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Alien 5 will be delayed by the Avatar sequels and The Gone World according to new comments by Sigourney Weaver. Yesterday, Entertainment Weekly published an interview with Sigourney Weaver in the lead up to the 30th anniversary reunion at San Diego Comic Con.

Most sites are focusing on the comments about giving Ripley an ending (“it's a great story and it's satisfying to me to give this woman an ending“), something that was actually reported on three months ago or what appears to be a mis-interpretated quote regarding Alien 5 exploring the “Alien’s motivations” (“the script itself has so much in it that's so original, but also really satisfies the, I would say, the primal needs of the aliens“).

However, there’s a comment in there that few seem to be focusing on and that’s that it maybe sometime before Alien 5 begins filming…

"Now that we're waiting for that [Alien: Covenant], I have a couple of Avatars to do and Neill has The Gone World," Weaver says. "So we'll have to see what happens when we get back, when those projects are over."

Ridley Scott had always said it was his intention to film Alien: Covenant first and we had assumed that work would begin on Neill Blomkamp’s Alien not long after. This had previously been speculated to be so that Fox wasn’t saturating the market and having 2 Alien related films coming out in quick succession. However, it’s possible that had that request not been made then we’d have already seen Alien 5.

"Well, we have a great script. Fox asked us to delay so Ridley Scott could shoot his [second] Prometheus movie. That was too bad because we would have already done it by now."

It is possible that Weaver maybe able to start work on Alien 5 after Avatar 2 is done but Avatar 2 isn’t due for release until December 2018. Weaver did say she hoped it wouldn’t be too long though.

"I hope it won't be a few [years]. I hope it'll be a couple. But we'll see. Yeah."

With both James Cameron and Sigourney Weaver attending the reunion panel, we may hopefully get some more information about the timing. Blomkamp’s The Gone World currently has no release date set. Thanks to Omega Underground for the news.

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Well, I'll go grab the fork...

This f**king sucks so f**king much, I mean we don't live forever I don't want to wait 5 years to watch this film , in case fox hasn't notice weaver isn't that young these days because the film seems like an alternative sequel from aliens, its the fans that want this film and will support it the most, im not so sure weave may be able to deliver a stellar performance comparative to her Oscar nominated performance in aliens in 5 years time, if anything the majority of alien fans would want this over Alien Covenant and fox Prometheus didn't leave that good of a taste in people's mouth once they watched the film yes there was momentum towards its release yes people where excited to view it but no there not that keen on a sequel which fox knows all else the title would be Prometheus 2 regardless if the ships no longer in the film or not. I have to say cause I am pissed off we don't have alien 5 now I ain't watching Alien Covenant in theatre's and that's a promise.

I thought it's serious project but it's just something hidden in the fog... Bad news...

Dont blame those movies, blame Fox for pushing it back because of Prom 2.

Are all those people supposed to wait a home until Fox gives the ok?

They are going to do other stuff. And im sure the Avatar movies were decided on a long time ago and they had a nice space that Fox wasted.

I'm almost certain we'll see Alien 5 before any Avatar sequels.  :P

Well this just.. doesn't seem to really be going anywhere any time soon. And a part of me had been excited to see where Alien 5 aka Alien 3.2 would be going with the alternative timeline. If Fox keeps on doing this... there is a good chance that this will end up going nowhere, and fans will no longer be invested, Blomkamp might drop the project out of exhaustion of it being pushed back.

More and more, I'm convinced that this franchise is on it's last life line.

Rex, if you don't see Covenant - as other disgruntled fanboys may do also - there won't be an Alien 5 lol

For all we know, Weaver isn't even in all the Avatar sequels. ;)

Hmm this depends on How much of an involvement Sigourney will have in the Avatar sequels, its likely she'll have a presence amoung Eywa, an Obi-Wan force ghost type of return, not doubt be a reoccurring supporting character with limited involvement, but its sure to take up a fair amount of time from her schedule.

As for Neill's Gone World his films usually take 3 years to make, from conception, filming and post production, it may arrive on 2018/2019 or later. It would have been fitting for Neill's alien sequel to have been delivered on 2019 on the 40th Anniversary of the original Alien.

But with the shifted delays and the rumor of Ridley Scott turning the concept of Alien prequel into an unnecessary overly long saga we'll probably have to wait 5 years.

I'm hoping we'll get some more information about the timing of the Avatar sequels at SDCC. With both Weaver and Cameron being there it seems like the kind of thing that may come up. Is he supposing to be filming them back-to-back? I haven't really been following the Avatars.

It's crappy news and I'm disappointed to hear it.

Can't wait to see Elderly Cripley in action!

I'm looking forward to what will be revealed at the upcoming Comic Con.   You can bet Weaver will be pressed hard for some info on this movie by fans in attendance.

Nah... it's not the end of the franchise by a long shot.  'ALIEN: Isolation' was this series Renaissance.  Scott is making a trilogy of 'ALIEN' movies.  We are getting tons of awesome toys, comics and books.   This is Great time to be a fan of this series.  We'll see 'ALIEN 5' go into production yet. 

The only thing that's on it's 'last life line' is the nonsensical belief that Ripley is indispensible.   If it means a retcon is avoided, then I'm actually all in favorfor the delay.

-Windebieste.

Development hell. :P I'd much rather see Isolation 2 or more good Alien games anyway.

Quote from: windebieste on Jul 14, 2016, 08:08:57 AM
The only thing that's on it's 'last life line' is the nonsensical belief that Ripley is indispensible.   If it means a retcon is avoided, then I'm actually all in favorfor the delay.

This really needs to happen soon. We keep hearing about 3.2 being a passing of the torch which I'll be glad to see happen but I still think the retcon is completely unnecessary. But like I keep saying...as long as it's good.

Quote from: Xenomania on Jul 14, 2016, 08:32:20 AM
Development hell. :P I'd much rather see Isolation 2 or more good Alien games anyway.

I'm wondering if we might see something coming out in time for Covenant. Perhaps there's something that's in the works all sneaky sneaky.

Quote from: windebieste on Jul 14, 2016, 08:08:57 AM
'ALIEN: Isolation' was this series Renaissance. 

I'd give that to Prometheus..

Quote from: Scorpio on Jul 14, 2016, 09:02:50 AM

Quote from: windebieste on Jul 14, 2016, 08:08:57 AM
'ALIEN: Isolation' was this series Renaissance. 

I'd give that to Prometheus..

In that case at least something good came out of it! ;)

Like some have said in this thread, this could end up being a good thing. I don't mind having another Ripley Aliens picture but it is already long past due. It's likely they'll change the story to something more suitable. No offense to all the kids that absolutely love the idea of an alternative sequel to Aliens but Alien: Covenant is the one I'm banking on. Ridley Scott's trilogy is vastly more interesting than more "Aliens" movies and I f'n love Aliens!

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Quote from: windebieste on Jul 14, 2016, 08:08:57 AM
The only thing that's on it's 'last life line' is the nonsensical belief that Ripley is indispensible.   If it means a retcon is avoided, then I'm actually all in favorfor the delay.

This really needs to happen soon. We keep hearing about 3.2 being a passing of the torch which I'll be glad to see happen but I still think the retcon is completely unnecessary. But like I keep saying...as long as it's good.

Quote from: Xenomania on Jul 14, 2016, 08:32:20 AM
Development hell. :P I'd much rather see Isolation 2 or more good Alien games anyway.

I'm wondering if we might see something coming out in time for Covenant. Perhaps there's something that's in the works all sneaky sneaky.

I'm inclined to agree with the "as long as it's good" line of thinking. Having said that I'd much rather Blomkamp make an Aliens movie with original characters. It's just as easy to say that Alien Resurrection was a "what if" spin off and that Ripley's story ended with 3 (Yes Sigourney Weaver, you already gave Ripley a proper ending!) as it is to say Alien 3.2 will be a "what if".

So why don't we just forget about the "what ifs" and make something new!!!!!!!!!

Doubt very much it will happen now. Was there any reason it couldn't have just been shot but release delayed until after Covenant?

Quote from: Scorpio on Jul 14, 2016, 09:02:50 AM

Quote from: windebieste on Jul 14, 2016, 08:08:57 AM
'ALIEN: Isolation' was this series Renaissance. 

I'd give that to Prometheus..

Well, yeah.  I'd agree to that. 

Quote from: tmjhur on Jul 14, 2016, 10:23:56 AM...I'd much rather Blomkamp make an Aliens movie with original characters. It's just as easy to say that Alien Resurrection was a "what if" spin off and that Ripley's story ended with 3 (Yes Sigourney Weaver, you already gave Ripley a proper ending!) as it is to say Alien 3.2 will be a "what if".

So why don't we just forget about the "what ifs" and make something new!!!!!!!!!

Yep.  Exactly what's needed.  This whole retcon nonsense is old and tired - just like the characters that are desperately being shoe horned back into the series with this ludicrous proposal.  As for it 'being any good' as a viable concern, any such level of quality is precluded by the desperation this proposal hinges on.   It's not going to be any good.  It's going to be the worst kind of fan service.  We've already seen it occur with Hicks sloppy return in 'A:CM'.  Except in Blomkamp's current proposal this erroneous insipid ideal is amplified threefold.  You can't tell me that Hicks return in that game added value to the property.  It was laughable at best. 

There's no need for a retcon.  It won't be any good, anyway.  If Blomkamp wants to make 'ALIENS 2' then he should concentrate on  fresh experience featuring a new batch of USCM and their encounters with xenos.  That will keep everyone happy.   End of story.

-Windebieste.

I get the impression that Sigourney Weaver will be dead until they decide to shoot the friggn movie...

Fox's studio manipulation strikes again...

Definitely saw this coming. I think whiterabbit's comment said it best too.

YAY!!, By the time this movie is made, we'll be seeing Ripley using a walker slowly walking away from an alien chasing her, Ripley not being able to crouch into air shafts anymore due to back pain and forgetting her arthritis medication, and Ripley crashing the next escape shuttle by accident due to poor vision from aging. I can't wait for this movie now. Although, she might not have the ability to drive a power loader as I hear there is an age restriction for senior citizens. Although, if Ripley has bladder control problems in her senior years, maybe the alien chasing her will slip and fall from one of her accident puddles and she'll survive a fifth encounter with the alien.

Does Fox go out of their way to sabotage their own franchises? I really believe they do.

I'm not that bummed about this, only cause Blomkamp is a young guy and Sigourney/Biehn still have some years left on them, whereas Ridley is rapidly approaching the age of Peter Weyland lol.

This really sucks if true.  Why does this great-sounding movie have to be delayed for inferior-sounding movies?  Urrgghh.  I still believe this movie is gonna def happen though.

The Avatar sequels were supposed to have started filming in New Zealand this past April. What exactly is the hold-up now?

This also matches up with what Alien 5 concept artist, Calum Alexander Watt said about being in for "a long wait". Wayne Haag also mentioned that the other two Alien prequels would be filmed before Alien 5.

Quote from: Scorpio on Jul 14, 2016, 09:02:50 AM

Quote from: windebieste on Jul 14, 2016, 08:08:57 AM
'ALIEN: Isolation' was this series Renaissance. 

I'd give that to Prometheus..

That would be the fall of Rome.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 14, 2016, 03:04:39 PM
This also matches up with what Alien 5 concept artist, Calum Alexander Watt said about being in for "a long wait". Wayne Haag also mentioned that the other two Alien prequels would be filmed before Alien 5.

This is true. I'd been hoping Wayne was mistaken. But it'll be a long ass wait. I wouldn't have thought Ridley would film the others back-to-back either. I wonder if we're going to have to wait for all the Avatars. Is Jim filming those back-to-back?

Last time I heard Jim was going to film them back to back. Much cheaper that way, like how Peter Jackson filmed the Lord of the Rings films.

Doubt Ridley would film the last two prequels back-to-back though.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 14, 2016, 03:19:32 PM
Last time I heard Jim was going to film them back to back. Much cheaper that way, like how Peter Jackson filmed the Lord of the Rings films.

That shouldn't be too bad then, timewise.

QuoteDoubt Ridley would film the last two prequels back-to-back though.

Yeah, I don't see it either. He'll do at least another movie in between them. Unless he had that much fun on Covenant. I still think Covenant's reception will also play a huge factor in whether or not we'll see Blomkamp's anyway. So we still need Covenant to be good and do well.

So many roadblocks. We have Avatar 2, 3, and 4 to worry about but scenes for those movies are being shot out of order and in a haphazard fashion, Cameron described it as a sort of jigsaw puzzle. Not too worried about them.

But then we haven't had a The Gone World update yet. And then we still have two more Alien prequels. But Scott will surely film something in between Covenant and the next prequel. So when the final prequel comes out in 2021(two year gap seems reasonable), Alien 5 could come out in 2023!

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 14, 2016, 03:04:39 PM
The Avatar sequels were supposed to have started filming in New Zealand this past April. What exactly is the hold-up now?

They're trying to find out whatever happened to Sam Worthington.

Honestly after reading this, i somehow have very strong doubts that Alien 5 :Blomkampegeddon, will ever happen now

Ridley's 78... he better be thinking about filming them back to back.  :P

Although I'm trying to comprehend why anyone would want this movie instead of Ridley's Alien trilogy.

Well with Sigourney being 66 years old I think it's gonna be silly with her being chased by Aliens again. I really hope they don't mess this up. The Alien universe has already suffered enough.

I'd totally forgotten Avatars was on the horizon. That certainly will throw a spanner in the works. I know Weaver's confirmed even though she's dead.

Quote from: Stig783 on Jul 14, 2016, 07:57:32 PM
Well with Sigourney being 66 years old I think it's gonna be silly with her being chased by Aliens again. I really hope they don't mess this up. The Alien universe has already suffered enough.

You know Arnold Schwarzenegger is older than her.  So is Harrison Ford, and he's still playing Han Solo/Indiana Jones.  Thanks to stunt doubles.  :)

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 14, 2016, 07:43:11 PM
...I'm trying to comprehend why anyone would want this movie instead of Ridley's Alien trilogy.

I as well.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 14, 2016, 08:00:57 PM
I know Weaver's confirmed even though she's dead.

Sounds like eerie familiar circumstances eh? ::)

Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 14, 2016, 08:05:26 PMSounds like eerie familiar circumstances eh? ::)

:laugh: Touché, I didn't even think of that!

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Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 14, 2016, 07:43:11 PM
...I'm trying to comprehend why anyone would want this movie instead of Ridley's Alien trilogy.

I as well.

Same here.

I'm not bothered by this news at all, maybe it's a good thing because they might finally change things for Alien 5 and add more original characters. Alien shouldn't be shackled to RIpley, Newt or Hicks. It's a huge universe with so much more potential than that.

So I am much more excited for Covenant and the new characters and storyline it will introduce. Prometheus already was a sort of renaissance for this franchise. It has added so much for me to enjoy and I cannot wait to see what Covenant will expand upon.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 14, 2016, 07:43:11 PM
Ridley's 78... he better be thinking about filming them back to back.  :P

Although I'm trying to comprehend why anyone would want this movie instead of Ridley's Alien trilogy.

You know, it's possible to want both...

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Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 14, 2016, 07:43:11 PM
Ridley's 78... he better be thinking about filming them back to back.  :P

Although I'm trying to comprehend why anyone would want this movie instead of Ridley's Alien trilogy.

You know, it's possible to want both...

Exactly.

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Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 14, 2016, 07:43:11 PM
...I'm trying to comprehend why anyone would want this movie instead of Ridley's Alien trilogy.

I as well.

Same here.

I'm not bothered by this news at all, maybe it's a good thing because they might finally change things for Alien 5 and add more original characters. Alien shouldn't be shackled to RIpley, Newt or Hicks. It's a huge universe with so much more potential than that.

So I am much more excited for Covenant and the new characters and storyline it will introduce. Prometheus already was a sort of renaissance for this franchise. It has added so much for me to enjoy and I cannot wait to see what Covenant will expand upon.

This is where I am excited as well. 

I am beginning to believe it's entirely possible once 'ALIEN: Covenant' is released that the 2nd movie in this new trilogy will be directed by Blomkamp, bringing some of his narrative and concepts for 'ALIEN 5' with him.  At this rate, it wouldn't surprise me if Scott hands the reigns over to him for the 'ALIEN: Covenant' sequel.

Which I think would be the best way for Scott to step aside (while he directs some other Project) and permit the younger Director to flex his muscles without Blomkamp being shackled to the current childish premise that is 'ALIEN 5'.

Scott would then possibly return for the closing piece.  I am thinking this is very viable. 

-Windebieste.

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Jul 14, 2016, 08:18:44 PM

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Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 14, 2016, 07:43:11 PM
...I'm trying to comprehend why anyone would want this movie instead of Ridley's Alien trilogy.

I as well.

Same here.

Me too.  :)

Quote from: Valaquen on Jul 14, 2016, 08:38:40 PM

Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jul 14, 2016, 08:33:29 PM

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 14, 2016, 07:43:11 PM
Ridley's 78... he better be thinking about filming them back to back.  :P

Although I'm trying to comprehend why anyone would want this movie instead of Ridley's Alien trilogy.

You know, it's possible to want both...

Exactly.

Greedy aren't we. :P However if it's an either/or context, many would pick NB's Aliens 2 over Alien: Covenant. That's what I don't understand. From my point of view Ridley's Alien Universe seems to offer up so much more potential than the sequel many of us wanted, from 30 years ago.

Think about it, what went from a haunted house in space is now a story about the very existence of creation. I'm all on board with taking the alien straight into the twilight zone in an epic fashion. Us sci-fi/horror fans don't get this type of production very often. Especially when your turning the pages of one of Giger's books and thinking to yourself, holy shit, we may yet get to see this world on film. For all of Prometheus flaws, it's a damn good movie with so much unanswered content that just begs one to ponder about the universe. The populace can have their Avatar for all I care; but give me Alien.

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Jul 14, 2016, 08:18:44 PM

Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 14, 2016, 08:05:26 PM

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 14, 2016, 07:43:11 PM
...I'm trying to comprehend why anyone would want this movie instead of Ridley's Alien trilogy.

I as well.

Same here.

I'm not bothered by this news at all, maybe it's a good thing because they might finally change things for Alien 5 and add more original characters. Alien shouldn't be shackled to RIpley, Newt or Hicks. It's a huge universe with so much more potential than that.

So I am much more excited for Covenant and the new characters and storyline it will introduce. Prometheus already was a sort of renaissance for this franchise. It has added so much for me to enjoy and I cannot wait to see what Covenant will expand upon.

While I am very cautiously optimistic on Covenant, and I mean CAUTIOUSLY, I am more optimistic of Blomkamp's vision and here's why. Alien 3, for all its faults, I thoroughly enjoyed but always hated that they killed off Hicks and Newt. They were, in the comics, the continuation of the story. No Ripley.....not until the final act of that arc. Other stories following that were also successful and did not contain Ripley.

While I 100% agree with you, that the Alien franchise has near-limitless potential and doesn't need to be labored by the yoke of Ripley, I would respectfully disagree with you, as I did not find Prometheus to be what I was personally expecting and now Covenant will be Fox's parallel response to AVP with AVPR. Covenant will be so dark, so sinister, so graphic and in-your-face than Prometheus, we will forget we're watching an Alien movie and that is what I am fearful we will get.

For those that want that, fine. I respect that. But all I ask for in return is the same respect to those who will not be satisfied with this film.   

I hope it's delayed til it's dead.

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Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 14, 2016, 07:43:11 PM
...I'm trying to comprehend why anyone would want this movie instead of Ridley's Alien trilogy.

I as well.

Same here.

I'm not bothered by this news at all, maybe it's a good thing because they might finally change things for Alien 5 and add more original characters. Alien shouldn't be shackled to RIpley, Newt or Hicks. It's a huge universe with so much more potential than that.

So I am much more excited for Covenant and the new characters and storyline it will introduce. Prometheus already was a sort of renaissance for this franchise. It has added so much for me to enjoy and I cannot wait to see what Covenant will expand upon.

While I am very cautiously optimistic on Covenant, and I mean CAUTIOUSLY, I am more optimistic of Blomkamp's vision and here's why. Alien 3, for all its faults, I thoroughly enjoyed but always hated that they killed off Hicks and Newt. They were, in the comics, the continuation of the story. No Ripley.....not until the final act of that arc. Other stories following that were also successful and did not contain Ripley.

While I 100% agree with you, that the Alien franchise has near-limitless potential and doesn't need to be labored by the yoke of Ripley, I would respectfully disagree with you, as I did not find Prometheus to be what I was personally expecting and now Covenant will be Fox's parallel response to AVP with AVPR. Covenant will be so dark, so sinister, so graphic and in-your-face than Prometheus, we will forget we're watching an Alien movie and that is what I am fearful we will get.

For those that want that, fine. I respect that. But all I ask for in return is the same respect to those who will not be satisfied with this film.

Thanks for sharing your view on this, PRJ, you do have some valid concerns.

Even though I am not keen on Alien 5, as a fan I will still go see it. Ripley, Newt and Hicks won't make me not enjoy a film with our favourite monsters fighting our favourite space marines again (I wanted to see another Colonial Marine movie for a long time since I've seen Aliens). I just don't like the idea of them having to always use Ripley in everything. Alien is pseudo-realistic as opposed to a space opera such as Star Wars. I feel that there are so many fresh faces that can be facehugged, you know?  ;D Ripley encountering them too many times can be less coincidental and more "here we go again..."

In Alien it made sense due to a chance encounter, in Aliens it also made sense due to her going back to the same place, in Alien 3 it made sense due to an accident involving these critters, and in Resurrection it made sense due to them cloning the things. I wonder what would motivate Ripley in the new film?

Some people have raised interesting views on how to enjoy Alien 5 and still see Alien 3 and Resurrection as relevant.

Someone suggested an idea of seeing Alien 5 as a sort of "flash before her eyes" of what could've been while Ripley is falling into the furnace. It holds a similar parallel to the "it was all a dream" some fans have suggested for Alien 3 and Resurrection.

Yup honestly at this rate just let the idea go.  Write up a new story with new characters and lets do this. 

I'm trying to figure how they can include 3+4 while still carrying on from Aliens and I wonder if Blomkamp's story could fall somewhere along this path; Ripley is part of the grand experiment, a resourceful, instinctive, indefatigable fighter - the very best qualities of humankind. Rescued from the Sulaco, she's has been in stasis for years, but she's also been cloned and sent out to face different "exercises" against the Xenomorphs in a bid to understand their behaviour. Alien 3 and 4 are examples of these "exercises" - in some of these other universes, she's also failed - and perhaps we have a glimpse into these. The original Ripley is awakened, discovers the company's ultimate goal, to have the alien deployed as the ultimate weapon and now so trained in tackling Earth's most determined warrior, they are virtually unbeatable. Anyway, you get the gist - any other theories? 

Firstly, I'm quite looking forward to 'Avatar's sequels as that universe has a lot of potential.
Secondly, I hate 'Prometheus' for how awfully it's written and irrelevant it is in this universe.
Thirdly, I love 'Alien 3' and think so many people are so caught up on what they wanted that they ignore what they got. I am so glad Newt and Hicks were killed off in 'Alien 3' for numerous reasons (see multiple previous posts on other threads) and regardless, the whole idea of 'Alien 5' is basically fan service made official. Thoughts there aside, I may go and see 'Alien 5' depending on whether or not I like the trailer and how much it's linked to 'Prometheus'.
The same can't be said for 'Alien: Covenant' however which I have no plans to watch after the horror (not in the intended way) that was 'Prometheus'.
Regarding where it's been said that this universe has so much more to offer and shouldn't be restricted to Ripley's story, I disagree. a) What works in comics isn't the same as what works in films and b) the 'Alien' series is not about the universe. It is about Ripley. She's not just someone we follow to see the adventure. She's the best part of the story. The aliens are where the action/horror is but the story is her's. This attitude of people's misses the point of the series and is such a studio mindset. The 'Alien' films are so artistic and thematic and constantly symbolic of other things. It's not an "ooh look here's a cool alien"... "ooh look someone's dying in a really cool way"... "ooh look pretty CGI"... "did you miss the art. Here it is. In your face. Just in case you missed it. Oh and we'll put some fan service over here". Stop cheapening the franchise and while I appreciate the ideas behind 'Prometheus' it did not work at all (past the first half hour maybe); stop sucking every franchise dry and do something original.

Scorpio: "You know Arnold Schwarzenegger is older than her.  So is Harrison Ford, and he's still playing Han Solo/Indiana Jones."

- You're not really making your case there. Arnold's a bad actor generally though that said, I did like 'Escape Plan'. As for Harrison Ford... wow he sucked in the latest 'Indiana Jones' and 'Star Wars' cash grabs.

"We have to f**k around for 5 or so years because of stuff and things and reasons before filming." God, this shit is tiresome. I'm not even that into the idea of Alien 5, but I wish they'd just cut the nonsense and film the f**king movie already.

Quote from: CelticPred97 on Jul 15, 2016, 12:30:03 AM
Scorpio: "You know Arnold Schwarzenegger is older than her.  So is Harrison Ford, and he's still playing Han Solo/Indiana Jones."

C'mon then, I wanna see what happens in 'Star Wars' VIII.  Will we see the re-appearance of Han Solo?

No.  Do you want to know why?  Well, maybe it's got something to do with the face the character is dead.  And the notion of retconning dead characters back is just stupid.  DEAD.  Even in a fairy tale Universe like 'Star Wars' it's just stupid. As for that last 'Indiana Jones movie'... BWAHAHAHAAAA!!!!1!!     You want more of that?!  You're kidding, right.  You must be. 

...oh and the same can be said for 'Terminator: Genysis'.  Yeah.  You're kidding.  I get the gag now.  LOL.  :laugh:

Just let go of these tired old characters, already.  Sheesh.

-Windebieste.

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Quote from: CelticPred97 on Jul 15, 2016, 12:30:03 AM
Scorpio: "You know Arnold Schwarzenegger is older than her.  So is Harrison Ford, and he's still playing Han Solo/Indiana Jones."

C'mon then, I wanna see what happens in 'Star Wars' VIII.  Will we see the re-appearance of Han Solo?

No.  Do you want to know why?  Well, maybe it's got something to do with the face the character is dead.  And the notion of retconning dead characters back is just stupid.  DEAD.  Even in a fairy tale Universe like 'Star Wars' it's just stupid. As for that last 'Indiana Jones movie'... BWAHAHAHAAAA!!!!1!!     You want more of that?!  You're kidding, right.  You must be. 

...oh and the same can be said for 'Terminator: Genysis'.  Yeah.  You're kidding.  I get the gag now.  LOL.  :laugh:

Just let go of these tired old characters, already.  Sheesh.

-Windebieste.

Look on the bright side, Winde, a lot can happen in the upcoming years. This thing might be scrapped and a more original story for Alien 5 might take its place!

They can still keep a similar atmosphere of Aliens and Alien, easily! I bet even if they scrapped Ripley, Newt and Hicks, almost 99,9999999% of the fandom, including many that wanted these characters, will still be f**king happy to get an Alien 5 without them but with the same themes.

But no, let's divide the fandom with some fan (dis)service. I wish Bomkamp stuck to his original idea... at least it had new characters.  :-\

I might still watch this film, borrow it from a friend or something and check it out.

I would love to see Blomkamp make an 'ALIEN' movie.  He's certainly got the talent, experience and technical expertise for one.  Hell, I'd love it if he made a direct sequel to 'ALIENS'!  It could even be a story about another group of USCM encountering xenos on a different planet.  People would love that! 

Everybody I know would love a new 'ALIENS' movie.  Not everyone I know wants a retcon.

A fresh take on the themes and situations developed in the 2nd movie that runs parallel to the events of 'ALIEN 3' without the need for  a retcon is possible - and preferable.   Hell, even I could come up with a story of that nature and credibly solve the problem of the egg aboard the Sulaco thus keeping everyone happy* and I'm not even a writer! LOL.

It can be done.

...but no.  Weaver is prematurely big-mouthing and pushing hard for this retcon nonsense.   You are correct, it is the worst kind of 'fan (dis)service'.  Well, it's all talk and nonsense at this stage, anyway.  It's guaranteed to change, that's for sure.

-Windebieste.

*Except for those few fans who still think it's 1988 and Ripley, Hicks and Newt aren't dead. 

THANK GOD. The idea of Alien 5 retconning the series always made me sick to my stomach. This is the best news I've heard all day.

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...I'm trying to comprehend why anyone would want this movie instead of Ridley's Alien trilogy.

I as well.

Same here.

I'm not bothered by this news at all, maybe it's a good thing because they might finally change things for Alien 5 and add more original characters. Alien shouldn't be shackled to RIpley, Newt or Hicks. It's a huge universe with so much more potential than that.

So I am much more excited for Covenant and the new characters and storyline it will introduce. Prometheus already was a sort of renaissance for this franchise. It has added so much for me to enjoy and I cannot wait to see what Covenant will expand upon.

Dude, I couldn't agree more. 

Quote from: windebieste on Jul 15, 2016, 01:16:14 AM
You want more of that?!  You're kidding, right.  You must be. 

The particular fella you quoted already he wasn't too fussed but if the trailer is good, he'll give it a go? He doesn't want the retcon. At the end of the day, that's what it's going to be down to. If it's good, then yay.

We might not even see Alien 3.2 at this rate. Weaver is pushing but the timing is not on their side. By the time they get around to it, the interest might have gone or Blomkamp might not be arsed. This will be twice he's been burned on existing licenses by the same company.

I have no particularly strong feelings about Blomkamp's Alien film.

That being said, f*ck the Avatar movies. I can't even stand the first one anymore.

My own opinion, right or wrong, is that if I found a fan-boy Aliens sequel on youtube with 100m+ production values, or whatever, with original cast members it would be like Christmas morning, no Prometheus pun intended, just like when I found that amazing fan-movie by Trevor :) I don't care what they do when I approach it like this. I say I'm all out of blue-ray commentaries and makings of, I want some new material! I respect, but don't understand some of the hate this movie's premise has attracted. I was sad the frost/newt fan-movie got red carded, so I hope this gets done. Good on you Blomkamp for trying to get this bird in the air.

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I have no particularly strong feelings about Blomkamp's Alien film.

That being said, f*ck the Avatar movies. I can't even stand the first one anymore.

f**kn'A Man. Plus after seeing Weaver in Ghostbusters 3, I'm done with all assertions that bringing her back for an aliens movie is a good idea.

Oh, on a side note, in my opinion, if they do bin Blomkamp's film could we petition Fox to remove that cease and desist on the frost/newt fan film as it would really spark of dog in the manger by Fox if they didn't let it go forward as it seems they red carded it so it wouldn't distract from Blomkamp's project?

Windebieste:

QuoteEverybody I know would love a new 'ALIENS' movie.  Not everyone I know wants a retcon.

- I wouldn't love a new 'Aliens'. I love 'Aliens' but... or rather and I don't care to see a cheaper version.
I was going to say I don't want a retcon more but I'm not sure which i dislike more as someone who cares about film. I think it depends how much 'Alien 5' plans on tying into 'Prometheus' and how fan service-y 'Alien 5' will be (premise aside).

Well I assume she was contractually obligated to clear her slots for James Cameron's sequels when it came time, plus she is getting a paycheck probably bigger than what Ridley Scott would be offering.

rip alien 5

those avatar movies will take 10 years to make.

at least we got alien covenant to look foward to.

So the fellas at Perfect Organism are quite against this news. One of their hosts has reported on Weyland-Yutani Bulletin that they've got a source that has told them the film is currently in production under a different name.

It's not uncommon for a film to use codenames during production anyway so if it was in production I wouldn't be surprised to learn it had a codename.

Have these Perfect Organism guys proved reliable in the past?

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 15, 2016, 07:50:40 PM
So the fellas at Perfect Organism are quite against this news. One of their hosts has reported on Weyland-Yutani Bulletin that they've got a source that has told them the film is currently in production under a different name.

It's not uncommon for a film to use codenames during production anyway so if it was in production I wouldn't be surprised to learn it had a codename.

I doubt it. If they are so sure then they should at least be able to provide proof. And why would Blomkamp film it under a cloak of secrecy anyway?

Bingo...

It's a 20th Century Fox property - it's going to need an Official announcement made before this rumor is credible.

-Windebieste.

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/james-cameron-avatar-1201753774/

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He first envisioned two sequels. But after meeting with a team of four screenwriters and a group of "some of the top artists and designers in the world," he realized that he had way too much material for just two films. He initially decided on three sequels, then jumped to four.

The other three films will be released at Christmas-time in 2020, 2022 and 2023. "That is our game plan," Cameron said.

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So there is four sequels . When will Weaver be available? Around the middle of 2018?

I have doubts.

There are 12 months in a year. Movies film out of order. Heck, Cameron is filming all of the sequels out of order, at the same time, so it's like on giant jigsaw puzzle. One scene from Avatar 3 here, then one from Avatar 4 next, then Avatar 2, etc.

They'll accommodate Weaver.

All of the shooting in Avatar will be simultaneously.  It's the post production period that takes so long because of all the CGI.

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Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 14, 2016, 07:43:11 PM
...I'm trying to comprehend why anyone would want this movie instead of Ridley's Alien trilogy.

I as well.

Same here.

I'm not bothered by this news at all, maybe it's a good thing because they might finally change things for Alien 5 and add more original characters. Alien shouldn't be shackled to RIpley, Newt or Hicks. It's a huge universe with so much more potential than that.

So I am much more excited for Covenant and the new characters and storyline it will introduce. Prometheus already was a sort of renaissance for this franchise. It has added so much for me to enjoy and I cannot wait to see what Covenant will expand upon.

While I am very cautiously optimistic on Covenant, and I mean CAUTIOUSLY, I am more optimistic of Blomkamp's vision and here's why. Alien 3, for all its faults, I thoroughly enjoyed but always hated that they killed off Hicks and Newt. They were, in the comics, the continuation of the story. No Ripley.....not until the final act of that arc. Other stories following that were also successful and did not contain Ripley.

While I 100% agree with you, that the Alien franchise has near-limitless potential and doesn't need to be labored by the yoke of Ripley, I would respectfully disagree with you, as I did not find Prometheus to be what I was personally expecting and now Covenant will be Fox's parallel response to AVP with AVPR. Covenant will be so dark, so sinister, so graphic and in-your-face than Prometheus, we will forget we're watching an Alien movie and that is what I am fearful we will get.

For those that want that, fine. I respect that. But all I ask for in return is the same respect to those who will not be satisfied with this film.

Thanks for sharing your view on this, PRJ, you do have some valid concerns.

Even though I am not keen on Alien 5, as a fan I will still go see it. Ripley, Newt and Hicks won't make me not enjoy a film with our favourite monsters fighting our favourite space marines again (I wanted to see another Colonial Marine movie for a long time since I've seen Aliens). I just don't like the idea of them having to always use Ripley in everything. Alien is pseudo-realistic as opposed to a space opera such as Star Wars. I feel that there are so many fresh faces that can be facehugged, you know?  ;D Ripley encountering them too many times can be less coincidental and more "here we go again..."

In Alien it made sense due to a chance encounter, in Aliens it also made sense due to her going back to the same place, in Alien 3 it made sense due to an accident involving these critters, and in Resurrection it made sense due to them cloning the things. I wonder what would motivate Ripley in the new film?

Some people have raised interesting views on how to enjoy Alien 5 and still see Alien 3 and Resurrection as relevant.

Someone suggested an idea of seeing Alien 5 as a sort of "flash before her eyes" of what could've been while Ripley is falling into the furnace. It holds a similar parallel to the "it was all a dream" some fans have suggested for Alien 3 and Resurrection.

Very interesting. I really have no objection to fans creating their own scenarios for how and why the films fit into their own continuity. I encourage it because when I speak to people about the films just out of curiosity, I get more interest out of 3 than Resurrection and the idea of Alien 5 usually takes center stage rather than Covenant. This is my personal experience anyway.

Ripley's story, as far as I'm concerned, was concluded in Alien 3. Her new motivation with the film would have to be to protect her new family in Newt and Hicks. And of course WY will be there trying to get her for information, experimentation and, of course, to keep their doings a secret. What we have seen of the concept art would suggest they somehow get to the location where another derelict has been unearthed (or just discovered on the surface, the ship looks old and covered in debris) and they have to face the nightmare one more time. I wouldn't be surprised if Ripley sacrifices herself again in this story but Newt and Hicks live so we can finally get our Earth War arc and branch out into the other comic stories like Genocide, Labyrinth and Berserker and set the stage for an AVP reboot featuring Machiko. One man's dreams anyways...

Personally.. I just don't mind the direction which Weaver and Blomkamp wanna go in, and if we consider their statements... Nothing is being retconned. I don't understand why people are assuming that a diverging timeline automatically means it's a retcon. It just means we have more than one continuity, and that no matter which one we pick, it's all equally true and no one is invalidated. From what I've gathered, based on Weaver and Blomkamp's statements, Alien 3 and Resurrection still happened but elsewhere. I don't see this as a bad thing, I don't get why everyone else does.

To me, and this is how I see things, it just means we don't HAVE to follow a linear path. We have choices. So why is having a choice a bad thing? Someone please enlighten me.

Because every major franchise has a linear path. You can't get a film greenlit unless it's linear. It's in the updated Hollywood manual under one of the early sections.

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Because every major franchise has a linear path.

I could name a few which don't. This answer... doesn't answer my question.

So I'm hoping someone like Alien Predator or PRJ_1990 answers for me.

The respective studios of Halloween and Godzilla have confirmed that the canons are linear, despite the convoluted film plots.

Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jul 16, 2016, 05:25:08 AM
The respective studios of Halloween and Godzilla have confirmed that the canons are linear, despite the convoluted film plots.

Actually, I wasn't even going to bring those up but as for Halloween and Godzilla's continuity... well, that's not entirely true. Both film series do have multiple continuities and fans can pick and choose which ones they want. They're all equally true.

I've become disillusioned about canon, and in my opinion, a singular line is actually a limiting thing. I think divergences are what make things interesting and fans would be able to choose which storyline they want to follow and not be invalidated. I mean I'm just looking at the statements which Weaver and Blomkamp have been saying since December of 2014 and so far, it seems like we're getting a divergent thing.

If both of Ripley's endings are true, and fans can pick which ending they want, what's the bad in that?

For a horror franchise it means nothing matters. Death is the main driving force in these films -- things trying to kill you, while you try not to die. That's completely irrelevant if you're just going to drag people back to life like literally nothing happened.

Also makes us much more susceptible to getting shit films. This one sucks? don't worry, we'll just ignore it in six months. That one sucks too? Man, it's almost like we know we don't actually need to try. With enough marketing we'll still make a profit by the time people realised they've been had.

I understand your point, I really do but... I could also ask, isn't that generally Hollywood overall?

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Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jul 16, 2016, 05:25:08 AM
The respective studios of Halloween and Godzilla have confirmed that the canons are linear, despite the convoluted film plots.

Actually, I wasn't even going to bring those up but as for Halloween and Godzilla's continuity... well, that's not entirely true. Both film series do have multiple continuities and fans can pick and choose which ones they want. They're all equally true.

I've become disillusioned about canon, and in my opinion, a singular line is actually a limiting thing. I think divergences are what make things interesting and fans would be able to choose which storyline they want to follow and not be invalidated. I mean I'm just looking at the statements which Weaver and Blomkamp have been saying since December of 2014 and so far, it seems like we're getting a divergent thing.

If both of Ripley's endings are true, and fans can pick which ending they want, what's the bad in that?

Because it's in the rule book. "No non-linear narratives of any nature."

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Because it's in the rule book.

What rule book? Do you have a link to something which details this definitive rule book?

I'll try to find it.

Yeah, I'll be waiting for proof of such a rule book.

In the meantime, thank you SiL, for providing me with your answer. I understand that fans want things and events in these films to count but this is my personal opinion, and solely mine... I just feel like as if having choices aren't a bad thing. Again, just my opinion because well... this is fiction, and Fox is going to do what they like with the franchise. Sure, not a lot of people are going to agree with their decisions but.. it's the nature of the beast, I suppose.

Not everyone's going to be pleased but as it stands... it's going to be a wait and see. So far, if this movie is going to keep on being delayed, worse case scenario? The movie is scrapped.

Quote from: SiL on Jul 16, 2016, 05:46:45 AMFor a horror franchise it means nothing matters. Death is the main driving force in these films -- things trying to kill you, while you try not to die. That's completely irrelevant if you're just going to drag people back to life like literally nothing happened.

Yeah, this. One of the reasons I hate so many comics and superhero movies is because they just keep bringing people back to life, thereby making the consequences of death utterly irrelevant.

I loved X-Men: The Last Stand because (much like Alien 3) it had the balls to off major characters and prove there are real consequences involved. It gave the story added weight. But then they just went and resurrected everybody in the sequels. It's just lame.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 15, 2016, 09:47:08 PM
I doubt it. If they are so sure then they should at least be able to provide proof. And why would Blomkamp film it under a cloak of secrecy anyway?

Yeah, I don't see why they'd do it secretly. The project seems to have done really well feeding off the public support (possibly even being the reason it was greenlit) so that seems odd to me.

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Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jul 16, 2016, 05:07:13 AM
Because every major franchise has a linear path.

I could name a few which don't. This answer... doesn't answer my question.

So I'm hoping someone like Alien Predator or PRJ_1990 answers for me.

SiL has summed up some great points.

I think diverging timelines works a bit better in the EU, and technically it's sort of there. I mentioned to you once that the Hish books are basically their own things and unrelated to the Alien vs Predator universe because the backstory is so different. Humans reverse engineer alien tech and they have also made Earth almost inhospitable. And this is 2107 I think?

Meanwhile Aliens as of 2179 shows Earth as perfectly fine, plus some novels were set on Earth past 2107 and humans lived on it just fine. And the new novels mention no reverse engineering, in fact we don't meet our first aliens (Arcturians) until at least the 2160's.

Those are just a few examples of why I think multiple continuities are a bit easier to accept in an expanded universe. And frankly, even those don't really bring back dead characters, the majority of them (especially the new stuff now) try to fit into established lore. They went so far as to change Newt and Hicks after Alien 3 and Resurrection came out so as to keep the stories relevant to the film universe.

The whole point with a singular timeline, Rakai, is to tell a story. Additional stories literally expand the universe as a whole. You may think it is limiting, but I respectfully disagree because just one universe is limitless. And most of the stories are set in the 22nd and 23rd centuries, so they have virtually the entire 3rd Millennium to cover. Not to mention our history too with all the Predator encounters which could go as far back as even prehistory.

it's as versatile as Assassin's Creed, you can take this franchise to any era of time without having to diverge timelines or make things irrelevant. The other point of Alien is it's a dark and gritty universe where literally no one is safe.

She's the main character? Be worried, she could die just as any other character did so far! Might not happen in this movie... might be the next one!

As opposed to what SiL said, "don't worry, she'll be back."

Also many fans hate the idea of making AvP like Star Trek. This is something I've seen people (even you occasionally) use, where they would say "it's too much like Star Trek", "this peace conference between Predators and humans is too Trekky", "this translator, it makes AvP more like Trek..."

Well, Alien and Predator lack something Star Trek has in spades = official and in-universe diverging timelines.

I think this should be left out of the movies. Let the films have a proper timeline, a proper history for us to enjoy and catalogue. The EU isn't as "in your face" about diverging from something established in a prior story. And those that diverged too much weren't as well received. Who actually remembers... no, who KNOWS of the Hish besides hardcore fans? Yet even the most casual people know "Yautja". Heck, I got the Alien vs Pinball game, and noticed "YAU - TJA" written on the pinball table in the AvP map.

That's because the stories with the Yautja are much more beloved and known about due to the fact they had a respect for established lore and fit in quite well.

It's not like the new ST films where out of nowhere, an Engineer ship just comes back from the 41st millennium and f**ks up the whole current flow of time.  :laugh:

Also, look at the reaction people have to "The Predator" and compare it to the reactions of "Alien 5". It seems obvious that the majority want a singular timeline. Black says he will continue this as a sequel because there's so much to explore in what's established. Whereas Bomkamp just wants to give his version of a "true" ending to his favourite character.

It's acceptable for Godzilla, Star Trek, TMNT and Terminator because those have in-universe time travel, in-universe paradoxes, in-universe official diverging timelines. I'm not a fan of the concept, but I can accept it in those franchises (and I like those listed as well, I grew up with Terminator and Godzilla).

But Alien and Predator are grounded, pseudo-realistic settings like Assassin's Creed. We have yet to find a diverging timeline in real life lol. Not every story needs one because frankly, just "one" is enough. Just one can make this franchise bigger than two or three.

So, that's my essay on why I think one timeline is enough.  :)

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Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 15, 2016, 09:47:08 PM
I doubt it. If they are so sure then they should at least be able to provide proof. And why would Blomkamp film it under a cloak of secrecy anyway?

Yeah, I don't see why they'd do it secretly. The project seems to have done really well feeding off the public support (possibly even being the reason it was greenlit) so that seems odd to me.

Exactly. It could be that their source confused Blomkamp's next film, The Gone World for Alien 5. Gone World will probably be going into production soon and it also happens to be a Fox property as well. And who are we going to believe, some unnamed, shady insider passing along information to a couple of fans or Sigourney Weaver's (who I suspect will executive produce) public statements.

I remember while they were busy filming Chappie, one newspaper erroneously reported that Chappie was just a cover name and that Blomkamp was actually filming a District 9 sequel since it was being filmed in the same place that D9 was. Of course we never got that D9 sequel, did we?

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 16, 2016, 02:50:20 PM
And who are we going to believe, some unnamed, shady insider passing along information to a couple of fans or Sigourney Weaver's (who I suspect will executive produce) public statements.

The fact that it had been comments coming from Weaver (and straight-forward ones) was what took me back a little at the instance it was wrong. We all know what it's like having those sources you can't divulge though. We'll find out eventually though.

I might not be a fan of the concept but I wouldn't mind it if they were filming secretly.

RakaiThwei + BishopShouldGo - I don't know about 'Godzilla' but I'm not sure how 'Halloween' is at all non-linear. There's an original series and a remake series but they both run linearly.

SiL - I agree.

HuDaFuK - I don't think that's a fair comment about superhero movies generally. It's a comment about the MCU and one I agree with by the way. The MCU is so afraid to kill anyone off and when it does... it doesn't.
As for 'X-Men: The Last Stand' I love that it killed off characters (not necessarily in the ways that it did) but I don't like that movie overall. I find it boring basically but can understand liking it.
'Alien: Resurrection' though didn't resurrect everybody, just Ripley and despite the fact that I dislike that that's a money-grab I did like the way that story was done (in terms of the resurrection). That film is flawed but I can watch it mostly for its resurrection storyline so while it's easy to just write it off as a money-grab it was interestingly done, I feel.

TheSmashingTesticles - While the very premise of 'Alien 5' is licensed fan fiction and I expect it will try to be fan service-y, I think 'The Predator' has a much higher chance of failing as a movie. At the very least, I assume 'Alien 5' will be in some ways interesting whereas 'The Predator' could be just another Predator movie that's kind of forgettable and quite filled with fan service. If Arnold Schwarzenegger is cast, that's my hopes gone for that movie. To say it's going to surpass it by hundreds of miles seems ridiculous to me (unless you're all for cheap action movies).

For the record BishopShouldGo is taking the piss.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 16, 2016, 05:52:56 AM
I understand your point, I really do but... I could also ask, isn't that generally Hollywood overall?

Not at all. "f**k continuity, let's just do whatever" is a very recent concept, at least at the scale we're seeing.

Quote from: CelticPred97 on Jul 16, 2016, 09:48:30 PM
RakaiThwei + BishopShouldGo - I don't know about 'Godzilla' but I'm not sure how 'Halloween' is at all non-linear. There's an original series and a remake series but they both run linearly.

Not necessarily the thread for this, so you could PM me if you wanna get deeper into this.. BUT I'll answer it here. Even in Halloween's original series, there are two continuities-- you have the Halloween IV - VI timeline, and the H20 timeline which ignores IV-VI completely and apparently, a script writer or director of H20 had said IV - VI are an alternate timeline. So even the original series isn't at all linear.

Quote from: SiL on Jul 17, 2016, 12:38:30 AM
Not at all. "f**k continuity, let's just do whatever" is a very recent concept, at least at the scale we're seeing.

How recent are we talking? Because... I could think of several films going back from the 80s and 90s which more or less does this. But if you're talking about in the scale we're seeing in... Mmmm... I'll give you that.

And Alien-Predator, I'd love to respond to your post BUT I just feel like we would be taking the thread off-topic, since I want to really better respond to you, so you're probably better off actually PMing me about it.

BEST NEWS EVER!! NO ALIEN 5 fan garbage!

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BEST NEWS EVER!! NO ALIEN 5 fan garbage!

I thought you disowned Alien 3 and wanted the negs destroyed?

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Quote from: Fincher on Jul 18, 2016, 04:03:01 PM
BEST NEWS EVER!! NO ALIEN 5 fan garbage!

I thought you disowned Alien 3 and wanted the negs destroyed?

Maybe it's another Fincher.  :P

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Quote from: Fincher on Jul 18, 2016, 04:03:01 PM
BEST NEWS EVER!! NO ALIEN 5 fan garbage!

I thought you disowned Alien 3 and wanted the negs destroyed?

:D

Seriously though, I wish Fincher would lighten up a bit. Despite its flaws, there's so much beauty in Alien3! I can't think of a horror film since that was so artfully shot.

Anyway, back to topic...

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Quote from: Fincher on Jul 18, 2016, 04:03:01 PM
BEST NEWS EVER!! NO ALIEN 5 fan garbage!

I thought you disowned Alien 3 and wanted the negs destroyed?

:D

Seriously though, I wish Fincher would lighten up a bit. Despite its flaws, there's so much beauty in Alien3! I can't think of a horror film since that was so artfully shot.

Anyway, back to topic...

I agree. Out of all the films, Alien 3 had some of the funniest characters. I freakin' love the extended edition.  :P

And everytime I read your name, I read it in Andrews' voice. I can't help it lol.

And just now I finally get why Eighth Passenger said "I thought you disowned Alien 3"... I just checked Alien 3 out on Wikipedia randomly and noticed "Fincher has disowned the film" while skimming the first few paragraphs.

Oh the shame of ignorance... it burns!

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Jul 19, 2016, 08:32:15 PMeverytime I read your name, I read it in Andrews' voice. I can't help it lol.

Mission accomplished!  :D

I think my favourite comedic line in Alien3 is Pete Postelthwaite's wonderfully understated, "have YOU got some sort of plan?"  ;D

For me, it's Morse's curiously posh, "F*ck!" after Andrews is taken :laugh:

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 19, 2016, 09:13:57 PM
For me, it's Morse's curiously posh, "f**k!" after Andrews is taken :laugh:

Classic!  :D

Also, it's a bit delightful how we're talking about our love of Alien3 in a thread about a movie that's disowned it.  :P

I love that line as well, HuDa, I laugh every time.  :laugh:

I also love the line where 85 is like "well I'm all outta ideas," and Morse was all "that doesn't surprise me."

And the "you f**king scared me SHITLESS!"

And that guy when he finds the jammed door and is like "GUUUUYS..." cracks me up...

There's too many to list.  :laugh:

I love Alien 3.  I rate it just behind the second movie and thought it was a decent way to end a trilogy because it wasn't expected and wasn't the all tidy and neat gift wrapped endings we get in every other franchise.

HOWEVER, since I don't really believe anything can right the wrongs of Alien Res, Prometheus, and two AvP movies, I'm pretty much down with anything.

I say bring it on, you'll still like the original movies no matter what happens.




It is kind of sad the best Alien related media we've had recently has been Isolation, a videogame. 

So the guys at Perfect Organism Pod believe that Alien 5 has secretly begun production already. Their latest pod directly states this was their thinking based on Aaron's (Corporal Hicks) posting on their FB page about Weaver's comments regarding delays due to Avatar 2, etc.

Give it a listen.

It's plausible however I'm more convinced Weaver is genuinely and strategically saying these things to push Fox into getting the ball rolling.

So their words are speculation. Just like anyone else's.

I get it. I want Alien 5 badly too. But it's not secretly in production. However I do believe if Weaver wasn't always bringing it up its traction would die.

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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 19, 2016, 09:13:57 PM
For me, it's Morse's curiously posh, "f**k!" after Andrews is taken :laugh:

Classic!  :D

Also, it's a bit delightful how we're talking about our love of Alien3 in a thread about a movie that's disowned it.  :P

The Assembly Cut will always be my favorite film of the series. I love Morse's overall lines in the film, brillantly played.

My favorite scene/moment is easily when Ripley + 85 are in the EEV and discover Ripley has the most horrific being in the universe gestating inside her. The atmosphere is just pure terror, sadness and despair, but Ripley accepts it, showing how unbelievably badass she is. The Bait and Chase sequence/ending is a definite second.

Quote from: Prez on Jul 20, 2016, 02:12:57 AM
So the guys at Perfect Organism Pod believe that Alien 5 has secretly begun production already. Their latest pod directly states this was their thinking based on Aaron's (Corporal Hicks) posting on their FB page about Weaver's comments regarding delays due to Avatar 2, etc.

Give it a listen.

It's plausible however I'm more convinced Weaver is genuinely and strategically saying these things to push Fox into getting the ball rolling.

I've not listened to their latest episode but they have said in comments that they have actually heard from several sources that they've been told it was happening. But then they've also said it's just speculation. I still found it doubtful that they'd do it secret because...well, what would be the point? Other than maybe trying not to get any leaks out but they managed pretty well with Covenant so that wouldn't really be a massive concern.

Considering the immense support the project got when Blomkamp came out publicly with the concepts (and I still think that support was a factor in Fox even greenlighting the film in the first place), I think they'd have been better continuing to ride off that support which still seems to be there in the bigger world.

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Quote from: Prez on Jul 20, 2016, 02:12:57 AM
however I'm more convinced Weaver is genuinely and strategically saying these things to push Fox into getting the ball rolling.

Same. I think she's trying to drum up those very same people that probably got the project moving in the first place.

QuoteIt is kind of sad the best Alien related media we've had recently has been Isolation, a videogame.

- Ooh I disagree considerably there. The first AVP film is great while not the dark piece many seem to have wanted. I don't know about the first two but the latest AVP game is definitely the best related game we've seen in recent years. 'Alien: Isolation' is brilliant stylistically for the most part but goes off the rails in the latter third of the game, ruining the story and dragging on.

Quote from: CelticPred97 on Jul 23, 2016, 05:03:07 AM

QuoteIt is kind of sad the best Alien related media we've had recently has been Isolation, a videogame.

- Ooh I disagree considerably there. The first AVP film is great while not the dark piece many seem to have wanted. I don't know about the first two but the latest AVP game is definitely the best related game we've seen in recent years. 'Alien: Isolation' is brilliant stylistically for the most part but goes off the rails in the latter third of the game, ruining the story and dragging on.

I always felt that after the AvP movie all the media under the same license lost its credibility.

AvP games pre-movie were f**kin' sweet. Afterwards, eh. I didn't think AvP 2010 was that terrible, but it wasn't as good as the others.

Quote from: SiL on Jul 23, 2016, 06:42:30 AM
AvP games pre-movie were f**kin' sweet. Afterwards, eh. I didn't think AvP 2010 was that terrible, but it wasn't as good as the others.

Agreed! It always bothered me when some people actually believed that AvP 2010 was a movie based game. If the movie was never created I bet it would have collected more interest from the public.

its over. they are not going to release alien movies so close to each other , and it looks like they will be too similar, as much as fans like us want to see it i dont think the non fans and majority of people are going to be drawn to an action flim with a 70 year old sigourney weaver and now C-list  Michael Biehn :( unless they cgi their faces to look younger how are they going to do it !? a 70 year old running around with a flamethrower? possible love story between them !? unless they reduce their roles to  play cameos and  get someone like jenifer lawrence to take over it is not going to happen.

QuoteEverything I hear, from Weaver discussing it to Cameron's insinuation to me earlier, tells me not to expect Blomkamp's "Alien 5" to happen.

https://twitter.com/kristapley/status/756989450106744832

Quote from: tvg on Jul 23, 2016, 11:22:50 PM
its over. they are not going to release alien movies so close to each other , and it looks like they will be too similar, as much as fans like us want to see it i dont think the non fans and majority of people are going to be drawn to an action flim with a 70 year old sigourney weaver and now C-list  Michael Biehn :( unless they cgi their faces to look younger how are they going to do it !? a 70 year old running around with a flamethrower? possible love story between them !? unless they reduce their roles to  play cameos and  get someone like jenifer lawrence to take over it is not going to happen.

The Force Awakens did the exact thing.

And I really don't see Hicks as the co-lead anyway. You have Sigourney, the face of the franchise, and some A-lister playing Newt. Similar billing as Alien Resurrection. You populate the rest of the cast with good actors, and add Biehn, and wa'lah. Hugh Jackman as a villainous Weyland executive here, Sharlto Copley as an android there, etc.

I feel like they need to stop pissing about now and get a move on....

Agreed.  They should just shut up and get on with it; or just shut up and stop yanking everyone's chain.

-Windebieste.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 23, 2016, 11:42:22 PM

QuoteEverything I hear, from Weaver discussing it to Cameron's insinuation to me earlier, tells me not to expect Blomkamp's "Alien 5" to happen.

https://twitter.com/kristapley/status/756989450106744832

I'd rather hear it from either Blomkamp or Weaver before jumping to conclusions...

But then again... I'm wouldn't be surprised.

I think they might want to move into a similar direction to what Blomkamp is proposing, but then do it without the Ripley, Hicks, and Newt characters.




OR go in it with the Episode VII mentality.  Give the characters significant roles in the story, just not action roles, then pass the torch off to the new actors.

I'm fine either way.  I think it would've been a fun what if, but if what ifs don't happen, that's cool too.

Yeah, what Kimarhi said makes the most sense, and is sort of what I assumed anyway. Like really, why was everyone expecting Michael and Sigourney to be jumping around, doing pushups, shooting everything in sight?

Indeed. The whole passing of the torch angle has been spoken about before. Makes perfect sense. Personally I'd rather they just take the Hicks and Ripley-less approach though. 

And go with the Newt angle or just let the dead rest in peace.

If they do insist on going down the retcon angle, Newt taking over seems to be the best bet. I do wonder whether they'd recast Newt though or stay with Henn.

They recast Newt in Alien 3 lol.  :P

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 25, 2016, 12:27:59 PM
If they do insist on going down the retcon angle, Newt taking over seems to be the best bet. I do wonder whether they'd recast Newt though or stay with Henn.

They'd definitely recast. Even if Henn has lots of acting talent they'd never risk a movie of this size riding on the shoulders of someone with virtually zero acting experience.

It was disappointing to hear Weaver make the comment as she seemed to indicate multiple Avatar sequels. Which could put off Alien 5 for quite some time. Although I'm still a little confused as to when the film is supposed to take place within the Alien franchise and it's relationship to Alien 3. I'd also like to see an Alien film without Weaver in it. It's not that I don't appreciate her talent or what she's meant to the franchise it's just I'm not sure why Fox appears to be hesitant to make a film without her.

Dallas

Lol we really need to get something straight. Everybody's talking about Fox's allegiance to Ripley.

Guys. Fox is making a Ridley Scott Alien trilogy without Sigourney Weaver. Sure sure, there's connections with Ripley in this trilogy, but who knows just how significant they are. And who knows how it's pulled off. And who knows if they decide to keep it in there. Relax.

And concerning Alien 5, it was Neill who came up with this idea, and posted the artwork on Instagram. Fox didn't go to Neill and say "Give us a Ripley movie."

Just to reiterate the point.

Quoteneillblomkamp - Working on new things. Currently not alien

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QuoteWeaver re-confirmed comments at July's Comic-Con that Neill Blomkamp's "Alien" sequel has been postponed.

"He has got work to do, and I have things going on. I hope we do get to do it," she said. "It's one of those things we wanted to do this past year, but I think Ridley [Scott] didn't want them all coming out at the same time."

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/sigourney-weaver-hillary-clinton-alien-fincher-bayona-1201866650/

Dead, dead, dead! Why can't we all just accept this.

It's not happening. What a surprise  ::)

On one level, I'm relieved.  No Retcon is a good thing; and that's welcome News for people who are fans of the 3rd and 4rth movies having to deal with their favourite entries in this series being shunted aside on a folly.   Being treated like their favourite movies were unworthy was a slap in the face to them - as if their opinions were of no consequence, just for the sake of bringing back deceased characters.   No more "Your favourite movies are shit and being ditched and you have no choice" bollocks.  Thank God for that. Thank God this nonsense is gone.

On another level, I do feel regret.  Not regret that continued development of this film is being comprehensively ended; but rather, in regard to it's belated proposal. It's disappointing that Blomkamp wasn't around to bring his ideas to 20th Century Fox a quarter of a Century ago, prior to 'ALIEN 3' as we know it being released; at a time when this proposal would have gained support from everyone.  It would have been a great direction to take the series at an appropriate time in the series history.

Finally - and this is really important - I'm not entirely without sympathy for those fans that desperately wanted to see this Project get green-lit by Fox.  I can appreciate their disappointment.  It really is too late to bring back Ripley, Hicks and Newt and this News comprehensively puts an end to that idea.  For those people who really wanted this to happen, it must be a serious let down  Here's to hoping that critical elements of the movie proposal, mostly plotting and conceptual content, can be salvaged and Blomkamp can still be in a position sometime in the future to make an 'ALIENS' movie. 

I think we would all love that if he could bring back pulse rifle wielding troops and Xenos to the big screen.  It may take another 5 years or so, but I'm hoping he hasn't completely thrown in the towel on his Project.  While I've been an active adversary to the retcon, I still support his involvement at some time in the future to bring a modified vision of his movie to life.   It wouldn't surprise me if one day he returns with a proposal that dovetails better into the entire established series and delivers the core concepts he originally wanted.  I'd like that.

We do need a new 'ALIENS' themed movie for this Century.  I'm hoping he'll come back one day to fill in that gaping hole.

-Windebieste

Hear, hear. To more Aliens.

Be patience fellow fans. Until it has absolutely been shot down by Fox themselves, Alien 5 has just been pushed to the back burner is all. Put it in the back of our own minds and before we know it, we may very well be buying tickets to go see it.

It's too early to close the book on this.   Covenant took years to develop and seemed like a dead project for a while (Ridley made another movie in the interim, just as Blomkamp is doing now) .  It's the same with Alien 5.

Covenant didn't hinge on actors who will be pushing 70 in a few years.

It's not been cancelled yet. It's just no longer in active development. We don't know what kind of scheduling stuff might be going off behind the scenes to get this done.

Well atm I think the backburner is getting cooler and cooler.

If it is to happen, it'll need to happen in the next 5 years. If it doesn't, then they need to continue the story after Resurrection and we can continue the canon from there

Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 22, 2016, 01:31:21 PM
Well atm I think the backburner is getting cooler and cooler.

If it is to happen, it'll need to happen in the next 5 years. If it doesn't, then they need to continue the story after Resurrection and we can continue the canon from there

Here's hoping that is the case. I'd love to see the era of Resurrection or beyond be expanded upon.

Quote from: windebieste on Sep 22, 2016, 09:41:37 AM
Finally - and this is really important - I'm not entirely without sympathy for those fans that desperately wanted to see this Project get green-lit by Fox.  I can appreciate their disappointment.  It really is too late to bring back Ripley, Hicks and Newt and this News comprehensively puts an end to that idea.  For those people who really wanted this to happen, it must be a serious let down  Here's to hoping that critical elements of the movie proposal, mostly plotting and conceptual content, can be salvaged and Blomkamp can still be in a position sometime in the future to make an 'ALIENS' movie. 

Erm... except that it has already been officially green-lit. By Fox. The films official status is currently In Production - On Hold.

Quoteand this News comprehensively puts an end to that idea.

Where did they say it was cancelled?  ???

Quote from: Kelgaard on Sep 22, 2016, 01:18:13 PM
It's too early to close the book on this.   Covenant took years to develop and seemed like a dead project for a while (Ridley made another movie in the interim, just as Blomkamp is doing now) .  It's the same with Alien 5.

Indeed, Covenant was put on hold by Ridley Scott so that he could do The Martian first. But now that Ridley Scott has done the same with Alien 5 everybody seems to think it's been cancelled.  ???

Stop muddying the conjecture waters with facts, The Eighth Passenger!

My apologies, I forgot this was an internet forum.   :-[

Alien 5 isn't happening until it goes before the cameras.  Alien Covenant has already been filmed.  Very rarely does a film get shelved after that.

The only thing older than the Weaver and Biehn is Sir Riddles.... so please do not put any time frames on here guys.  :'(

Well I guess I shouldn't have said "dead, dead, dead" either.  ???

whoa damn shocking news

didn't expect

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Sep 22, 2016, 01:42:35 PM

Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 22, 2016, 01:31:21 PM
Well atm I think the backburner is getting cooler and cooler.

If it is to happen, it'll need to happen in the next 5 years. If it doesn't, then they need to continue the story after Resurrection and we can continue the canon from there

Here's hoping that is the case. I'd love to see the era of Resurrection or beyond be expanded upon.

Same. My idea for Alien 5 is set after Resurrection lol. Also some comics set in the gap between 3 and Res would be good as well

There is still a possibility for Alien set after A3 and Resurrection on lv426, with Derelict, W-Y Commando and such. One can dream  ;D

We're still getting a 5th Alien movie. Just not a 5th chronological one. Alien Covenant is the fifth genuine instalment of the franchise. I know I've just pointed out the obvious BUT HOW EXCITING IS THAT?! I can live with Aliens 2 going on the backburner as long as Ridley brings back the Big Chap in a new, exciting and inventive way.

Well, if you're going to go down that road, it would technically be the sixth, as it's a direct continuation of the film which came before it.

Quote@NeillBlomkamp
just finished draft 2 of GONE WORLD. love it- seriously love it

https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/778856490094309376 (https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/778856490094309376)

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 25, 2016, 02:53:17 PM
Well, if you're going to go down that road, it would technically be the sixth, as it's a direct continuation of the film which came before it.

I know what you mean, but on a personal level I'll always see it as a spin off set in the same universe. Only a few threads that connect it to Alien whereas with Alien Covenant, it's called Alien for a start.

Just wait for that re-release of Prometheus as Alien: Prometheus.

Perhaps the wrong forum but could we potentially look on at Prometheus in years to come like we do with Alien 3?

By that I mean I know a lot of us (myself included) were totally pissed when Alien 3 came out but in years to follow learnt to love what is a fantastic film despite so much being against it from the outset.

FWIW I dig Prometheus - flawed as it is but it's just one part of the whole picture (yet to be shown of course).

Quote from: Prez on Sep 27, 2016, 11:03:33 AM
Perhaps the wrong forum but could we potentially look on at Prometheus in years to come like we do with Alien 3?

By that I mean I know a lot of us (myself included) were totally pissed when Alien 3 came out but in years to follow learnt to love what is a fantastic film despite so much being against it from the outset.

FWIW I dig Prometheus - flawed as it is but it's just one part of the whole picture (yet to be shown of course).

I guess it's possible fans could look at Prometheus in a different light if Covenant elaborates/redeems some of its mess.

From my memory, Alien 3 didn't really become more appreciated until every single movie to follow it in the franchise was gradually worse and worse, however. I hope this isn't the case with Prometheus and Covenant.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 27, 2016, 07:41:54 AM
Just wait for that re-release of Prometheus as Alien: Prometheus.

Yeah I always thought that. Let's just hope Cov doesn't get another rebranding.

Something that a lot of people seem to keep overlooking is that Covenant isn't the final Alien prequel apparently coming and it would make little sense for Alien 5 to come out before the entire prequel series is complete.

Is Prometheus actually part of the Alien prequel trilogy? Yes it is a prequel to Alien, but is it part of the trilogy leading into Alien? If so, that means we have at least one more movie after Covenant, if not then we may have two.

How many years away does that place Alienkamp? Add to that time any projects that Weaver, Bien and Blomkamp may start in the interim... I don't see it happening.

We will get an Alien 5, I just doubt it will follow its' current trajectory and will be at least half a decade away, maybe even a full decade away at fairly pessimistic.

Quote from: Prez on Sep 27, 2016, 11:03:33 AMPerhaps the wrong forum but could we potentially look on at Prometheus in years to come like we do with Alien 3?

I don't think any amount of time passing will suddenly stop the characters in Prometheus being anything but utterly moronic tools who completely sink the film.

Quote from: Kurai on Sep 28, 2016, 07:33:47 AM
Is Prometheus actually part of the Alien prequel trilogy? Yes it is a prequel to Alien, but is it part of the trilogy leading into Alien? If so, that means we have at least one more movie after Covenant, if not then we may have two.

Prometheus will probably be a prequel to the Alien prequel trilogy. A Pre-prequel or proto-prequel if you will.

Ridley also said that Covenant would be the first of a new Alien prequel trilogy. He makes it quite clear vague below:  :)

Quote from: Ridley ScottSo I'm now going to the next one, which is the next evolution directly connected with the first one, which was this Shaw, when he replaced Michael Fassbender in two pieces and we'll kind of pick it up there and it will evolve. When that's finished there'll be another one and then another one which will gradually drive into the back entrance of the film in 1979."
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2015/11/27/alien-covenant-shooting-march-new-trilogy-further-details/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2015/11/27/alien-covenant-shooting-march-new-trilogy-further-details/)

Quote from: Ridley ScottWhen asked if the Prometheus films will tie directly into the Alien films, Ridley Scott responded: "Yes, but it will not be the next. It will be in the next but Prometheus or perhaps even in a later, before we are in a sense back in the Alien franchise."
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2015/09/23/ridley-scott-talks-prometheus-3-and-4/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2015/09/23/ridley-scott-talks-prometheus-3-and-4/)

Quote from: Kurai on Sep 28, 2016, 07:33:47 AM
How many years away does that place Alienkamp? Add to that time any projects that Weaver, Bien and Blomkamp may start in the interim... I don't see it happening.

Well, he's busy with the Gone World script now. It's an adaption from an as yet unpublished novel by Thomas Sweterlitsch. Blomkamp is just doing the screenplay adaption, it's not his own story. And when he's done he'll direct it. So he'll probably only pick up the Alien 5 script again when they are in post on Gone World, around 9 or more months from now minimum as a guesstimate.

Might wanna add in another factor to delay Alien 5..

http://screenrant.com/sigourney-weaver-marvel-movie/

I think Weaver could pull off an older Janet Van-Dyne easily. :)

Still... That's another two years added on to her timetable between the current vision of Alien 5...