Unleash your inner fanboy and let us know about your
wishes for the next step in the journey of
Shaw and David's severed head ;)
Shaw x David's head sex scene.
It's been done before.
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I've always wanted to see that show :laugh:
I saw it about a decade ago.. i remember it being very weird, very fun, ocasionally very sexy :P .. ocasionally very lame... and sometimes incredibly so.
Rutger Hauer is in that show.. and he kicked it up to 11 on the cheesy acting scale.
Wouldnt go so far as recommending it, though lol.
I kinda want to see two stories - Shaw and David on their journey to Paradise and learning about the Engineers, and the Deacon exploring LV-223 and eventually taking off in the downed juggernaut to possibly follow Shaw and David.
Quote from: Godzillakuj94 on Jan 17, 2013, 02:30:41 AM
...and the Deacon exploring LV-223 and eventually taking off in the downed juggernaut to possibly follow Shaw and David.
What the... :-X
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Quote from: Godzillakuj94 on Jan 17, 2013, 02:30:41 AM
...and the Deacon exploring LV-223 and eventually taking off in the downed juggernaut to possibly follow Shaw and David.
What the... :-X
Sorry, the art book just seemed to hint that.
In the art book you see the Deacon pressing buttons while playing the flute or controlling the chair :laugh:?
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Jan 17, 2013, 03:01:38 AM
In the art book you see the Deacon pressing buttons while playing the flute or controlling the chair :laugh:?
Ha, that would be quite a sight. The book shows the Deacon getting out of the lifeboat and walking towards the juggernaut.
This?
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Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Jan 17, 2013, 03:07:55 AM
This?
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Yeah then there is another page of him closer to the juggernaut. I also hope we get to see the adult Deacon.
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Well ok, but i lack the imagination to see a hint that it changes to bounty hunter mode and controls a space ship to hunt down Shaw and David - at least that's something i really don't want so see - reminds me on the cut out ending scene of Alien where the Alien mimicks Ripley's voice :D
I could live with some kind of intelligence IF it somehow fits...but not this way, this would be the hardcore host's trait version :'(
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Well ok, but i lack the imagination to see a hint that it changes to bounty hunter mode and controls a space ship to hunt down Shaw and David - at least that's something i really don't want so see :D
If they don't expand on it the film will be a let down from the get go, but how is it suddenly gonna fly the ship?
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Well ok, but i lack the imagination to see a hint that it changes to bounty hunter mode and controls a space ship to hunt down Shaw and David - at least that's something i really don't want so see :D
If they don't expand on it the film will be a let down from the get go, but how is it suddenly gonna fly the ship?
That's why I said he could explore and maybe learn. It would be neat to see him playing in the hologram.
worst endingg ever ...what was the purpose of the deacon after all? now he is threathening a haunted planet....would have been much better if they would show nothing then it could be anyhting if they would continue with a rescue squad on lv223...now its just one alien...could have been a multiple breed after the squid or even a greater mutation whatever
I would like to see this specie (seen on the mural and in the art book) having black goo and lay a facehugger egg (no need to see it hatch) :
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Prometheus universe is taking a different direction from Alien's one, but linking sometimes the two would satisfy my inner fanboy :)
Engineer's homeworld Paradise, compared to Earth, is surely a far more advanced place technologically speaking but could be a desolate, maybe half destroyed place (due to humans ?? this would explain the Lv-223 Engineer's motive to destroy Earth in return..).
Anyway, it's very speculative...Can't wait to watch it !
About the Deacon, in the Furious Gods, Ridley is questionning a drawing of the Deacon biting the umbilical cord, and the answer is that it could be interesting in the European version (Ridley has then a little laugh), could somebody explain me why ?
I want to see more exploration of the unknown.
See more of the engineers civilisation, the ruins of their home.
encounter a new threat that is both a threat to the engineers and us.
Two hours plus of Shaw and a talking head on an alien planet..?
No thank you...
Blow that f**king ship up as soon as it leaves the planet...end that shit before it becomes more of a farce...
Call me crazy, but I honestly wouldn't mind a film if Shaw and David were the only real protagonists. Buried worked with only one character (and a few voices on the phone).
In that context, one character can/does work...but where's the tension in this film if we only have one human character the whole way..?
Where does the body-horror come from..?
They can add other human characters to the mix. ex: Via a research station that Shaw and David go through before they end up on the Engineer planet or etc... that would make it more watchable as a standalone flick... mimicking the beggining of aliens... gives you a new team forming up and then they finally arrive on the planet.
Given what we're working with, forcing new characters into the story will come off exactly like forcing new characters into the story...
A bit too lame for me... :)
Quote from: Gates on Jan 17, 2013, 05:42:13 PM
In that context, one character can/does work...but where's the tension in this film if we only have one human character the whole way..?
Where does the body-horror come from..?
Prometheus already established that it is less about body horror than
Alien was. Also, there will likely be Engineers, perhaps ever characterized ones.
I didn't mean body-horror comparable to Alien, Prometheus has it's fair share of body-horror as well...
My point is, with only Shaw as the one human character, any sort of danger she is in early in the film is moot...
Quote from: Gates on Jan 17, 2013, 06:15:00 PM
Given what we're working with, forcing new characters into the story will come off exactly like forcing new characters into the story...
A bit too lame for me... :)
Depends on how it's done.
The research station can be on a sort of "portal" that brings them to the Engineer homeworld.. that Weyland already knew about... but couldnt operate.
This also makes his betting 3 billion dolars on the prometheus mission less specious.... he already knew there was alien life out there. He just couldnt get in touch with them.
Some of the team joins the Juggernaut, David is brought back to his body and voila... This should take up 20 minutes of the film... then we go in full throttle... Organic, doesnt contradict what we saw in the original flick, adds new characters, reintroduces the audience to the mission at hand... I can see a few reasons why something like this should be done.
The alternative is to introduce Engineers that are actually characterized... and have a few on Shaw's side.
A 3rd, weirder option would be to add "humans" already on the engineer homeworld. One of the Lindelof ideas for the sequel script (via an interview) is that the "black goo" would be used to advance human evolution. Into what? Maybe into a type of "human" we find on the homeworld... a sort of biomechanic "human" perhaps. Then the beggining of the film could evoke Alien3.. the Juggernaut crash lands into the sea and these humans rescue Shaw and David from the wreckage...
just spit balling a few ideas. :) :laugh:
Another possibility I'd be open to is having two alternating stories a la The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers. Maybe a Weyland rescue mission or a group of Yutani spies arrive on LV-223 weeks after the events in Prometheus, and SHaw and David go on their mission to Paradise. Eventually the stories will join together, either in that film or in a third.
That would make the narrative too fractured, i think.
Two Towers made sense because those 2 stories are working already towards a bigger one, the defeat of Sauron, the main evil baddie. The yutani mission wouldnt even be clued in to this "fight against evil gods" goal until a certain section of the film... making their time learning stuff the audience already knows a bit of a time waster... I would just be counting time until their goals intersect.
Quote from: Blacklabel on Jan 17, 2013, 06:42:17 PM
That would make the narrative too fractured, i think.
Two Towers made sense because those 2 stories are working already towards a bigger one, the defeat of Sauron, the main evil baddie. The yutani mission wouldnt even be clued in to this "fight against evil gods" goal until a certain section of the film... making their time learning stuff the audience already knows a bit of a time waster...
I don't know...Weyland had a pretty good idea of what the Engineers were before going in (the only thing he didn't really expect was the Engineer to kill him), and the 'Quiet Eye' viral hints they Yutani may have been tapping into Weyland's transmissions. For all we know, they are after the Engineers/Black Goo/Aliens as well (though for for weapons like in the
Alien movies rather than for extended life), and they could follow Shaw and David out to Paradise.
All I know is that I'm rambling now :D
Free rambling is why i created this thread. It's "arrite" and welcome. :laugh:
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Good ideas guys, I'm just not sure how marketable they are...suffice to say they have their hands full trying to come up with -- something...
We need to get closer to relationship of the Engineers and their creations. Was Earth intended to be a breeding ground for a biological weapon? Or were we just bad test tube babies and needed punishment? Why were the Engineers developing this weapon and to what end? Were they at war? With whom?
I would love to see that is the distant reaches of space ... that the engineers have assimilated themselves into their biotechnology. No longer recognizable as Engineers or Aliens ... they are now one.
There will need to be more human characters I feel. Whether they come from Earth on some sort of search and rescue team or if they are parallel bred races on difference planets. It can't just be Shaw and David.
How can a search and rescue ship catch up from being so far away versus the cost and time it would take? A second ship was secretly manufactured alongside the Prometheus and has been ghosting it's steps since the mission began. Just a few steps behind. It doesn't even have to be a Weyland Industries ship. Enter Yutani.
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Jan 17, 2013, 06:58:59 PM
How can a search and rescue ship catch up from being so far away versus the cost and time it would take? A second ship was secretly manufactured alongside the Prometheus and has been ghosting it's steps since the mission began. Just a few steps behind. It doesn't even have to be a Weyland Industries ship. Enter Yutani.
It looks as a good way to do things since the destination of Prometheus ship was supposed to be undisclosed and no one on Earth should know where they were headed to (Lv-223).
Just hope this Yutani ship discovers that David and Shaw are going to Paradise, and they can follow the speed of the Juggernaut...
Quote from: PrimitifAlien on Jan 17, 2013, 09:49:31 PM
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Jan 17, 2013, 06:58:59 PM
How can a search and rescue ship catch up from being so far away versus the cost and time it would take? A second ship was secretly manufactured alongside the Prometheus and has been ghosting it's steps since the mission began. Just a few steps behind. It doesn't even have to be a Weyland Industries ship. Enter Yutani.
It looks as a good way to do things since the destination of Prometheus ship was supposed to be undisclosed and no one on Earth should know where they were headed to (Lv-223).
Just hope this Yutani ship discovers that David and Shaw are going to Paradise, and they can follow the speed of the Juggernaut...
If you take the ad campaign for Prometheus as Canon (or at least as some insight into the back story) Yutani appeared to have either worked with Weyland Industries in the selection process of the crew or hacked into their files and watched 'eyes only' material regarding the mission. It was one or the other. I don't recall where the general conscious left it.
Good point about the hypothetical ship being able to catch up to (or at least be able to trace) the juggernaut.
Dealing with the Deacon and any other abnormalities that came from the 'disruption' on LV-223 would be a nice first act.
On the subject of returning actors. Obviously everyone on board the Prometheus was reduced to very small ashes. The only actors who could conceivably return (albeit possibly ridiculously) would be Theron and Pierce. Vickers could have survived just as easily as Shaw did if they wanted her to.
Vickers scratching a living on the surface of LV-223 would probably be better suited for a fan film. Cat and Mousing the Deacon. Trying to find a way back onto the lifeboat. Salvaging useful scrap from the collision. Like Cast Away but with Aliens. :laugh:
Weyland could return as an android I suppose. It wouldn't be out of character for Weyland to have made a robot in his image. As to how it would fit and be relevant in a new story is beyond me however.
I've thought of bringing another Vickers in as a robot, but not once did it cross my mind that GUy Pearce could come back (without makeup!) as a Weyland-bot.
If they take Prometheus's sequel(s) into a post-Alien³ time period, I'd love to see Lance Henriksen back as his human character. Would be interesting to see him (and Weyland Yutani) in general collapsing and plummeting financially after Ripley's sacrifice, and then they get word of Shaw and her adventures on Paradise. In a last ditch effort, WY tries to get their hands on an Alien via Shaw and the Engineers, eventually leading to the downfall of WY.
As much as I (and everyone else) adored Micheal Fassbender as David ... from a screenplay point of view it would maybe have made more sense if the robot was already a young version of Weyland.
Imagine a version of Prometheus were Micheal Fassbender had played both roles. Or if Guy Peirce had done the same. I think I would have preferred Max Von Sydow as old Weyland. That would have been pretty epic. Dat voice.
Nightmare -
They could very well take the series into the future. If David is able to figure out the Engineer's stasis chambers there is virtually no limit to how long Shaw could be preserved.
And as tempting as it would be for SOME PEOPLE to have Ripley 8, Call, and the surviving mercs meet up with David and Shaw ... I feel it would just cartwheel into AVP territory. And explode. Into shit.
Yeah, having Shaw meet up with Ripley 8 has almost no chance of being successful. But I have no problem with Ripley's sacrifice and some action from Shaw leading to Weyland Yutani's downfall. Also, assuming that the Derelict survived the explosion in Aliens, they could have something in a post-Alien³ story render it useless to Weyland Yutani and the USM.
But first, I think we should see Weyland Yutani's formation :D
I agree wholeheartedly.
But it's threads like these that result in the ultimate dissatisfaction with follow up films in general. As much as I like to speculate and dream up scenarios and things I'd love to see and places for the story to go ... it's ... none of it ... in our hands. :-\
*reigns in expectations*
Id like to see the engineers homeworld,Shaw gets there has a convo but since she is the only female there the Engineers conspire and turn her into the first Alien queen and lays eggs and bada bing bada boom :laugh:
Spoiler
not really.
Quote from: Vepariga on Jan 17, 2013, 10:43:03 PM
Id like to see the engineers homeworld,Shaw gets there has a convo but since she is the only female there the Engineers conspire and turn her into the first Alien queen and lays eggs and bada bing bada boom :laugh:
Spoiler
not really.
Change it from a Queen to
something else and get Lars von Trier to write and direct and you might be on to something.
At least Cvalda would give it a chance.
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It wouldn't be a Lars Von Trier Prometheus sequel until Noomi Rapace starts eating her jumpsuit halfway through production from stress.
Or hunger. I mean, what the f**k does she have to eat now?
I meant behind the scenes.
And yet my question stands.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 18, 2013, 01:44:42 AM
And yet my question stands.
Maybe her Juggernaut has some Alien eggs stowed away that she can cook using David's recently-lit-on-fire body while making his severed head watch.
In all seriousness, with the Engineers being us and all, they probably have a food source of some sort on board.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 18, 2013, 01:44:42 AM
And yet my question stands.
Well, she's got the rest of David. Robo-milk does a body good...?
I have so many things I want to know about Deacon. Why did the mural look like the Deacon as an infant, or doesn't it get any bigger? Was it prophized or had it been seen before? And what is it's relation to the Alien. How was the Xeno as we know it created?
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 18, 2013, 01:44:42 AM
And yet my question stands.
What about provision, stored at Vicker's lifeboat? There must be some if it's claimed to be capable for sustaining life for 2,5 years!
My short version for
Prometheus 2, rumorued as
Paradise: Shaw finds the planet and meets Engineers, they are thankfully obliged for hearing back from her about their military installation downfall and ignorant Earthlings, happily surviving all these two thousand years, so that Big Blue chaps shortly rip off her head too and set out to Earth to finish the mission their brothers on LV-223 failed to accomplish then. Whoop! Film's done in 10 minutes!
On a serious side, I hope to see expanded creators-createes chain, where the Engineers are the mere part of intelligent life experiment themselves conducted by more evolved, older beings (thus giving back the Derelict pilot chance to return as actual ET, non-humanoid creature). Probably, the severe competing among createes is thriving, forcing the more knowledgeable to extirpate the inferior ones. And as humanity is better endowed than it was 2000 years ago, we might withstand the charges, least partially. On a personal level, David must choose his side in this war, probably going against Shaw, maybe teaming up with her when he comes to realise that he's nothing than another miserable creature in the eyes of higher beings.
My two cents :)
Quote from: Cvalda on Jan 18, 2013, 03:25:55 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 18, 2013, 01:44:42 AM
And yet my question stands.
Well, she's got the rest of David. Robo-milk does a body good...?
Good for strengthening those hydraulic joints!
Quote from: aliennaire on Jan 18, 2013, 10:41:47 PM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 18, 2013, 01:44:42 AM
And yet my question stands.
What about provision, stored at Vicker's lifeboat? There must be some if it's claimed to be capable for sustaining life for 2,5 years!
Never thought of that actually... though in the theatrical cut, we never really see her do anything more than find the Trilobite and 'sacrifice' the Engineer to it, so it'd have to be an off-screen assumption. That said, if that was the reasoning for it in a sequel, I'd be fine with that.
Quote from: aliennaire on Jan 18, 2013, 10:41:47 PM
On a serious side, I hope to see expanded creators-createes chain, where the Engineers are the mere part of intelligent life experiment themselves conducted by more evolved, older beings (thus giving back the Derelict pilot chance to return as actual ET, non-humanoid creature). Probably, the severe competing among createes is thriving, forcing the more knowledgeable to extirpate the inferior ones. And as humanity is better endowed than it was 2000 years ago, we might withstand the charges, least partially. On a personal level, David must choose his side in this war, probably going against Shaw, maybe teaming up with her when he comes to realise that he's nothing than another miserable creature in the eyes of higher beings.
My two cents :)
Though I've never agreed with the desire to flip back on making the Space Jockey we saw in Alien anything more than what was presented in Prometheus (mostly due to the established theme of one creating in their own image-- and possibly only achieving perfection (http://img2-2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2012/10/23/ash-alien.jpg) when breaking that mold; ultimately causing the creator's death), I like the way you think.
That said...
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Not too close, I hope.
Shaw goes to the Engineer homeworld. The homeworld has a super-translator field, so that everything you say while you are in its atmosphere is translated to the Engineers' language (too complex of a mechanism to be installed on every satellite or spaceship). Either way she arrives, turns the speaker on and asks "why the f**k do you want to exterminate uuus?"
The Engineers use a megaphone device, and reply: "ak-irshto! Maka-lanada! Eesh ak-irshto ik maka-as?! NAKAAA!" And seconds after, they begin bombing her with neutron bombs. She manages to flee.
In deep space, David helps Shaw translate the ominous phrase, but his translation process is slowed down due to severe damage to his android circuits.
By the end of the movie, he manages to do it. He translates it all! He tells Shaw the horrifying meaning of the statement:
"You have hair! We are bald! Why do you have hair and we don't?! DIEEE!"
^ Genius.
Wonder if they are actually gonna have David translating everything the engineers say.. or if they are gonna use some kind of "translator implant"... hopefully implanted through a horrifying, painful and weird, giger machine. (that's what i'd do.) :P
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 19, 2013, 12:03:18 AM
...so it'd have to be an off-screen assumption.
Yes, I know what you mean. And that's why the film feels like unfinished jigsaw puzzle game. Unfortunately, the number and shapes of tiles and slots don't correspond here, and I'm not sure whether it's a good sign of story telling.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 19, 2013, 12:03:18 AM
... theme of one creating in their own image-- and possibly only achieving perfection (http://img2-2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2012/10/23/ash-alien.jpg) when breaking that mold; ultimately causing the creator's death)...
That's why I speculated about the chain of creator-createes links ;) There may be a few transitional stages (species) between us and Engineers, as well as from blue guys to their Gods. The first Alien life you found in Universe not neccessarily has to be the only one there. And discovering their interconnections through grisly attempts to make a final perfect organism rings as a great idea to me.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 19, 2013, 08:03:47 AM
"You have hair! We are bald! Why do you have hair and we don't?! DIEEE!"
And here comes relevation! ;D
Quote from: Blacklabel on Jan 19, 2013, 08:07:03 AM
Wonder if they are actually gonna have David translating everything the engineers say.. or if they are gonna use some kind of "translator implant"... hopefully implanted through a horrifying, painful and weird, giger machine. (that's what i'd do.) :P
Might use that machine on Shaw, as deleted scenes clearly state David can interpret Engineers' language.