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New Alien: Covenant production still shows Covenant’s cryo-storage. The countdown to Alien: Covenant’s trailer continues with the Alien Anthology social media accounts releasing a second new production still of the week, this time of the Covenant’s cryo-storage area:

The capsules look noticeably different from the various cryo-chambers we’ve seen throughout the Alien films. Back in August, 20th Century Fox showed us a closer view of someone (Daniels?) in one of these cryo-chambers.

As with the production still released yesterday, this new still comes with yet another cryptic numerical sequence: “130112062104.” The meaning of these clues has yet to be decrypted. What do you think?

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like coathangers with suitwrappers :D

Reminds me of meat hung up in a slaughterhouse. Seems deliberate and appropriate. :D

I feel it can you....

Spoiler

THE TRAILER INCOMING!!!!

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It's just been suggested on the Facebook page that the countdown is actually in microseconds. This one converts to 36 hours. Yesterday's converts to 61 hours.

Shiiieeeet, first a Blade Runner teaser now this, Christmas is coming early!

It looks sharp and stunning :) Old school vibe.

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Quote from: Kailem on Dec 20, 2016, 02:31:03 PM
Reminds me of meat hung up in a slaughterhouse. Seems deliberate and appropriate. :D

Hell yeah!

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 02:36:10 PM
It's just been suggested on the Facebook page that the countdown is actually in microseconds. This one converts to 36 hours. Yesterday's converts to 61 hours.

Which would mean trailer drops @ Wed 21st Dec 2016

130112062104 Today's

220512052104 Yesterday's

Anyone figured it out?

I've heard some complaints that the cryo storage looks more advanced than the Nostromo's.  Well of course it is!  This is a highly advanced colony ship, not some old-ass space tug!  And there are apparently lots of colonists on board so having the ol' "pull em out of the wall" system makes sense.  It sort of reminds me of the sleeping cells on the ship that takes Corbin and Leeloo to Fhloston Paradise ;D

Someone wrote that on twitter:

130112062104 = 1.5 days to go
220512052104 = 2.5 days to go

Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 20, 2016, 03:02:45 PM
Someone wrote that on twitter:

130112062104 = 1.5 days to go
220512052104 = 2.5 days to go

I hope so. I'm not sure I could cope with waiting until Christmas day.

Also - has anyone noticed that one of the cryochambers isn't active?

Future dry cleaning service.

Loving all of these stills. Thanks Hicks.

Quote from: Parker on Dec 20, 2016, 03:00:34 PM
I've heard some complaints that the cryo storage looks more advanced than the Nostromo's. Well of course it is! This is a highly advanced colony ship, not some old-ass space tug! And there are apparently lots of colonists on board so having the ol' "pull em out of the wall" system makes sense. It sort of reminds me of the sleeping cells on the ship that takes Corbin and Leeloo to Fhloston Paradise ;D

As with 'Prometheus', any technological inconsistances are going to be with how things square up with the "state of the badass art" Sulaco and Gateway Station, not the Nostromo.

Remember, if this is a colony ship, we have to believe it's going to be a more primitive version of what later transported the future residents of Hadley's Hope.

Time will tell...

Yup, I see one cryo inactive...

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 20, 2016, 03:13:38 PM
As with 'Prometheus', any technological inconsistances are going to be with how things square up with the "state of the badass art" Sulaco and Gateway Station, not the Nostromo.

Remember, if this is a colony ship, we have to believe it's going to be a more primitive version of what later transported the future residents of Hadley's Hope.

Personally I think these look less advanced than the Sulaco or the Nostromo. They just look shiny because they've likely only been used once or twice.

Pff. Because a hundred years from now we'll still be using satin nickel drawer handles. They're not even ergonomically designed.

Geeze, it's a single still, we haven't seen them in action, reminds me a lot of Alien: Isolation actually.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 03:21:29 PM

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 20, 2016, 03:13:38 PM
As with 'Prometheus', any technological inconsistances are going to be with how things square up with the "state of the badass art" Sulaco and Gateway Station, not the Nostromo.

Remember, if this is a colony ship, we have to believe it's going to be a more primitive version of what later transported the future residents of Hadley's Hope.

Personally I think these look less advanced than the Sulaco or the Nostromo. They just look shiny because they've likely only been used once or twice.

That's a very good point Hicks.  Not to get sidetracked, but was I the only one that didn't realize the new Blade Runner movie was coming out next year?  Talk about an early Christmas present!

so isn't the numbers just Time: 13:01 day/month: december(12) 6th and year: 2104  ? At the same time as being a microsecond countdown? :P

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 03:05:20 PM
Also - has anyone noticed that one of the cryochambers isn't active?

Spoiler

Might be the Captain's (Daniel's husband) one I suppose.

I remember the animated version of this image had a lot of electrical flashing going on, might be during the storm when the Captain dies.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/CpBu4iAWEAAUd3-.jpg)

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Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Dec 20, 2016, 04:31:49 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 03:05:20 PM
Also - has anyone noticed that one of the cryochambers isn't active?

Spoiler

Might be the Captain's (Daniel's husband) one I suppose.

I remember the animated version of this image had a lot of electrical flashing going on, might be during the storm when the Captain dies.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/CpBu4iAWEAAUd3-.jpg)

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Yep. You can even see a crack on the cryo screen.

I fail to see how it looks more advanced than this:

(https://aambar.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/pics-1.png)

In this regard, I think the nostromo actually looked more advance than many other ship.
The sulaco looked old (but practical for army).

The only thing that stood apart are the switch and buttons and all the technological "integration".
But it's really nothing major, most of the designs felt very advanced and yet practical in Alien.

What didn't feel futuristic are hanger, vents and many places where it's not supposed to be nicely polished and shiny. I think it's rather coherent as a whole for now. There may be different ship constructor and models too. Each one having different engineer/architect. Although, I do regret a lot of "clunky" aspect of the exterior of the ship and the smooth/round/fluffy aspect of the inside.

https://trailer-track.com/2016/12/20/in-the-pipeline-the-alien-covenant-teaser-trailer-has-been-rated/

:)

Look into my eye, how in the hell did you manage to find that link. Fair play.

Quote from: Look into my eye on Dec 20, 2016, 05:01:15 PM
https://trailer-track.com/2016/12/20/in-the-pipeline-the-alien-covenant-teaser-trailer-has-been-rated/

:)

Cool! Thanks for the link.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 03:05:20 PM

Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 20, 2016, 03:02:45 PM
Someone wrote that on twitter:

130112062104 = 1.5 days to go
220512052104 = 2.5 days to go

I hope so. I'm not sure I could cope with waiting until Christmas day.

Also - has anyone noticed that one of the cryochambers isn't active?

Also the first one does not have the "CAUTION - MOVING PARTS" at the bottom??

Yup, they look like hanging laundry. ;D

Quote from: Le Celticant on Dec 20, 2016, 04:43:15 PM
I fail to see how it looks more advanced than this:

https://aambar.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/pics-1.png

In this regard, I think the nostromo actually looked more advance than many other ship.

Nostromo was a space tractor and had only seven passengers aboard that's why its cryo-chamber was big. They could afford it. Covenant is a colony ship with (probably) hundreds people. For that reason its cryo-chamber looks simple, functional and practical.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Dec 20, 2016, 04:31:49 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 03:05:20 PM
Also - has anyone noticed that one of the cryochambers isn't active?

Spoiler

Might be the Captain's (Daniel's husband) one I suppose.

I remember the animated version of this image had a lot of electrical flashing going on, might be during the storm when the Captain dies.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/CpBu4iAWEAAUd3-.jpg)

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My thoughts exactly, Eighth.

Abut the inconsistencies of the technological design, People forget the first movies almost came about 30-40 years ago. Tough still rooted in the alien universe, I reckon ridley wants to pursue a more current sci-fi feel. Think about how mad max did this with fury road, Almost like a reboot except it wasn't.

These movies are mostly rooted in the alien world through spirit, and not as much in rock solid continuation, I presume.

I love modern retro style. Cannot stand previous SW I, II and III design. Force Awakens and Rogue One came back to roots with the modern approach. I sincerely hope that Scott will do the same. Even new Blade Runner seems to follow that path. Retro works because it looks real and believable.

Everything Alien did in 79 doesn't work today. Take mothers chamber for instance, or the display screens. Star Wars is differently, because it is a universe on its own, While Alien is trying to portray OUR future.

Don't get me wrong; I LOVE Aliens aesthetics, But Ridley work Beyond style, I think if he is to represent sci-fi it needs to look plausible to him for the current times. And in this regard, the early films we all know and love may just be a little bit dated.

Quote from: bobby brown on Dec 20, 2016, 08:38:07 PM
Everything Alien did in 79 doesn't work today. Take mothers chamber for instance, or the display screens. Star Wars is differently, because it is a universe on its own, While Alien is trying to portray OUR future.

Worked fine in Alien: Isolation.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Dec 20, 2016, 08:45:34 PM

Quote from: bobby brown on Dec 20, 2016, 08:38:07 PM
Everything Alien did in 79 doesn't work today. Take mothers chamber for instance, or the display screens. Star Wars is differently, because it is a universe on its own, While Alien is trying to portray OUR future.

Worked fine in Alien: Isolation.

Exactly, plus it makes more sense in a lot of way.
The LHC may be one of the most advanced thing humanity has technologically achieved, but if you looked at the desk of the workers, you'd surprised to see Facebook and Google have much better headquarter :D

You do with the economy and the fact you must have functional things.
I always loved the "heavy" metal looking of the nostromo and claustrophobic aspect.
It's seems much more adequate to protect against the vaccuum of space especially if you have a large load.

Less than 36 hours till the trailer!

Put it this way. If I had to be using that cryochamber, I'd probably break it in 2 seconds flat.

I suppose it could all be gorilla glass and super sturdy, but it looks not particularly substantial to my eyes. Mind you, I liked the Interstellar cryo chambers because they used water presumably to counteract low gravity and cosmic radiation issues while needing to carry water for the journey anyway.

They've got the space/dimensions right though - battery chicken style - stack em high, sell em cheap.  Im not sure about vertical cryo though. If the covenant has gravity enabled during cryo this would cause lots of problems for the spine given we shrink over a normal day and require a night's horizontal sleep to decompress and return to normal height.

Without gravity, according to nasa/esa, fluid builds in the wrong parts of the body, so unless the cryos are being constantly rotated rotisserie style, that could also be something to consider.

Yes, Im being picky. But I would expect lessons to have been learned and more attention to science than Prometheus.

"It's a movie." --Ridley Scott.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Dec 20, 2016, 08:45:34 PM

Quote from: bobby brown on Dec 20, 2016, 08:38:07 PM
Everything Alien did in 79 doesn't work today. Take mothers chamber for instance, or the display screens. Star Wars is differently, because it is a universe on its own, While Alien is trying to portray OUR future.

Worked fine in Alien: Isolation.

Looked fine in Alien: Isolation.  Brilliant even.  But realistically, Amanda would've been retuning doors with some kind of touch screen rather than monochrome with 8 bit graphics.

I knew it, these cryotubes are like in Ark in Space:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F--DXdflY2E2E%2FUudR9BcHmsI%2FAAAAAAAAZ0M%2FOG6b2j5UYw0%2Fs1600%2Fdw-arkinspace-nervasleep_big.png&hash=0949a36fc0d6d215981af5911ec1248ad787bddd)

Xeno:

(https://georgesjournal.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/doctor_who_the_ark_in_space_the_wirrn.jpg)

Fifield mutant:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette4.wikia.nocookie.net%2Ftardis%2Fimages%2F0%2F0e%2FWirrn_Noah.jpg%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20141029182227&hash=5f9632b284338bc2709f47aed05f54813b163de9)

And yeah, Elizabeth Shaw.

Ridley worked for the BBC and almost designed the Daleks as well.

Quote from: SM on Dec 20, 2016, 09:59:30 PM

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Dec 20, 2016, 08:45:34 PM

Quote from: bobby brown on Dec 20, 2016, 08:38:07 PM
Everything Alien did in 79 doesn't work today. Take mothers chamber for instance, or the display screens. Star Wars is differently, because it is a universe on its own, While Alien is trying to portray OUR future.

Worked fine in Alien: Isolation.

Looked fine in Alien: Isolation.  Brilliant even.  But realistically, Amanda would've been retuning doors with some kind of touch screen rather than monochrome with 8 bit graphics.

Yeah but touch screens are lame.  :P

Quote from: SM on Dec 20, 2016, 09:59:30 PM

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Dec 20, 2016, 08:45:34 PM

Quote from: bobby brown on Dec 20, 2016, 08:38:07 PM
Everything Alien did in 79 doesn't work today. Take mothers chamber for instance, or the display screens. Star Wars is differently, because it is a universe on its own, While Alien is trying to portray OUR future.

Worked fine in Alien: Isolation.

Looked fine in Alien: Isolation.  Brilliant even.  But realistically, Amanda would've been retuning doors with some kind of touch screen rather than monochrome with 8 bit graphics.

I always had in mind they were running all stuff on very low consuming power OS.
Something like Linux based terrible with graphics but very efficient.
Touch screen makes more sense though, especially for safety of not having a button/switch down-off.

Interesting observations, Motherfather.

Gravity has always been an issue in the films which hasn't really been touched on. They're clearly able to induce an artificial gravity field, yet always use some kind of rocket thruster to produce actual momentum for ships.

Hasnt it been explained by Ridley already that the tech on the Nostromo was much lower on the food chain due to it being a mining/cargo hauling ship? Pretty sure that was mentioned when asked why the Prometheus was light years in technology past the Nostromo, with them only being 80 odd years apart.

Also, I believe it also came up as an explanation for the tech shown in Alien: Isolation too...

Im assuming a terraforming ship like the Covenant would have much higher technology in certain areas due to it, you know, carrying a large chunk of people who need to be healthy when theyre thawed out... As well as science tech that would allow for "modern" (at the time of Covenant) comforts and tooling.

Just saying...

Quote from: bobby brown on Dec 20, 2016, 08:38:07 PM
Everything Alien did in 79 doesn't work today. Take mothers chamber for instance, or the display screens. Star Wars is differently, because it is a universe on its own, While Alien is trying to portray OUR future.

I've spent an entire semester studying the aesthetics and motives of science fiction texts (visual or orthographic). I would have to disagree with you on its representation being our future. It may have been the future in the mind of a 1970s filmmaker or artist, but it is still an imagined "future of one moment of what is now our own past" (Jameson 151). Of course, Jameson is talking about Utopian writings of science fiction, but according to him, we have "[a] constitutional inability to imagine Utopia itself" (153) but in the same article, extends this logic to Dystopian concepts:

"All of this can be said in another way by showing that, if Soviet images of Utopia are ideological, our own characteristically Western images of dystopia are no less so, and fraught with equally virulent contradictions [...] Orwell's novel [1984] indeed, set out explicitly to dramatize the tyrannical omnipotence of a bureaucratic elite, with its perfected and omnipresent technological control [...] to show how, without freedom of thought, no science or scientific progress is possible, a thesis vividly reinforced by images of squalor and decaying buildings. The contradiction lies of course in the logical impossibility of reconciling these two propositions: if science and technological mastery are now hampered by the lack of freedom, the absolute technological power of the dystopian bureaucracy vanishes along with it and "totalitarianism" ceases to be a dystopia in Orwell's sense. Or the reverse: if these Stalinist masters dispose of some perfected scientific and technological power, then genuine freedom of inquiry must exist somewhere within this state, which was precisely- what was not to have been demonstrated" (155-6).

In regards to Alien's so-called envisioning of our future, Jameson would argue "...These visions are themselves now historical and dated-streamlined cities of the future on peeling murals-while our lived experience of our greatest metropolises is one of urban decay and blight. That particular Utopian future has in other words turned out to have been merely the future of one moment of what is now our own past.
   In reality, the relationship of this form of representation, this specific narrative apparatus, to its ostensible content-the future-has always been more complex than this. For the apparent realism, or representationality, of SF has concealed another, far more complex temporal structure: not to give us "images" of the future [...] but rather to defamiliarize and restructure our experience of our own present" (151).

In other words, there is no "future" in what Alien shows us. It is not a crystal ball in that sense. It reveals something in our own present that we cannot ordinarily see: "Elaborate strategies of indirection are therefore necessary if we are somehow to break through our monadic insulation and to "experience," for some first and real time, this 'present,' which is after all all we have" (151).

Jameson, Fredric. "Progress Versus Utopia; Or, Can We Imagine the Future?" Science Fiction Studies, vol. 9, no. 2, 1982, pp. 147-158.

Quote from: Le Celticant on Dec 20, 2016, 11:12:05 PM

Quote from: SM on Dec 20, 2016, 09:59:30 PM

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Dec 20, 2016, 08:45:34 PM

Quote from: bobby brown on Dec 20, 2016, 08:38:07 PM
Everything Alien did in 79 doesn't work today. Take mothers chamber for instance, or the display screens. Star Wars is differently, because it is a universe on its own, While Alien is trying to portray OUR future.

Worked fine in Alien: Isolation.

Looked fine in Alien: Isolation.  Brilliant even.  But realistically, Amanda would've been retuning doors with some kind of touch screen rather than monochrome with 8 bit graphics.

I always had in mind they were running all stuff on very low consuming power OS.
Something like Linux based terrible with graphics but very efficient.
Touch screen makes more sense though, especially for safety of not having a button/switch down-off.

It could've worked 'in-universe' had that pesky Riddles not had touch screens and handheld holograms in Prometheus.

Or you know, the technology was concieved in 1970s with crt monitors and this was concieved well...now.  :D Wow, though, for once cryochambers in an alien movie look different. Congrats hollywood, for some originality

They immediately struck me as industrial versions of the 2001 cryotubes.

Anyone got any idea on the size of the Covenant or the number of souls in cryosleep...not the dropship with our protagonists, talking about the orbiting mothership...