fight against these three at once. This is crazy and making me more impatient for the release date to come faster.

Hopefully, we'll see the Predator take on Sabertooth... and win against him.

Not necessarily kill him, but just take him down hard enough to make him a credible threat to Logan.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 30, 2023, 06:16:17 PM

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Jul 29, 2023, 03:51:52 AMThe Predator race in general is getting a huge power buff if one of them is able to fight against these three at once. This is crazy and making me more impatient for the release date to come faster.

Hopefully, we'll see the Predator take on Sabertooth... and win against him.

Not necessarily kill him, but just take him down hard enough to make him a credible threat to Logan.

I looked up Maverick and he ain't no slouch either if going by the wiki is anything to be considered. Not only he got Kinetic Absorption and a slightly powerful Regenerative Healing Factor but his gear also has Vibranium and Adamantium properties.

I recall how Dark Horse comics always hinted and even had a few crossovers where they fought superhumans before, but seeing them going against real no story based nerfed superhumans, like how Superman was purposely depowered in Predator vs Superman for the story's sake, is going to be interesting.

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Aug 02, 2023, 03:59:58 PMI looked up Maverick and he ain't no slouch either if going by the wiki is anything to be considered. Not only he got Kinetic Absorption and a slightly powerful Regenerative Healing Factor but his gear also has Vibranium and Adamantium properties.

I recall how Dark Horse comics always hinted and even had a few crossovers where they fought superhumans before, but seeing them going against real no story based nerfed superhumans, like how Superman was purposely depowered in Predator vs Superman for the story's sake, is going to be interesting.

But even fighting a nerfed Superman is still nothing to laugh at. I mean, he was still able to fire off his heat vision, he was still able to punch a solid rock temple wall to make the ceiling collapse, even leg press a granite pillar which was somewhere in the double digits in terms of tons.

But Predators fighting against superhumans is nothing new, if we go by the Dark Horse comics. Hell, there's even a one-sided CANONICAL INSTANCE of a Predator killing a superhuman-- Agents of Law #6. The final and CANONICAL ending to the comic has a Predator killing the titular character of Law, who was able to withstand energy blasts powerful enough to level an entire upper floor of a skyscraper, and has some degree of superhuman strength and high pain threshold. You can read that comic here:

https://thelastraigeki.tumblr.com/post/690355026459230208/agents-of-law6

But I am curious to see how Marvel will treat this crossover, if they give the Predator the respect he deserves and make him a serious, and credible threat against not just Logan, but Sabertooth and Maverick.. or if they will make him job against their characters.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 02, 2023, 08:00:27 PMBut even fighting a nerfed Superman is still nothing to laugh at. I mean, he was still able to fire off his heat vision, he was still able to punch a solid rock temple wall to make the ceiling collapse, even leg press a granite pillar which was somewhere in the double digits in terms of tons.

Which is all true. I'm just thinking of previous conversations I had with other people, which saw the comic as a fun but non-canon event. Slightly understand why as if a Predator can go toe to toe with half depowered Superman, then it makes them look both weak if the Predator keeps jobbing to regular humans.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 02, 2023, 08:00:27 PMBut Predators fighting against superhumans is nothing new, if we go by the Dark Horse comics. Hell, there's even a one-sided CANONICAL INSTANCE of a Predator killing a superhuman-- Agents of Law #6. The final and CANONICAL ending to the comic has a Predator killing the titular character of Law, who was able to withstand energy blasts powerful enough to level an entire upper floor of a skyscraper, and has some degree of superhuman strength and high pain threshold. You can read that comic here:

https://thelastraigeki.tumblr.com/post/690355026459230208/agents-of-law6

Something I'm also going to bring up in future conversations with others. Seems like not many are aware of the comic run and I don't blame them as I myself never heard of this before and I try to keep up with the lore. Thanks for the tip!

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 02, 2023, 08:00:27 PMBut I am curious to see how Marvel will treat this crossover, if they give the Predator the respect he deserves and make him a serious, and credible threat against not just Logan, but Sabertooth and Maverick.. or if they will make him job against their characters.

Since this individual survives the encounter and beefs with Logan for decades, it seems like he'll give the team some hell. I just hope the fight is well executed but with Marvel these days, I just can't tell anymore.

Benjamin Percy does an interview with Comic Book Resources and even shares a few preview pages from Predator vs Wolverine!

https://www.cbr.com/predator-vs-wolverine-benjamin-percy-interview/

https://x.com/bdisgusting/status/1692229344582643880?s=46&t=_UkEryu2c2UmLOQcQ5K4SA

Can't tell what Land traced the mask on but the Predator is definitely a Hiya Jungle Hunter in the face. Maybe a Neca Predator in one of those pages but I suspect maybe a hot toys. Between Elder and Snake.

I don't think he got to trace the mask this time, as it appears to be a specific design for the series.

It looks like a unique mask, which great! I fear another copy paste JH design. Funny that he got no chest armor going on, that's real ballsy of that Predator.

Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 17, 2023, 05:55:33 PMhttps://x.com/bdisgusting/status/1692229344582643880?s=46&t=_UkEryu2c2UmLOQcQ5K4SA

I'm still really intrigued with the story, but the colouring on the Predator is very dull in these sample pages and the head proportions looks really weird in this page. :/

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Also interesting to hear we've got multiple Predators in this one too.

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I'm still really intrigued with the story, but the colouring on the Predator is very dull in these sample pages and the head proportions looks really weird in this page. :/

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Also interesting to hear we've got multiple Predators in this one too.

That head looks like it might be traced to me... it looks kinda like a McFarlane or NECA Predator expression.

Head's definitely traced

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Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 17, 2023, 05:55:33 PMhttps://x.com/bdisgusting/status/1692229344582643880?s=46&t=_UkEryu2c2UmLOQcQ5K4SA

I'm still really intrigued with the story, but the colouring on the Predator is very dull in these sample pages and the head proportions looks really weird in this page. :/

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Also interesting to hear we've got multiple Predators in this one too.

Slim chest and big head, yeah the design is trying to go for that young Predator look which is in par with the interview. I can see some of CH in him. I also just think the head shouldn't be that big tho, silly bobble lookin head. Some might say that is just Predator biology but even then it's still ridiculously big. Idk, what yall think?

I wonder if artists ever pointed out to make unique skin colors for the Predator and were shot down, or simply never thought about the idea.

Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Aug 21, 2023, 08:00:30 PMHead's definitely traced

I'm surprised Aaron didn't recognise it instantly frankly, I did.

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Ah! I have mine with the mask on.

To be fair, that's one of the newer pieces of merch

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Yeah, that's most likely the Mezco Predator from an angle or slight modification.

Can't get my image to post on mobile, so here's a link of another shot: https://imgur.io/p9v6DY0

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Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 17, 2023, 05:55:33 PMhttps://x.com/bdisgusting/status/1692229344582643880?s=46&t=_UkEryu2c2UmLOQcQ5K4SA

I'm still really intrigued with the story, but the colouring on the Predator is very dull in these sample pages and the head proportions looks really weird in this page. :/

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Also interesting to hear we've got multiple Predators in this one too.

That looks like the Greg Land section.

So the Predators are fighting the bone version of Wolverine, which might give them a better chance. But they will all die anyway...
I wonder if Logan will be given a trophy at the end by an Elder, which is becoming a bit of a cliche honestly.

Quote from: Wweyland on Aug 23, 2023, 07:21:55 AMSo the Predators are fighting the bone version of Wolverine, which might give them a better chance. But they will all die anyway...
I wonder if Logan will be given a trophy at the end by an Elder, which is becoming a bit of a cliche honestly.

Not all. Its a story between one individual Pred vs Wolverine throughout decades.

I would like to see more self-destruct endings, especially since Wolverine can just heal back from that explosion.

PvW Issue #1 preview available - https://www.previewsworld.com/Catalog/JUL230570

Some more preview pages came out over the weekend. They look good!

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Issue #1 is dropping today. Seen some good early impressions from comic book store folk who have read through it.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 18, 2023, 07:45:19 AMSome more preview pages came out over the weekend. They look good!

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The art looks good! Waiting for a chance to get mine. Couldn't make it as my local store closed so I guess tomorrow.

Just read issue 1 and I gotta say it was very good. Did both the Predator and Wolverine justice and treated both with respect. Neither one was nerfed. Really like the story so far and the art is good. It seems like it takes place in mainstream X-Men 616 universe too, not just an Elseworlds or What If, which is a surprise. I was expecting it to take place in a world where Wolverine was the only sup[er powered mutant.

This is what Marvel should have lead with instead of the main Predator Series, because they were treated as a joke in their own book. Here they are shown respect.

I might need context for this but I do know Hicks wouldn't like a line here:

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Logan referred to the Predator as Yautja. Makes me wonder how did he figure that out here? 

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Maybe they will reveal this in later issues but I couldn't help but feel jarred after reading that.

Predator versus Wolverine was way better than it had any right to be. I remember being so excited for Marvel's Predator and then dropping it after issue 1 because I didn't like the direction they took it. I was instantly hooked reading this comic. I think people who liked Prey will really enjoy the way this story begins. I can't shake this feeling that the mask of the predator is something from hunting grounds but I like the design.

I really enjoyed that! That was very well handled in terms of the combat. Lorocca's artwork didn't offend me. It was actually pretty descent. I did think Ken Lashley's present day was much better though. I'm really looking forward to the next one.

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Quote from: Crew Expendable on Sep 22, 2023, 03:16:17 AMI can't shake this feeling that the mask of the predator is something from hunting grounds but I like the design.

I think you're right. I can't recall the name off-hand but I think it's one of the early masks they had in the game. I like this, I've always enjoyed them looking to the other EU for mask designs. Same as with Life and Death when they used a lot of the NECA/Kenner redesigned masks.

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Quote from: Mr.Turok on Sep 22, 2023, 02:24:05 AMI might need context for this but I do know Hicks wouldn't like a line here:

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Logan referred to the Predator as Yautja. Makes me wonder how did he figure that out here? 

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Maybe they will reveal this in later issues but I couldn't help but feel jarred after reading that.

Yeah, I cringed a little bit. I've accepted that it's just what the Predators are now, but my problem with it lately comes from the writers using it not seeming to know it's supposed to be how they refer to themselves so humans using it should imply there's been some level of communication between the two. But it's likely Ben Percy just not knowing it's supposed to be their own name for themselves.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 22, 2023, 11:35:10 AMI really enjoyed that! That was very well handled in terms of the combat. Lorocca's artwork didn't offend me. It was actually pretty descent. I did think Ken Lashley's present day was much better though. I'm really looking forward to the next one.

Dude. It's Greg Land. Not Lorocca. It was not as bad as usual but that prob to do with the natural environment.  The Predator looked a bit poo.  I really like Ken's present day at the beginning.

Actually really good read over all though.

Ahhhh. My bad. I confused my bad artists.  :laugh:

Quote from: shadowedge on Sep 22, 2023, 12:45:29 AMJust read issue 1 and I gotta say it was very good. Did both the Predator and Wolverine justice and treated both with respect. Neither one was nerfed. Really like the story so far and the art is good. It seems like it takes place in mainstream X-Men 616 universe too, not just an Elseworlds or What If, which is a surprise. I was expecting it to take place in a world where Wolverine was the only super powered mutant.

If anything, I am surprised at how this story can fit in Marvel 616 canon-- I mean, most crossovers aren't considered canon but this somehow feels like it's organic and is a perfect way to fit the Predators in the main Marvel Universe. Can we get a word if this is canon or set in an AU where its' extremely close to 616, or if this is just one of those stories set in 616 but is definitively non-canon?

Just read it and I'm liking this so far, I hope it continues to be this good.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 24, 2023, 07:30:02 PMAhhhh. My bad. I confused my bad artists.  :laugh:

Lol. They are both bad but Land takes the Gold.

Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 25, 2023, 12:45:01 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 24, 2023, 07:30:02 PMAhhhh. My bad. I confused my bad artists.  :laugh:

Lol. They are both bad but Land takes the Gold.

Is Land the guy who traces or is that someone else? There is some guy that worked on a recent Alien title who traced a lot of stuff I believe.

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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 24, 2023, 07:30:02 PMAhhhh. My bad. I confused my bad artists.  :laugh:

Lol. They are both bad but Land takes the Gold.

Is Land the guy who traces or is that someone else? There is some guy that worked on a recent Alien title who traced a lot of stuff I believe.

Land is indeed that guy. The other guy you're thinking of who worked on Alien arcs 1&2 is Salvador Larocca, also a tracer.

How many issues is this?

Quote from: Wweyland on Sep 26, 2023, 01:00:04 PMHow many issues is this?

Four issues in total I believe.
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It's such a great and strong first issue. Pacing, art, the respect on both characters with neither one being nerfed or having plot armor of any kind. I'm super hooked and looking forward to the next issues. I just hope that the other ones don't turn into flukes but the issue is starting out very strongly and promising so I hope the quality goes up from here. I've also seen positive reception from non-Predator fans for the comics too so at least a growing number of folks are showing positive interest.

With this, it's also sad that the first Predator run falls flat even 6ft further down into the dirt in comparison with the first issue of this fight alone. It's still a pity as I still love the concept of a survivor of a Predator encounter seeking vengeance but it just wasn't there as I hoped.

I wonder if the Predator in this crossover has a nickname?

I'm suprised, first issue was pretty ok. I was expecting the worst after Creative team for this was revealed, but it was fun. I guess that you don't need excellent writer to make a simple crossover fight. And that's what it is, it feels like old, good crossover from DK times, but instead of DC Heroes we get one from Marvel. Still some skill is needed to write such a clash with both fighters being well represented and so far it was achieved, so very well, I'm praising Benjamin Percy a little, he did a good job for once. And Greg Land's art is ok I guess, so Long as nobody find some plagiarism in it. If that's the level of whole story, I'd be plaesed.

https://twitter.com/Engineer_LV426/status/1718359810444530156

Hi guys, I'm a new user.  :)
It's not a bad start to an unusual crossover.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 29, 2023, 08:51:03 AMhttps://twitter.com/Engineer_LV426/status/1718359810444530156

At least he is only assigned to draw sections of the series that include young Wolverine.

The sections related to Weapon X drawn by Hayden Sherman are my favorite in the series so far. That variant cover for the second pressing of issue 2 that reuses Sherman's last frame of the issue, with the Predator standing over Wolverine at the Weapon X facility, is so dope.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 29, 2023, 08:51:03 AMhttps://twitter.com/Engineer_LV426/status/1718359810444530156

At least he's not plagiarizing anyone Art, it's just looks photo shopped. Why do they keep hiring this guy, is it because it's cheap?

I liked the second issue. Quality still keeps up and leaves wanting for more. Ending got me intrigued on how the Pred went to great lengths to find Wolverine again. Gotta say on spoilers:

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Wished Sabertooth's fight was a bit longer but guess issue limits is what the writers had to work with. That being said, he taken down a Pred with him as he should so least there is that.

Gotta say that the durability of Marvel's Predators is powerful, as our main Predator was able to survive a temple room's full of explosives going off, taking a huge chunk of the structure along with it.

Leaves me with the ending with how our main Pred (doesn't even have a nick name yet?) breaking into Weapons X like it was nothing and looking over Wolverine's post adamantium experiment.

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The trade will release 04/10/24.

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Nov 14, 2023, 05:45:05 AMI liked the second issue. Quality still keeps up and leaves wanting for more. Ending got me intrigued on how the Pred went to great lengths to find Wolverine again. Gotta say on spoilers:

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Wished Sabertooth's fight was a bit longer but guess issue limits is what the writers had to work with. That being said, he taken down a Pred with him as he should so least there is that.

Gotta say that the durability of Marvel's Predators is powerful, as our main Predator was able to survive a temple room's full of explosives going off, taking a huge chunk of the structure along with it.

Leaves me with the ending with how our main Pred (doesn't even have a nick name yet?) breaking into Weapons X like it was nothing and looking over Wolverine's post adamantium experiment.

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Yeah I really liked the second issue, it's kept my interest and has not disrespected the Predators yet so I'm happy so far. Just read issue 3 and that was awesome! Some cool predator 2 designs make it into the issue. Love it!

Issue #3 is another fine comic, and if the quality keeps on being steady, I can see this being a good one among the likes of Batman vs Predator. The IPs don't step on each others toes or dethrone one in favor of the other. I recognize why the art on each issue is different now, as Wolverine almost leans on the 4th Wall on this that his memory is fuzzy and tries to remember things to the best of his ability, and the different artstyles reflect on said theme of recovering memories.

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So I love how the comic tries to weave into the actual lore of Wolverine in that the reason why there was so many bodies and the facility looking decimated when Wolverine first woken up to find the Weapon X facility all busted down is because how the Predator broke into it to find Wolverine.

There wasn't a fight between Wolverine and the Predator this time around as he kidnapped Wolverine to try extracting both his skull and the metal alloy sheathing his skeleton, which of a kind the Predator never seen before. Rather it became a fight between the US/Canadian Weapon X military that is trying to recover Wolverine back for their projects. Berserker Wolverine only broke out of the ship.

Which ties into Berserker Wolverine's iconic Weapons X helmet is in fact re-engineered Predator tech because of the mask left behind when the Predator took an unconscious Wolverine to his ship. Once again, I love how these small details are big impact attempts to weave the Predator events into actual canon of Wolverine's lore.

Good issue, lets see the fight of Wolverine and Muramasa vs Predator go down!

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Really enjoyed the third issue. I don't know Wolverine lore well enough to appreciate it on the level that Mr.Turok is, but certain elements are obvious enough with things like the helmet that I understand it and enjoy it. The artwork is continuing to be great - really strong now we've dropped Lorocca after that first part of the history.

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Nov 30, 2023, 06:21:01 AMI recognize why the art on each issue is different now, as Wolverine almost leans on the 4th Wall on this that his memory is fuzzy and tries to remember things to the best of his ability, and the different artstyles reflect on said theme of recovering memories.

I really like that read on the differing styles! That's really an insightful take on it!

I'm enjoying the narrative as well. The new Predator's behaviour is really interesting and still feels very Predator. I loved the whole aspect of him

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kidnapping Wolverine like that. I loved the acid too. That was brutal and quite smart. Can Wolverine really recover that well? The artwork depicted it has having burnt away all biologicals aspects of his skull.

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And when he turned up with that replacement mask...my draw...on the floor. Loving seeing that concept used.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 30, 2023, 12:43:40 PMReally enjoyed the third issue. I don't know Wolverine lore well enough to appreciate it on the level that Mr.Turok is, but certain elements are obvious enough with things like the helmet that I understand it and enjoy it. The artwork is continuing to be great - really strong now we've dropped Lorocca after that first part of the history.

I genuinely didn't expect the writing to go forth and weave Predator events into Wolverine's life in a manner that wouldn't disturb his core events like that. Fighting Weapons X Wolverine sure but have it actually influence them such as the

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Weapons X helmet derive from Predator tech

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was such a blindside but very welcome integration of Predator into Marvel's universe. I'm really looking forward to the conclusion of this story.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 30, 2023, 12:43:40 PMI'm enjoying the narrative as well. The new Predator's behaviour is really interesting and still feels very Predator. I loved the whole aspect of him

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kidnapping Wolverine like that. I loved the acid too. That was brutal and quite smart. Can Wolverine really recover that well? The artwork depicted it has having burnt away all biologicals aspects of his skull.

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So from what I recall, Wolverine's regeneration can bring him back as long as his bones are intact due to the bone marrow that allows his regen to kick in. Bone marrow has our DNA after all, so it makes sense that the cells there would be the base to allow him to jump back into the game. Since he has adamantium protecting his bones from complete destruction, he can come back from basically anything long as the adamantium bones remains.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 30, 2023, 12:43:40 PMAnd when he turned up with that replacement mask...my draw...on the floor. Loving seeing that concept used.

I love how Prey influenced this design concept. Predators are beings of both tribalistic and futuristic themes, which haven't been displayed much design wise post-P2 and pre-Prey films. While I like Fugitive's armor design in The Predator, the tribal aspect was nearly gone from that point so seeing this brought back to balance in recent media is a welcoming sight to see.

I especially love the fact that it implies the mask

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is from the bear he killed in the 19th Century with his first knuckle scraping against Wolverine.

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Personally, I felt like issue #3 was... a bit of a let down.

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I really wanted to see the Predator and Wolverine in a slobber knocker, where the Predator pins Wolverine down and then uses the acid on Wolverine to keep him down in only momentarily. But... we didn't get that. Instead, this Predator just more or less... tries to kidnap Logan when he was in a vulnerable state.

I particularly didn't like that. It's just something I really don't see Predators doing, as it's something... really cheap.

And uh... the idea that this Predator, doesn't really seem to rely on skill and more tech... I'm just not feeling that too. If anything, it just shows that Marvel's Predators aren't ones to pick up skills to make them better Hunters, like Dark Horse's Predators did.

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Also... there's an Easter egg in this Predator's trophy wall. Apparently, they've hunted in the Star Wars Galaxy too.

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There's a Rancor skull in there.

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Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 01, 2023, 03:28:50 AMPersonally, I felt like issue #3 was... a bit of a let down.

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I really wanted to see the Predator and Wolverine in a slobber knocker, where the Predator pins Wolverine down and then uses the acid on Wolverine to keep him down in only momentarily. But... we didn't get that. Instead, this Predator just more or less... tries to kidnap Logan when he was in a vulnerable state.

I particularly didn't like that. It's just something I really don't see Predators doing, as it's something... really cheap.

And uh... the idea that this Predator, doesn't really seem to rely on skill and more tech... I'm just not feeling that too. If anything, it just shows that Marvel's Predators aren't ones to pick up skills to make them better Hunters, like Dark Horse's Predators did.

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I never got that feeling of Marvel's Predators being that. Feels like Wolverine is just assuming due to the Predator's obvious high tech gear and fuzzy memory of his previous fights with the Predator.

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My guess with what you mentioned, is that the moment he saw what Wolverine has, it became a slightly higher priority to retrieve such a rare thing. He's been through it against Wolverine before so what he did seems like just a tactic he would have used anyway in a fight so in his eyes, he caught him lacking so he took his shot to get at his opps.

My primary thought tho is that Wolverine would have ended it there and then, being what he was at that point. No way the comic would have progressed if this fight actually was allowed in that point of time. I don't think he would have stood for so long to get his acid spray out.

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Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 01, 2023, 03:28:50 AMAlso... there's an Easter egg in this Predator's trophy wall. Apparently, they've hunted in the Star Wars Galaxy too.

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There's a Rancor skull in there.

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How I wish for a crossover. If this is the case, this Predator would be the most traveled and seasoned Predator we ever seen if he hunted in both Marvel and Star Wars universes. Even if he perishes on this story, an inbetween mini-run of him messing about in Star Wars would be a joy to see.

Not too many pred stories with the main antagonist pred surviving...but maybe

Quote from: happypred on Dec 11, 2023, 11:55:10 AMNot too many pred stories with the main antagonist pred surviving...but maybe

Would be cool if he survives. He got enough character that can be built around having his own mini-series of some kind. Not many Predator characters out there that had a hunting resume including "Facing down Wolverine" over the span of decades.

It's also that I have no idea how would this outcome be possible seeing that the Predator really wants to kill him, and even Wolverine wants to finally settle the score.

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 14, 2023, 06:03:02 PMWould be cool if he survives. He got enough character that can be built around having his own mini-series of some kind. Not many Predator characters out there that had a hunting resume including "Facing down Wolverine" over the span of decades.

It's also that I have no idea how would this outcome be possible seeing that the Predator really wants to kill him, and even Wolverine wants to finally settle the score.

It would be cool to see a Predator win against such a high profile opponent like Wolverine, let alone walk away and survive in one piece.... But I do not see that happening. There's no way Marvel will ever kill off one of their flagship characters, even if this is an alternate continuity against a character like a Predator. The only way I see the Predator winning is if the story calls for it.

That, and I'm pretty sure Marvel doesn't wanna piss of Wolverine's fanbase.

Wolverine fans are RABID.... I say this from seeing this on many Character VS communities. WOOF.

At most, Marvel might have something like...

• Maybe an elder pred "beats" a younger, hot-headed Wolverine. Wolverine is spared or barely escapes, recovers and avenges the loss, maybe his turn to spare the elder, and/or the two then somehow team up against a greater threat.

The Wolverine vs. Pred comic already has elements or echoes of the above.

Wouldn't make commercial sense to have a pred straight up  kill Wolverine, as that type of controversy would likely lose Marvel readers rather than gain them.

There is room however for a developed, recurring predator character to be introduced in the 616 or other more popular Marvel universe. Wouldn't have to be a primary protagonist or antagonist，but more of a semi-mysterious supporting character who shows up sometimes and maybe gets a miniseries or spin-off.

The thing with Preds, in contrast to Aliens, is the former are relatively more human and can be developed more as individual characters.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 14, 2023, 06:21:01 PMThere's no way Marvel will ever kill off one of their flagship characters, even if this is an alternate continuity against a character like a Predator.

Exactly this. Nevermind the fanbase, it's simply that Wolverine is one of Marvel's faces, they would never let Wolverine get a perma death. Sure he can always be brought back to life, as one does in Marvel stories, but would that really count as a real win?

It's also the simple fact that Predators are villain characters. As much as I like to see a reoccurring Predator character, unless they start off in an antihero light, they mostly will die. Kind of hard to have em survive when they are all about getting shit done or die trying.

There is also addressing the idea of telling a Predator centered story and character that people can agree on as many people have thier own vision of Predator character and culture. Can it be done in a way that can satisfy people without stepping on toes? I seen the AVP and Predator anthology novels attempt this with some mixed responses.

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 16, 2023, 03:31:16 AMThere is also addressing the idea of telling a Predator centered story and character that people can agree on as many people have thier own vision of Predator character and culture. Can it be done in a way that can satisfy people without stepping on toes? I seen the AVP and Predator anthology novels attempt this with some mixed responses.

Outside of Predator vs Wolverine, I really... don't think that Marvel would ever go out of their way to give us a Predator protagonist or even treat antagonistic Predators as just more than intergalactic slashers who can be one shot by "Great Value Machiko" aka Theta.

From what I've looked at Marvel's Predator run online, is that the Predators have been reduced to Monster of the Issue, and are nothing more than just hack/slash, rawr... Marvel's Predators compared to Dark Horse are... relatively boring. They have no personalities.

But this one in this comic... He's got a little bit of a personality. Not on the level of like say Broken Tusk, Smiley or even Ahab but... he's got SOMETHING.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 19, 2023, 11:39:19 PMFrom what I've looked at Marvel's Predator run online, is that the Predators have been reduced to Monster of the Issue, and are nothing more than just hack/slash, rawr... Marvel's Predators compared to Dark Horse are... relatively boring. They have no personalities.

I hope within time they can prove to do more than just being monsters to fight.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 19, 2023, 11:39:19 PMBut this one in this comic... He's got a little bit of a personality. Not on the level of like say Broken Tusk, Smiley or even Ahab but... he's got SOMETHING.

I appreciate the hater energy this one gives off. Has that willingness to walk across 6 lane traffic to fight his opps on the other side of type of vib. Looking for that smoke constantly, the beef is on sight, no anticipation or nothing. It's because of this is why it would be cool to see what he was up too during the decade gaps of facing Wolverine. You know he was running on some kind of dark airforce energy. During every hunt he was in, he was thinking about Wolverine while killing some sorry alien warrior or soldier at the same time, nashing his tusks while thinking about how his going to get him and stuff. Comically badass I feel yeah.

Does he even have a nickname? Someone should ask the writers. He deserves one.

Preview for Issue #4 has been released!

http://www.multiversitycomics.com/previews/predator-vs-wolverine-4/

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Issue 3 was another solid read. I love how Logan compares Predator to hunters with modern tech that are killing animals from safe distance, since it's kinda how I also see Predators :) As next issues go I also like more and more this Predator that seems to be motivated more by vengence more than anything else, but he's still excited when he finds out that Wolverine got adamantium and can be even more worthy trophy. Overall it's pretty solid series. It doesn't change my mind about Benjamin Percy being a bad writer, but to give credit where credit is due, he's doing good job with this little crossover.

Just finished reading issue #4 and what a finale! I actually really liked this crossover alot more than I expected to.

I love the finale and I have no idea why some folks, not to many so far, didn't like how it went but it made sense to both the characters.

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Predator saw the writing on the wall and self-destructed as a final FU to Wolverine. Some people wanted the clan retrieval route but this one is more refreshing as we don't see the self-destruction as much anymore. It's funny how Wolverine will miss him, saying that he felt more alive and ready for action knowing that there was one hunting for his head. Oh you such silly goober Wolvie.

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Oh and someone please can answer me that why:

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The X-Men spared the Predator. Wolverine warned how dangerous it was and they chose to let it go. Rouge could have soaked it's lifeforce easily but only did it enough to stop it from fighting.

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And this Predator has alot of personality that it's a shame that it has no nickname yet. Hopefully if Cpl Hicks and the squad manages to get Greg on an interview they can ask him the question. THAT and how in the hell does Wolverine know to they are called Yautja, the final issue even doesn't explain this at all.

Someone in the fan letter section said that it would be cool if the comic can be adapted into an animated form and I f**kIN HOPE SO PLEASE! It's a good run and I think it follows the Batman vs Predator first run very well in terms of quality.

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 28, 2023, 12:20:35 AMI love the finale and I have no idea why some folks, not to many so far, didn't like how it went but it made sense to both the characters.

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Predator saw the writing on the wall and self-destructed as a final FU to Wolverine. Some people wanted the clan retrieval route but this one is more refreshing as we don't see the self-destruction as much anymore. It's funny how Wolverine will miss him, saying that he felt more alive and ready for action knowing that there was one hunting for his head. Oh you such silly goober Wolvie.

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Oh and someone please can answer me that why:

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The X-Men spared the Predator. Wolverine warned how dangerous it was and they chose to let it go. Rouge could have soaked it's lifeforce easily but only did it enough to stop it from fighting.

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And this Predator has alot of personality that it's a shame that it has no nickname yet. Hopefully if Cpl Hicks and the squad manages to get Greg on an interview they can ask him the question. THAT and how in the hell does Wolverine know to they are called Yautja, the final issue even doesn't explain this at all.

Someone in the fan letter section said that it would be cool if the comic can be adapted into an animated form and I f**kIN HOPE SO PLEASE! It's a good run and I think it follows the Batman vs Predator first run very well in terms of quality.

Question, do you think this predator might be a bad blood? Based one some stuff he did in issue 2 and 4?

Quote from: (Bad Blood) on Dec 28, 2023, 11:29:13 AMQuestion, do you think this predator might be a bad blood? Based one some stuff he did in issue 2 and 4?

Honestly I don't know. Like one can try to rationalize that the Predator in issue 4:

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Used missiles strong enough to shake up the mansion but not so much that it outright kills everyone there. As he just wants to draw Wolverine out, not kill everyone in there, otherwise the artillery would have been much more powerful. HOWEVER, if we want to be technical with the code, it says not to harm the unarmed/non-combatants, which he made sure he did. Bending the rules but not breaking them. The villainy trope of "I gave you my word" kind of deal.

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Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 28, 2023, 12:20:35 AMI love the finale and I have no idea why some folks, not to many so far, didn't like how it went but it made sense to both the characters.

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Predator saw the writing on the wall and self-destructed as a final FU to Wolverine. Some people wanted the clan retrieval route but this one is more refreshing as we don't see the self-destruction as much anymore. It's funny how Wolverine will miss him, saying that he felt more alive and ready for action knowing that there was one hunting for his head. Oh you such silly goober Wolvie.

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Oh and someone please can answer me that why:

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The X-Men spared the Predator. Wolverine warned how dangerous it was and they chose to let it go. Rouge could have soaked it's lifeforce easily but only did it enough to stop it from fighting.

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And this Predator has alot of personality that it's a shame that it has no nickname yet. Hopefully if Cpl Hicks and the squad manages to get Greg on an interview they can ask him the question. THAT and how in the hell does Wolverine know to they are called Yautja, the final issue even doesn't explain this at all.

Someone in the fan letter section said that it would be cool if the comic can be adapted into an animated form and I f**kIN HOPE SO PLEASE! It's a good run and I think it follows the Batman vs Predator first run very well in terms of quality.

Having looked at issue four online (not necessarily read thoroughly... I'll do that when I get the physical copy in hand) I can say that there was something which I didn't expect Marvel to actually do with their Predator in this series, and I can't believe I missed at it first glance but...

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Apparently, this Predator learned Earth based Martial Arts which Muramasa seemingly noticed and openly stated. This Predator learned some Shorin-ryu Karate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Drin-ry%C5%AB) and Brazilian Jiujitsu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_jiu-jitsu). As someone who's practiced Martial Arts, I was very pleased to see this but I felt that we didn't see enough of it. If anything, I would've liked Logan to suddenly realize and say "Now, he's gotten over his weakness of using the tech. This guy is skilled." Or something along those lines.

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What I didn't like?

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I... really didn't like how this one Predator outright attacked the Xavier Institute, and ultimately took Rogue hostage. I don't think that's something I've seen in the Dark Horse series, and I didn't like seeing it here. It's something out of character for most Predators to do. Only a coward or a Bad blood would do something like that.

Also, the X-Men pwning this Predator... You'd think for a Yautja who's fought Logan so many times would've posed a higher level of danger against the X-Men, especially a team without the likes of Cyclops, Jean and Beast on the team. If anything, he should've given them more of a fight and made the team realize, he's not something to be trifled with.

I really wish Marvel would stop treating Predators as your typical Power Rangers-esque Monster of the Day and doing stuff like this.

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Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 28, 2023, 10:47:33 PM

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Apparently, this Predator learned Earth based Martial Arts which Muramasa seemingly noticed and openly stated. This Predator learned some Shorin-ryu Karate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Drin-ry%C5%AB) and Brazilian Jiujitsu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_jiu-jitsu). As someone who's practiced Martial Arts, I was very pleased to see this but I felt that we didn't see enough of it. If anything, I would've liked Logan to suddenly realize and say "Now, he's gotten over his weakness of using the tech. This guy is skilled." Or something along those lines.

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I love that detail, it just goes to show how too Preds are adaptable and pick up on things from the prey they hunt. At the same time, Logan should have made note of that too but I figured it was implied at the final battle when they really went at it.

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I... really didn't like how this one Predator outright attacked the Xavier Institute, and ultimately took Rogue hostage. I don't think that's something I've seen in the Dark Horse series, and I didn't like seeing it here. It's something out of character for most Predators to do. Only a coward or a Bad blood would do something like that.

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I'm also conflicted because it almost looks like he is breaking the rules but a closer look, one can argue that he is bending the rules seeing how there was no real physical harm to anyone there with the exception of...

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Professor X and that is because his psionic/telepathic powers makes him still super dangerous despite his disability. He don't need to come after you physically to cause real harm. I don't remember much on how he was back then with his powers so I'm open to being wrong on this.

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Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 28, 2023, 10:47:33 PM

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Also, the X-Men pwning this Predator... You'd think for a Yautja who's fought Logan so many times would've posed a higher level of danger against the X-Men, especially a team without the likes of Cyclops, Jean and Beast on the team. If anything, he should've given them more of a fight and made the team realize, he's not something to be trifled with.

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It's also that he took them by surprise just as much they took him by surprise. You saw how they got the jump on him, he wasn't ready for all those diverse powers coming at him at once. I think it was a sign of him getting sloppy and not really studying the mansion's people as he should. After all, decades before had shown him being very analytical so guess the decades of this feud really got to him?

Also, as we saw with them there:

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Their powers were too much for him. The ambush got him stunlocked like how a fighting game character gets beatin in their corner with no way out. Rouge alone could have just drained the Predator's entire lifeforce but guess in that time, they're been known to be very merciful than today? Nightcrawler's teleportation, Kitty's ability to phase through solids, Rogue's life drain, and that is just their surface abilities. Now throw in Colossus, The Beast, and now a recovered Wolverine out in the open for the Predator to deal with? I don't think it stood a chance when the ball is in their court.

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Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 28, 2023, 10:47:33 PM

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I really wish Marvel would stop treating Predators as your typical Power Rangers-esque Monster of the Day and doing stuff like this.

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Same. It feels like they have no idea on how else to deal with the race other than another enemy to deal with. I see people wanting a fight pitted against say Kraven, Spider-Man, and others but at this point we all know they will never allow a Predator to take their head.

MY hope is that maybe they can pull a Scarface and have the Predator survive the blast, and have him be a reoccurring character. Whenever having solo issues or fighting the X-Men from time to time. It's Marvel, they brought back characters from worse conditions from very slim or sillier reasons.

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 30, 2023, 01:16:44 AMSame. It feels like they have no idea on how else to deal with the race other than another enemy to deal with. I see people wanting a fight pitted against say Kraven, Spider-Man, and others but at this point we all know they will never allow a Predator to take their head.

MY hope is that maybe they can pull a Scarface and have the Predator survive the blast, and have him be a reoccurring character. Whenever having solo issues or fighting the X-Men from time to time. It's Marvel, they brought back characters from worse conditions from very slim or sillier reasons.

I wrote in a letter to Marvel, and even marked it as "OKAY TO PRINT" to maybe see it answered and printed. I had gave them some suggestions to help in writing their versions of the Predators better, even referring to what they're capable of even without tech, I even referenced Predator: Hunters III where we even saw a clan of Predators with wooden and bone weapons taking out Anti-Predator Elite teams and AVP Prey to show them that Predators have their own martial art called "Jehdin" and how one Predator, Broken Tusk, emphasized on the use of blades and bare fists, and the reliance on one's own senses.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 30, 2023, 01:52:31 AMI wrote in a letter to Marvel, and even marked it as "OKAY TO PRINT" to maybe see it answered and printed. I had gave them some suggestions to help in writing their versions of the Predators better, even referring to what they're capable of even without tech, I even referenced Predator: Hunters III where we even saw a clan of Predators with wooden and bone weapons taking out Anti-Predator Elite teams and AVP Prey to show them that Predators have their own martial art called "Jehdin" and how one Predator, Broken Tusk, emphasized on the use of blades and bare fists, and the reliance on one's own senses.

With the recent return of John Schafer, I know at least they have looked at Hunters III so perhaps, and I hope they done, is read your letter and/or already went ahead and implemented such notes into future comics.  I wasn't familiar with Jehdin. I'm a take a look back at the novel, as I don't recall that bit of info. The closest thing to a martial art that I was aware of was actually a fighting style from MKX of all places, the "Hish-Qu-Ten" variation. Oh and also that one short story, Skeld's Keep where one of the Predators in question, One Eye, is a master of wristblade combat so there is another martial art style they got going on with that too.

While I get that, like people, there would be Predators who would rely on their tech too much but to use it as the standard is not the case either. Hubris kills them, which can apply to either skill and/or tech. The Predator Wolverine was facing kept refining and removing those weaknesses, which as a proper Predator should. Which is why I personally understood why the ending went the way it did.

I think also what is the point of any versus if there is no possibility of a Pred removing a head. I came around to the notion that at times there has to be a Predator win here and there in order to keep it unpredictable and threatening. Yes I can't ignore how hard it is to bring one done as they leave a mountain of bodies before they die but sometimes there can be a moment where we drop a duce cuz one of them actually walks away and comes back for more. Keeps things always fresh and attention grabbing. It's why Scarface and Ahab are so well liked, they got personality and actually survive to live up to the name of the Predator with a list of feats behind them.

Just read the first issue on the Marvel Unlimited app.
Let me just say that not only was it a great first issue, but reading it on the app was actually fun!
The transitions of the Predator using its cloaking was amazing in the app.

Just read all 4 issues in one go and was pleasantly surprised at how solid this crossover turned out! Neither side felt overpowered and Percy did a great job at weaving Wolverine lore together with Predator lore. Couple of nice nods to Prey added to the overall awesomeness! Best Predator crossover since Batman IMO!

I read the last issue last week and I agree with the general sentiment of the series. I really enjoyed it. I never expected the

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the Predator to actually survive the entire series, but he survives multiple encounters with Wolverine, learning from each other as they

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, but I was thrilled to see how balanced I felt the portrayal of each character was. It very much feels like a Batman vs. Predator in that regard.

Aside from Loracco's artwork in the first issue, I thought the artwork was fantastic. I wasn't too sure on Gavin Guidry and Matthew Wilson's Winchester era style, but that's nothing objective, just a subjective take on the style. Did that mean anything? Was that typical of anything to do with the stories in that era?

I'm quite looking forward to sitting and going through this series in its entirety.

I seriously loved the panel of

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Predator on the back of the killer whale.

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Quote from: Sabres21768 on Jan 03, 2024, 12:49:21 AMI seriously loved the panel of

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Predator on the back of the killer whale.

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Not every so often I see a Predator going after a sea creature.

Love the concept! Just a shame about the artist and quality of it.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 06, 2024, 08:05:55 AMLove the concept! Just a shame about the artist and quality of it.

What do you mean?
It looks amazing to me.

It's more traced artwork from Land (known for tracing and swiping).

https://twitter.com/Engineer_LV426/status/1718359810444530156

He traced the water spray FFS

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2024, 08:53:52 AMIt's more traced artwork from Land (known for tracing and swiping).

https://twitter.com/Engineer_LV426/status/1718359810444530156

I see.
Still a cool panel though.

God what a hack.

If only they'd gone with old mate Sal instead.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2024, 08:53:52 AMIt's more traced artwork from Land (known for tracing and swiping).

https://twitter.com/Engineer_LV426/status/1718359810444530156

This made me realize at a slightly unrelated issue and not a real big one at that but one that realize something. The spear throughout the story is never extended. It was always in the "sheathe" form. Almost like shooting a gun while it's in the holster  :laugh:

Also looking forward to a podcast review on this comic run. Love hearin yall while I'm doin work or going to places.

Thats one big trophy

The Predator wearing the bear's skull as a mask was creepy as fuuuuck, but I really liked his fish scale patterned mask with the bear claw marks across it. This predator would make for an amazing action figure. Whale sold separately.

Also, love when he pulled out the Ceremonial Dagger!

It's a shame that Predator vs Wolverine isn't gaining much of a huge traction, despite being such a great quality story. Guess with the whole culture war on Marvel and comics in general is distracting from this well deserved attention.

Also, I wonder if the writer has given a name to the Predator yet. I saw someone coined the term Copperhead due to the mask having details akin to a snake via the scales on the top part and the design is sharp like a snake's fangs.

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Jan 17, 2024, 08:09:32 PMIt's a shame that Predator vs Wolverine isn't gaining much of a huge traction, despite being such a great quality story. Guess with the whole culture war on Marvel and comics in general is distracting from this well deserved attention.

Also, I wonder if the writer has given a name to the Predator yet. I saw someone coined the term Copperhead due to the mask having details akin to a snake via the scales on the top part and the design is sharp like a snake's fangs.

Honestly, I'm not an X-Men fan at all and I loved this crossover series. SUPER interesting about the Predator's nickname. Initially, I thought it looked more like fish scales (probably because my 2 year old is obsessed with Finding Nemo right now) but the snake scales make way more sense and I really dig the nickname Copperhead for this Predator.

In light of how good this crossover series was, I'm hoping we get an Alien/Star Wars one.

I'd love for a Xenomorph outbreak to happen on the Death Star.

Quote from: Chieftain Suom on Jan 17, 2024, 08:28:25 PMHonestly, I'm not an X-Men fan at all and I loved this crossover series. SUPER interesting about the Predator's nickname. Initially, I thought it looked more like fish scales (probably because my 2 year old is obsessed with Finding Nemo right now) but the snake scales make way more sense and I really dig the nickname Copperhead for this Predator.

I saw someone reached out to the writer on twitter on the question. Hopefully the writer gives an answer on either approving the fan name or revealing the name he already had for him.

Quote from: Retropocalypse on Jan 18, 2024, 08:20:30 AMIn light of how good this crossover series was, I'm hoping we get an Alien/Star Wars one.

I'd love for a Xenomorph outbreak to happen on the Death Star.

I know in the comic, there was a skull in the trophy room that looks like a Rancor skull so maybe that's a light nod to Preds and perhaps to an extent, xenos existing in Star Wars? Love to see a crossover too. Aliens ambushing Star Troopers or a Predator dueling with a Jedi. 

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Quote from: Chieftain Suom on Jan 17, 2024, 08:28:25 PMHonestly, I'm not an X-Men fan at all and I loved this crossover series. SUPER interesting about the Predator's nickname. Initially, I thought it looked more like fish scales (probably because my 2 year old is obsessed with Finding Nemo right now) but the snake scales make way more sense and I really dig the nickname Copperhead for this Predator.

I saw someone reached out to the writer on twitter on the question. Hopefully the writer gives an answer on either approving the fan name or revealing the name he already had for him.

Interesting.. I was hoping there might be a reveal of concept art with a name on it or something like that.

Quote from: Chieftain Suom on Jan 18, 2024, 06:32:35 PM

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Jan 18, 2024, 06:02:23 PM

Quote from: Chieftain Suom on Jan 17, 2024, 08:28:25 PMHonestly, I'm not an X-Men fan at all and I loved this crossover series. SUPER interesting about the Predator's nickname. Initially, I thought it looked more like fish scales (probably because my 2 year old is obsessed with Finding Nemo right now) but the snake scales make way more sense and I really dig the nickname Copperhead for this Predator.

I saw someone reached out to the writer on twitter on the question. Hopefully the writer gives an answer on either approving the fan name or revealing the name he already had for him.

Interesting.. I was hoping there might be a reveal of concept art with a name on it or something like that.

I hope so too. Would be cool to see the thought process behind the story.

Podcast discussion is now up! :) https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2024/02/28/i-see-my-reflection-in-its-blade-reviewing-predator-vs-wolverine-avp-galaxy-podcast-179/

Very, very good podcast... I can't say the same for the comic tho.

Good comic better than Prey  Predator 2018.  Maybe sequels Team X vs Aliens, Cable and Predator vs Aliens, Red Cable vs Red Aliens  ;D   

Thanks again for inviting me to join you guys! Had a blast recording this one!

Another enjoyable episode! I haven't read the story (I'm sure I'll pick up the complete edition one day), but I decided to listen anyway.

Quote from: Acid for Blood on Mar 06, 2024, 09:31:08 PMAnother enjoyable episode! I haven't read the story (I'm sure I'll pick up the complete edition one day), but I decided to listen anyway.

You absolute madman.  :laugh:

Quote from: Retropocalypse on Jan 18, 2024, 08:20:30 AMIn light of how good this crossover series was, I'm hoping we get an Alien/Star Wars one.

I'd love for a Xenomorph outbreak to happen on the Death Star.

Yes, but then they just blow it up. Reminds me of the IG-88 "outbreak" on the second Death Star in the old EU. One of the most insane SW stories, but great as well.