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Speaking for the first time about the subject since Gearbox was dropped from the Aliens: Colonial Marines lawsuit to Games Industry.biz, Gearbox CEO Randy Pitchford has said that the lawsuit against Gearbox for the false advertisement of Aliens: Colonial Marines was ” a huge waste of time” and that their standing up against the lawsuit was “all it took“:

“That whole thing was a huge waste of time. The market proved it was doing its job perfectly. The market is dispassionate – rewarding what it likes and punishing what it doesn’t. There is an objectivity and fairness in the open market’s harsh, firm justice.

For every place the market succeeded, the legal system failed as it was being manipulated by what appeared to me to be essentially mafia style extortion tactics. Sadly, the manipulation would have actually worked, as it had in other cases with those same guys and to the detriment of the industry and gamers and actual, you know, justice. But those guys made a mistake in naming us as defendants because we stood up to them That’s all it took – someone to stand up yo them. And so they lost since they didn’t have a legitimate case.”

What do you guys and girls think of Randy Pitchford’s comments? Is he right? Thanks to Destructoid for the news.

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We should crucify this liar

Your game was a total waste of time.

Randy Pitchford for president!

Randy has it's head up it ass.

As for the lawsuit: wrong basis to procecute Gearbox on IMO.

Not one shred of remorse. I don't get it. How can one person be so arrogant? If he actually owned up to it, it wouldn't be so bad. I guess we can take pleasure in the fact, publishers aren't exactly going to be lining up to hire them to develop games. That said, I will be looking forward to Borderlands 3.

Randy Pitchford is the Donald Trump of computer games

Quote from: Darkness on Jul 10, 2015, 02:11:59 PM
Not one shred of remorse. I don't get it. How can one person be so arrogant? If he actually owned up to it, it wouldn't be so bad.

That's why I reckon he'd make a  great politician.

I can't say I'm surprised folks. We all know the game was a flop on multiple levels. GBX knew it wasn't ready after all the time was lost due to scrapping the whole project and starting over midway with Timegate. It was a bad game by many standards. People don't sue video game publishers or developers because they made a pile of crap.

Ultimately, yes, it was insulting to us, the Alien fanbase, for how they handled a franchise we all hold near and dear in our hearts that we didn't want to see massacred anymore. The suit was more on principal and the "false ads" premise was their argument. I'm glad they stood up to make a point but I can't say I was really expected a multi-million dollar company to lose against some angry fans.

Randy should've kept his f**king mouth shut if he had integrity left.. which he clearly has none of.

And that´s why I´ll never EVER buy a GBX game or product again!

Needs a firm kick in the balls.

I'm still shocked at this guy, I would hide myself from the public eye for the rest of my days for the disaster that was A:CM. But no he can just laugh about it and appear like nothing he did was wrong. Then well done Randy you turned a potential cashcow into a clusterf**k, your loss our lesson.

He exploited my dedication to the franchise with that piss poor excuse for a video game.

I hope he steps in a pile of dog shit first thing in the morning, everyday for the rest of his miserable life...

"That whole thing was a huge waste of time."

Like the game itself and the six f***ing years we waited for it... >:(

Well, I guess if anyone is an expert in huge wastes of time, it's you, Randy.

sad, sad little man.... He will get what he deserves in the end, they always do.

what a scumbag.

I did enjoy anticipating the game and I did enjoy discussing its development woes with the community as it happened through the years.  I picked up my copy of A:CM for $7.99 on Amazon nearly a year after I returned the game unopened on the second day after its release when the horrid reviews poured online. I don't think the game is worth more than $7.99. 

I will never buy another game from GBX.

The only justice for the fans imho came when Alien Isolation was released.  Thank Creative Assembly for doing what GBX was never capable of doing themselves!!

I think these comments are incredibly insulting to the development community, they are hateful and uncalled for. I get more personal messages from moderates to control myself, yet these comments from the community persist.
SHAME ON THIS!

Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Jul 10, 2015, 06:40:50 PM
"That whole thing was a huge waste of time."

Like the game itself and the six f***ing years we waited for it... >:(

Well said.

I know Pitchford isn't solely to blame, but I lost respect for him because he marched forward proudly and drummed up excitement for it like it was going to be the next best shooter.  Colonial Marines isn't a bad game, but for what was "promised" and advertised, it didn't come very close to delivering.

I've said it before, but I'd rather not give any more money to Gearbox.  Hopefully, they won't disappoint with the next Borderlands game... otherwise... I don't think they will be able to recover and that will be awful for all the people there who do work hard.

I feel like we as a community of like-interested individuals have a right to protest and defend our interests to an extent. I don't believe anyone here is doing anything wrong or harmful. Pitchford has dug himself into an infinitely deep hole in the Aliens community eyes, one where he shall never surface. We have little to no respect for the man or how he has handled this entire matter from concept to reality, from reception to this lawsuit being adjourned.

High hopes were crushed and money was spent that can never be refunded. Personally, I love the collectors edition I purchased. I do not regret it. I enjoyed the game to an extent but I realize it wasn't half as awesome as it was promised.

Quote from: Jekku on Jul 11, 2015, 04:24:16 AM
Colonial Marines isn't a bad game,

Sorry to disagree with you but it was a bad game. AvP2010 was a game that alright but fell short of our expectations. A:CM was almost like they WANTED to insult us.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi613.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ftt211%2Fwindebieste%2FDarkSoulsWithRandy.jpg&hash=99d3a3820a456455b0e838a2d8327575c0349e51)

-Windebieste

This game was my biggest motivation to upgrade to a newer console. I wouldn't have bothered to dish out hundreds of dollars for a new console if I had known the game was going to be as big of a disappointment as it was. And I certainly wouldn't have preordered the collectors edition!! I feel I have a right to be pissed; as well as everyone else here who felt like they were taken advantage of.

But on a positive note, alien isolation was a pleasant surprise that came out of nowhere and exceeded my expectations!!

....... the game we were all waiting for is NOT the game we got. I would just like to know what happend to the build they showed off which looked great, was it all a prerendered cgi trailer masked as gameplay or did it never excist.

I will however be honest and tell you all that i still play it, not because its an amazing game but because i like the setting and seems  a lot of fun to play. Its a mess and looks nothing like what we all expected but i still see the potential to what it could have been.

Now if we could only get someone like "the creative assembly" to give us an "aliens colonial marines". I still now that it can be done, but we can thank Sega, Gearbox,Nerve studio and timegate studios for the fact that this will proberly never happen now.

To randy himself all i can say is F**K YOU. You lied to all of us, along with all your co-horts. You lied to the gaming press and here is the worst part you all pretty much got away with it.

You were all busy pointing fingers at each other and not taking any responsibility yourselves.......

Randy Pitchford just proves himself to be a joke of a human being saying that, his whole argument is precedented on his own voice saying "we never said the game was like that" when if you do a quick search on youtube you'll discover that the E3 footage that was highly used to sell the product at first instance was not in the finished product in fact there was no such trace of it ever being made for the game despite Pitchford himself saying the footage comes from the latter half of the second act or something like that (need to rewatch the footage again) which is directly saying this is in the game. It was used to advertise the game and the game didn't have it in the final product so to deny it being false advertising is utterly retarded when the evidence is plain for all to see. I mean they had all that time between the E3 footage and the game's release to say "the footage we showed you earlier is no longer in the game" they could have even have shown some actual footage but it seems they had so little faith in what they'd done that they didn't.

They sold a generic shooter with an Aliens mask I think we spent more time shooting Weyland Yutani personel than we did the title monster which became increasingly removed. I mean the promised footage from E3 was incredible that sold the game to pretty much everybody but we didn't get it and then Pitchford is surprised when people get angry with him. He knows he's guilty he even began blocking twitter users for saying they disliked the game even if it wasn't blaming him and just a simple statement of not being a fan of the game.To criticise the legal system from a viewpoint that holds no ground to do so is simply moronic. I know that legal system have their flaws (I work in that sector) but to say that people creating a lawsuit against him goes against justice is a f*cking joke.

I love how he thinks the justice system was bribed to hear the case because the claimants were using mafia tactics seriously what the f*ck? I appreciate I don't know every fact to do with the case but "mafia tactics" is he high? Rather than start bashing the people criticising him he should respect the criticism and work out what he was doing that was wrong, admit it (I know it's difficult for him) and work to right those wrongs. Randy Pitchford is a child who can't stand being told his creation sucks and thinks no one can say anything because his company created the successful Borderlands games which personally I'm not really a fan of but that's going off the point. I've read a load of stuff saying that Gearbox was pressured into the release and hadn't fully decided on the story when they released it.

Granted studio pressure is going to have a knock on effect but usually at that stage of development it probably won't affect that much of the finished product and more importantly given the amount of time Gearbox had been developing the game for and as it was building off a cancelled game but using similar mechanics and that cancelled game had produced footage itself I mean what was Pitchford and his team doing all this time? Sitting around and w*nking every time Bill Paxton said something funny in Aliens most likely. As you can probably tell I'm not too happy with Pitchford getting away with it nor am I impressed with the bullsh*t that spews from his mouth when he's criticised. The fact of the matter is whether he is CEO or whatever of Gearbox or not he should count himself lucky he still has a job following this.:-

Since the game released did not look close to the game in demos on release date the multiplayer is dead which was a very strong selling point for ACM.

You people charged full price for a game with no multiplayer or resemblance to the demo a game people waited ages on and have the balls to say "all it took was to stand up to them" its more like all it took was to "stand on TOP of them with a rich ass lawyer" that is all that is. At least tell it straight...nahh keep lying to keep your job and get promoted. Randy is like Burke from Aliens. lol this story is better than the one in the actual ACM game. lol at least people are giving this story more attention than the actual game. smmfh :-  :-  :-

Wow, what a complete and utter liar and c**t. The market is fair? Lol! Well in his defense, I can totally see why a slimy fraud like him who bullshited and marketed this half-assed incomplete turd of a game would say something like this.

But seriously though, people should stop pre-ordering....

And that's why almost no one has interest in the AvP universe. Because of too much s**t like this.

Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on Jul 12, 2015, 04:25:26 PM
Wow, what a complete and utter liar and c**t. The market is fair? Lol! Well in his defense, I can totally see why a slimy fraud like him who bullshited and marketed this half-assed incomplete turd of a game would say something like this.

But seriously though, people should stop pre-ordering....

Agreed. I learned my lesson about pre-orders...

randy pitchford is full of it

Man, this guy is the worst kind of politician. He should run for congress.

But seriously, screw Pitchford, he's so full of it! He knows what he signed off on. He's scum. Not one shred of remorse? He was best to keep his mouth shut.

Just makes me want to continue to boycott this POS company. The man just has no shame; no remorse for purposefully lying to sell his product! He's a child that can't handle criticism when he's called out on his reprehensible bullshit!

If he couldn't afford a rich-ass lawyer, and if the court system was TRULY fair, he would be out of the job, or everyone who bought this shite based on his LIES would be getting our money back.

The people who stood up to Shitbox should be applauded. Pitchford is the rich corporate asshole who stands over others and throws money to game the system.

F*ck you, Pitchfird. F*ck you!

Quote from: Engineer on Jul 10, 2015, 06:22:20 PM
I hope he steps in a pile of dog shit first thing in the morning, everyday for the rest of his miserable life...

should step in dog shit and slide into oncoming traffic is more like it


oh and, INB4 the lock

Gearbox is just like konami we should treat them like shit no one should ever buy there games.

This is kind of where I lie. I played and got as much enjoyment out of the game as I could. The backlash, bad reviews, missed potential, etc. dampened the experience significantly, especially since I'd been anticipating it since 2006 when it was revealed on Game Informer's cover.

He lied. They pawned development off on smaller studios with fewer resources while Gearbox pumped out more paid content for Boringlands.

He's lost all of my respect and continues to show that he has little, to no respect for the Aliens IP, fans or gaming community. I won't support an of their future projects as a result, this as someone who owns two Borderlands games on PC and 360 (hypocrite, I know), and pre-ordered Aliens: Colonial Marines as soon as it was available. Not how to handle a controversial situation, Randy.

Quote from: sjs41390 on Jul 15, 2015, 02:47:18 AM
This is kind of where I lie. I played and got as much enjoyment out of the game as I could. The backlash, bad reviews, missed potential, etc. dampened the experience significantly, especially since I'd been anticipating it since 2006 when it was revealed on Game Informer's cover.

He lied. They pawned development off on smaller studios with fewer resources while Gearbox pumped out more paid content for Boringlands.

He's lost all of my respect and continues to show that he has little, to no respect for the Aliens IP, fans or gaming community. I won't support an of their future projects as a result, this as someone who owns two Borderlands games on PC and 360 (hypocrite, I know), and pre-ordered Aliens: Colonial Marines as soon as it was available. Not how to handle a controversial situation, Randy.

Got anything you'd like to #AskRandy  ? Lmao. I'm gonna get a kick out of this Twitter thing for a while!

This game was amazing. I really enjoyed it. It was well thought out, a little scary and damn....just realised I was writing about Isolation.
Ah Colonial Marines......at least the Wii U escaped this mess!!!!! The only version to rightly get cancelled! Shame Sega didn't give this to Rebellion or Creative Assembly   :-

Quote from: MaseSco on Jul 15, 2015, 02:39:21 PM
This game was amazing. I really enjoyed it. It was well thought out, a little scary and damn....just realised I was writing about Isolation.
Ah Colonial Marines......at least the Wii U escaped this mess!!!!! The only version to rightly get cancelled! Shame Sega didn't give this to Rebellion or Creative Assembly   :-

Oh my god! I thought you were seriously praising this game at first! Totally got me! Lol :-)

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/15/gearbox-ceo-randy-pitchford-gamer-criticism

Pitchford is at it again! We're all sadists out to crush his sandcastle for hating on Colonial Marines.

I hate pitchfork/gbx so much........

Hope bl3 flops.

Wow...

I did not hate the game completley. It had some interesting ideas- and the online mode also had some good things. And yet- in every aspect of it, it is wasted potential.  And that is the problem. Not ackknowledging that.

Goodness me I'm really starting to hate him. He's damaging his reputation and Gearbox's. You don't have to admit its flaws. You don't have to admit you're wrong. But don't accuse the community you rely on.

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MaseSco, I wouldn't say 'Alien: Isolation' was fully well thought out. It is great for most of it. But Mission  14 (The Descent) onwards falls, for me. It goes overboard with the aliens and debatably so with the robots. By the last 3 missions I was just wondering when it would end. As I said, for the most part it's great. Just, in terms of "wel thought out", eh, not so much towards the end. Also, terrible game ending.

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Wow - And unfortunately that will continue to happen. 'Prometheus 2' and 'Alien 5' woo! -_-

its the Alien franchise even if you made the worst game ever it would still sell as it DID!

he so far out of touch with the Alien franchise he shouldn't of hade the chance to make a aliens game to start WITH!!!

Poor Alien franchise gets shipped around for ever one to mess with it

"Less sophisticated minds."

Think about that.

He's like the twerp at school who'd needle you until you attacked him, and then make faces at you after the teacher came to break it up.

I didn't even outright hate A:CM like everyone else does, but I sure do now. F*ck Randy Pitchford and his beautiful 'sandcastle'.

Quote from: Shamo on Jul 15, 2015, 10:29:17 PM
I did not hate the game completley. It had some interesting ideas- and the online mode also had some good things. And yet- in every aspect of it, it is wasted potential.  And that is the problem. Not ackknowledging that.

I think the problem is much bigger than that, and even bigger than just in the quality of the games he/they put out too! The biggest problem they have is in self-perception and their attitude towards us as customers.

I recently read an article that referenced Twitter posts by Randy (which were deleted, but the article author still had a record of them) where Randy literally said some customers should be "dropped" because they cost them more money than it's worth! Seriously?!? Ok...

Gearbox customer service rep: "so, you require too much assistance and it's starting to cost us money now, so we're just going to ignore you from here on out. Good bye!"

Wtf kind of customer service is that?! More importantly, what sort of attitude or philosophy is that from a business perspective? Why not just put out a quality product that does NOT require excessive customer support to begin with?!?

His remarks and attitude just goes to show that this guy and his company don't really give a damn about their fans/customers unless we have positive feedback/support to begin with! Why else would Randy block people on Twitter for providing any sort of criticism? even good natured, constructive criticism has resulted in the Randy-ban hammer!

This "dropping customers" thing is probably why they stopped supporting A:CM the second they were no longer "obligated" to support it! When was the last time a patch was released to address various game issues? I believe prior to the last dlc pack. They probably decided it would cost them more than it was worth to spend the time and resources to develop another patch to make fans happier with the product, and they cut their losses the first chance they got!

Say what you will about poor choices or product quality from other game developers like destiny/bungie and halo/343i... At least they did something, and continue to do things, to make it up to their fans/customers when their product breaks or doesn't meet expected standards. All I've seen from Randy and gearbox are finger-pointing and insulting the customers publicly! What ever happened to "the Customer is always right" approach?

Sack him.

Maybe Randy Pitchford is actually a God of a Troll. All his life he HATED the ALIENS franchise and saw this moment to strike at it's heart, the fans. And now this is all insult to injury.

Blame the consumers. Do you know what country you're in, Dickford?

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 15, 2015, 09:37:33 PMPitchford is at it again! We're all sadists out to crush his sandcastle for hating on Colonial Marines.

What a prat. How does he explain that when compared to the total lack of vehement hatred being thrown at Isolation?

Personally I think I'm a sadistic for enjoying Alien Isolation so much.

I like this game for one reason only, and thats for keeping Cpl Hicks alive in the Alien universe, i know the game was bad but i still play it on steam..  :-

What a c**t

what a douchebag, really, they made a bad game, so it is logical to HATE IT, but he talks as it was supposed to be loved

These guys are acting like konami dickheads f**king corporation know wonder the replica invaded armacham.Two words to that guy "asshole".

Trust me Randy Pitchford knows he f--ked up. He knows the gamer's have every right to hate him. He's just saying these things because the spotlight is still on him and he feels the need to stick up for himself by constantly saying I'm not guilty.

But as one user said which I agree, it would have been better to shut his mouth and just keep walking. If I was him I'd pretend that this whole mess never happened, no comment, and just move on.

My God, Pitchford is so deluded. He's so far removed from the situation. He can't grasp the simplicity of why so many of us are angry? He can't possibly be THAT stupid, can he?

If he's not going to fess up and offer a sincere apology (an explanation would be nice, too), it'd be better for him to just be quiet. He's only heaping coal on the fire when he does this.

Ranyd, if you really care your company and the people who buy your games then please SHUT THE F%CK UP. Gosh I swore the gaming industry never had a douchebag like this. >:(

i think the problem is gearbox knew what they were doing all along they must have its not like they didn't have enough time to make the damn game i mean 6 years and they release a game that would have been more suited look and gameplaywise on a ps2 and randy blames the fans lol he hates it because we fans know that really they just couldn't be bothered otherwise the game would have been a lot better =.we need sega to get a developer to remake this game they way that they see fit to me avp was much better than this game it looked and played much better and had a damn good multiplayer but sega cut support way to early as there was much that could have been done like new multiplayer modes new story dlc to be honest rebellion should have been given first dibs at aliens colonial marines

Here's the article I mentioned before where Randy says they should "drop expensive customers" in case anyone is interested. The article also mentions some unethical behavior in the form of favorable reviews from a developer's friends working for destructoid...

http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2014/09/gamergate-some-people-cost-us-more-than-they-gain-us-says-gearbox-president/

"There is always the person who's got to stand on the sandcastle, they must crush it," - but when it's 95% of your target audience, c'mon, man... what world are you living in?

Quote"I don't know," he begins when asked what happened. "We made an Aliens game. I wouldn't trade the experience for anything in the world. I got to, the team and us, we got to rebuild the Sulaco. We got to work with Syd Mead to do that. We got to build all of Hadley's Hope, not just the few hallways of the colony that you see in the film. We built power loaders and APCs and dropships. Holy crap, we went out to The Derelict! I'm just so glad that I got the opportunity to spend time in that space. I understand that there's some people that didn't enjoy it and I'm very sorry about that. That's the nature of entertainment – some of my favourite bands who've made some of the songs I think are the best in the world have other songs on B-sides that I completely don't care for. It's going to happen. So I don't know what to say.

How about defending it's initial backlash by claiming you let other studio's work on it (and not the best ones either...) and you got it in hand about two months before release? Man, does this man comprehend reality?

Honestly, Gearbox knew what it was doing. Pitchford knew what he was doing. Just like Duke, he knew he could take advantage of an old, respectable IP that has a game people have been waiting on and exploiting it. I call BS on Pitchford spending  $10 million of his own dollars on it. If he did that, he'd have more vested interest in the game, know? Instead he put the game on the back-burner, outsourced it to unproven studios and took SEGA's money and fan support for a ride for 6 years.

Pitchford probably doesn't believe the bullshit coming out of his mouth. He KNOWS what he did, he just hates that everyone knows it too! It's not some conspiracy theory, a lot of it's based on facts given by SEGA and former Gearbox employees how this went down. But Pitchford can't let the customer win. His ego will not allow it.

Randy Pitchford on A:CM Backlash – "Some People are Sadists"

....... and some people are narcissistic A**holes who needs to grow up and except theire part of the responsibility in this hullubulu.......

Randy has "no regrets" about A:CM...

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/07/17/randy-pitchford-address-alien-colonial-marines-claims

"There is always the person who's got to stand on the sandcastle, they must crush it," - but when it's 95% of your target audience, c'mon, man... what world are you living in?

The game was doom from the start. The game came out in 2013 and yet it feels like game made in 2003. I think the game being pushed back and having no wave of info for a long periods of time was a good sign that this game was going to be bad.

Hopefully when GBX's next turd comes out people will remember the masterpieces that A:CM and Duke were and reward accordingly.

Quote from: Engineer on Jul 17, 2015, 06:55:13 PM
Randy has "no regrets" about A:CM...

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/07/17/randy-pitchford-address-alien-colonial-marines-claims

Holy christ.

First he accuses the game's detractors of just trying to get site hits and ad revenue (what about the vast majority of us that don't have game sites, Randy?), and then he likens them to 911 Truthers.

Also, the 'B-side' analogy is pretty weak. DLC is a 'B-side'. The game itself is the A-side... it's what we dropped $70 for.

You know what I think? I think he's up shit creek. If everything was fine in Randy World, he wouldn't have to run to the press to defend himself. This is damage control.

Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jul 17, 2015, 10:17:12 PM

Quote from: Engineer on Jul 17, 2015, 06:55:13 PM
Randy has "no regrets" about A:CM...

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/07/17/randy-pitchford-address-alien-colonial-marines-claims

Holy christ.

First he accuses the game's detractors of just trying to get site hits and ad revenue (what about the vast majority of us that don't have game sites, Randy?), and then he likens them to 911 Truthers.

Also, the 'B-side' analogy is pretty weak. DLC is a 'B-side'. The game itself is the A-side... it's what we dropped $70 for.

You know what I think? I think he's up shit creek. If everything was fine in Randy World, he wouldn't have to run to the press to defend himself. This is damage control.

I know right?! Except his version of damage control makes things worse I think! Lol. I think he's got a "lesser mind..." Lmao

I would love to see things from Randy's point of view. Unfortunately, my head won't fit that far up my ass.

Quote from: Engineer on Jul 17, 2015, 06:55:13 PM
Randy has "no regrets" about A:CM...

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/07/17/randy-pitchford-address-alien-colonial-marines-claims

Smells like bullshit and damage control. IGN would be the people he'd run to. They're so far up the corporate ass they don't care.

Lmao! Very applicable!

Quote from: Jarac on Jul 18, 2015, 04:39:25 AM

Quote from: Engineer on Jul 17, 2015, 06:55:13 PM
Randy has "no regrets" about A:CM...

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/07/17/randy-pitchford-address-alien-colonial-marines-claims

Smells like bullshit and damage control. IGN would be the people he'd run to. They're so far up the corporate ass they don't care.

Maybe as one of the few outlets to give Isolation a bad review he thinks they'll be his friend.

Quote from: Engineer on Jul 17, 2015, 06:55:13 PM
Randy has "no regrets" about A:CM...

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/07/17/randy-pitchford-address-alien-colonial-marines-claims

Neither do the gamers that are nailing him to the cross atm. The people have spoken:

https://twitter.com/search?src=typd&q=askrandy

Might not win a trial, but we can sure as hell take you down some way or another.

why can EA just buy Gearbox and fire Pitchford?

Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on Jul 16, 2015, 04:18:20 AM
Maybe Randy Pitchford is actually a God of a Troll. All his life he HATED the ALIENS franchise and saw this moment to strike at it's heart, the fans. And now this is all insult to injury.

The thought if him actually being competent at something stings so much more.

Quote from: Hemi on Jul 18, 2015, 10:41:42 PM

Quote from: Engineer on Jul 17, 2015, 06:55:13 PM
Randy has "no regrets" about A:CM...

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/07/17/randy-pitchford-address-alien-colonial-marines-claims

Neither do the gamers that are nailing him to the cross atm. The people have spoken:

https://twitter.com/search?src=typd&q=askrandy

Might not win a trial, but we can sure as hell take you down some way or another.

Oh man, there's some funny stuff in there. I wish I'd known about that Q&A. My question would have been:

"How does it feel knowing that the announcement of Alien Isolation was delayed because they didn't want any of the A:CM stink getting on it?"  :D

Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jul 19, 2015, 02:12:50 PM

Quote from: Hemi on Jul 18, 2015, 10:41:42 PM

Quote from: Engineer on Jul 17, 2015, 06:55:13 PM
Randy has "no regrets" about A:CM...

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/07/17/randy-pitchford-address-alien-colonial-marines-claims

Neither do the gamers that are nailing him to the cross atm. The people have spoken:

https://twitter.com/search?src=typd&q=askrandy

Might not win a trial, but we can sure as hell take you down some way or another.

Oh man, there's some funny stuff in there. I wish I'd known about that Q&A. My question would have been:

"How does it feel knowing that the announcement of Alien Isolation was delayed because they didn't want any of the A:CM stink getting on it?"  :D

this is what I would have #AskRandy - "can I call you 85? I'd enjoy alien 3 a lot more then..."

Randy PitchBitchtheAssford can say what ever he likes to make himself feel better or whatever. Gearbox paid off the right people to get themselves out of this. There is clear evidence that GB lied. Game Trailers with Power-loaders with flamethrowers, battling a queen. The whole fall from operations and then run from the charger and slide under the door, What happened to that? Or the video images of two Conestoga-class ships falling and breaking a part? How about the early game commentary footage showing one thing, and we as consumers get something else on game release. I liked how I saw him in a video joke about how bad ACM was.

We as the community know how full of it Randy and the rest of GearBox. I'll never buy another Gearbox game, nor recommend one. This is the only thing I can do. If Steam had their refund at the time. I think things would have went very differently.

Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jul 19, 2015, 02:12:50 PM

Quote from: Hemi on Jul 18, 2015, 10:41:42 PM

Quote from: Engineer on Jul 17, 2015, 06:55:13 PM
Randy has "no regrets" about A:CM...

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/07/17/randy-pitchford-address-alien-colonial-marines-claims

Neither do the gamers that are nailing him to the cross atm. The people have spoken:

https://twitter.com/search?src=typd&q=askrandy

Might not win a trial, but we can sure as hell take you down some way or another.

Oh man, there's some funny stuff in there. I wish I'd known about that Q&A. My question would have been:

"How does it feel knowing that the announcement of Alien Isolation was delayed because they didn't want any of the A:CM stink getting on it?"  :D

Funny that they thought we would forget by now. Sorry GBX, what you did is unforgivable unless you correct it. And thats the funny part... they can actually correct their mistake but are simply unwilling or to stupid to realise that it is the first step to prevent these public humiliations. Media...learn to use it.

Quote from: Hemi on Jul 20, 2015, 12:03:26 PM

Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jul 19, 2015, 02:12:50 PM

Quote from: Hemi on Jul 18, 2015, 10:41:42 PM

Quote from: Engineer on Jul 17, 2015, 06:55:13 PM
Randy has "no regrets" about A:CM...

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/07/17/randy-pitchford-address-alien-colonial-marines-claims

Neither do the gamers that are nailing him to the cross atm. The people have spoken:

https://twitter.com/search?src=typd&q=askrandy

Might not win a trial, but we can sure as hell take you down some way or another.

Oh man, there's some funny stuff in there. I wish I'd known about that Q&A. My question would have been:

"How does it feel knowing that the announcement of Alien Isolation was delayed because they didn't want any of the A:CM stink getting on it?"  :D

Funny that they thought we would forget by now. Sorry GBX, what you did is unforgivable unless you correct it. And thats the funny part... they can actually correct their mistake but are simply unwilling or to stupid to realise that it is the first step to prevent these public humiliations. Media...learn to use it.

They won't correct it... Randy made comments about "dropping expensive customers," and I think we'd all fall into that category for gearbox (which is their fault). My opinion is, don't release defective products that require expensive corrections in the first place! I don't think gearbox has the foresight to realize that it's probably more expensive NOT to correct things either...

No...they won't of course. They should, but never will.

Silly thing, this game industry. While the little man (indie devs) try to keep their paying customers happy with weekly updates of their small games, the big company's go for the quick buck and seem to care less about the dedicated fanbase. Not saying it doesn't happen the other way around, just far less. Also a shame you have people vocally defending this mess on the gearbox forums. I don't know what to think of those people. Either disgust or pity that  they don't use that grey matter in their skulls.

This should have been the game this fanbase was waiting for after all these years since AVP2. Damn shame...

What a literal piece of shit

Reading that interview with IGN I bet that Randy Pitchford does a TOOOOOOOOOON of coke.

Quote from: Hemi on Jul 20, 2015, 12:03:26 PM

Funny that they thought we would forget by now. Sorry GBX, what you did is unforgivable unless you correct it. And thats the funny part... they can actually correct their mistake but are simply unwilling or to stupid to realise that it is the first step to prevent these public humiliations. Media...learn to use it.

Oh Hell, yes. 

If you do good by this Community, you get remembered for your deeds and the praise comes for years.   Just ask Scott and Cameron.

...but if you screw this Community over, then it's very unkind for no less amount of time. 

This is true no matter who you are Pro or amateur.  There are fan artists, amateur film makers, game modders and all manner of people  who receive praise for their efforts and such praise lasts for years.   

If a Professional like Pitchford comes along to bless us with big promises during the course of a 6 year development cycle and then delivers rubbish, it's up to him to accept that he's sunk to the lowest level and to accept that the many, many members of this Community are legitimately pissed at his continued deflective attitude.

You deserve this sh!t, Pitchford. Lap it up.  ...or just shut up.   

You're an embarrassment to us all.  You're continued bullsh!t won't be forgotten for a very, very long time.   Especially if you continue to fail to acknowledge your failings and blame the people who are dissatisfied customers.

-Windebieste.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-07-23-an-hour-with-randy-pitchford

Pretty lengthy interview with Pitch about A:CM.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 24, 2015, 12:58:16 PMPretty lengthy interview with Pitch about A:CM.

Not sure I even wanna bother reading what he has to say...

That said, I skimmed the intro and got a good giggle out of the suggestion they received love letters regarding ACM.

How come he is doing all these interviews about the game NOW?

And to reiterate what I said earlier, COKE COKE COKE COKE COKE!

He mentions in the interview he was subject to a gag order whilst they were being sued.

I'd like to see him gag on his own balls.

Quote from: tmjhur on Jul 24, 2015, 01:41:54 PM
How come he is doing all these interviews about the game NOW?

And to reiterate what I said earlier, COKE COKE COKE COKE COKE!

Because the lawsuit just ended so he doesn't have lawyers saying "shut the f$&@ up!"

They spent time on borderlands and Duke nukem and they were shit!!!!!!!Gearbox close down please!!!!!!!!

What's sad is that back in the day we use to blame Sega for everything. Why we weren't getting new info, this, that. But I feel bad now cause it was clearly Gearbox's fault all along.

"Sega's a publisher -- they never'a could've disrespected the fans. But I didn't know until this day that it was -- Gearbox all along... "

I just read his interview... I wanted to hear what he had to say about it. He's so full of sh!t... I lost count of how many times he contradicted his previous statements/comments in THIS interview!

You can tell he is an firm believer of they're being so such thing as bad publicity.

Holy egomania, Batman. This guy would rather be 'right' and never sell another game than simply man up and apologize.

Also, I agree with the cocaine assessment.

That first part about him being a professional magician? That's what's happening here. It's all smoke and mirrors... He's basically doing it every single time something goes wrong. He tries to smoke out the key parts of the questions that people want to know, and when pinned down, he makes some excuse about not wanting to talk about it, then suddenly talks about it when he figures out how to show the rabbit coming out of the hat.

still cant believe that gearbox failed this game big time after the video from E3 was really looking forward to this.to me this just proves borderlands is all they got.rebellions avp 2010 was miles better than this and they deserve another chance as sega failed that franchise by canning support a month after release for consoles it could have been soo much more had they listened to fans.i do believe that rebellion given free reign could deliver the game we would all like avp 2010 was not the best game but it was still fun and multiplayer was much better than gearbox trash.or atleast get a new developer to remake aliens colonial marines for X1 and ps4 and make sure that they can do the task at hand

Piss taking thing was that IGN gave AVP 2010 and ACM the same f**kING RATING(4.5)

(Sigh) Randy Pitchford is so delusional

Quote from: Novak 1334 on Jul 10, 2015, 02:19:33 PM
Randy Pitchford is the Donald Trump of computer games

Most accurate description of this douchebag.

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Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on Jul 24, 2015, 07:04:09 PM
What's sad is that back in the day we use to blame Sega for everything. Why we weren't getting new info, this, that. But I feel bad now cause it was clearly Gearbox's fault all along.

"Sega's a publisher -- they never'a could've disrespected the fans. But I didn't know until this day that it was -- Gearbox all along... "

Sega still has some responsability in this mess because they didn´t watched Randy anc company and also they approved the final product to be released, but at least they learnt and evenin recognized they betrayed the fans, at the opposite of that douchebag.

Quote from: Gridseeker on Aug 15, 2015, 07:18:04 PM

Sega still has some responsability in this mess because they didn´t watched Randy anc company and also they approved the final product to be released, but at least they learnt and evenin recognized they betrayed the fans, at the opposite of that douchebag.

Well from the looks of it, he deceived them. And considering Sega's situation over the last decade and the situation with money going into this game who could blame them for not scratching it after they saw the final build.

Is gearbox making any new games?not that i am going to buy any

I know this thread is old news, but I just stumbled upon it - i wasn't aware this lawsuit was a real thing. I've read all those articles and interviews you linked and I want to answer to some of Pitchford's silly claims.

First of all, it's true the market reacted correctly. The game didn't sell so well and many people decided not to buy other Gearbox games. But there's a line between market and false advertising. False advertising is a con, it shouldn't take place. You don't steal from people - stealing has nothing to do with the market, and so does false advertising.

Next, the analogy to ACM being one of Pitchford's children is just plain stupid. You love your kids because they are human beings, and you love them no matter what because you didn't really choose how they turned out. The game is your product. Its quality depends only on your skills in gamemaking. If you can't differ between a product, even if it's a piece of art, from your kid, then it's Ed Wood level of artistry. He made shit movies and loved all of them. He wasn't able to see their flaws because he was a talentless hack without any taste or knowledge of art.

And it seems, at first, that Pitchford is a hack too, if he won't even admit that ACM may be worse than other games. "It depends", he says, always avoiding a simple answer.

But I don't think he's a hack. I think whatever there was of an artist within him is gone now. There's just this soulless, lying, cynical, hypocrite businessman who doesn't care about quality, only sales. He won't say the game is lacking, because screw gamers - he's afraid he'll scare the investors and shareholders.

Well, that's fine for you, Randy, you get richer, your company gets points. But you've become an asshole and it's not an issue of the community. It's only your problem.

That's all I had to say.

Quote from: esz on Dec 19, 2015, 10:29:58 AM

Spoiler

I know this thread is old news, but I just stumbled upon it - i wasn't aware this lawsuit was a real thing. I've read all those articles and interviews you linked and I want to answer to some of Pitchford's silly claims.

First of all, it's true the market reacted correctly. The game didn't sell so well and many people decided not to buy other Gearbox games. But there's a line between market and false advertising. False advertising is a con, it shouldn't take place. You don't steal from people - stealing has nothing to do with the market, and so does false advertising.

Next, the analogy to ACM being one of Pitchford's children is just plain stupid. You love your kids because they are human beings, and you love them no matter what because you didn't really choose how they turned out. The game is your product. Its quality depends only on your skills in gamemaking. If you can't differ between a product, even if it's a piece of art, from your kid, then it's Ed Wood level of artistry. He made shit movies and loved all of them. He wasn't able to see their flaws because he was a talentless hack without any taste or knowledge of art.

And it seems, at first, that Pitchford is a hack too, if he won't even admit that ACM may be worse than other games. "It depends", he says, always avoiding a simple answer.

But I don't think he's a hack. I think whatever there was of an artist within him is gone now. There's just this soulless, lying, cynical, hypocrite businessman who doesn't care about quality, only sales. He won't say the game is lacking, because screw gamers - he's afraid he'll scare the investors and shareholders.

Well, that's fine for you, Randy, you get richer, your company gets points. But you've become an asshole and it's not an issue of the community. It's only your problem.

That's all I had to say.

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Preach it.

Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jul 24, 2015, 10:15:00 PM
Holy egomania, Batman. This guy would rather be 'right' and never sell another game than simply man up and apologize.

Also, I agree with the cocaine assessment.

And this, so much. I mean how many developers in the industry have made mistakes and not only have they taken steps to correct those mistakes, but they've come out and said "mistakes were made, and I/we apologize."

I mean come on, try and have the most basic human decency after you flagrantly lied to and ripped off an entire fan base with a complete failure of a game that could've been the second coming of Aliens-level action video games.

To this day I've stuck to my word and will never buy another Gearbox product. I tell my friends to do the same, because Borderlands really isn't that fun anyway lol. I even liked it for awhile before A:CM came out, but never again.

I'm equally as disgusted that they got ahold of the Homeworld remaster, which was one of my favorite games of all time. Certainly won't be picking that up, and it's a shame.

But Pitchfraud has proven to this day that he's a giant asshole. He reaffirms this every time he opens his mouth on the subject.

A:CM being falsely advertised was NOT a legitimate case?

It is neither acceptable, nor adequate and is in obvious fact, an abomination.

That game was very very obviously a piece of shit! And was looking pretty damn awesome in the adverts, graphically. AI was not what they said it would be either. They seemed to be thinking on the right lines judging by what they'd said in interviews (bloody lies they were!) The aliens are dumb as f**k.

Have any cases of video game fraud where the plaintiff is just a customer ever been found in favor of the plaintiff? No, because judges don't give a shit about gamers and can't tell a bad game from a good one.

What makes me facepalm the most is that people saw the original trailer and were pumped for the game. I thought the trailer looked mediocre at best and I had a very strong feeling that the game would be shit.

QuoteHave any cases of video game fraud where the plaintiff is just a customer ever been found in favor of the plaintiff? No, because judges don't give a shit about gamers and can't tell a bad game from a good one.

Well apparently neither do the customers since people actually bought and preordered this garbage, letting once again scammers like this getting away with their hyped up games and false advertising. Here's a new idea: next time dont buy stuff on impulse because you are crazy about some franchise but instead wait for the reviews. It will save you a lot of money and punish these unscrupulous developers.

I'm pretty sure the problem in the first place was a problem of scale concerning the project.
They had too high ambitions and probably wanted to make a bigger / better MMOFPS that would have been remember for a decade.

That's pretty much what I feel like when I take a look at the old articles of the game and the screenshots.
They seems to be this massive thing that even managed to end up as an embryo in the game.

For example, there's something absolutely useless that got implemented in the final game:
The customization.
It's a typical thing for large scale game (or call of duty fps, but it serves as a rank purpose well defined here).
It was absolutely unnecessary to give us such a wide choice of skins, abilities, weapons customization with the kind of game we got since it has a level much lower in terms of development than any previous game.

I think they had big eyes, and wanted to make something incredible, probably way too much incredible.
First concept arts suggested we would see earth, space stations, asteroid stations, LV-426 and some uncharted worlds.
We ended up with simply an homage to ALIENS locations and some generic random places.
It's pretty obvious that all we see in game was already done back in 2008/2009.
I think what actually happened is that they spent way too much time brainstorming and saw that SEGA would not let them make this kind of scaled project telling them to keep low (lack of finance).
I'm sure they had a load of money to make a AAA game but not enough to make an incredible scale game.
So stuck in the middle, they packed up the game as it was, spent some money on communication and took the rest that was not enough to make their epic scale game.

I'm pretty sure everyone in the end is disappointed.
SEGA for their wallet, gearbox for being finally able to work on an Alien game (which studio wouldn't be happy to get to work on a AAA star wars / alien game?) and not being able to do what they wanted and the consumer who was in the middle of all this terrible storm.

Back then I remembered that I hated Pitchford and Gearbox, but now that I think about it, I think they are as much pissed off as we are.
It all got pretty clear when I played Alien Isolation.
The game is near perfect. Atmosphere, gameplay, engine, blablabla.
The only thing this could happen is because they remained pretty low and safe in their ambitions. You have a very little amount of objects, updates, the story is pretty simple and happens in the same place.
Gearbox on the other hand wanted too much, like different pulserifle variations, a lot of new aliens from comic books, hell they even spent time to figure out if the 95 magazine of the pulserifle was possible.

I'd bet it's what killed the game because the initial ambition there was back in 2008 was incredibly positive and supportive.

It's probably also the fact I do mods for AVP2 that lowered my standard.
Everyone wants too much, I remember back being a tester for AJL mod that people thought it would be a good idea to have aliens capable of making a hive in a map, then being able to drag a player to incubate him and spawn an army of AI.
Nice idea, I'm pretty sure all Aliens fans always thought it would be cool (and I'm sure Gearbox thought so too) but the amount of work required to do that is astronomical.

They say that if you aim high but miss, at least you'll fall amongst the stars. Could that be said about colonial marines? No. Colonial marines fell in the mud. Personally, I think this was a simple effort to cash in on the fan base. Build up the hype train, spend little to no money or time on the game and build up the pre-order numbers. All my local game stores had sold out of ALL copies of A:CM the day before launch, I shit you not.

Quote from: chainsawsquirrel on Apr 12, 2016, 09:01:08 PM
They say that if you aim high but miss, at least you'll fall amongst the stars. Could that be said about colonial marines? No. Colonial marines fell in the mud. Personally, I think this was a simple effort to cash in on the fan base. Build up the hype train, spend little to no money or time on the game and build up the pre-order numbers. All my local game stores had sold out of ALL copies of A:CM the day before launch, I shit you not.

It doesn't make sense to hire actors, put so many new alien characters, weapons and objects in a game and make a so wide variety of maps if you wanted to spend as little money as possible.
Why would you make a customization menu in the first place if budget was a concern?

Something happened and we'll never know.

I'm pretty sure the project started with big goals in mind but at some point gearbox decided it cared more about borderlands 2 and just stopped working on or really developing aliens. It should have been cancelled but instead we got one of the worst games I've played in recent memory.

If it was a waste of time..why did it take a fan to fix a laundry list of problems, including and execute file that infinitely relaunches the game! Why was this not fixed then? The title shown to us was a vertical slice and they absolutely lied about the game. They knew this game had actually been developed YEARS before  they started advertising it (The engine can show you that without even getting into the poor graphics and scripting execution). Randy is full of POOP and I personally will never ever buy from Gearbucks ($$$$) software again. They have lost my trust; and when you lose trust in a person or a company the relationship is over.

Like that even matters. I buy games based on reviews, gameplay videos, articles, assessments, etc. I (usually) don't make sporadic buying choices, and I never pre-order a game. Who in their right mind would wait before consumer reports to buy a car? I actually value my time and money enough to not take chances anymore on seeing if a game is a bad investment.

It doesn't matter anyway. All the kiddies will keep pre-ordering Gearbox's games with Mommy and Daddy's money, and they will never produce a good game again if they can just keep getting Mommy and Daddy's money by churning out shit that an idiot teenager--their main demographic--can't tell is a bad game in the first place. You guys are all under this bizarre delusion that big budget video game companies actually care about their products' quality. News flash: they don't.

Quote from: Le Celticant on Apr 13, 2016, 10:43:11 AM

Quote from: chainsawsquirrel on Apr 12, 2016, 09:01:08 PM
They say that if you aim high but miss, at least you'll fall amongst the stars. Could that be said about colonial marines? No. Colonial marines fell in the mud. Personally, I think this was a simple effort to cash in on the fan base. Build up the hype train, spend little to no money or time on the game and build up the pre-order numbers. All my local game stores had sold out of ALL copies of A:CM the day before launch, I shit you not.

It doesn't make sense to hire actors, put so many new alien characters, weapons and objects in a game and make a so wide variety of maps if you wanted to spend as little money as possible.
Why would you make a customization menu in the first place if budget was a concern?

Something happened and we'll never know.

Well for one thing, the actors who they did manage to hire (Al Matthews, Michael Beihn & Mark Rolston and a Hudson impersonator), no disrespect to any of them, but they're not exactly big time actors anymore. I doubt they'd have spent that much money on them. Plus, their characters were used as a pre-order incentive, which is where the vast majority of sales came from. Customisation menu was probably just added because that was just the sort of thing that was expected from modern shooters at the time.

Quote from: chainsawsquirrel on Apr 15, 2016, 09:05:13 PMWell for one thing, the actors who they did manage to hire (Al Matthews, Michael Beihn & Mark Rolston and a Hudson impersonator), no disrespect to any of them, but they're not exactly big time actors anymore.

Judging by Biehn's performance, he knew full well the game was a piece of shit too. I smell contractual obligation.

They should at least make a re-make of this shit game to hopefully make it good again. I'd like to see what it would be like when it isn't a pile of shit.

Quote from: The Xenomorph Warrior on Apr 30, 2016, 04:10:16 PM
They should at least make a re-make of this shit game to hopefully make it good again. I'd like to see what it would be like when it isn't a pile of shit.

I dont see that anytime soon.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 18, 2016, 08:12:22 AM

Quote from: chainsawsquirrel on Apr 15, 2016, 09:05:13 PMWell for one thing, the actors who they did manage to hire (Al Matthews, Michael Beihn & Mark Rolston and a Hudson impersonator), no disrespect to any of them, but they're not exactly big time actors anymore.

Judging by Biehn's performance, he knew full well the game was a piece of shit too. I smell contractual obligation.

I think I read somewhere that Biehn admitted as much, he knew the game was bad and couldn't be bothered to put effort in it and judging by the lack of effort by the voice coach/director, he isn't the only one who couldn't be bothered.

I remember reading that somewhere too.

Also heard James Cameron and Ridley Scott had bad things to say about the game too...

I'm just glad I didn't buy Colonial Marines or well, any Gearbox game after Half-Life Opposing Force. :P

This one and halo PC were the only 2 gearbox games I bought. I'll never buy another though!

Quote"The only other gaming experience that I had was I did a voice [Corporal Hicks] in the Aliens game that they made [Aliens: Colonial Marines]," Biehn says. "That wasn't fun at all. I just didn't really have any fun.

"It seemed kind of passionless. I think in movies, television, and the gaming world, you get some people that are really, really passionate, and some people that are just going through the paces. They think that because they have a brand name they're going to get a hit game or hit movie out of it. That certainly was the situation on [Aliens: Colonial Marines]."

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2013/07/25/the-80s-strike-back-the-complete-story-behind-blood-dragon.aspx?PostPageIndex=2

Yep, that was it I believe and I can't say I blame him, why put effort into something that is a failure?

I think Biehn was hopeful that Aliens would leave the door wide open for him to have a starring role in whatever sequel they ended up making.  I can't say I blame him for being salty about the way it all turned out.

I wonder if he's aware of the Gibson script and what might have been if not for the end of the Cold War.  Someone should mention it if they ever get to interview him.  ;D

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 11, 2016, 11:10:08 AM

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"It seemed kind of passionless. I think in movies, television, and the gaming world, you get some people that are really, really passionate, and some people that are just going through the paces. They think that because they have a brand name they're going to get a hit game or hit movie out of it. That certainly was the situation on [Aliens: Colonial Marines]."

Wow, that really says it all. So Gearbox were just going through the motions, after all the shit that they were the biggest fans ever. Compare this to how the Alien cast felt about recording lines for Isolation. Urgh f'king Gearbox...