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I realise that there are probably afew Star Wars threads about but I'm not sure if anyone has actually done an out n out poll to see what everyone thinks, there are also allot of folks here so hopefully there will be a good response. After all Star Wars isn't a matter of life and death....it's more important than that!

3 votes,
May the force be with you....always.

Empire, Wars and Phantom. Voila.

The three original, obviously. To suggest otherwise is nothing short of heresy.

Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 17, 2011, 03:23:33 PM
The three original, obviously. To suggest otherwise is nothing short of heresy.

2, 3, and 5. ;D

I love all 6, but there is no denying that the original 3 are the best.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 17, 2011, 03:28:53 PM
I love all 6, but there is no denying that the original 3 are the best.

You do have a point, but I'll never forget the Battle of Geonosis from Episode 2.

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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 17, 2011, 03:28:53 PM
I love all 6, but there is no denying that the original 3 are the best.

You do have a point, but I'll never forget the Battle of Geonosis from Episode 2.

Neither will I. In fact, seeing each movie in the prequel trilogy is probably some of the best experiences of my childhood. I can't wait to see them again and relive the experience when they are rereleased, plus, that will be my first time seeing the originals in the theater.

I have mixed feelings about Return of the Jedi. They made a lot of strange choices, so parts of it are mindblowingly brilliant while others leave you confused that it's over. I still think they could have gone in a much more logical direction. Not to mention Harrison Ford is playing his character from the Holiday Special, and they...they killed...they...

*points to blog, and sobs into hands*

Yeah, Phantom Menace for me.

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Quote from: Ghost Rider on Jan 17, 2011, 03:31:04 PM

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 17, 2011, 03:28:53 PM
I love all 6, but there is no denying that the original 3 are the best.

You do have a point, but I'll never forget the Battle of Geonosis from Episode 2.

Neither will I. In fact, seeing each movie in the prequel trilogy is probably some of the best experiences of my childhood. I can't wait to see them again and relive the experience when they are rereleased, plus, that will be my first time seeing the originals in the theater.

Mine as well. Where's Vul at? I'm waiting for him to try to tear my throat out.

Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 17, 2011, 03:35:18 PM
I have mixed feelings about Return of the Jedi. They made a lot of strange choices, so parts of it are mindblowingly brilliant while others leave you confused that it's over. I still think they could have gone in a much more logical direction. Not to mention Harrison Ford is playing his character from the Holiday Special, and they...they killed...they...

*points to blog, and sobs into hands*

Yeah, Phantom Menace for me.

I haven't seen the holiday special, but I did really like RotJ. Sure, the Ewoks were far fetched, but the story was good, and it was a great conclusion to an epic saga.

But how was Han the Han from the Holiday Special?

The original three. And for me, especiallly Jedi. I think that final confrontation is the emotional zenith of the entire saga. And it's all crazy imaginative.

Plus... it proved how utterly useless Boba Fett really was. Looking cool will only get you so far.

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The first two I hold dear, they were so far beyond their time when they came out.  In fact, I was told that the Empire Strikes Back is the first movie my parents took me to see in the theaters.  Of course I was VERY young lol, and don't remember.

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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 17, 2011, 03:28:53 PM
I love all 6, but there is no denying that the original 3 are the best.

You do have a point, but I'll never forget the Battle of Geonosis from Episode 2.

Yes I'll never forget that flashy seizure inducing mess of a battle.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 17, 2011, 03:37:49 PM
I haven't seen the holiday special, but I did really like RotJ. Sure, the Ewoks were far fetched, but the story was good, and it was a great conclusion to an epic saga.

But how was Han the Han from the Holiday Special?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8zIYY_zUx0# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8zIYY_zUx0#)

In Empire, Han Solo was the pinnacle of devil-may-care badassery. The movie is about Luke, but Han steals the show, and literally, too. Ford is amazing in Empire. Everyone little boy wanted to grow up and be a smuggler, because he was the man, and half the reason Empire is so powerful is because Boba gets him in the end.

But in Return of the Jedi? He's a caricature, a rich star, tired of ensembles, who grins like a creep and delivers his lines with all the certainty of a cat in a speeding mine cart. It's painful to watch. Carbon freezing must have really screwed up his mind; to the point where, 'from a certain point of view', the man who was Han Solo ceased to exist on Bespin.

He acts like a scruffy Nerf herder in all of them, if you ask me.

Quote from: TJ Doc on Jan 17, 2011, 03:47:09 PM
The original three. And for me, especiallly Jedi. I think that final confrontation is the emotional zenith of the entire saga. And it's all crazy imaginative.

Plus... it proved how utterly useless Boba Fett really was. Looking cool will only get you so far.

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Revenge
Star Wars
Empire

I wanted to choose the original trilogy I really did. But just cause Jedi is part of the original trilogy doesn't mean it's my favorite, so I went with Revenge which I felt was satisfiying way to end the saga. Duel of Fates - it was damn good.

Quote from: First Blood on Jan 17, 2011, 05:01:01 PM
Duel of Fates - it was damn good.

Battle of the Heroes, actually. But I only make the distinction because I'm a goddamn psychopath.

YEAH I MAD

Whoops. Mah' bad.

Do any of the other battles have cool names after their music like that? Because those are the only two that I have heard in discussions.

Wouldn't really call them cool. All the original trilogy battle orchestrations have pretty straightforward monikers: 'Battle of Yavin', 'Battle In The Snow', 'Return of the Jedi', etc. I always feel track names are missed opportunities.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 17, 2011, 05:11:29 PM
Do any of the other battles have cool names after their music like that? Because those are the only two that I have heard in discussions.

Not really. I loved the Lightsaber fights switching between Obi Wan and Anakin, and Yoda and The Emperor at the end of Revenge with Battle of The Heroes switching back and forth to Duel of the Fates whenever Yoda and The Emperor where fighting. Brilliant.

bitch please.
original trilogy.

I like the revenge of the sith, but my favourite is a new hope.

I really respect the original film, just for its place in sci-fi history and how important it was. Plus, on a very basic level, its quite entertaining. Good saturday afternoon fare.

Empire, however, is a great film, both from a historian's perspective (forget the actors, have you seen the SFX crew on empire? And I'm not just talking about the holdovers from Alien either!), and just an exemplary example of filmmaking.

The rest of the films, I don't care for, really. Phantom Menace and Return of the Jedi are entertaining enough, but Clones and Revenge are just painful.

I went with IV, V and III,
that's Hope, Empire and Revenge ;)

'Hope' and 'Empire' speak for themselves but I admit there was some good stuff in 'Revenge', also bad as well of course. The HUGE battle between Obi and Anakin at the end is actually one bad part, it's overlong, too fussy or grand and just isn't needed, it just goes over the top, there are many sequences like this in 'Revenge' ( why did I vote for it!!? LOL!?)
Grevious is a fine character, I like him, I liked the darkness, the end 'tie up' sequences, order 66 sequence and the space battles do look very sharp you gotta admit.

As a kid I loved ROTJ, mainly the start with Jabba and the final massive battle, now as an adult it's still the same and that's the prob really..the whole middle of the film is abit poo. When I pop on the DVD I always go straight to the final battle for a quick adrenaline boost haha
Those immortal words from Ackbar 'it's a trap!!' your hairs stand on end as the space battle to end all space battles kicks off.
Ps. Who here hates that damn shitty looking beak Lucas added to the sarlacc pit?  >:(

Empire Strikes Back, A New Hope (Star Wars), Revenge of the Sith.

DEAL WITH IT.

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Be careful what you wish for mate. I used to f**k guys like you in prison ;)

Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 17, 2011, 08:33:42 PM

that's Hope, Empire and Revenge ;)

'Hope' and 'Empire' speak for themselves but I admit there was some good stuff in 'Revenge', also bad as well of course. The HUGE battle between Obi and Anakin at the end is actually one bad part, it's overlong, too fussy or grand and just isn't needed, it just goes over the top, there are many sequences like this in 'Revenge' ( why did I vote for it!!? LOL!?)
Grevious is a fine character, I like him, I liked the darkness, the end 'tie up' sequences, order 66 sequence and the space battles do look very sharp you gotta admit.

As a kid I loved ROTJ, mainly the start with Jabba and the final massive battle, now as an adult it's still the same and that's the prob really..the whole middle of the film is abit poo. When I pop on the DVD I always go straight to the final battle for a quick adrenaline boost haha
Those immortal words from Ackbar 'it's a trap!!' your hairs stand on end as the space battle to end all space battles kicks off.
Ps. Who here hates that damn shitty looking beak Lucas added to the sarlacc pit?  >:(

I have no problem with the Sarlacc beak. It's better than what was there before at least. Are you mad because you're a Fett fanboy? :laugh:

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Be careful what you wish for mate. I used to f**k guys like you in prison ;)

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Be careful what you wish for mate. I used to f**k guys like you in prison ;)

Guys in leather and chains? Vul, you kinky bastard.

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Guys in leather and chains? Vul, you kinky bastard.

I didn't know that I was that attractive.

Part IV, III, II

Despite the negative reaction I have seen to Attack of the Clones I still enjoy it.

I like Phantom Menace because of Liam Neeson and Darth Maul (what a badass). The other two prequels can get raped. Original trilogy is fine all-round IMHO.

Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jan 17, 2011, 09:29:31 PM
Part IV, III, II

Despite the negative reaction I have seen to Attack of the Clones I still enjoy it.

Its fun seeing Christopher Lee jump, hop and skip around like a young person during the saber duel.  :D

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Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jan 17, 2011, 09:29:31 PM
Part IV, III, II

Despite the negative reaction I have seen to Attack of the Clones I still enjoy it.

Its fun seeing Christopher Lee jump, hop and skip around like a young person during the saber duel.  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60GR3vNKHt8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60GR3vNKHt8#)

The thing about that is Yoda. He just has me in absolute stitches from the very start of that scene with the way he goes all Ninja. Then picks up his stick and just shuffles off :laugh:

Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 17, 2011, 09:42:57 PM
The thing about that is Yoda. He just has me in absolute stitches from the very start of that scene with the way he goes all Ninja. Then picks up his stick and just shuffles off :laugh:

haha, gotta love Yoda. I'm  curious as to why he even needs the cane, though :P

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Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 17, 2011, 09:42:57 PM
The thing about that is Yoda. He just has me in absolute stitches from the very start of that scene with the way he goes all Ninja. Then picks up his stick and just shuffles off :laugh:

haha, gotta love Yoda. I'm  curious as to why he even needs the cane, though :P

That's the thing! He really doesn't need it!

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Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 17, 2011, 09:42:57 PM
The thing about that is Yoda. He just has me in absolute stitches from the very start of that scene with the way he goes all Ninja. Then picks up his stick and just shuffles off :laugh:

haha, gotta love Yoda. I'm  curious as to why he even needs the cane, though :P

That's the thing! He really doesn't need it!

I remember reading online (wookieppedia, I think) that he chews on it occasionally for its nutrients :P

he acts as a disabled old 'man' just for benefits and parking spaces. :D

"Mmmm....bus pass I must have."

''your seat on the bus offer me you will.''

Yoda. That fickle green bastard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QACHXBqvHVk# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QACHXBqvHVk#)

Yeah, Artoo wasn't going to put up with that shit.

Bit late with my reply......

I just think that Sarlacc beak looks really outta place, very obvious and kinda steals the creatures mystique, at least they could have made it alittle more menacing looking.

As for Fett? I guess if Fett played his cards right he could have a piece of me sure  :laugh: me in my special stormtrooper armour with dog collar and metal studs all over, maybe get some Twi' lek and Weequay action in on the deal too hehe
I'll stop there.

I'm not sure about the beak, but I did like the extra tentacles.

^ I agree, more tentacles helped but before the beak the Sarlacc always seemed really ominous and eerie, I think the beak softened it's scary-ish look.

OT fan here, Empire is my favorite.  It's been that way since I was a kid and watching them on HBO in the 80's.  I even remember one Christmas Eve, '85, '86, '87, or so when they showed a marathon. 

Quote from: TJ Doc on Jan 18, 2011, 01:38:23 AM
I'm not sure about the beak, but I did like the extra tentacles.

Agree

So who's the one person to give TPM credit? ;)

That would be me. It's the best of the prequels, the most underrated film in the series, and one of the most quietly subversive movies ever made. I love Phantom.

Seeing it in the cinema at the age of 8, I have an incredibly soft, nostalgiac spot for it.

But that's about it.

Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 18, 2011, 04:25:21 PM
That would be me. It's the best of the prequels, the most underrated film in the series, and one of the most quietly subversive movies ever made. I love Phantom.

I used to think it was the worst of the sequels but now I think AOTC holds that accolade. Jar Jar doesnt annoy me anywhere near as much as alot of fans make out. Its that little twatting kid playing Anakin who irks me. The lightsaber duel at the end is the best of the series by far, although the final one with Luke and Vader in ROTJ has the most emotional impact and I love the music when Luke gets angry at the mention of Leia.

OK I can understand what your saying here, I grew up with the classic trilogy (along with other classics like Ghostbusters, Goonies, BTTF, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Close Encounters etc....) they are very close to me and hold many memories ( I saw ROTJ at the cinema on it's original run  ;D )

On the other hand I saw the prequels and mainly TPM when I was 21/22, AOTC when I was 24 and ROTS when I was 27 so overall my opinion and outlook for the films was much harder and critical than most of you guys will have thought...Seeing as many of you were very young.
Someone who has grown up with the classic trilogy I believe will think the same where as someone growing up with new prequels will think differently mainly because they will be more used to or happy with cgi, thats the big factor here I think.

I do think your giving TPM alittle too much credit though, there are some really nice ideas in it but some terrible choices were made in designs, plot and pacing. I do agree AOTC has shone through as the weaker of the three now, some nice battles but if you look closer some dreadful acting and in particular....green/blue screen work.

And yes I'm gonna say it right now, Samuel Jackson was miscast and totally crapola, I think the recent Iron Man film shows us (amongst other films) that Don Cheadle would have been so much better. A case of Lucas going for the big name over quality I firmly believe. Hell can you imagine Denzel Washington in the role!!? now that's the kind of class Guiness, Lee and Cushing added.

Just curious, if you find AotC the weakest of the 3, then why is your avatar from it?

I've always had a soft spot for A Phantom Menace, personally. Always liked it and never found anything wrong with the most criticized aspects, in particular Jar Jar Binks, who I never had problems with. I like the original trilogy a lot, but I like the Empire Strikes back the best. DAT DUEL.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 18, 2011, 08:42:34 PM
Just curious, if you find AotC the weakest of the 3, then why is your avatar from it?

Because that guy was awesome, perhaps. :P

Also just because he fins AotC the weakest doesnt mean he doesnt like the film or like aspects about it. i enjoy the entire Star Wars saga and I still think AotC is the worst film of the lot but i still hugely enjoy it and it has some brilliant moments in it. I think its the cheesy acting and horrible dialogue during the love story sections that make it the weakest film for me but in terms of entertainment and spectacle I enjoy it as much as all the others.

Yeah, probably true. I feel the same way about a lot of movies.

Also, in TPM, at the beginning with the Droidekas, do Obi Wan and Qui Gon really use force speed or something. Because I just picked up on that recently, and it look kind of...off  :-\

hmmm i think i know what youre talking about but ill have to rewatch that scene to be sure. is it when they retreat it looks like they suddenly shift rapidly away from them?

Yeah, it's force speed. It a reference to some of the latter 90's video games and such, but I always hated that power. Jedi aren't supposed to be superheroes.

Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 18, 2011, 09:32:58 PM
Yeah, it's force speed. It a reference to some of the latter 90's video games and such, but I always hated that power. Jedi aren't supposed to be superheroes.

Yeah...I just picked up on it recently. When I was younger, I used to think that the Destroyers were retreating and couldn't turn off their guns. I'm not a fan of that power at all.

:) I have a Clone pilot as my avatar because he does look cool let's be honest :)
Stormtroopers/Clone troopers have always been a fav of mine in all their variations BUT I do think they went overboard and made too many variations. Why? Because you would think that with all those different kinds of troopers around the Empire would have kept some variations or their various colour rankings or individual armour designs etc... But we see none of it in the classic trilogy (afew basic variations kept). I just think Lucas and co just got a tiny bit carried away or excited with lots of cool looks on offer and couldn't help themselves haha easily done.


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Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 18, 2011, 08:16:45 PM
OK I can understand what your saying here, I grew up with the classic trilogy (along with other classics like Ghostbusters, Goonies, BTTF, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Close Encounters etc....) they are very close to me and hold many memories ( I saw ROTJ at the cinema on it's original run  ;D )

On the other hand I saw the prequels and mainly TPM when I was 21/22, AOTC when I was 24 and ROTS when I was 27 so overall my opinion and outlook for the films was much harder and critical than most of you guys will have thought...Seeing as many of you were very young.
Someone who has grown up with the classic trilogy I believe will think the same where as someone growing up with new prequels will think differently mainly because they will be more used to or happy with cgi, thats the big factor here I think.

This. 

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 18, 2011, 09:21:20 PM
Yeah, probably true. I feel the same way about a lot of movies.

Also, in TPM, at the beginning with the Droidekas, do Obi Wan and Qui Gon really use force speed or something. Because I just picked up on that recently, and it look kind of...off  :-\

Next to the end battle, that is my favorite part of the movie, when Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon fight through to the control room.  Sent shivers down my spine seeing "jedi in their prime" for the first time. 
Anyways, I think the effect was done poorly and makes them look like they are moving faster then they should be.  Jedi are supposed to have better, stronger, faster abilities so I don't mind seeing that.  I just think that particular effect was overdone.

Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 19, 2011, 12:50:50 AM
:) I have a Clone pilot as my avatar because he does look cool let's be honest :)
Stormtroopers/Clone troopers have always been a fav of mine in all their variations BUT I do think they went overboard and made too many variations. Why? Because you would think that with all those different kinds of troopers around the Empire would have kept some variations or their various colour rankings or individual armour designs etc... But we see none of it in the classic trilogy (afew basic variations kept). I just think Lucas and co just got a tiny bit carried away or excited with lots of cool looks on offer and couldn't help themselves haha easily done.

That stuff was all intentional. If you watch all six films in order you'll notice a gradual draining of colour and style as the galaxy grows more corrupt and utilitarian under Palpatine's thumb. The Republic goes from the height of Space Nouveau decadence to Close Encounters of the Fourth Reich in the course of four films. This obviously applied to the Stormtroopers as well, and by the time of A New Hope the most variation you'll see in a soldier is an orange shoulder pauldron and maybe some weathering.

Only two real problems I have with Attack of the Clones is:

-The stupid f**king romance segments (save for entering the arena)
-The ridiculous looking fight between Yoda and Count Dooku (save for Yoda using to force to hold back the debris)

I thought Ewan McGreggor was fantastic as Obi Wan the whole way through, and I found his rivalry with Jango Fett to be very fun to watch. I found aside from finding his mom, Anakin was left in the shit for this one.

Helluva lot of fun to watch for me, it's still one of my favorite parts of watching the saga.

^ allot of Tron sigs n avatars in this forum these days hehe ;)

Sticks: I see what your saying but there is still quite allot of armour variation on the troopers in ROTS, I also don't understand why the Empire would want to cut back on the variations and colour rankings, what's wrong with it?

OK gonna moan at AOTC quickly, I thought it atad corny that Anakins mother just happens to die in his arms conveniently at the precise time he pops in to rescue her, more realistic and hard hitting to have found her dead.

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Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 19, 2011, 01:46:50 AM
OK gonna moan at AOTC quickly, I thought it atad corny that Anakins mother just happens to die in his arms conveniently at the precise time he pops in to rescue her, more realistic and hard hitting to have found her dead.

I always thought it was because she held on until she saw Anakin again. I think she even hints at that in her final words.

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Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 19, 2011, 01:46:50 AM
OK gonna moan at AOTC quickly, I thought it atad corny that Anakins mother just happens to die in his arms conveniently at the precise time he pops in to rescue her, more realistic and hard hitting to have found her dead.

I always thought it was because she held on until she saw Anakin again. I think she even hints at that in her final words.

That's what I got from it too. She saw her son, felt that her life was complete, and finally lost the will to live.

Well Primarily I chose TESB simply for what it is, the milestone in the legacy and the first real continuation.

Phantom Menace for making me a fan through and through. I found star wars cool until 1999 (was about 10 years old) but when the Phantom Menace came out my breath was simply taken away.
Apart from the nostalgia, I still think that Episode one had the best choreographed sword fight in it (duell of the fates) since there was an actual martial artist in the role of Darth Maul. Besides there's no denying that lightsaber-battles are fundamental in the SW universe and a valid criteria.

Last but not least "revenge", because it's emotionally the most involving film in the saga and happens to show us what we all wanted to see/why the prequels where made-> Anakin's turn to the dark side.

Now I am well aware of the fact that the prequels lack many things that the original films had, especially the acting performance. Yet I've learned to accept them with their flaws and also with their greatness, therefore making 2 of those worthy of "My top 3".

Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 19, 2011, 01:21:18 AM
Only two real problems I have with Attack of the Clones is:

-The stupid f**king romance segments (save for entering the arena)
-The ridiculous looking fight between Yoda and Count Dooku (save for Yoda using to force to hold back the debris)

I thought Ewan McGreggor was fantastic as Obi Wan the whole way through, and I found his rivalry with Jango Fett to be very fun to watch. I found aside from finding his mom, Anakin was left in the shit for this one.

Helluva lot of fun to watch for me, it's still one of my favorite parts of watching the saga.

I really enjoy Attack of the Clones, weaknesses and all. Seeing a different interpretation of the Fett-man is always a treat, though my favourite scene was on the factory floor - it's all about sex. So many Freudian horrors.

Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 19, 2011, 01:46:50 AM
Sticks: I see what your saying but there is still quite allot of armour variation on the troopers in ROTS, I also don't understand why the Empire would want to cut back on the variations and colour rankings, what's wrong with it?

Look at any successful dictatorship, anywhere in history - individuality and personality weren't valued traits. The Nazis weren't trying to distinguish themselves as indivuals, and neither were members of the Roman legion, nor Napolean's forces, nor the Imperials. Not only is the lack of colour historically logical, it's part of the metaphor.

Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 19, 2011, 01:46:50 AM
OK gonna moan at AOTC quickly, I thought it atad corny that Anakins mother just happens to die in his arms conveniently at the precise time he pops in to rescue her, more realistic and hard hitting to have found her dead.

Star Wars has never been about realism; it's about monomyth. She'd die in his arms in any Greek tragedy or Biblical fable as well.

Of course you all realise the turning of Anakin to the dark side could of been explained in just one film or less haha ;)
If you watch the 'redlettermedia' reviews it's explained very well how and the fact that SW shouldn't simply revolve around Vader/Anakin as the classic trilogy didn't yet the prequels do too much. SW isn't soley about Vader/Anakin, that's what makes the classic trilogy so good because there are many stories and characters which are woven so well, it's not all about one person.

As for Anakins mum dying when he shows up I still find that silly, the fact she 'hangs on' for him doesn't work...for me anyway, as a certain someone would say....it's illogical.

I voted for ROTS, that one have so many great moments. Ewan McGregor is perfect as Obi-Wan. Not too young like in the other prequels, and not too old like in the original movie. He's perfectly balanced. The fight between him and Anakin was amazing, still think I like the one between Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon and Darth Maul in Episode I better though.

Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 19, 2011, 02:32:39 AM
Of course you all realise the turning of Anakin to the dark side could of been explained in just one film or less haha ;)
If you watch the 'redlettermedia' reviews it's explained very well how and the fact that SW shouldn't simply revolve around Vader/Anakin as the classic trilogy didn't yet the prequels do too much. SW isn't soley about Vader/Anakin, that's what makes the classic trilogy so good because there are many stories and characters which are woven so well, it's not all about one person.

As for Anakins mum dying when he shows up I still find that silly, the fact she 'hangs on' for him doesn't work...for me anyway, as a certain someone would say....it's illogical.

I agree partly, but throughout the original trilogy Vader took a rather important role. Him being the most ambiguous figure makes it enough interesting to attach the greatest importance of the prequels to Anakin's turn.

However I do also think that there are so many individual great stories being told in every single film and that's what makes them so great.

Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 19, 2011, 02:32:39 AM
If you watch the 'redlettermedia' reviews

This is where I stopped reading. The next time I hear about that Red Letter Media bullshit I'm going to roll up my sleeves and publish my own forty hour critical response, if no one else will stand up for these films. Good lord.

Lol! Chillax my friend, I love SW but I did find his observations very amusing and insightful.

Didn't I mention the casting of Don Cheadle or Denzel Washington awhile back as Windu? Am I the only person to think that Jackson was a poor choice? A matter of big name status over quality? Opinions please...

He wanted to be in Star Wars, so Lucas let him.

Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 19, 2011, 02:45:26 AM
Lol! Chillax my friend, I love SW but I did find his observations very amusing and insightful.

Didn't I mention the casting of Don Cheadle or Denzel Washington awhile back as Windu? Am I the only person to think that Jackson was a poor choice? A matter of big name status over quality? Opinions please...

No chillaxing, Star Wars is my flesh and blood. Enemy at the f**king gates.

Jackson was fantastic. Rule of cool, any other casting would have been missing the point of the character.

Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 19, 2011, 02:45:26 AM
Lol! Chillax my friend, I love SW but I did find his observations very amusing and insightful.

Didn't I mention the casting of Don Cheadle or Denzel Washington awhile back as Windu? Am I the only person to think that Jackson was a poor choice? A matter of big name status over quality? Opinions please...

Jackson definitely didn't have the presence of a Jedi at all, Denzel Washington would have been a better choice and given a bit more credibilty to the jedi  council. A council that is nothing short of an embarassment to what I hoped the jedi would have been after watching Episode 1.

As for Samuel L. Jackson again, I just see in every moment of the movie how uncomfortable he is in that role. Especially in the scenes with Yoda, you could think he has a remote detonator on the back of his head, making it impossible to act freely. Of course, some horrid directing from Lucas' side must have done the rest of the damage.

^^ Take a deep breath, slow down, wipe the sweat from your brow ;)

I think that reason is exactly why Jackson shouldn't have been Mace, it's not about being cool but being a spiritual leader and warrior, this isn't 'Kick Ass' we're talking about, I think the role needed a more serious casting, more gravitas and wisdom basically. Jackson looked the part but his personality isn't right, a young Morgan Freeman would have been perfect in an ideal world, but for me Washington would have done it spot on, he looks strong and worldly, wise and epic.

^ Your right about him looking uncomfortable too, in the greenscreen shots and lightsaber fights he looks hilariously bad. Again I must refer to 'redlettermedia' as he made a valid point, Lucas only cast Jackson to appeal to a young audience (mainly black obviously)...hence the 'cool' factor rears its ugly head again.

Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 19, 2011, 02:38:01 AM

Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 19, 2011, 02:32:39 AM
If you watch the 'redlettermedia' reviews

This is where I stopped reading. The next time I hear about that Red Letter Media bullshit I'm going to roll up my sleeves and publish my own forty hour critical response, if no one else will stand up for these films. Good lord.

behead those who insult Star Wars.

Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 19, 2011, 02:57:38 AM
he looks strong and worldly, wise and epic.

Oh he would have been one awesome jedi!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb_9icqB1SA#noexternalembed-ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb_9icqB1SA#noexternalembed-ws)

If he could pull of a mixture between jesus and blade, he'll definitely would have had the thing for a wise jedi master on the same level of consciousness as Yoda.

^ Exactly, if Lucas had cast Wesley Snipes in the role it would have been wrong, cool yes but wrong, same with Jackson, as I said it's not really about being cool when playing a Jedi Master. Don't wanna repeat myself but Lucas only cast Jackson as he was a big name and would attract the young/black/teen audience who know Jackson from ultra cool films like 'Pulp Fiction', hence he wanted and opted for the 'cool' Jedi, in my eyes one of many mistakes with the prequels.

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Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 19, 2011, 03:14:10 AM
^ Exactly, if Lucas had cast Wesley Snipes in the role it would have been wrong, cool yes but wrong, same with Jackson, as I said it's not really about being cool when playing a Jedi Master. Don't wanna repeat myself but Lucas only cast Jackson as he was a big name and would attract the young/black/teen audience who know Jackson from ultra cool films like 'Pulp Fiction', hence he wanted and opted for the 'cool' Jedi, in my eyes one of many mistakes with the prequels.

I present you with the award for worst post of the day.

^ LOL! but I'm not wrong am I ;)

Yes, you are. That's why we're saying it's the worst post of the day.

Come on, your telling me Jackson is a better choice than Washington for Mace? Really? Pointless argument I know but I'm willing to bet any money that Washington would of been more 'epic'.

And your telling me you DON'T think Lucas cast Jackson to get the teen audience more interested? Or simply to add a hip cool big name to the prequels??

I accept cash and credit via Paypal. Have a nice day.

Jackson was Perfect for Mace Windu.

Washington? I don't think so.

Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 19, 2011, 04:26:04 AM
Come on, your telling me Jackson is a better choice than Washington for Mace? Really?

What? What difference would that have made? It'd be the same character, but Jackson is just better known for his cool. Don't get me wrong, Washington is an amazing actor, but this was Jackson's role. Simple as that.

Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 19, 2011, 04:26:04 AM
more 'epic'.

So I guess that would mean that Lucas would be shooting for the young/white/stereotypical teen crowd?

Thing is Windu wasn't cool.
He sat around being emotionless and boring and then died, like all the Jedi I guess.

You despicable Pyg.

oink oink

All the Jedi were boring and stupid. They sat there talking about how the dark side was clouding their judgment and...that was it. They just sat their...and talked. Jesus, it's no wonder Palpatine took over so easily. The Sith actually plot and do stuff. Jedi just sit and talk. And anything they do do is in no way involved with the overall plot.

Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 19, 2011, 04:55:28 AM
All the Jedi were boring and stupid. They sat there talking about how the dark side was clouding their judgment and...that was it. They just sat their...and talked. Jesus, it's no wonder Palpatine took over so easily. The Sith actually plot and do stuff. Jedi just sit and talk. And anything they do do is in no way involved with the overall plot.

That was the point.

Sometimes, being online leaves me feeling like Steve-O from Jackass, voluntarily pole vaulting into a fetid pond full of dead dogs and poo.

Doesn't matter, it's not good writing to make your heroes idiots, I don't care if it was on purpose. Almost makes it worse.

Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 19, 2011, 05:00:38 AM
Sometimes, being online leaves me feeling like Steve-O from Jackass, voluntarily pole vaulting into a fetid pond full of dead dogs and poo.

Well thank you Cate, because I've got a giant freaking CGI spider trying to crawl up my ass, and that thing was designed by Weta, and when Weta designs something you know it's one f**k ugly son of a bitch trying to crawl up your ass.

*ahem* Okay, crudeness out of system. Maybe.

My votes go to: Empire, phantom, and ROTJ

Phantom: I saw this 14 times in theaters when I was 13. It was just magical. At the time I had a subscription to cinescape magazine and they had been buzzing about it since 1997. So, I had been anticipating it for a while. Going to see it was like an event. It took 2 weeks for my family to finally get tickets. I still remember the theater vibrating when the shuttle carrying Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan zoomed across the screen. Also, getting to see the jedi order for the first time was just awesome along with two jedi fighting as a team against a sith lord.

Empire: What I can say for this movie has already been said by many. The bleakness of the middle chapter was great. The relationships between the characters, The arrival of 2 new cool charcaters, the hoth battle, and the first decent lightsaber fight of the original series (episode IV's sucked).

Rotj: First, the movies space battle is still the best of the franchise (ROTS had to much fake looking cg). I for one love the ewoks. Also, after ROTJ we got those cool ewok movies  :D. And of course the emperor finally shows up to tempt luke to the darkside himself.

Sweeper: OK I'm confused, how would casting Denzel Washington as Mace pander to the young/white/stereotypical crowd because he is more 'epic'?? I said casting Jackson was an obvious ploy by Lucas to attract young teens ,probably mainly black, because Jackson is a cool hip current actor and will resonate with that exact crowd...strongly. So the argument that my suggestion of Washington would get young White teens involved makes no sense.

Again....casting someone as a Jedi because they are cool isn't the right idea!! That's why Washington would have been so much better because he has a strong presence, he looks tough and has an 'epic' quality about him, he basically is a Jedi lol!! (much like Neeson I might add).
Jackson is nowhere near the actor Washington is and ,as most of you have said, was merely cast because he is 'cool' which is weak. As TangAkkai said Jackson looked totally out of place in many sequences throughout and he just didn't fit the SW type of actors used, not the right kind of film for Jackson. Shooting guns and swearing allot yes, being a spiritual, wise 'sword' wielding Master of a religious order...errrr no.

Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 19, 2011, 08:15:20 AM
Sweeper: OK I'm confused, how would casting Denzel Washington as Mace pander to the young/white/stereotypical crowd because he is more 'epic'?? I said casting Jackson was an obvious ploy by Lucas to attract young teens ,probably mainly black, because Jackson is a cool hip current actor and will resonate with that exact crowd...strongly. So the argument that my suggestion of Washington would get young White teens involved makes no sense.

My god man, you sound like an 80 year old woman.

Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 19, 2011, 03:57:53 PM

Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 19, 2011, 08:15:20 AM
Sweeper: OK I'm confused, how would casting Denzel Washington as Mace pander to the young/white/stereotypical crowd because he is more 'epic'?? I said casting Jackson was an obvious ploy by Lucas to attract young teens ,probably mainly black, because Jackson is a cool hip current actor and will resonate with that exact crowd...strongly. So the argument that my suggestion of Washington would get young White teens involved makes no sense.

My god man, you sound like an 80 year old woman.

What?! What has his post got to do with "sounding like an 80 year old woman"?

He is just discussing and people get all personal in this thread...

Generalization of young people.. and black people.

Guys, chill. Srsly.

I am chill..

Sippin' on gin and juice
Laid back
With my mind on my credits and my credits on my mind

You forgot the indo.

I voted for episodes 3 and 6 on the poll since they're my favorites and have the best action. Of course, that isn't to say I don't enjoy all six movies equally, I find all of them fantastic with plenty of science fiction, action, adventure, and whatnot to make it all interesting. 8)

Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 19, 2011, 03:14:10 AM
^ Exactly, if Lucas had cast Wesley Snipes in the role it would have been wrong, cool yes but wrong, same with Jackson, as I said it's not really about being cool when playing a Jedi Master. Don't wanna repeat myself but Lucas only cast Jackson as he was a big name and would attract the young/black/teen audience who know Jackson from ultra cool films like 'Pulp Fiction', hence he wanted and opted for the 'cool' Jedi, in my eyes one of many mistakes with the prequels.

First, no offense, but this is a very ignorant thing to say regarding age and race.  These films already have a built in fanbase and have no need to cast certain actors to attract any particular audience. 

Second, Jackson's character was supposed to be cool, calm and collective - because the Jedi mindset is cool, calm and collective.

Third, Jackson is an A list actor who did an awesome job in this film.  He added a sophistication to his role, and that is why he was cast. 

you are taking things way too seriously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB-xJseMpps#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB-xJseMpps#ws)

Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Jan 19, 2011, 06:51:51 PM

Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 19, 2011, 03:14:10 AM
^ Exactly, if Lucas had cast Wesley Snipes in the role it would have been wrong, cool yes but wrong, same with Jackson, as I said it's not really about being cool when playing a Jedi Master. Don't wanna repeat myself but Lucas only cast Jackson as he was a big name and would attract the young/black/teen audience who know Jackson from ultra cool films like 'Pulp Fiction', hence he wanted and opted for the 'cool' Jedi, in my eyes one of many mistakes with the prequels.

First, no offense, but this is a very ignorant thing to say regarding age and race.  These films already have a built in fanbase and have no need to cast certain actors to attract any particular audience. 

Second, Jackson's character was supposed to be cool, calm and collective - because the Jedi mindset is cool, calm and collective.

Third, Jackson is an A list actor who did an awesome job in this film.  He added a sophistication to his role, and that is why he was cast.

THANK YOU.

My 2 cents? Jackson was a mistake. He's a tremendous actor, with talent coming out of his ass. It was wrong watching him in AOTC, because at the end of the movie, at least for me, I felt cheated that he was nothing more than a background character at best. His reputation means that as soon as you see him on screen, you instantly feel that he's going to take you for a ride, and in AOTC, he wasn't allowed to. There are 100 actors that could have pulled off his role convincingly. Why cast him? Forest Whitaker for example could have played the quiet, stoic Jedi part more than convincingly, and wouldn't have looked one bit out of place. People don't expect the same kind of character or performance from him that they do from Jackson.

But choices like that Jackson are par for the course I suppose. Giving Hayden the lead tells you all you need to know about that.

Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 19, 2011, 07:52:22 PM
Giving Hayden the lead tells you all you need to know about that.

Speaking of which, who are some actors you guys would have sought out for the role of Anakin Skywalker?

Spoiler

First person to say Robert Pattinson gets disintegrated.

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James Franco, maybe.

Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 19, 2011, 07:56:17 PM
Speaking of which, who are some actors you guys would have sought out for the role of Anakin Skywalker?

Spoiler

First person to say Robert Pattinson gets disintegrated.

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Would have been totally impossible to cast, but I always imagined the young Anakin Skywalker to be a little more Jon Finch. The role is essentially a dead-walking Macbeth.

Jake Gyllenhall perhaps?

As much as I hated Donnie Darko, I have to admit that he played the 'troubled, conflicted young man' very well. Slightly apathetic even at times. But as we've seen in his more recent films that he has a good range. Over the two films, I think he would have been more than capable of exhibiting Anakins transition. He conveys 'broody' very well. For me anyway.

Hayden came across as a sulky, petulant teenager throughout. And before anyone says that was kind of the point, no it wasn't. It was done all wrong. Anakin/Vader is supposed to have been one of the most powerful Jedi to have lived. In my opinion, he should have shown more natural restraint and control on the surface, with a hint of the frustration and cynicism he was feeling inside. Not acting like a 12 year old kid whose mum had just confiscated his Xbox for the weekend everytime Obi-Wan was off screen.

Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 19, 2011, 09:01:30 PM
Jake Gyllenhall perhaps?

As much as I hated Donnie Darko, I have to admit that he played the 'troubled, conflicted young man' very well. Slightly apathetic even at times. But as we've seen in his more recent films that he has a good range. Over the two films, I think he would have been more than capable of exhibiting Anakins transition. He conveys 'broody' very well. For me anyway.

Hayden came across as a sulky, petulant teenager throughout. And before anyone says that was kind of the point, no it wasn't. It was done all wrong. Anakin/Vader is supposed to have been one of the most powerful Jedi to have lived. In my opinion, he should have shown more natural restraint and control on the surface, with a hint of the frustration and cynicism he was feeling inside. Not acting like a 12 year old kid whose mum had just confiscated his Xbox for the weekend everytime Obi-Wan was off screen.

yep.

also Jake Gyllenhall could actually work.

Quote from: TJ Doc on Jan 19, 2011, 07:57:31 PM
James Franco, maybe.

Yup. Said that before on other occassions. Hell they even look similar. Franco is becoming a favourite actor of mine, putting in some cracking performances over the last 3 years. I think he would have been fantastic.

Quote from: TJ Doc on Jan 19, 2011, 07:57:31 PM
James Franco, maybe.

Very good choice.

If I'm to come up with one of my own, perhaps Joseph Gordon-Levitt?

*Puts on speed shoes, just in case*

Levitt and Franco are two good choices. I had James Marsden in mind.

What no Dicaprio!!??

;D

Ps. not trying to stir up crapola but I did read somewhere that Star Wars is actually not a popular film with black people because there aren't many black people in it simply, apart from Billy Dee mainly, hence why Lucas felt the need to open the main characters up to everyone with the prequels, don't shoot the messenger ;) Personally I would of gone with someone else but hey.

I may have tried to squeeze Sam Neill or Charles Dance in there somewhere. Oh and I can't believe episode III is actually almost level with 'A New Hope'!!!

Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 20, 2011, 12:24:31 AM
don't shoot the messenger ;)

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Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 20, 2011, 12:24:31 AM
What no Dicaprio!!??

Would have suggested it, but he seems a bit too old for it now. But then again, he's not exactly old looking at all.

Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 20, 2011, 12:24:31 AM
Ps. not trying to stir up crapola but I did read somewhere that Star Wars is actually not a popular film with black people because there aren't many black people in it simply, apart from Billy Dee mainly, hence why Lucas felt the need to open the main characters up to everyone with the prequels, don't shoot the messenger ;) Personally I would of gone with someone else but hey.

Please. Please stop talking about this right now. You look like a fool.

Did anyone know that Jonathan Brandis auditioned for the role of Anakin in AOTC? He didnt get the part of course and shortly afterwards committed suicide.

Btw, I'm not saying his failure to land the role was his reason for his suicide.

Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 20, 2011, 12:24:31 AM

Oh and I can't believe episode III is actually almost level with 'A New Hope'!!!

I can. Episode III is a bloody good film. Sure its got plenty of flaws like every Star Wars film but at the risk of upsetting original trilogy purists who think the prequels are the work of the devil, I think its on a par with the original trilogy and makes the slightly disapointing Episodes I & II more worthwhile knowing thats what they ultimately lead up to.

The Order 66 scene was worth the price of admission alone. The dramatic sinister night of takeover with the Jedi Temple was amazing. There was a lot of emotional weight that the film conveyed wonderfully, but ultimately chose to ignore for reasons that I can read or listen to, but never understand.

I actually think Episode III seems to be all over the place for the first hour. Youve got a huge 20 minute action scene right off the bat culminating in the defeat of a sith, only to introduce a new antagonist who is then also killed 45 minutes later. It jumps all over the place and then everything comes together once order 66 is given and from that moment on.....wow.

Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 20, 2011, 07:51:03 AM
The Order 66 scene was worth the price of admission alone. The dramatic sinister night of takeover with the Jedi Temple was amazing. There was a lot of emotional weight that the film conveyed wonderfully, but ultimately chose to ignore for reasons that I can read or listen to, but never understand.

The Knightfall bit was based directly on a scene from a classic Russian silent film, Battleship Potemkin, on the Odessa steps. Both sequences are utterly bloodchilling.

Original Trilogy, hands-down.

There are aspects of the new ones I like, but those will always have a special place in my heart.

I like episode III but thet start when Anakin and Obi Wan are on Grevious ship is one horrible 'comedy' moment after another and the 'funny' dialog is terrible :-\

R2 D2 'playing' with the battle droids, Anakin leaping all over the place in the lift shaft, the one-two's between Anakin and Obi are positively embarrassing half the time, after all that its fine.

Those opening moments look particularly awkward when contrasted with the darker, more violent scenes that occur later.

Star Wars has always mixed Three Stooges humour with brutality and violence. Nothing new under the suns.

Except when comedy was applied in the originals... it was actually funny. And usually worked as a form of light relief. Not the case with Sith (a film which I otherwise enjoy).

Although, have at the comedy Ewoks if you must.

The problem with much of the Prequel humour was that it was one-off. In the Original Trilogy it was almost always between Artoo and Threepio, Han and Threepio, or Chewie and Han. You had character foils. There was never a character foil for Jar Jar, so everyone ended up hating him as a character.

Nah man, the Ewoks are terrifying. 'Yub-nub' translates as 'devour the weak', after all.

Oh. Suddenly all those musical stormtrooper helmets the Ewoks were banging on during the final celebration don't seem quite so innocent.

They were going to eat everyone before - I don't think there's any question as to what was on the menu at the celebration banquet.

Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 20, 2011, 05:37:05 AM

Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 20, 2011, 12:24:31 AM
Ps. not trying to stir up crapola but I did read somewhere that Star Wars is actually not a popular film with black people because there aren't many black people in it simply, apart from Billy Dee mainly, hence why Lucas felt the need to open the main characters up to everyone with the prequels, don't shoot the messenger ;) Personally I would of gone with someone else but hey.

Please. Please stop talking about this right now. You look like a fool.

I know right, didn't we already have this discussion? 

^ Ah but what I say is accurate ;) It may have been on a doc I saw sometime ago, can't remember, even 'Redlettermedia' guy says so ;) love that man lol

Geez that poll is tighter than a haddocks bathing suit!!

Personally I liked the Ewoks  ;D I think they were pretty original concepts, had their own cool unique real lanuage and aren't that far from creatures that actually could exsist (bit like Wookies) ie. they are maybe what would happen if certain mammals like bears advanced in evolution, or smaller mammals. I also liked their tribal look, war machines, weapons, tree villages etc...they were really well thought out if you ask me, just because they were little 'Care Bear' type creatures everyone thought they sucked. They had cool colour markings and great names too like Logray, Wicket, Cheirpa, Lumat, Teebo, Paploo etc...

Are Ewoks a form of Wookie? don't think they are, I think they are a seperate species completely.


Thing I hate about Jar Jar is firstly the way he talks...its lame and childish and secondly he's just TOO stupid, jokey and 'Three Stooge' like, I just can't see why Lucas would make him THAT dumb. C3PO and R2 are good as light humour, you can live with it and it does raise a smile because you can almost relate to their unfortunate circumstances at times PLUS they don't take it that far and what they did do wasn't that childish. Most of the best little bits was in ROTJ with the Ewoks actually, short quick little moments that made you smile, thats all you needed.
What Lucas did with Jar Jar was just over the top and virtually as babyish as a Disney character, one of the cutesy little animal/object creatures that always befriends the main character.

I also hated the rather long sequence with a fully cgi 3PO being tossed all over the place on Geonosis in AOTC, it looked like a flippin cartoon and made 3PO to much the butt of a pratfall joke (there were some terrible actor/cgi moments in AOTC in the Geonosian 'hive').

Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 21, 2011, 01:27:34 AM
^ Ah but what I say is accurate ;) It may have been on a doc I saw sometime ago, can't remember, even 'Redlettermedia' guy says so ;) love that man lol

Bitch, please.

Go read something, it'll be good for your brain:

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-fan-writes-108page-rebuttal-red-letter-medias-phantom-menace-review/ (http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-fan-writes-108page-rebuttal-red-letter-medias-phantom-menace-review/)

Hehe you can call me bitch anyday darling ;)

So there's now a positive review from someone about the prequels or TPM haha I agree with what it says about SW fans now being totally divided, there's a civil war amongst the flock and the Trekkies are loving it!! ;D doesn't matter we can still bitchslap a Spock sucking Kirk lover anyday.

So no comments on my praise for Ewoks?

Who is this woman in your avatar????

Read it, you might learn something about cognition. It's everything I've ever wanted to say about your RLM bullshit and more. It's wonderful.

Her name is Stacey Nelkin and she was originally cast as Pris for Blade Runner. Let's not change the subject, though.

I just tried to watch that RLM review, before reading the letter, but damn it, I can't stand that guy's voice. :-\

I'm incredulous that people can loathe Jar Jar in one breathe and laud that guy in the next. Bloody hell.

It takes a while to get used to. I hated it the first time I tried watching, but I tried again and eventually got used to it and was able to laugh. The guy calls Jar Jar a "loathsome c**t." :D

Part of the humor comes from how over the top meticulous he is about little details.

I think his voice is put on somewhat I dunno for sure, as for that 'positive review' its just someone who clearly doesn't like the RLM reviews so he going through them and doing what RLM did to SW lol!

I don't understand the hate for RLM, OK if you like SW fine but why get so wound up over it? many people dislike the prequels and RLM points out the many flaws thats all, its not like everyone loves them and he's trying to spoil the party, huge numbers dislike them haha there's even a film about people hating them!
At the end of the day I love SW and kinda like the prequels in 'bits' but I can also see the humour and accurate points RLM makes at the same time and I'm fine with both arguments. The one thing I tend to think of is this, yes I did like the prequels here and there BUT if I could go back and remake, redesign or rethink them I would...I totally would do tonnes of it again because I think allot of it was done incorrectly (not badly, just not quite hitting the mark, reason? I think Lucas didn't listen to others or consult on ideas, everyone around him are 'yes men'). Many fans I believe would say the same ,even ones that liked the prequels, and that speaks volumes about the prequels which basically you can't really ignore.

Read the rebuttal, Hubbs. Failing that, think for yourself. RLM is inaccurate, brims with loaded terms and misleads, and falls apart with the faintest examination. Citing those videos isn't a valid argument, and as others have mentioned, you're making yourself look like an idiot. Give it a rest.

Of course the voice is put on.
It's part of the act, its funny.


Oh and SS you got some major butthurt going on, chill.

fo reals dawgs. chilllllllllll.
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f**kin saved

Misleads, loaded terms, inaccurate, examination?? this is just a review on Star Wars guy, this isn't a review on Dickens and Victorian life lol I think you and that review are blowing this way outta preportion in a desperate attempt to savage the prequels dignity and how can they not be a valid argument? the review lays out the simple problems one after the other in easy chapters for all to understand clearly haha lets not treat this as federal case now, just Star Wars, not the Watergate scandal, doesn't matter how clever you think your being with big words and indepth examinations...its just Star Wars with a simple accurate review, nothing more nothing less. Fact is most find it funny and true to what they thought apon seeing the prequels, the guy is saying it how it is.

I'm thinking this other review done by a SW 'fan' may have some other closer relation to the prequels that we don't know of.

Quote from: Huol on Jan 21, 2011, 02:25:51 AM
Oh and SS you got some major butthurt going on, chill.

Yeah, I do. But I think it's a pretty valid butthurt. Star Wars is something I've been fundamentally connected to all my life, and as a consequence of exercising that affection I've had to listen to more idiotic diatribes on the subject than I have fingers and toes. I'm manifesting my frustration and defending a defining aspect of my outlook on life.

That said, eh. I'm done.

Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 21, 2011, 02:34:02 AM
Misleads, loaded terms, inaccurate, examination?? this is just a review on Star Wars guy, this isn't a review on Dickens and Victorian life lol I think you and that review are blowing this way outta preportion in a desperate attempt to savage the prequels dignity and how can they not be a valid argument? the review lays out the simple problems one after the other in easy chapters for all to understand clearly haha lets not treat this as federal case now, just Star Wars, not the Watergate scandal, doesn't matter how clever you think your being with big words and indepth examinations...its just Star Wars with a simple accurate review, nothing more nothing less. Fact is most find it funny and true to what they thought apon seeing the prequels, the guy is saying it how it is.

I'm thinking this other review done by a SW 'fan' may have some other closer relation to the prequels that we don't know of.

'It's just an opinion, it's not a big deal!' Okay, I really am done here. Bah. Whoosh.

^ No probs, I like how faithful and keen you are about SW and how you defend it but what do you mean by this...

QuoteStar Wars is something I've been fundamentally connected to all my life

How old are you? have you worked on the films in some way? know someone connected to the films backstage or casting wise? I'm just curious :)

*sigh*

No Hubbs. I'm not a Lucasfilm pawn. There is no international conspiracy. Get over it.

So what! I'm a huge Star Wars fan myself and it was a big part of my childhood, adolesence... but that doesn't stop me to talk about its weaknesses (which it definitely has), if it's now casting or something else doesn't matter. This is a board and one is free to discuss. I've seen some of the most childish posts of the community on this board, get your a grip on yourself!

Come on guys. This isn't the school playground. Polite discourse or GTFO.

^GTFO!? thats not very polite lol! :) unless I'm translating it incorrectly hehe

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Haha...roger roger.

Quote from: Hubbs on Jan 21, 2011, 02:47:02 AM
^ No probs, I like how faithful and keen you are about SW and how you defend it but what do you mean by this...

QuoteStar Wars is something I've been fundamentally connected to all my life

How old are you? have you worked on the films in some way? know someone connected to the films backstage or casting wise? I'm just curious :)

Hubbs you didn't know that it is an industry standard that you must be over 30 and have worked backstage for all of the films before you can be connected to them?  Despite the logical reason being...

Spoiler

Star Wars was, is and always will be an awesome Sci Fi movie franchise that needs no other reason for any person to absolutely love it for most of their natural life

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Thank you, Alice.

Personally, I love the SW films but I hated -then felt nothing for- the prequels. However, if someone does like them, I don't get all condescending.

New Hope and Empire will always be where my heart is, especially growing up next to a space center,  but honestly Revenge of the Sith is above Return of the Jedi on my list.  The reason is, it gave the answers.  There many things I didn't like (implication of Anakin killing children), but for the franchise I liked how Sith put it together.   Besides the Ewoks were annoying, not cute  :P.

Honestly....anyone still get a little choked up when that Ewok gets killed in the Endor Moon battle? :)

I like Ewoks :)

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Quote from: TJ Doc on Jan 22, 2011, 02:05:41 PM
http://de.acidcow.com/pics/20091126/star_wars_heroes_on_facebook_02.jpg

;D

So I'm not alone...I feel comforted :)

I chose 4,5,6.
For more information go to www.redlettermedia.com (http://www.redlettermedia.com)
ha-ha-ha

Quote from: Badmothafcka312 on Jan 23, 2011, 06:46:49 PM
I chose 4,5,6.
For more information go to www.redlettermedia.com (http://www.redlettermedia.com)
ha-ha-ha

No. Just no.

Quote from: Keg on Jan 23, 2011, 06:58:37 PM
No. Just no.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg-WFkkKOaU# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg-WFkkKOaU#)

Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 23, 2011, 07:00:09 PM

Quote from: Keg on Jan 23, 2011, 06:58:37 PM
No. Just no.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg-WFkkKOaU# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg-WFkkKOaU#)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78O7ON7V1Ik# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78O7ON7V1Ik#)

Hahaha I love that whole scene from Tremors. The lines and the acting to boot, are cheesy as hell and everything comes across horrible where it cuts to each actor who is waiting in turn to do their celebration....and I bloody love it.

Full Version - Nestor I want you to wait for Melvin to finish celebrating before pumping the air with your cap in a very camp fashion. Then when Nestor is finished I want Nancy to do a little cry of joy and when shes finished overacting can Rhonda do some kind of cheesy cheer. Thanks...and action!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjuSKlqFfg4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjuSKlqFfg4#)

Haha, I know. That entire scene is hilarious! ;D

Has everyone voted?? its much tighter than I thought it would be.