For the first time in thirty years, Alien is returning to the world of tabletop role-playing with Alien: The Roleplaying Game! Coming to us from Free League Publishing, Alien: The Roleplaying Game will be a “beautifully illustrated full-color hardcover book, both presenting the world of ALIEN in the year 2183 and a fast and effective ruleset designed specifically to enhance the ALIEN experience.”
What’s really interesting about Alien: The RPG is that it comes with two distinct gameplay modes. One is the traditional long-form campaign based over several sessions, the other is what they’ve dubbed “Cinematic play,” a mode that is designed to help ease in players unfamiliar with RPG.
For others who may be trying roleplaying for the first time, there's the "Cinematic" experience, a series of pre-generated storylines that can be played in a single sitting. The first one is called Chariot of the Gods, written by sci-fi author Andrew E.C. Gaska (Death of the Planet of the Apes). Härenstam compared it to the pre-made stories made for Tales From The Loop.
"We wanted to make [Alien] an approachable game. Our most successful game to-date is Tales From The Loop. Of course it's very different from this game, but there are some similarities to how we approach it," Härenstam said. "In [Cinematic] mode, you play scenarios with pre-generated characters and sort of a core arc. They emulate the dramatic structure of an Alien film. It's sort of built for one-shots and shorter play."
Alien: The Roleplaying Game will ship with the single Cinematic storyline, Chariot of the Gods, written by Andrew Gaska (who has previously joined us on the AvP Galaxy Podcast) but according to Free League co-founder Tomas Härenstam there are plans for more.
Campaign-wise, the game is set several years after the events of Alien and Alien 3 and will explore the frontier life of the Alien universe as the characters push towards the Outer Rim.
The year is 2183—little more than three years since the destruction of the Hadley's Hope colonyon LV-426, the disappearance of the USS Sulaco, and the closing of the prison and lead works on Fiorina 161. The loss of a Sulaco's Colonial Marine unit along with these Weyland-Yutani sponsored outposts, and the implications of corporate foul play stemming from these incidents, have created an air of distrust between the company and the United Americas.
To add fuel to the fire, conflicts between the rival sectors of space have increased exponentially in the past five years. While unconfirmed, many believe that Hadley's Hope was a test site for one of Weyland-Yutani's bioweapons and that an enemy state sent a warship to nuke it from orbit. Others believe that the Company is working with a rogue nation to assume control of the colonies on the Frontier.
The 2180s are a dangerous time to be alive.
You can learn more about the game in i09’s interview with the publisher’s co-founder Tomas Härenstam or by heading over to the official Alien: The Roleplaying Game website and signing up to their mailing list!
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Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 27, 2019, 02:04:44 AM
Personally hoping it's not D20 myself. D10 roll-under would be my preferred option.
Quote from: Monster Man on Apr 27, 2019, 01:17:15 AM
Is this a D20 ruleset or something of their own concoction?
QuoteHere follows a condensed version of the Year Zero Engine rules. To play, you will need a number of six-sided dice in three different colors.
USING A SKILL
To use a skill, roll a number of Skill Dice (green) equal to your skill level, and a number of Base Dice (yellow) equal to the current value of the attribute connected to the skill. If you are using gear, you also get a number of Gear Dice (black) equal to the Gear Bonus. For your action to succeed, you must roll at least one six.
Opposed Roll: When the rules call for an opposed roll, both you and your opponent roll for a skill. You need to roll more sixes than your opponent to succeed.
PUSHING YOUR ROLL
If you are desperate to succeed, you can push your roll. That means you grab all dice that didn't show ones and sixes, and roll them again. You get a new shot at rolling sixes, but ones on Base Dice and Gear Dice have special effects when you push:
For every Base Dice one on the table after a pushed roll, you suffer one point of trauma against the attribute you used for the skill. You also gain one Mutation Point (MP).
For every Gear Dice one on the table after a pushed roll, the Gear Bonus of the item you used drops one step.
THE SKILLS OF THE GAME
There are twelve basic skills in the game, and one specialist
skill for each role. Each skill is connected to one attribute.
Endure (Strength): When the Zone takes its toll, when your legs won't carry you any more, roll for Endure.
Force (Strength): When wreckage or debris block your way and you need to push or lift something heavy, roll for Force.
Fight (Strength): Roll for this skill when you attack someone in close combat. If you succeed, you inflict Weapon Damage. For every extra six, you inflict one more point of damage.
Sneak (Agility): To move undetected, you must make an opposed roll using your Sneak score versus your enemy's Scout score.
Move (Agility): To get out of danger or to make a difficult climb or jump, roll to Move.
Shoot (Agility): Roll for this skill when you fire a weapon at someone. If you succeed, you inflict Weapon Damage. For every extra six, you inflict one more point of damage. Each shot with a ranged weapon consumes one bullet or arrow. They also, except for some artifacts, need to be reloaded (costs one maneuver) after every shot.
Scout (Wits): When trying to spot a Sneaking enemy, roll to Scout.
Comprehend (Wits): Use this skill to understand an artifact from the Old Age.
Know the Zone (Wits): Roll for this skill to identify a monster or phenomena in the Zone, and to know its traits or effects.
Sense Emotion (Empathy): Use this skill to resist attempts to Manipulate you, or to read another person's state of mind.
Manipulate (Empathy): When trying to persuade, trick or seduce someone, roll an opposed roll using your Manipulate score against your opponent's Sense Emotion. If you win, you opponent must offer you a reasonable deal.
Heal (Empathy): Roll to get a broken friend back on his feet. Success means he recovers one attribute point.
Intimidate (Strength): Roll when you use your sheer physical presence to get someone to do what you want. If you succeed, your opponent must do what you want or immediately attack you.
CONFLICT
Conflicts are played in turns. At the beginning of the first turn, everyone who takes part rolls for initiative – a simple D6 roll. Mutations and talents can affect the roll. The initiative roll sets the action sequence for all turns in the conflict.
Actions & Maneuvers: When it's your turn, you are allowed to perform one action and one maneuver, or two maneuvers. An action can be to:
Use a skill
Activate a mutation
A maneuver can be to:
Move one range step
Seek cover
Get an item from your gear
Pick up an item from the ground
Draw a weapon
Reload a gun
TRAUMA
When you use a skill and push the roll, you can suffer trauma. This temporarily reduces the attribute score you used for the skill. If your attribute score reaches zero you are broken – unable to get up on your feet or use any skill for D6 hours or until someone Heals you. At that point, you regain one attribute point and can recover normally.
Recovery: The requirements for recovery depends on type of trauma:
Damage (trauma to Strength): Some rest and a ration of grub per trauma point.
Fatigue (trauma to Agility): Some rest and a ration of grub per trauma point.
Confusion (trauma to Wits): At least four hours of sleep.
Doubt (trauma to Empathy): A moment of closeness with another mutant. It can be a talk by the campfire, a moment of shared silence, or physical contact.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Apr 27, 2019, 12:09:22 PMQuote from: Monster Man on Apr 27, 2019, 01:17:15 AM
Is this a D20 ruleset or something of their own concoction?
Googling 'Year Zero Engine', I found this (follow link for better formatting):
https://rpggeek.com/rpgsystem/43636/year-zero-engine (https://rpggeek.com/rpgsystem/43636/year-zero-engine)QuoteHere follows a condensed version of the Year Zero Engine rules. To play, you will need a number of six-sided dice in three different colors.
USING A SKILL
To use a skill, roll a number of Skill Dice (green) equal to your skill level, and a number of Base Dice (yellow) equal to the current value of the attribute connected to the skill. If you are using gear, you also get a number of Gear Dice (black) equal to the Gear Bonus. For your action to succeed, you must roll at least one six.
Opposed Roll: When the rules call for an opposed roll, both you and your opponent roll for a skill. You need to roll more sixes than your opponent to succeed.
PUSHING YOUR ROLL
If you are desperate to succeed, you can push your roll. That means you grab all dice that didn't show ones and sixes, and roll them again. You get a new shot at rolling sixes, but ones on Base Dice and Gear Dice have special effects when you push:
For every Base Dice one on the table after a pushed roll, you suffer one point of trauma against the attribute you used for the skill. You also gain one Mutation Point (MP).
For every Gear Dice one on the table after a pushed roll, the Gear Bonus of the item you used drops one step.
THE SKILLS OF THE GAME
There are twelve basic skills in the game, and one specialist
skill for each role. Each skill is connected to one attribute.
Endure (Strength): When the Zone takes its toll, when your legs won't carry you any more, roll for Endure.
Force (Strength): When wreckage or debris block your way and you need to push or lift something heavy, roll for Force.
Fight (Strength): Roll for this skill when you attack someone in close combat. If you succeed, you inflict Weapon Damage. For every extra six, you inflict one more point of damage.
Sneak (Agility): To move undetected, you must make an opposed roll using your Sneak score versus your enemy's Scout score.
Move (Agility): To get out of danger or to make a difficult climb or jump, roll to Move.
Shoot (Agility): Roll for this skill when you fire a weapon at someone. If you succeed, you inflict Weapon Damage. For every extra six, you inflict one more point of damage. Each shot with a ranged weapon consumes one bullet or arrow. They also, except for some artifacts, need to be reloaded (costs one maneuver) after every shot.
Scout (Wits): When trying to spot a Sneaking enemy, roll to Scout.
Comprehend (Wits): Use this skill to understand an artifact from the Old Age.
Know the Zone (Wits): Roll for this skill to identify a monster or phenomena in the Zone, and to know its traits or effects.
Sense Emotion (Empathy): Use this skill to resist attempts to Manipulate you, or to read another person's state of mind.
Manipulate (Empathy): When trying to persuade, trick or seduce someone, roll an opposed roll using your Manipulate score against your opponent's Sense Emotion. If you win, you opponent must offer you a reasonable deal.
Heal (Empathy): Roll to get a broken friend back on his feet. Success means he recovers one attribute point.
Intimidate (Strength): Roll when you use your sheer physical presence to get someone to do what you want. If you succeed, your opponent must do what you want or immediately attack you.
CONFLICT
Conflicts are played in turns. At the beginning of the first turn, everyone who takes part rolls for initiative – a simple D6 roll. Mutations and talents can affect the roll. The initiative roll sets the action sequence for all turns in the conflict.
Actions & Maneuvers: When it's your turn, you are allowed to perform one action and one maneuver, or two maneuvers. An action can be to:
Use a skill
Activate a mutation
A maneuver can be to:
Move one range step
Seek cover
Get an item from your gear
Pick up an item from the ground
Draw a weapon
Reload a gun
TRAUMA
When you use a skill and push the roll, you can suffer trauma. This temporarily reduces the attribute score you used for the skill. If your attribute score reaches zero you are broken – unable to get up on your feet or use any skill for D6 hours or until someone Heals you. At that point, you regain one attribute point and can recover normally.
Recovery: The requirements for recovery depends on type of trauma:
Damage (trauma to Strength): Some rest and a ration of grub per trauma point.
Fatigue (trauma to Agility): Some rest and a ration of grub per trauma point.
Confusion (trauma to Wits): At least four hours of sleep.
Doubt (trauma to Empathy): A moment of closeness with another mutant. It can be a talk by the campfire, a moment of shared silence, or physical contact.
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Now this is supposed to be a variation of those rules, so I guess we'll have to wait and see what changes. Still, seems pretty simple and elegant.
Quote from: Monster Man on Apr 28, 2019, 04:23:03 AMwhat happens to the dice that didn't land on a one or a six? Are they null and void unless I push them [...] ?
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 29, 2019, 10:05:18 PM
There's .pdf files of the Leading Edge one floating around if you want a refresher. Personally i don't think their fluff was any good.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Apr 29, 2019, 10:10:59 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 29, 2019, 10:05:18 PM
There's .pdf files of the Leading Edge one floating around if you want a refresher. Personally i don't think their fluff was any good.
Hmm, I might go lookin'... even if just for a walk down memory lane. I eBayed all my Leading Edge stuff back in '05 (probably to one of you lot :D ).
QuoteWelcome!
This is the first official newsletter for the upcoming ALIEN tabletop RPG by Free League Publishing and Twentieth Century Fox. In these updates we will be giving you insights into the development process and various aspects of the game itself. If you have questions for us, don't hesitate to visit our forums on the Free League website or follow us on Facebook.
This first issue will focus on something we already have received many questions about – the ALIEN universe itself, and how we will turn it into a game setting. But before we jump into that hot topic, we'll present the team behind the ALIEN RPG, just to let you know a little about us.
Please note that the information published in these newsletters is subject to change during the development process.
THE TEAM
Tomas Härenstam. Game director and lead rules designer. Co-founder and CEO of Free League Publishing.
Andrew E. C. Gaska. Setting writer and lead writer of introductory scenario Chariot of the Gods. Freelance franchise consultant on ALIEN for 20th Century Fox. More on Drew below!
Martin Grip. Lead artist. Co-owner and in-house artist at Free League Publishing. Known for the breathtaking art in the Coriolis and Symbaroum RPGs.
John R. Mullaney. Starship and vehicle artist. Known for his previous ALIEN work, as in the book Alien: The Weyland-Yutani Report.
Christian Granath. Graphic designer and layout artist. Co-founder and lead art director of Free League Publishing.
Nils Karlén. Social media wizard and master of random tables. Co-founder of Free League Publishing.
Paul Elliott. Writer of campaign material such as system and mission generators, locations and adversaries. Designer of the awesome RPG Hostile.
Cam Banks. Editor. Cam is a veteran of the RPG industry, having led the development of numerous RPGs such as Smallville, Leverage, and Marvel Heroic.
Joe LeFavi. Brand manager. Through his company Genuine Entertainment, Joe brokered the deal for the ALIEN RPG on behalf of Free League Publishing, and he remains a key person in our partnership with 20th Century Fox.
Brandon Bowling. Proofreader.
Jenny Bremberg. Customer support.
Anna Westerling. Event manager.
ROLEPLAYING IN THE ALIEN UNIVERSE
Most ALIEN films tell a horryfing and thrilling story with a tight focus. They generally don't reveal that much detail about the greater universe, instead leaving the viewer with largely unexplained names of locations and organizations to spark the imagination.
Cinematic scenarios for the ALIEN RPG will work in very much the same way as the films. But for Campaign mode, we need to flesh out the universe and present the ALIEN world of 2183 AD to you as a cohesive whole. The full game will have meaty chapters on governments, corporations, star systems, planets, colonies, and xenomorphs, as well as a beautiful star map of known space for you to explore.
The lead writer of the setting chapters is Andrew E. C. Gaska – author, senior development editor at Lion Forge Comics, and franchise consultant on ALIEN, Predator and Planet of the Apes for 20th Century Fox. With total attention to the minute details of the ALIEN lore from decades of movies, games, books, and comics, Drew's work is to preserve the essence of the expanded material and bring it in line with hardcore canon, filling in gaps where needed. In addition to his setting design, Drew is the lead writer of the introductory scenario Chariot of the Gods.
To compliment Drew's work, RPG designer Paul Elliott (Hostile, Zenobia) is writing systems and missions generators for the Gamemaster to use, as well as modular locations and adversaries, to make the ALIEN RPG in Campaign Mode a truly sandbox, open-world game.
The end result is a rich game universe in the deadly cold of outer space for you to explore. More details on the ALIEN RPG universe of 2183 AD will follow in later newsletters.
Stay tuned – and tell all of your friends to also sign up to this newsletter at ALIEN-RPG.COM!
Quote from: FenGiddel on Apr 29, 2019, 10:10:35 PM
I am anxious to hear from SM; his timeline breaks in 2179 and picks back up in 2294. Given his documentation of officially established events and that the RPG will be presenting "the ALIEN world of 2183", it looks like the RPG will be exploring new time, er, ground.
Further info says these two guys are involved with the writing:
Paul Elliott. Writer of campaign material such as system and mission generators, locations and adversaries. Designer of the awesome RPG Hostile.
Cam Banks. Editor. Cam is a veteran of the RPG industry, having led the development of numerous RPGs such as Smallville, Leverage, and Marvel Heroic.
Has anyone played these games to give some insight into them?
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Apr 29, 2019, 10:03:54 PMI'd love to see that, that would be a great (and appropriate) callback for long-time fans.
One wonders if they're gonna use anything that Leading Edge had already brainstormed for their AlienS rpg lore.
QuoteWelcome!
This is the second official newsletter for the upcoming ALIEN tabletop RPG by Free League Publishing and Twentieth Century Fox. In these updates we will be giving you insights into the development process and various aspects of the game itself.
If you missed the first newsletter from last week, you can find it here. If you have questions, don't hesitate to visit our forums on the Free League website or follow us on Facebook.
This second issue will focus on Cinematic gameplay, one of the two game modes of the ALIEN RPG (the other being Campaign mode, which we will delve into next week). These two modes are each designed to create a different experience for you. Even some rules of the game only apply to one of the two game modes.
Please note that the information published in these newsletters is subject to change during the development process.
ACTS & PERSONAL AGENDAS
A Cinematic scenario emulates the dramatic arc of an ALIEN film. Designed to be played in one or a a few sessions, this game mode emphasizes high stakes and fast and brutal play. Conflict between player characters is likely, and you are not all expected to survive. Cinematic scenarios come with pre-generated characters, specifically tailored for the story.
A Cinematic scenario is divided into three Acts. For each Act, each player character is given a Personal Agenda, that is kept secret from the other players. A Personal Agenda can go against the interests of other characters or the group as a whole, but that's not always the case – the point is that you can never be sure about the motivations of the other characters.
Personal Agendas for Act 1 and Act 2 are generally carefully phrased, to avoid overt confrontations between player characters to early in the story. Act 3 Agendas tend to push characters to a climactic endgame, sometimes pitting player characters in direct confrontation against each other – just like Ripley against Ash in Alien and Burke in Aliens.
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CHARIOT OF THE GODS
One Cinematic scenario, Chariot of the Gods, is included in core rulebook. This pre-generated scenario provides all the tools necessary to run your first ALIEN roleplaying game, and it's a fun and easy way to learn how to play and tell your own stories on the Frontier.
I Chariot of the Gods, the players take the roles of the crew of the USCSS Montero starfreighter. It's designed to introduce the game to the players while at the same time take them for a thrilling, terrifying ride into space where no one can hear them scream. The scenario is designed for 3–5 players plus GM, and takes at least 4-5 hours to complete.
Chariot of the Gods is written by author Andrew E. C. Gaska, lead setting writer for the ALIEN RPG and franchise consultant on ALIEN for 20th Century Fox, with editing and added gameplay aspects by game director Tomas Härenstam.
More Cinematic scenarios will be published by Free League Publishing in the years to come. Some will be linked into longer narratives, where the outcome of one Cinematic scenario can impact the setup of the next – even if all player characters are replaced.
Stay tuned – and tell all of your friends to also sign up to this newsletter at ALIEN-RPG.COM!
/Free League Publishing
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 06, 2019, 12:18:50 PM
Cinematic scenarios come with pre-generated characters, specifically tailored for the story.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 06, 2019, 07:44:54 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on May 06, 2019, 12:18:50 PM
Cinematic scenarios come with pre-generated characters, specifically tailored for the story.
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I understand why they did it, but I'll be skipping that part.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2019, 05:58:28 PM
Shevvie is going to the UKGE, I'm gonna see if I can swap a bank holiday for the Friday off so I can go too. I haven't listened to the interview yet.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 06, 2019, 07:44:54 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on May 06, 2019, 12:18:50 PM
Cinematic scenarios come with pre-generated characters, specifically tailored for the story.
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I understand why they did it, but I'll be skipping that part.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 06, 2019, 09:33:30 PM
I think it'll be useful for folks who like Alien but have no RPG experience. My own experience tells me it's likely to become unncessary/restrictive very rapidly unless they put out new cinematic missions pretty regularly.
Quote from: Monster Man on May 13, 2019, 04:24:31 AM
Now my real question pertains to the longevity of this game. With D&D/Pathfinder you don't really need to worry about what material you wanna throw at your players because it has quite a variety of things to choose from, story and enemy wise.
Just speaking ahead and surmising that even with the prequel material, there isn't a lot in the way of scenarios you can throw your players into. Especially not without running through the motions of adding up tension to inevitably describe what could be the 5th or 4th "first encounter" of an alien in a campaign module.
QuoteThis is the third official newsletter for the upcoming ALIEN tabletop RPG by Free League Publishing and Twentieth Century Fox. In these updates we will be giving you insights into the development process and various aspects of the game itself.
If you missed the first two newsletters from last week, you can find #1 here and #2 here. If you have questions, don't hesitate to visit our forums on the Free League website or follow us on Facebook.
This second issue will focus on Campaign gameplay, the second of the two game modes of the ALIEN RPG (the other being Cinematic mode, which we discussed last week). These two modes are each designed to create a different experience for you. Even some rules of the game only apply to one of the two game modes.
Please note that the information published in these newsletters is subject to change during the development process.
EXPLORING THE STARS
While Cinematic mode lets you relive the intense drama och thrill of an ALIEN movie, Campaign play lets you go deeper, exploring the darkness of space over the course of a long campaign, spanning dozens of sessions. There is a lot more to do in the ALIEN universe than fighting xenomorphs!
The key tool for Campaign play is the starmap of known space in 2183 AD. You can see a work in progress above. The map is based on the work of Scott Middlebrook, with additional work by our main setting writer and ALIEN franchise consultant Andrew E. C. Gaska, and graphic design by our Art Director Christian Granath.
The star map is divided into broad sections such as the Core Systems, the Outer Veil and the Frontier. It also indicates which areas are under the general control of the main factions of human civilization, such as the United Americas and the Three World Empire, and includes many stars, planets and colonies from the ALIEN films as well as from video games, books and comics.
The locations and factions on the map are further described in the Governments & Corporations and Systems & Planets chapters in the core game book, both written by Drew Gaska.
TOOLS FOR CAMPAIGN PLAY
Beyond the pure setting texts describing the world of 2183 AD, the ALIEN RPG core rulebook will also contain a powerful array of tools for the Gamemaster to use in Campaign play. These tools include extensive random tables to quickly create systems, planets, missions and encounters with a few dice rolls, turning the ALIEN RPG into an open-world, sandbox game. These tools are created by Free League co-founder Nils Karlén in cooperation with RPG designer Paul Elliott (Hostile, Zenobia).
Campaign play and the tools for it are built around three distinct campaign concepts, determined by the types of characters you will be playing in your campaign. The three concepts are described below.
SPACE TRUCKERS
While not as lucrative a field as it was some fifty years ago, hauling refineries and cargo between Earth and the colonies is still big business. The advent of newer and faster FTL drives has significantly shortened the travel time between worlds, ensuring that starship crews don't have to spend nearly as much time in stasis. Most companies compensate their crews not only for their work but for time lost in hypersleep as well.
While most space truckers work for one corporation or another, there are also independent trader captains, smugglers, salvage crews, and privateers. Space is big, and legally or off the books, people and things always need to get from one side of it to the other.
COLONIAL MARINES
The United States Colonial Marine Corps represents the finest fighting force ever assembled. Technologically advanced and sporting all the latest in military hardware—a large amount of which is designed by Weyland-Yutani—the Colonial Marines are able to operate independently in nearly any environment. Combat teams are cross-trained and can be deployed at a moment's notice to nearly any world without extensive briefing.
Military occupations include vehicle operators and pilots, combat technicians, heavy weapons specialists, medics, engineers, and career officers. Naval occupations are found in the USCM support service of warship and starfighter teams of the United Americas Outer Rim Defense Fleet, and there are special military R&D programs across the spectrum that require volunteers. On the Frontier, there is always something that needs defending and some planet that needs pacifying.
FRONTIER COLONISTS
To most, becoming a colonist means you accept a hard life with little reward other than the satisfaction of a job well done. A colonist's hands are always dirty and their feet are always tired. Living on the edge of civilization can have its benefits, however. Depending on your profession, the chance to strike it big could be right around the corner. Frontier Colonists are scouts and homesteaders, farmers and scientists, miners and doctors. Colonial Marshals keep the peace and Frontier journalists keep the colonies in the know. Colonists are the lifeblood of humanity.
Stay tuned – and tell all of your friends to also sign up to this newsletter at ALIEN-RPG.COM!
/Free League Publishing
Quote from: SM on May 15, 2019, 02:44:41 AM
As in mention my name.
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 15, 2019, 04:48:26 AMThey're Norwegians, Mac.
Crazy Swedes?
Quote from: SM on May 15, 2019, 04:04:40 AM
They're Swedish so perhaps English is the second language of the writer?
Quote from: SM on May 15, 2019, 01:09:50 AM
I really should sign up to that newsletter in which they talk about me.
QuoteWelcome!
This is the fourth official newsletter for the upcoming ALIEN tabletop RPG by Free League Publishing and Twentieth Century Fox. And we have big news!
On May 25, 1979, ALIEN first graced the silver screen. Forty years to the day after the ALIEN franchise first inspired and shocked the world, we launch the official pre-order for the game at alien-rpg.com. This exclusive pre-order starts at 6 am PST / 9 am EST / 3 pm CEST Saturday May 25, and will end on August 4.
The full printed game will launch late this year, but if you pre-order you don't need to wait to play! As a complimentary bonus gift for anyone who pre-orders via our webshop, we offer a meaty 168-page Cinematic Starter Kit PDF including the full-length Cinematic scenario Chariot of the Gods written by Alien RPG setting writer and sci-fi novelist Andrew E.C. Gaska. The Cinematic Starter Kit will be available for download via DrivethruRPG as soon as the pre-order purchase is confirmed.
In addition, anyone who pre-orders the core rulebook will have the opportunity to provide feedback on the game before it goes to print and earn a play-tester credit in the final publication.
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PRE-ORDER OFFERS
The centerpiece of the pre-order is of course the Alien RPG Core Rulebook containing 300+ pages of mythology, original artwork, and custom mechanics for open-world campaigns as well as cinematic gameplay, based on our award-winning Year Zero game engine.
In addition to the core rulebook, we offer a deluxe GM Screen, custom dice, a large starmap, and custom cards for weapons, NPCs and combat initiative. If you want to go all-in, we will offer bundles at great value.
If you want a unique artifact, we will offer the 40th Anniversary Limited Edition Core Rulebook, with a special commemorative embossed book cover. Exclusive to this pre-order campaign, the 40th Anniversary Limited-Edition will never be printed again. You can see the design below.
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WHY PRE-ORDER?
In the past, we have done many Kickstarters to fund the development of our roleplaying games. This a pre-order, meaning that the game will be published no matter how many people take part in it. However, there are three good reasons to take part in this-preorder:
You get the 168-page Cinematic Starter Kit PDF within days after purchase and can start playing immediately!
By taking part in the pre-order you can provide feedback on the game before the core rulebook goes to print, and thereby help us making the game even more awesome.
A big support for the pre-order will help us kick off development of modules and supplements for the game even sooner.
More information about the pre-order, including the pricing, will be revealed on Saturday.
Retailer? Official retail solicitations for the ALIEN roleplaying game and supplements will begin in July, but retailers are encouraged to contact us at info@frialigan.se with any questions to welcome them into the 40th Anniversary fun as well.
Missed the previous newsletters? If you missed the first three newsletters, you can find #1 here, #2 here and #3 here. If you have questions or thoughts on the ALIEN RPG, don't hesitate to visit our forums on the Free League website or follow us on Facebook.
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QuoteSTANDARD EDITION includes the Alien RPG Core Rulebook in a hardcover format with
approximately 300 full-color pages of beautiful artwork and complete game rules for both the
Cinematic and long-term Campaign game modes. A PDF of the book is included. Price: $49.99
STANDARD BUNDLE includes the standard Alien RPG Core Rulebook, along with a deluxe
gamemaster screen, two sets of custom dice (one set of 10 Base Dice and one set of 10 Stress Dice), a
set of 50 custom cards (for initiative, weapons, and NPCs), and a set of useful maps and markers. A
PDF of the book is included. Price: $99.99 ($50 discount on the total retail price)
40th ANNIVERSARY LIMITED-EDITION offers the Alien RPG Core Rulebook with a special
commemorative book cover. Exclusive to this pre-order campaign, the 40th Anniversary LimitedEdition will never be printed again. A PDF of the book is included. Price: $89.99
40th ANNIVERSARY BUNDLE includes the Alien RPG 40th Anniversary Limited-Edition Core
Rulebook, along with the deluxe gamemaster screen, two sets of custom dice (one set of 10 Base Dice
and one set of 10 Stress Dice), a set of 50 custom cards (for initiative, weapons, and NPCs), and a set
of useful maps and markers. A PDF of the book is included. Price: $139.99
THE COMPANY SPECIAL EDITION includes everything from the 40th Anniversary LimitedEdition Bundle, as well as signatures from the Free League team on both the commemorative cover
and a Limited-Edition 27" X 40" poster of the Alien RPG cover art by Martin Grip. Price: $249.99
Fans can also customize their own package with individually priced add-ons:
RPG Core Rulebook Standard Edition: $49.99
RPG Core Rulebook – 40th Anniversary Limited-Edition: $89.99
GM Screen: $24.99
Base Dice Set: $19.99
Stress Dice Set: $19.99
Card Deck: $14.99
Maps & Markers: $19.99
Quote from: FenGiddel on May 25, 2019, 10:26:13 PMIt looks like the standard edition is only the book itself.
Yeah, the map. So it doesn't come with the standard edition? (The 100-dollar bundle's "helpful maps" description seems to indicate something other than that big map...)
Quote from: FenGiddel on May 25, 2019, 10:26:13 PM
Yeah, the map. So it doesn't come with the standard edition? (The 100-dollar bundle's "helpful maps" description seems to indicate something other than that big map...)
Quote from: RidgeTop on May 27, 2019, 10:11:18 AMIf it's anything like tabletop wargames, then people are looking up rules in-game non stop. :P You aren't expected to memorize the rulebook (but you can if you want to).
That artwork is pronominal, think I'll be picking this set up. I've never really gotten into table top RPG's, the massive rule-books just always seemed a bit intimidating. I assume people are looking up rules in-game plenty?
QuoteThis is the sixth official newsletter for the upcoming ALIEN tabletop RPG by Free League Publishing and Twentieth Century Fox.
After the start of the pre-order at ALIEN-RPG.COM Saturday, we have now sent out the first wave of Cinematic Starter Kit PDFs to everyone who pre-ordered so far. And the response has been pretty great! Some early reactions:
"Alien by @FriaLigan is a delight so far, setting the stage for a universe set just after the events of Alien 3. Themes of corporatism and uncertainty at the far edge of space."
"Very nice change of pace from D&D and it'll be interesting to see my friends squirm under what is DEFINITELY a more brutal game."
"This is absolutely and utterly fantastic. It is all wonderfully well written and crafted. The art work is wonderful as well."
We'll send out a new wave every day if we can, so if you're eager to get your hands on this space beast asap, pre-order at ALIEN-RPG.COM now!
THE FEEDBACK FORM
By taking part in the pre-order you can also provide feedback on the game before the core rulebook goes to print, and thereby help us making the game even more awesome – and be credited as an official playtester.
There is a link to a feedback form inside the Starter Kit PDF itself, but it seems many of are having trouble accessing the link. If so, please try this direct link instead.
Other Questions about the Pre-Order? You're welcome to our forum, dedicated to the ALIEN RPG and our other games.
TRY THE GAME AT UK GAME EXPO
At the UK Game Expo in Birmingham this coming weekend, you have the opportunity to try out the ALIEN RPG at the official Free League booth, #1-598. Come by to chat with the designers and sign up to try out the unique demo scenario run by Matt and Dave from the awesome Coriolis Effect podcast!
Missed the previous newsletters? If you missed our previous newsletters about the ALIEN RPG, you can find them here – and don't forget to sign up for future issues! If you have questions or thoughts on the ALIEN RPG, don't hesitate to visit our forums on the Free League website or follow us on Facebook.
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Quote from: Xenomrph on May 28, 2019, 12:38:41 AM
The thing is, I hate reading books on my computer so I'm likely going to wait for the print edition before I really dive deep into anything.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on May 28, 2019, 09:01:53 PMLet me know how much that ends up costing you, maybe I'll do the same thing.Quote from: Xenomrph on May 28, 2019, 12:38:41 AM
The thing is, I hate reading books on my computer so I'm likely going to wait for the print edition before I really dive deep into anything.
I'm the same, so I'm gonna have Staples print me a copy and coil bind it.
And yeah, that Anniversary Edition looks pretty bland compared to the Standard!
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 29, 2019, 01:23:10 AMQuote from: Mr. Clemens on May 28, 2019, 09:01:53 PMLet me know how much that ends up costing you, maybe I'll do the same thing.Quote from: Xenomrph on May 28, 2019, 12:38:41 AM
The thing is, I hate reading books on my computer so I'm likely going to wait for the print edition before I really dive deep into anything.
I'm the same, so I'm gonna have Staples print me a copy and coil bind it.
And yeah, that Anniversary Edition looks pretty bland compared to the Standard!
Quote from: Monster Man on May 29, 2019, 09:53:54 PM
Reading through this stuff, everything seems fine. Everything except how movement is covered. Ordinarily something like D&D uses a grid along with 5-foot increments to measure a characters movement within' a round. This mentions something about zones and the like, kinda weird.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on May 30, 2019, 02:23:09 AM
I'm always happy to dump the grid in RPGs. People counting squares is a real tension-killer. :P
I do love me some miniatures as a visual aid, but I find putting 'em on a grid strips back the drama.
Quote from: Dachande on May 30, 2019, 11:33:28 PMQuote from: Mr. Clemens on May 30, 2019, 02:23:09 AM
I'm always happy to dump the grid in RPGs. People counting squares is a real tension-killer. :P
I do love me some miniatures as a visual aid, but I find putting 'em on a grid strips back the drama.
I'm gonna be quite happy using the Board and Minis from Nemesis, I think that will work great
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 01, 2019, 03:50:33 AM
Does it recycle any of the technical errata from the CMTM?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 01, 2019, 03:50:33 AM
Does it recycle any of the technical errata from the CMTM?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 01, 2019, 12:00:44 PM
How long until they pollute this thing with a Predator supplement?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 01, 2019, 02:24:27 PM
I doubt we'll see Predator for a long time, if at all. When I was helping out with the odd bit and bob, I asked about if AvP related stuff was wanted and it wasn't.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 31, 2019, 09:10:08 PMQuote from: Dachande on May 30, 2019, 11:33:28 PMQuote from: Mr. Clemens on May 30, 2019, 02:23:09 AM
I'm always happy to dump the grid in RPGs. People counting squares is a real tension-killer. :P
I do love me some miniatures as a visual aid, but I find putting 'em on a grid strips back the drama.
I'm gonna be quite happy using the Board and Minis from Nemesis, I think that will work great
Didn't get the Prodos stuff while it was around?
QuoteOverall
I'm very impressed with Cinematic Starter Kit for the Alien RPG. It'll be a great way to learn the game and an acceptable way to pass the time while we wait for the main book to hit the printers.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 05, 2019, 08:10:46 AM
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/articles/hopes-last-stand-uk-games-expo-preview-of-alien-the-roleplaying-game/
A short write-up of my experience at the UKGE demo session.
QuoteHello! This is the seventh official newsletter for the upcoming ALIEN tabletop RPG by Free League Publishing and Twentieth Century Fox.
The pre-order at ALIEN-RPG.COM has now been running for over a week, and we have sent out Cinematic Starter Kit PDFs to hundreds of players. The response has been great so far – here's a full review from GeekNative.
What's even more awesome is the awesome community that's quickly growing around the game. Already, players are sharing ideas, advice and amazing resources with each other. This is something we highly encourage, and we'd like to take this opportunity to give you an overview of some great places to go online:
The inofficial Facebook group called "ALIEN RPG by Free League" is probably the most active place right now. There, you can already find resources like form-fillable character sheets, printer-friendly sheets, digital dice rollers, and much, much more.
You're also very welcome to official forums on the Free League website. That's a great place for questions on the rules and setting, and for posting feedback on the Starter Kit PDF, as it's actively monitored by us.
There is also a pretty active subreddit and Mewe dedicated to the game, as well a Discord dedicated to ALIEN and other games based on the Year Zero Engine.
You are all very welcome to come the Hive and join the conversation! And remember – keep it friendly. :)
Not pre-ordered yet? Hurry over to ALIEN-RPG.COM right now!
Tomorrow at 10AM EST we'll find out if in space no one can hear you scream! Join us for our collaboration with @TheCoriolisCast as we play Alien #RPG coming from @FriaLigan! https://t.co/Xtw4TlJ1O2 pic.twitter.com/kdNQzeQtP2
— Victory Condition Gaming (@DougVCGaming) June 7, 2019
Quote from: skhellter on Jun 07, 2019, 09:24:48 PM
The "Cronus" ship from the Chariots of the Gods scenario has good detailed layouts of all four decks.
It's a heliades class ship, Prometheus equivalent.
Quote from: SM on Jun 08, 2019, 10:24:14 PMQuote from: skhellter on Jun 07, 2019, 09:24:48 PM
The "Cronus" ship from the Chariots of the Gods scenario has good detailed layouts of all four decks.
It's a heliades class ship, Prometheus equivalent.
I screencapped a ton of stuff from Prometheus a while back in order to try and map it. Since it has multiple levels, but the crew only ever seem to inhabit one in the film and there's a distinct lack of stairs, I suspect the RPG one will make more sense.
QuoteBehind the scenes, we're working very hard on the full rulebook, and we expect to be able to share a Beta PDF of whole thing with you in a few weeks. The full game contains lots of material beyond the Cinematic Starter Kit, mostly focused on fleshing out the ALIEN universe for Campaign play.
One really meaty chapter of the full rulebook deals with life in space in 2183 AD, and a big part of that chapter is focused on something every self-respecting sci-fi RPG needs – spaceships. The rulebook will include comprehensive rules for starships, how to modify and upgrade them – and how to fight fast and brutal battles with them.
Several now iconic starships known from the ALIEN films, such as the Nostromo and the Sulaco. To bring these to life, artist John R. Mullaney has created amazing schematic illustratons of these and other space (and ground) vessels. Check out his designs below – in the printed game you'll see them in full size and detailed glory! John's own thoughts on the process:
"I'm thrilled to have been asked to collaborate with Free League and contribute these new artworks to their Alien RPG. My background is in producing full perspective & cross-section artworks of ships from various franchises, and this latest project has enabled me to apply those same 3D techniques to 2D elevations - an illustrative approach which has yet to be applied to the ships from the ALIEN universe. Thanks to the help of the fan community, I was able to acquire and closely study photos of the original miniatures as my primary reference. By then employing a hybrid style of watercolour and Photoshop, I have strived to make each artwork as screen-accurate as the reference allows. I hope the fanbase enjoys these artworks as much as I've enjoyed creating them."
Quote from: Still Collating... on Jun 22, 2019, 11:26:10 AM
Nice! If ever possible, I'd love to see you guys eventually make a playthrough video of the game.
Quote from: Monster Man on Jul 08, 2019, 11:58:17 PM
Currently I'm running this for my crew and everyones liking thus far. Although I gotta say, this ain't no 4-5 hour module, it's been two long sessions with a third one coming up.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 16, 2019, 09:53:37 PM
Mild anxiety over not having pre-ordered yet. That last Prodos sale kinda f**ked up my disposable.Quote from: Monster Man on Jul 08, 2019, 11:58:17 PM
Currently I'm running this for my crew and everyones liking thus far. Although I gotta say, this ain't no 4-5 hour module, it's been two long sessions with a third one coming up.
How genre savvy are they being?
Quote from: Monster Man on Jul 24, 2019, 08:50:39 AMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 16, 2019, 09:53:37 PM
Mild anxiety over not having pre-ordered yet. That last Prodos sale kinda f**ked up my disposable.Quote from: Monster Man on Jul 08, 2019, 11:58:17 PM
Currently I'm running this for my crew and everyones liking thus far. Although I gotta say, this ain't no 4-5 hour module, it's been two long sessions with a third one coming up.
How genre savvy are they being?
Only a couple are acting like this. While everyone else is playin' into the role of a horror movie character. It's like a weird mix of prequel goofiness and the survival mindset of the originals.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 24, 2019, 10:14:20 PMQuote from: Monster Man on Jul 24, 2019, 08:50:39 AMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 16, 2019, 09:53:37 PM
Mild anxiety over not having pre-ordered yet. That last Prodos sale kinda f**ked up my disposable.Quote from: Monster Man on Jul 08, 2019, 11:58:17 PM
Currently I'm running this for my crew and everyones liking thus far. Although I gotta say, this ain't no 4-5 hour module, it's been two long sessions with a third one coming up.
How genre savvy are they being?
Only a couple are acting like this. While everyone else is playin' into the role of a horror movie character. It's like a weird mix of prequel goofiness and the survival mindset of the originals.
Hmm, prolly not the players dragging it out then. Though I do find sometimes I need to introduce an Aliens style "reactors f**ked, you have this long" or equivalent in the third act to really get players moving if they're being stubborn on the whole, not getting eaten front.
Quote from: Monster Man on Jul 24, 2019, 11:00:15 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 24, 2019, 10:14:20 PMQuote from: Monster Man on Jul 24, 2019, 08:50:39 AMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 16, 2019, 09:53:37 PM
Mild anxiety over not having pre-ordered yet. That last Prodos sale kinda f**ked up my disposable.Quote from: Monster Man on Jul 08, 2019, 11:58:17 PM
Currently I'm running this for my crew and everyones liking thus far. Although I gotta say, this ain't no 4-5 hour module, it's been two long sessions with a third one coming up.
How genre savvy are they being?
Only a couple are acting like this. While everyone else is playin' into the role of a horror movie character. It's like a weird mix of prequel goofiness and the survival mindset of the originals.
Hmm, prolly not the players dragging it out then. Though I do find sometimes I need to introduce an Aliens style "reactors f**ked, you have this long" or equivalent in the third act to really get players moving if they're being stubborn on the whole, not getting eaten front.
These kinda things work themselves out when your crew realizeSpoiler
there's nothing left on this ship to perpetuate their survival. Once the Montero goes off, they bring all they can but that's it. Eventually they will run outta food and equipment to deal with the nasties. If there is any chance, it's in repairing the engines along with whatever else is giving problems.[close]
QuoteHello! This is the thirteenth official newsletter for the upcoming ALIEN tabletop RPG by Free League Publishing and Twentieth Century Fox.
The exclusive pre-order of the game over at ALIEN-RPG.COM ends this Sunday August 11, so hurry over there now if you didn't order the game already - and tell your friends if you already did! There will not be another extension of the pre-order, so this is your last chance to gain early access to the 168-page Cinematic Starter Kit PDF and get those awesomely priced bundles!
To spice things up we have added two more pre-order bonuses:
A PDF of a complete 58-page chapter of the full rulebook, called "A Hard Life Amongst the Stars" will be shared shortly with all who have pre-ordered the game. This chapter focuses on space travel, starships and space combat, and gives you some insight into how the ALIEN roleplaying can be about much more than fightning xenomorphs. Note that this is just a sneak peek - the chapter is still not fully edited and proofed - if you spot errors in it, please do report them using the feedback form or on our forums.
All pre-order bundles have now - at no extra cost - been expanded with a bonus 48-page printed booklet, featuring the Chariot of the Gods scenario by Andrew E.C. Gaska, included in the Starter Kit PDF. The booklet will shipped to you along with the 392-page core rulebook and the other bundle items. Chariot was originally intended be included in the core rulebook, but it's simply too extensive for that, and we feel it's more user-friendly to publish it as its own book. The core rulebook will instead include the shorter introductory scenario Hope's Last Day. Note that the Chariot of the Gods booklet is of course included for everyone who pre-orders a bundle, even if you pre-ordered before this announcement.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 02, 2019, 07:25:55 AM
https://frialigan.se/en/games/alien/?downloads
Download section with some maps, sheets (printer-friendly versions) and wallpapers of that awesome art!
Quote from: Monster Man on Sep 24, 2019, 09:32:04 AMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 02, 2019, 07:25:55 AM
https://frialigan.se/en/games/alien/?downloads
Download section with some maps, sheets (printer-friendly versions) and wallpapers of that awesome art!
Wait a second -- Novgorod? Is this for some test scenario?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 06, 2019, 01:17:38 PMObviously you're just going to do a legal name-change? ;)
If it was the correct spelling, it could have been the person my ship in Rage War is named after! :laugh:
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 06, 2019, 08:54:36 AM
I made it into another book! ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/gVMZDYf.jpg)
This is supposed to be me but they got the name wrong :(
(https://i.imgur.com/F9WUZ4T.jpg)
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 08, 2019, 08:24:19 PM
New Neomorph information:
It is genetically programmed to kill all life.
The Neomorphic "Pod" is created by the Pathogen interacting with the pollen in a planet's atmosphere.
The Neomorphic "Mote(s)" is a synchronized swarm of highly infectious Tachinidae tabellarium. Sometimes visible when clustering together to increase their locomotive capabilities. Possessing a primal hive intelligence, it targets the nearest potential host.
The Neomorphic "Bloodburster" is created by the Motes mutating white blood cells as the blood circulates until it forms a cancerous growth that then becomes lodged in a vein. The tumor can take root in any bodily area of sufficient mass. Forming an amniotic sack, the tumor then begins rapidly converting the host's mutated cells into a larval Bloodburster. If lodged in a region of the body with dense muscle or bone and no easy egress, the gestating creature develops dorsal spines to aid in it's escape.
The Adult Neomorph:
As it leaves the Neophyte juvenile stage and reaches adulthood the Neomorph's smooth, eyeless head becomes more enlongated and pointed. The lifecycle and metabolism of Neomorphs is so fast that they quickly burn themselves out. An adult Neomorph typically dies of natural causes within 24 hours. Fungus interacting with the decaying corpse will be transformed into new spore sacs, continuing the cycle.
QuotePhysical form:
The Engineers, while a number of fossilized discoveries place them at 4.5 meters tall, most agree that they averaged around 2.7 meters tall. Theories suggest unique castes of Engineer exist with physical alternatives developed into them, thereby distinguishing civilian and military factions. Others postulated that not all the crumbling edifices unearthed belong to the Engineers but other species seeded by or predating them. If that is the case, the civilisations responsible also, no longer exist. And pointing to the enormous remains of the so-called "Space Jockey" specimen reported witnessed by three parties. A number of xenoanthropologists suggest the Engineers based their biomechanical technology on creatures greater than themselves- strange beings of immense size replete with pachydermic probosci.
However since the specimen in question was unfortunately destroyed, all of this is merely conjecture.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 08, 2019, 08:28:05 PMQuote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 08, 2019, 08:24:19 PM
New Neomorph information:
It is genetically programmed to kill all life.
The Neomorphic "Pod" is created by the Pathogen interacting with the pollen in a planet's atmosphere.
The Neomorphic "Mote(s)" is a synchronized swarm of highly infectious Tachinidae tabellarium. Sometimes visible when clustering together to increase their locomotive capabilities. Possessing a primal hive intelligence, it targets the nearest potential host.
The Neomorphic "Bloodburster" is created by the Motes mutating white blood cells as the blood circulates until it forms a cancerous growth that then becomes lodged in a vein. The tumor can take root in any bodily area of sufficient mass. Forming an amniotic sack, the tumor then begins rapidly converting the host's mutated cells into a larval Bloodburster. If lodged in a region of the body with dense muscle or bone and no easy egress, the gestating creature develops dorsal spines to aid in it's escape.
The Adult Neomorph:
As it leaves the Neophyte juvenile stage and reaches adulthood the Neomorph's smooth, eyeless head becomes more enlongated and pointed. The lifecycle and metabolism of Neomorphs is so fast that they quickly burn themselves out. An adult Neomorph typically dies of natural causes within 24 hours. Fungus interacting with the decaying corpse will be transformed into new spore sacs, continuing the cycle.
Seems legit.
Quote from: SM on Nov 08, 2019, 11:22:46 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 08, 2019, 08:28:05 PMQuote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 08, 2019, 08:24:19 PM
New Neomorph information:
It is genetically programmed to kill all life.
The Neomorphic "Pod" is created by the Pathogen interacting with the pollen in a planet's atmosphere.
The Neomorphic "Mote(s)" is a synchronized swarm of highly infectious Tachinidae tabellarium. Sometimes visible when clustering together to increase their locomotive capabilities. Possessing a primal hive intelligence, it targets the nearest potential host.
The Neomorphic "Bloodburster" is created by the Motes mutating white blood cells as the blood circulates until it forms a cancerous growth that then becomes lodged in a vein. The tumor can take root in any bodily area of sufficient mass. Forming an amniotic sack, the tumor then begins rapidly converting the host's mutated cells into a larval Bloodburster. If lodged in a region of the body with dense muscle or bone and no easy egress, the gestating creature develops dorsal spines to aid in it's escape.
The Adult Neomorph:
As it leaves the Neophyte juvenile stage and reaches adulthood the Neomorph's smooth, eyeless head becomes more enlongated and pointed. The lifecycle and metabolism of Neomorphs is so fast that they quickly burn themselves out. An adult Neomorph typically dies of natural causes within 24 hours. Fungus interacting with the decaying corpse will be transformed into new spore sacs, continuing the cycle.
Seems legit.
I think the mote pods would've been better interacting with fungus rather than pollen.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 08, 2019, 08:39:56 PMQuotePhysical form:
The Engineers, while a number of fossilized discoveries place them at 4.5 meters tall, most agree that they averaged around 2.7 meters tall. Theories suggest unique castes of Engineer exist with physical alternatives developed into them, thereby distinguishing civilian and military factions. Others postulated that not all the crumbling edifices unearthed belong to the Engineers but other species seeded by or predating them. If that is the case, the civilisations responsible also, no longer exist. And pointing to the enormous remains of the so-called "Space Jockey" specimen reported witnessed by three parties. A number of xenoanthropologists suggest the Engineers based their biomechanical technology on creatures greater than themselves- strange beings of immense size replete with pachydermic probosci.
However since the specimen in question was unfortunately destroyed, all of this is merely conjecture.
You must be thrilled. ;)
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 09, 2019, 05:20:29 PM
It's a real pity I absolutely LOVE the majority of the book, the world building and the section on the Neomorph in particular is magnificent, perfect understanding of the creature as it is in the film. And the section on the Engineers I could go on about, but I'm disheartened because the parts actually concerning the Alien itself?
Not as palatable.Spoiler
My one major issue is the nature of the Alien itself funnily enough, I don't see the need for all the "unique" versions, a great deal of them unhinging the realism the book so perfectly set up beforehand. The Weaver for example is entirely unnecessary, not great for something named "The Perfect Organism" - I do like the addition of the Stalker though, although it's existence I think required a clearer description.
For instance, I think in the Egg section it should have detailed three types of Eggs.
The regular one, producing the regular (Soldier) Alien, the Praetomorph Egg producing the Stalker Alien and the Praetorian Egg producing the Praetorian Facehugger- and perhaps go for the more believable terminology the Neomorph section used.
Why have three unique names for essentially the one thing changed slightly?
Why not just for the Soldier have "Soldier" and then "Armoured Soldier" for instance?
And for the Scout, "Scout" and "Armoured Scout" then?
And for the Charger, isn't it essentially identical to the Praetorian but just quadrupedal instead of bipedal? Why not merge them into the one creature?
In a story for instance just a Praetorian or two that were intended to be Queens just have to stay as is because a Queen is already present?
While I understand the "Royal Jelly" nonsense, might be useful for gameplay and all the castes, I don't think the believability/tonal/plausibility trade is worth it.[close]
QuoteNot sure how I feel about companies actually obtaining the Alien, nor the additions to Acheron LV-426;Fiorina 161;Spoiler
The idea the Derelict survived, ambiguously. Instead of directly connecting it to The Cold Forge, or declaring it destroyed completely.[close]Or particularly LV-223- The inclusion of the awful Fire and Stone series continuity in particular is immensely disappointing, as is the referencing of the Pathogen as an "Accelerant" something retconned by Covenant. It's honestly totally took the wind out of my sails in regards to the book...Spoiler
Three Eggs in the bowels of the facility, Andrews, Boggs and Rains ovomorphed.[close]
QuoteSpoiler
Empress, okay but also Queen Mother? Also Alien King? Really? Seriously?[close]
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 08, 2019, 08:28:22 PMTerminology:
Hieroglyphic tablets unearthed on Tanaka 5 call them Ossians. The decoded Derelict beacon on LV-426 made reference to the Mala'kak. Whatever they call themselves, to modern humanity Praetomorph they are known simply as the Engineers.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 12, 2019, 09:40:03 PM
lol please No.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 12, 2019, 09:40:03 PMBut the Tanakan Scorpionids do get a full page.
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Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 12, 2019, 09:06:30 PM
Any particular thoughts?
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 16, 2019, 11:50:53 PM
Yes, in fact Plagiarus Praepotens is now the main object of acquisition and is referred to all over the book.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 16, 2019, 11:27:01 PM
I don't know much about the goo
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 16, 2019, 11:27:01 PM
but it sounds like they're throwing in everything from the pre-Covenant EU. Why do that?
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 16, 2019, 11:50:53 PM
Yes, in fact Plagiarus Praepotens is now the main object of acquisition and is referred to all over the book.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 23, 2019, 09:31:53 PMFrom what I get the RPG will be up for sale again on 10 of december.
Might be better to wait for the actual publishers to put up pre-orders again.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 12, 2019, 09:40:03 PMThat is a hilariously specific shout-out, I love it.
lol please No.
But the Tanakan Scorpionids do get a full page.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 15, 2019, 08:50:22 PMIt's not "non-canon", nor does it contradict. The whole point of the Black Goo is that it's an unpredictable mutagenic macguffin that does weird and scary shit that you can't predict.
It shouldn't be using non-canon (Garbage) material that contradicts the current material, case in point- everything about LV-223 past the Prometheus time period.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 24, 2019, 05:06:40 PMQuote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 15, 2019, 08:50:22 PM
It shouldn't be using non-canon (Garbage) material that contradicts the current material, case in point- everything about LV-223 past the Prometheus time period.
It's not "non-canon", nor does it contradict. The whole point of the Black Goo is that it's an unpredictable mutagenic macguffin that does weird and scary shit that you can't predict.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 24, 2019, 09:51:03 PMShit, I'll mail you that for free - it's an empty box. :)
Will no one take me up on my bounty for Xenomrph's collection of non-canon stuff?
Quote from: SiL on Nov 24, 2019, 09:52:49 PMDing ding ding, we have a winner.
I thought it was pretty obvious the black goo is liquid plot device and does whatever it needs to to push the story ahead.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 24, 2019, 10:38:19 PMThe book doesn't have a full retail release until Dec 10th, I wouldn't be surprised if Free League sold a PDF version from their store after that point. I've seen lots of RPG/tabletop companies sell PDFs for their stuff.
How does one with a moral opposition to physical media acquire this RPG if one were so inclined?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 24, 2019, 10:42:24 PMIt'll take some rearranging, but I'll make it happen.
Will you have space on the bookshelf for this?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 24, 2019, 11:08:01 PMIt says it has a gravity of .86, like the CMTM does.
Does this RPG specify the size of LV-426?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 25, 2019, 12:08:00 AMHaven't found one yet, I was actually just talking about that with SiL not too long ago. I haven't gone page by page through the book yet, just been flipping to random sections.
Any references to Colonel Dr. Church yet?
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 25, 2019, 02:25:44 AM
If they were going to crib stuff from A:CM I think the submachine gun would have been a smart call, but maybe they're saving it for a hypothetical "weapons and gear" expansion.
QuoteThe "heavy pulse rifle" also reminds me of something, I think there was a barrel extension in Colonial Marines?
Quote from: SiL on Nov 24, 2019, 09:52:49 PM
I thought it was pretty obvious the black goo is liquid plot device and does whatever it needs to to push the story ahead.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 25, 2019, 09:07:49 PMDoes the board game refer to that as a heavy pulse rifle?Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 25, 2019, 02:25:44 AM
If they were going to crib stuff from A:CM I think the submachine gun would have been a smart call, but maybe they're saving it for a hypothetical "weapons and gear" expansion.
Agreed, prolly the best thing that game added.QuoteThe "heavy pulse rifle" also reminds me of something, I think there was a barrel extension in Colonial Marines?
It shows up in the boardgame too:
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTYsLniznIfKK6yMp_6VuY6Z0b-XdASNb7xzT75qMgsesXE9xqX)Quote from: SiL on Nov 24, 2019, 09:52:49 PM
I thought it was pretty obvious the black goo is liquid plot device and does whatever it needs to to push the story ahead.
As much as I appreciate the effort FI has put into making a codified, sensible case study of the stuff - this is unfortunately accurate and likely will continue to be how it's used in future.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 25, 2019, 12:08:32 PM
It does, the extensiveness of the book is crazy- it's near perfect.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 25, 2019, 09:48:19 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 25, 2019, 09:07:49 PMDoes the board game refer to that as a heavy pulse rifle?Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 25, 2019, 02:25:44 AM
If they were going to crib stuff from A:CM I think the submachine gun would have been a smart call, but maybe they're saving it for a hypothetical "weapons and gear" expansion.
Agreed, prolly the best thing that game added.QuoteThe "heavy pulse rifle" also reminds me of something, I think there was a barrel extension in Colonial Marines?
It shows up in the boardgame too:
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTYsLniznIfKK6yMp_6VuY6Z0b-XdASNb7xzT75qMgsesXE9xqX)Quote from: SiL on Nov 24, 2019, 09:52:49 PM
I thought it was pretty obvious the black goo is liquid plot device and does whatever it needs to to push the story ahead.
As much as I appreciate the effort FI has put into making a codified, sensible case study of the stuff - this is unfortunately accurate and likely will continue to be how it's used in future.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 27, 2019, 07:21:23 PM
What's wrong with The Rage War?
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 27, 2019, 09:08:51 PM
It's worthless, by the time you know a character's name, they're dead, Aliens wear breathing masks, in addition to other ridiculous things of that nature, nanomachines son and it just shits on the tone of the first three Alien films in general.
Quote from: SM on Nov 27, 2019, 07:36:51 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Nov 27, 2019, 07:21:23 PM
What's wrong with The Rage War?
Not much. The dates are a bit messed up, but overall it's good fun.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 27, 2019, 09:25:27 PM
I think anything within the AVP sphere is considered it's own thing.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 27, 2019, 07:49:18 PM
How does it compare to TCF?
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 27, 2019, 10:15:51 PM
If any other media returns to LV-223 and contradicts the DH series, (more than other stuff already does) does that mean it's no longer canon or it's just the reality within the AVP Verse or something else?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 27, 2019, 09:21:39 PMYes.
Is it canon?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2019, 12:01:25 AMWell I mean, obviously it can.
I think a devoted apocryphile like Xenomrph would still claim it could all fit.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 28, 2019, 02:31:39 AMa point does emerge when a contradiction becomes unworkable.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 28, 2019, 02:31:39 AMThe "problem" with this line of thinking is that "canon" and "continuity" aren't synonyms. A lot of people treat them like they are and that's perfectly fine, but conceptually that's never been the case.
a point does emerge when a contradiction becomes unworkable.
Quotethe AVPE Bestiary format is so much more simple, believable and more potentially expansiveI take it you're referring to the AvP: Extinction video game? I loved the bestiary in that, I thought it was awesome that they tried to include semi-plausible explanations for obviously wacky gameplay conventions and ideas, it was a great touch. I like the Predator backstories that NECA writes up for their Kenner remakes for the same reason.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 28, 2019, 03:04:13 AMI didn't really get the vibe that AvPE was "simplifying" anything, but the bestiary was a classy attempt at taking really obviously game-centric concepts and trying to rationalize them "in universe", and I appreciated that.
Yes, the Extinction Bestiary- I thought it was a great way of simplifying the caste system, apart from the Drone/Warrior distinction.
I felt the RPG really went overboard with needless complexity in that regard.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2019, 12:09:01 AM
Since the RPG includes Corporal Hicks, I wonder if it references a mysterious character who speaks in short sentences and is known only by his initials.Spoiler
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Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2019, 06:51:11 AMHow do you know there isn't a high-stakes covert war happening right under your nose right this very second?
I was expecting a furious canon war by now. :(
Quote from: SM on Nov 28, 2019, 07:24:52 AMWhich one?Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2019, 12:09:01 AM
Since the RPG includes Corporal Hicks, I wonder if it references a mysterious character who speaks in short sentences and is known only by his initials.Spoiler
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Bitch I got a film character named after me.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 28, 2019, 08:25:30 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2019, 06:51:11 AMHow do you know there isn't a high-stakes covert war happening right under your nose right this very second?
I was expecting a furious canon war by now. :(
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 28, 2019, 12:56:45 PMKind sir the Canon Cold War is no laughing matter. >:(Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 28, 2019, 08:25:30 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2019, 06:51:11 AMHow do you know there isn't a high-stakes covert war happening right under your nose right this very second?
I was expecting a furious canon war by now. :(
Okay, this made me laugh out loud. :D
Quote from: SM on Nov 28, 2019, 11:29:17 AM
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/f/f2/Gorman.png/revision/latest?cb=20150131234109)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 28, 2019, 02:26:52 PMHe's referring to the WY Report, Perry put Gorman's name as Scott Gorman as a nod to SM.Quote from: SM on Nov 28, 2019, 11:29:17 AM
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/f/f2/Gorman.png/revision/latest?cb=20150131234109)
Nah man, his name is William. Pft Scott.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 28, 2019, 08:25:30 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2019, 06:51:11 AM
I was expecting a furious canon war by now. :(
How do you know there isn't a high-stakes covert war happening right under your nose right this very second?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2019, 08:33:24 PMGorman?
He's not enigmatic enough though. He talks too much and isn't obscured by shadows
Quote from: SM on Nov 28, 2019, 07:14:41 PMThis one gets me misty-eyed...
William, Schmilliam.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 29, 2019, 01:39:31 AM
Shadow Man's theme is entitled "Quite."
Quote from: Huggs on Nov 29, 2019, 01:58:44 AM:DQuote from: Local Trouble on Nov 29, 2019, 01:39:31 AM
Shadow Man's theme is entitled "Quite."
And what if that S stands for Sister, and it's really a smoking hot Nun that you've been talking to this whole time?
Quote from: SM on Nov 29, 2019, 04:11:46 AM
Think of a ball of steel the size of ten suns.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 29, 2019, 04:58:43 AMQuote from: SM on Nov 29, 2019, 04:11:46 AM
Think of a ball of steel the size of ten suns.
No problem, I have two of them.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 29, 2019, 04:58:43 AM:DQuote from: SM on Nov 29, 2019, 04:11:46 AM
Think of a ball of steel the size of ten suns.
No problem, I have two of them.
Quote from: SM on Nov 29, 2019, 04:11:46 AM
Think of a ball of steel the size of ten suns. Every million years a butterfly flies past and brushes its wings against it. When that ball has worn down to nothing, your suffering will only have just begun.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 29, 2019, 04:58:43 AMQuote from: SM on Nov 29, 2019, 04:11:46 AM
Think of a ball of steel the size of ten suns.
No problem, I have two of them.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 27, 2019, 09:08:51 PM
It's worthless, by the time you know a character's name, they're dead, Aliens wear breathing masks, in addition to other ridiculous things of that nature, nanomachines son and it just shits on the tone of the first three Alien films in general.
Quote from: razeak on Dec 02, 2019, 06:23:46 PMQuote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 27, 2019, 09:08:51 PM
It's worthless, by the time you know a character's name, they're dead, Aliens wear breathing masks, in addition to other ridiculous things of that nature, nanomachines son and it just shits on the tone of the first three Alien films in general.
While I enjoyed it overall if I disconnect it a little, and found issue with the same things you did, I swear if I had to read a sentence that read "Mains let loose nano shot" any more I think I would have burned my kindle.
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Dec 05, 2019, 06:19:20 PMThis book f**king rules.
Some throwback references to the old EU include "the church of immaculate incubation" who apparently are a remnant of the Earthsavers from the Covenant Origins novel (that's one way to bridge the EU). One of the major corporations Mentioned is Bionational from book 1. And a xeno hiveworld called G-435 which was the planetoid from Earth War and Genocide. As well as Bracken's World from the "Colonial Marines" comic.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 06, 2019, 09:52:19 AM
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Quote from: Alien Primordial Origin on Dec 14, 2019, 07:22:29 AMthe Derelict and the Juggernaut are different ships, and I remember someone up-thread mentioning that the RPG is ambiguous as to the fate of the ship and its cargo.
What about the site on LV-426 where the juggernaut and the space jockey are located? Are the eggs still there?
And what happen to the Sulaco after the event of Alien 3?
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 14, 2019, 08:45:16 PM
Yes, that's myself I believe.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 14, 2019, 08:07:41 PMthe Derelict and the Juggernaut are different ships, and I remember someone up-thread mentioning that the RPG is ambiguous as to the fate of the ship and its cargo.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 16, 2019, 09:10:46 PMIt's behind a mountain range, which shielded it.
Yes actually yeah if volcanic activity did damage it, it's likely destroyed.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 18, 2019, 09:45:16 PMShe knows that Queens make eggs and that Aliens are crafty bastards and you can never be too careful, too. :P
But she actually knew about the derelict. Time to face facts and mourn its passing.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 18, 2019, 10:04:02 PMGonna disagree on "garbage", it's in both AvPClassic and the CMTM.
According to the film itself, if the main menu is to be believed it's one or none onboard the Sulaco just as with the Narcissus/Nostromo. Beyond the Alien Trilogy for the Derelict personally I think it's gone because any source other than Isolation and Infestation, that's included it is garbage, so far. And any good GM will refuse to go back to LV-426 anyway.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 18, 2019, 10:02:25 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Dec 18, 2019, 09:45:16 PM
But she actually knew about the derelict. Time to face facts and mourn its passing.
She knows that Queens make eggs and that Aliens are crafty bastards and you can never be too careful, too. :P
She knew about the derelict, but didn't know necessarily where it was in relation to anything. Also she doesn't know how to launch nukes, and the two people who might are either in a coma or in pieces. Also she's very tired and it's time for everyone to take a nap and go home. She goofed, and the Derelict remains. :)
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 18, 2019, 10:24:41 PMHis opinions, which he's entitled to :)Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 18, 2019, 10:02:25 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Dec 18, 2019, 09:45:16 PM
But she actually knew about the derelict. Time to face facts and mourn its passing.
She knows that Queens make eggs and that Aliens are crafty bastards and you can never be too careful, too. :P
She knew about the derelict, but didn't know necessarily where it was in relation to anything. Also she doesn't know how to launch nukes, and the two people who might are either in a coma or in pieces. Also she's very tired and it's time for everyone to take a nap and go home. She goofed, and the Derelict remains. :)
What does SM usually say to that?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 18, 2019, 10:24:41 PMQuote from: Xenomrph on Dec 18, 2019, 10:02:25 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Dec 18, 2019, 09:45:16 PM
But she actually knew about the derelict. Time to face facts and mourn its passing.
She knows that Queens make eggs and that Aliens are crafty bastards and you can never be too careful, too. :P
She knew about the derelict, but didn't know necessarily where it was in relation to anything. Also she doesn't know how to launch nukes, and the two people who might are either in a coma or in pieces. Also she's very tired and it's time for everyone to take a nap and go home. She goofed, and the Derelict remains. :)
What does SM usually say to that?
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 18, 2019, 11:04:27 PM
Case in point
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 18, 2019, 11:18:12 PMSure, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. :) it's why the RPG is ambiguousQuote from: Xenomrph on Dec 18, 2019, 11:04:27 PM
Case in point
So there's room to negotiate?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 18, 2019, 11:32:51 PMOh on that? f**k no, the derelict survived and anyone who disagrees will be the first ones against the wall when the revolution comes.
Even on the matter of the derelict's survival?
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 18, 2019, 11:48:27 PMI choose to believe otherwise.
Perhaps a ruin exists, but for certain- anything biological within is gone.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 02, 2017, 07:50:26 PM
Assuming the eggs on the derelict survived the explosion, the fallout and if Ripley was unable to nuke it from orbit, maybe the ECA and ICC simply quarantined LV-426. The potential legal consequences may have been enough to deter the company from sending any ships there.
200 years later, perhaps it remained under strict quarantine and even the Auriga couldn't go there.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 19, 2019, 12:10:47 AMEven 2 years later, that holds. Maybe even the fallout from the explosion would've spread planet-wide, adding to the unattractiveness?Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 02, 2017, 07:50:26 PM
Assuming the eggs on the derelict survived the explosion, the fallout and if Ripley was unable to nuke it from orbit, maybe the ECA and ICC simply quarantined LV-426. The potential legal consequences may have been enough to deter the company from sending any ships there.
200 years later, perhaps it remained under strict quarantine and even the Auriga couldn't go there.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 02, 2017, 10:39:30 PM
Another possibility is that the Sulaco was equipped with automated picket drones that could be deployed as satellites around a quarantined planet. These drones would then both transmit a warning beacon and report any violations of the quarantine back to the network.
In lieu of nuking the planet from orbit, maybe Bishop was able to assure Ripley that the company would never be able to plunder the derelict without exposing themselves.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 19, 2019, 12:10:47 AMI like it.Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 02, 2017, 07:50:26 PM
Assuming the eggs on the derelict survived the explosion, the fallout and if Ripley was unable to nuke it from orbit, maybe the ECA and ICC simply quarantined LV-426. The potential legal consequences may have been enough to deter the company from sending any ships there.
200 years later, perhaps it remained under strict quarantine and even the Auriga couldn't go there.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 19, 2019, 12:10:47 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Feb 02, 2017, 07:50:26 PM
Assuming the eggs on the derelict survived the explosion, the fallout and if Ripley was unable to nuke it from orbit, maybe the ECA and ICC simply quarantined LV-426. The potential legal consequences may have been enough to deter the company from sending any ships there.
200 years later, perhaps it remained under strict quarantine and even the Auriga couldn't go there.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 19, 2019, 01:38:06 AMI just did :)
But it was never ratified. :(
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 19, 2019, 02:12:10 AM
Same reason it had for staging a "cloak and dagger" operation outside of regulated space.
Quote from: SM on Dec 19, 2019, 02:55:35 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Dec 19, 2019, 02:12:10 AM
Same reason it had for staging a "cloak and dagger" operation outside of regulated space.
So, hire pirates to abduct people so they can use them for deadly medical experiments, but don't want to violate a quarantine?
Quote from: SM on Dec 19, 2019, 02:55:35 AMWhy not hire the pirates to get the eggs?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 19, 2019, 11:34:49 AMIf they aren't sure eggs are there, and there's a quarantine in place preventing them from accessing the planet, it could very well have been easier to clone Ripley "under the radar". The movie establishes that what they're doing is shady as hell, going to a quarantined planet likely would have raised a lot of uncomfortable questions they couldn't answer without raising too much suspicion and blowing the whole operation. The eggs could be there, but for all intents and purposes they might as well have not existed.
I find it hard to believe the USM would go to all the effort of cloning a long-dead Ripley (especially given how clearly difficult it was to perfect) when they could just go to the derelict and grab some eggs.
Ergo, it is unequivocally gone.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 19, 2019, 04:26:56 PMI like the idea a lot, especially in light of the RPG. I might tweak it a bit to accommodate some other sources and events (mostly involves shifting the timeline back a little so the quarantine doesn't go into effect immediately after 'Aliens', but the end result is the same.
Is that your canon now?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 19, 2019, 11:34:49 AM^
I find it hard to believe the USM would go to all the effort of cloning a long-dead Ripley (especially given how clearly difficult it was to perfect) when they could just go to the derelict and grab some eggs.
Ergo, it is unequivocally gone.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 20, 2019, 02:29:50 AM
But that upsets people.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 20, 2019, 04:18:33 AMFound the opinion.Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 20, 2019, 02:29:50 AM
But that upsets people.
So do death and taxes, and they're just as unavoidable as the most reasonable conclusion being that the derelict is gone.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 20, 2019, 02:29:50 AM
But that upsets people.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 20, 2019, 05:40:08 AM
Let's play "spot the opinion".Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 20, 2019, 04:18:33 AMFound the opinion.Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 20, 2019, 02:29:50 AM
But that upsets people.
So do death and taxes, and they're just as unavoidable as the most reasonable conclusion being that the derelict is gone.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 20, 2019, 06:30:21 AMWe'll have to agree to disagree.Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 20, 2019, 05:40:08 AM
Let's play "spot the opinion".Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 20, 2019, 04:18:33 AMFound the opinion.Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 20, 2019, 02:29:50 AM
But that upsets people.
So do death and taxes, and they're just as unavoidable as the most reasonable conclusion being that the derelict is gone.
It outright is the most reasonable conclusion though.
Quote from: razeak on Dec 20, 2019, 04:56:33 PMI don't know if an exact number is given, but there's a mountain range between the colony and the derelict.
How far was the colony from the derelict?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 06, 2016, 12:17:12 PMQuote from: Primordial on Jul 06, 2016, 10:33:22 AMI remember reading a Local Trouble post, where he says the explosion triggered a volcanic activity which destroyed the ship.
It's plausible enough. We know that the derelict was already damaged by volcanic activity between Alien and Aliens. It's not much of a stretch to believe that a powerful nuclear explosion could trigger another eruption that finished it off.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 20, 2019, 06:47:55 PM
That feels really unlikely IMO. Is there even any evidence of nuclear detonations triggering major seismic activity on Earth?
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 20, 2019, 06:47:55 PM
Like, it's not impossible, but counting it as evidence that the ship was destroyed feels mega-spurious. It's also circular reasoning - it presupposes it was destroyed. I think it'd be more relevant if we knew for a fact that it had been destroyed, and were coming up with theories as to how it happened.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 20, 2019, 05:43:51 PM
Not far enough. ;D
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 20, 2019, 09:02:42 PM
The CNN article is fascinating, thanks. :)
I don't see how Alien3 has any bearing on the Derelict - the CMTM directly takes it into account, in fact.
As for AR, that's a stronger case but I don't think it's bulletproof, and easy to work around (your quarantine idea, for example). Even the WYR is ambiguous aside from saying it's not a viable source of eggs as of the book's position in the timeline.
QuoteI think the RPG being ambiguous is a very fair way to handle it.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 20, 2019, 09:02:42 PM
I think the RPG being ambiguous is a very fair way to handle it.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 20, 2019, 09:07:31 PMI guess I'm the outlier, I've never been a fan of reductionism. I'd much rather find ways to include things rather than exclude them.Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 20, 2019, 09:02:42 PM
The CNN article is fascinating, thanks. :)
I don't see how Alien3 has any bearing on the Derelict - the CMTM directly takes it into account, in fact.
As for AR, that's a stronger case but I don't think it's bulletproof, and easy to work around (your quarantine idea, for example). Even the WYR is ambiguous aside from saying it's not a viable source of eggs as of the book's position in the timeline.
Basically, one take requires ignoring some material. The other requires creating stuff from whole cloth to justify. Obviously neither are perfect, but I think most are far happier to go the reductive route.QuoteI think the RPG being ambiguous is a very fair way to handle it.
Fair enough.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 20, 2019, 09:23:35 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 20, 2019, 09:07:31 PMI guess I'm the outlier, I've never been a fan of reductionism. I'd much rather find ways to include things rather than exclude them.Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 20, 2019, 09:02:42 PM
The CNN article is fascinating, thanks. :)
I don't see how Alien3 has any bearing on the Derelict - the CMTM directly takes it into account, in fact.
As for AR, that's a stronger case but I don't think it's bulletproof, and easy to work around (your quarantine idea, for example). Even the WYR is ambiguous aside from saying it's not a viable source of eggs as of the book's position in the timeline.
Basically, one take requires ignoring some material. The other requires creating stuff from whole cloth to justify. Obviously neither are perfect, but I think most are far happier to go the reductive route.QuoteI think the RPG being ambiguous is a very fair way to handle it.
Fair enough.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 20, 2019, 09:36:33 PMMaybe we just haven't found them yet, it's a real dense book. ;)
And yet no references to Labyrinth? That must be disappointing.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 20, 2019, 09:33:46 PM
I can respect that, that approach just isn't for me. :)
It's also part of why seeing the RPG make wacky offhand references to obscure silly shit has me cackling like a crazy person. This is some of the most fun I've had with the franchise in ages.
QuoteI'm not overly worried about making it all fit or unpicking a "coherent truth"
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 20, 2019, 10:11:04 PM
What are the Tongal Shorts?
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 19, 2019, 03:53:33 PMIf they aren't sure eggs are there, and there's a quarantine in place preventing them from accessing the planet, it could very well have been easier to clone Ripley "under the radar".
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Dec 20, 2019, 09:59:27 PMBut some new things I noticed were that it included Bowen's Landing, LV-492 and LV-422 from the Tongal Shorts. It also mentions the swarm from Dan Abnett's short story in "Bug Hunt"...
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 23, 2019, 10:08:39 AMCloning may very well have been an easier and more viable opportunity than acquiring eggs, no matter who they tasked with doing it. If the planet is under some kind of quarantine or whatever, maybe hijacking a ship and kidnapping people is the easier option.Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 19, 2019, 03:53:33 PMIf they aren't sure eggs are there, and there's a quarantine in place preventing them from accessing the planet, it could very well have been easier to clone Ripley "under the radar".
So get some pirates to do it "under the radar", like they literally did to acquire live human hosts despite that also being illegal as f*ck.
The film makes it pretty clear the cloning project was immensely difficult, and if you throw in the novelisation as well, it took decades to get it even half-right. The idea they'd go to all that effort when there were eggs lying about is nonsensical.
Not to mention Perez saying for all intents and presupposes Ripley wiped the Aliens out strongly implies their cloning project is the only option left.
Quote from: SM on Dec 23, 2019, 11:46:53 AMThe Nebraska thing was hyperbole to emphasize how shitty their situation was - we know how big a 40 megaton blast is. :)
And if you throw in the novelisation again it entirely removes the implication and outright states the Derelict was destroyed, along with the eggs with the AP Station destruction leaving a crater just a little smaller than Nebraska.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 23, 2019, 10:08:39 AMQuote from: Xenomrph on Dec 19, 2019, 03:53:33 PMIf they aren't sure eggs are there, and there's a quarantine in place preventing them from accessing the planet, it could very well have been easier to clone Ripley "under the radar".
So get some pirates to do it "under the radar", like they literally did to acquire live human hosts despite that also being illegal as f*ck.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 19, 2019, 03:07:49 AMI guess that all depends on how a quarantine is enforced in this scenario. Maybe the hypothetical picket drones that I suggested before are also armed with military-grade weapons, thus preventing any violators from even approaching LV-426 without being fired on and potentially killed.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 24, 2019, 12:35:23 AM
Not just that, let's think about how an Auriga-contracted egg-hunt might shake out:
Auriga contracts some mercenaries to do an off-the-books job. Grabbing eggs is dangerous without some kind of preparation, so the Auriga tells the mercs vaguely what they're dealing with so they don't f**k it up - the Auriga doesn't get their eggs if all the mercs are dead, after all.
Who knows if the pay is "good", or maybe the mercs start to think they've got a goldmine on their hands and double-cross the Auriga and try to find a higher bidder - assuming the details of the job haven't already leaked and someone on the Auriga flips for the opportunity for a payday, or one of the mercs opens their mouth and corporate interests find out about the job ahead of time and sabotage/intercept it. There's a lot of ways the Auriga could get f**ked, and they'd have no recourse. Shit, maybe it already happened "off screen" and it's not brought up in the movie.
And since you're dealing with Aliens, the mercs could still drop the ball and get themselves killed at any point despite having an idea of what they're getting themselves into. And all of this is irrespective of a hypothetical blockade or quarantine or whatever.
Or you send the mercs in blind with minimal instruction, and hope they don't pull a Nostromo and get themselves killed, or that they get clever and sell out anyway.
Telling a bunch of mercs to capture a bunch of warm bodies and not tell them why is likely to raise less questions and decrease the chances of something going wrong, and that's probably a big factor in why the Auriga did what it did.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 24, 2019, 12:58:19 AM
There's also the question of territoriality during the era of Alien Resurrection. Is LV-426 even located within USM-controlled space? Maybe the old corporations fled Earth and made homes on far-flung colony worlds where they maintain control over their territorial holdings with military power of their own.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 24, 2019, 01:10:42 AM
I must have forgotten what the source material said about it then.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Dec 24, 2019, 01:29:17 AMSpoiler
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 24, 2019, 12:35:23 AM
Not just that, let's think about how an Auriga-contracted egg-hunt might shake out:
Auriga contracts some mercenaries to do an off-the-books job. Grabbing eggs is dangerous without some kind of preparation, so the Auriga tells the mercs vaguely what they're dealing with so they don't f**k it up - the Auriga doesn't get their eggs if all the mercs are dead, after all.
Who knows if the pay is "good", or maybe the mercs start to think they've got a goldmine on their hands and double-cross the Auriga and try to find a higher bidder - assuming the details of the job haven't already leaked and someone on the Auriga flips for the opportunity for a payday, or one of the mercs opens their mouth and corporate interests find out about the job ahead of time and sabotage/intercept it. There's a lot of ways the Auriga could get f**ked, and they'd have no recourse. Shit, maybe it already happened "off screen" and it's not brought up in the movie.
And since you're dealing with Aliens, the mercs could still drop the ball and get themselves killed at any point despite having an idea of what they're getting themselves into. And all of this is irrespective of a hypothetical blockade or quarantine or whatever.
Or you send the mercs in blind with minimal instruction, and hope they don't pull a Nostromo and get themselves killed, or that they get clever and sell out anyway.
Telling a bunch of mercs to capture a bunch of warm bodies and not tell them why is likely to raise less questions and decrease the chances of something going wrong, and that's probably a big factor in why the Auriga did what it did.Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 24, 2019, 12:58:19 AM
There's also the question of territoriality during the era of Alien Resurrection. Is LV-426 even located within USM-controlled space? Maybe the old corporations fled Earth and made homes on far-flung colony worlds where they maintain control over their territorial holdings with military power of their own.[close]
Yeah I really like where this is going.
Quote from: SM on Dec 24, 2019, 01:05:50 AMThe movie is noncommittal and easily explained, the novelization is a little harder but not impossible, the CMTM says it's definitely there, the WYR and RPG are ambiguous, and other sources like AvPClassic and ACM feature the derelict prominently, if one chooses to accept those.
It's not a question if there's source material telling us otherwise.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 24, 2019, 01:46:28 AMQuote from: SM on Dec 24, 2019, 01:05:50 AM
It's not a question if there's source material telling us otherwise.
The movie is noncommittal and easily explained, the novelization is a little harder but not impossible, the CMTM says it's definitely there, the WYR and RPG are ambiguous, and other sources like AvPClassic and ACM feature the derelict prominently, if one chooses to accept those.
Also none of the aforementioned sources say anything about territoriality anyway, so LT's question is a valid one.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 24, 2019, 12:24:52 PMThere's a loose enough plot that you can follow what's going on, especially in the Marine campaign. The nameless Marine is stationed at a new research facility built around the Derelict in the decade since 'Aliens', and the facility is compromised. He makes his way through the facility and outside to the new colony, and from there he goes to the new atmosphere processor and primes it to explode (it's been a while since I played - I know the game gives a reason for why he does this but I don't remember it), and takes a dropship to the orbiting space station. It's also infested (and there are some Predators and prototype weapons on the loose) so he boards an escape craft to the USS Tyrargo in a nearby orbit. This is *also* infested, so he shoots his way to the hangar, ejects a Queen into space, and assumes he's safe. What happens to him after that is unknown.
AVP Classic is excellent but it's nearly got no story to speak of, if only it used Monolith's story, but I'd sooner take Aliens: The Ultimate Doom, as canon over ACM.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 24, 2019, 12:34:34 PMAccording to the RPG's Facebook group we're getting a book about the USCM next, so I'm hoping we get an expanded arsenal cribbed from the EU. Gimme some of those Alien-liquefying particle cannons from 'Aliens: Backsplash'.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/b36f3b78fa25a12571b365c9f74436d0/tenor.gif
But we keep the weaponry.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 24, 2019, 08:02:56 PMWe achieved consensus back in 1986, all of this has just been hypothetical discussion.
So have we achieved consensus on the status of the derelict then?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 24, 2019, 01:41:56 AMOne passage in the novelization details the state of LV-426.
Gediman definitely referred to Fiori-16, but I don't recall anything in AR about LV-426. I'm talking specifically about the planet, not the derelict.Quote from: Samhain13 on Dec 24, 2019, 01:29:17 AMSpoiler
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 24, 2019, 12:35:23 AM
Not just that, let's think about how an Auriga-contracted egg-hunt might shake out:
Auriga contracts some mercenaries to do an off-the-books job. Grabbing eggs is dangerous without some kind of preparation, so the Auriga tells the mercs vaguely what they're dealing with so they don't f**k it up - the Auriga doesn't get their eggs if all the mercs are dead, after all.
Who knows if the pay is "good", or maybe the mercs start to think they've got a goldmine on their hands and double-cross the Auriga and try to find a higher bidder - assuming the details of the job haven't already leaked and someone on the Auriga flips for the opportunity for a payday, or one of the mercs opens their mouth and corporate interests find out about the job ahead of time and sabotage/intercept it. There's a lot of ways the Auriga could get f**ked, and they'd have no recourse. Shit, maybe it already happened "off screen" and it's not brought up in the movie.
And since you're dealing with Aliens, the mercs could still drop the ball and get themselves killed at any point despite having an idea of what they're getting themselves into. And all of this is irrespective of a hypothetical blockade or quarantine or whatever.
Or you send the mercs in blind with minimal instruction, and hope they don't pull a Nostromo and get themselves killed, or that they get clever and sell out anyway.
Telling a bunch of mercs to capture a bunch of warm bodies and not tell them why is likely to raise less questions and decrease the chances of something going wrong, and that's probably a big factor in why the Auriga did what it did.Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 24, 2019, 12:58:19 AM
There's also the question of territoriality during the era of Alien Resurrection. Is LV-426 even located within USM-controlled space? Maybe the old corporations fled Earth and made homes on far-flung colony worlds where they maintain control over their territorial holdings with military power of their own.[close]
Yeah I really like where this is going.
It still doesn't mean we're getting praetorians.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Dec 26, 2019, 03:06:32 PMHow "the later films play out" consists of Alien Resurrection, and Local Trouble and I already showed how easy it is to work around that. Alien3 doesn't reference the Derelict because it doesn't need to, and the CMTM directly addresses this - WY sent two missions at roughly the same time, one to Fury 161 and one to the Derelict.
I believe the AR novel conclusively says the Derelict was completely destroyed, which makes the most sense given how the later films play out.
Speaking of which, I am currently perusing the core rulebook and there is mention of a new scientific space station built to overlook LV-426 to examine any recovered remains of the Alien from the blast site and that also the derelict may have survived by falling down a crevasse. My memory of the old EU is very hazy so is this a reference to something there, or perhaps a nod to Blomkamp's idea as that looked to take place on a station of some kind with a recovered juggernaut.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 26, 2019, 02:10:51 PM
And... ?
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 01:50:44 PM
Ann Crispin mentions that there was a 19 mega hectare crater on LV-426 in the Resurrection novelisation. Nebraska is 20 mega hectares in size.
Good guess by Bishop.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 27, 2019, 12:11:58 AM
I guess that just raises the question of whether or not the novelization was duly ratified...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 27, 2019, 12:11:58 AMThat just means Bishop's 40-megaton estimate is trash, as you'd need something much, much bigger than that to wipe out Nebraska.Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 26, 2019, 02:10:51 PM
And... ?
Allow me.Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2018, 01:50:44 PM
Ann Crispin mentions that there was a 19 mega hectare crater on LV-426 in the Resurrection novelisation. Nebraska is 20 mega hectares in size.
Good guess by Bishop.
I guess that just raises the question of whether or not the novelization was duly ratified...
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 27, 2019, 12:21:00 AMAll movie novelizations have their discrepancies, it's the nature of how they're written and how it relates to the moviemaking process. The novelization for 'Predator' is radically different from the final movie, because it's based on an early version of the script. When ADF was writing 'Aliens, he didn't know what the Alien would even look like and had to work around that.
Since the first three novels directly contradict the films, I'd say only the Resurrection one is potentially viable, as part of the cinematic continuity.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Dec 27, 2019, 12:19:03 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Dec 27, 2019, 12:11:58 AM
I guess that just raises the question of whether or not the novelization was duly ratified...
I have no horse in this race, but yeah, if the novels are to be taken as gospel then the Space Jockey doesn't exist, either.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 27, 2019, 12:44:37 AMThat just means Bishop's 40-megaton estimate is trash, as you'd need something much, much bigger than that to wipe out Nebraska.:o
I'd chalk the novelization's number up to Crispin not understanding what hyperbole is and misinterpreting Bishop's line.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 27, 2019, 12:44:37 AMAll movie novelizations have their discrepancies, it's the nature of how they're written and how it relates to the moviemaking process. The novelization for 'Predator' is radically different from the final movie, because it's based on an early version of the script. When ADF was writing 'Aliens, he didn't know what the Alien would even look like and had to work around that.
I think trying to consider things as part of specifically "the cinematic continuity" is more complicated than it seems on the surface.
I mean sure you can cherry pick which novelizations you want to accept, that's a given. I personally accept all of them (discrepancies and all).
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 27, 2019, 06:44:06 AM
Certain elements are, and others might not be, it's "fuzzy" and I choose what details to accept for any number of ever-changing, ill-defined reasons.
Personal canon/headcanon doesn't need to be internally consistent, it's what *you* believe and makes you happy. :)
Internal consistency is something you'd expect from a broader "official canon" that you're expecting everyone to follow - and is a big reason of why it's a meaningless non-concept, and the AR novelization is a good example of why.
Even SM conceded that the novelizations should get cherry-picked as to what elements are "true" based on one's personal thresholds for "contradictions" (the very definition of headcanon) and he cites the AR novelization's crater size as clear proof that the Derelict is gone, going to far as to compare its number to the Nebraska example Bishop gives in 'Aliens'. However that crater size doesn't actually line up with the 40 megaton number that Bishop actually says.
Not to mention that he says novelizations shouldn't be taken as "gospel" (because if you do, then the Space Jockey doesn't exist :P ) but in the same breath he chooses to take the AR novelization as gospel.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 28, 2019, 01:13:33 AM
Nah, believe what makes you happy and don't be bothered if no one else does, but also don't let others tell you what to believe. :)
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 28, 2019, 01:32:07 AMEMBRACE THE RUINOUS POWERSQuote from: Xenomrph on Dec 28, 2019, 01:13:33 AM
Nah, believe what makes you happy and don't be bothered if no one else does, but also don't let others tell you what to believe. :)
But that sounds like chaos!
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 28, 2019, 01:13:33 AM
Nah, believe what makes you happy and don't be bothered if no one else does, but also don't let others tell you what to believe. :)
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 28, 2019, 11:11:30 PMMadness?
This is blasphemy! This is madness! :o
Quote from: Kailem on Jan 09, 2020, 08:12:50 AM
Given how deep it sounds like the lore rabbit hole goes with this, are there any mentions of places like Vega 4/New Shanghai, San Drad, Ryushi, Bunda or any other locations related to the AVP side of the Alien EU?
Quote from: SM on Jan 09, 2020, 10:05:31 AMThe RPG references Odobenus Station, which is from AvPClassic.Quote from: Kailem on Jan 09, 2020, 08:12:50 AM
Given how deep it sounds like the lore rabbit hole goes with this, are there any mentions of places like Vega 4/New Shanghai, San Drad, Ryushi, Bunda or any other locations related to the AVP side of the Alien EU?
No. The license was Alien/ Prometheus only and the bible that was used as one of the sources didn't contain any AvP locations.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2020, 04:29:41 AMQuote from: SM on Jan 09, 2020, 10:05:31 AMThe RPG references Odobenus Station, which is from AvPClassic.Quote from: Kailem on Jan 09, 2020, 08:12:50 AM
Given how deep it sounds like the lore rabbit hole goes with this, are there any mentions of places like Vega 4/New Shanghai, San Drad, Ryushi, Bunda or any other locations related to the AVP side of the Alien EU?
No. The license was Alien/ Prometheus only and the bible that was used as one of the sources didn't contain any AvP locations.
Quote from: Kailem on Jan 11, 2020, 11:09:24 AMThat's the only one I caught, there might be others that are just mega-obscure.
Thanks for the responses. I figured there probably wouldn't be any locations from AVP due to licensing but figured I'd ask anyway.
That' interesting about there being one from AVP Classic though. Wonder if they were just able to slip that in without anyone noticing?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 31, 2020, 07:02:46 AM
It's like the blood orgy scene from Event Horizon.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 02, 2020, 11:59:44 PMThe new map? Nope.
Does it still have an actual planet named Weyland-Yutani?
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 24, 2019, 10:44:21 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Nov 24, 2019, 10:42:24 PM
Will you have space on the bookshelf for this?
It'll take some rearranging, but I'll make it happen.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Feb 07, 2020, 01:08:36 PM
Just got the word back, according to Andrew E. C. Gaska, Alien The RPG is part of continuity and canon.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2020, 09:01:54 PMHey man Randy Pitchford said his videogame was canon so it must be true.Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Feb 07, 2020, 01:08:36 PM
Just got the word back, according to Andrew E. C. Gaska, Alien The RPG is part of continuity and canon.
Does he represent Fox?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2020, 09:24:24 PMFI doesn't like that it's a verdant and biologically-plentiful cornucopia of black goo mutated creatures in the wake of 'Prometheus'.
What's questionable about LV-223 now?
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 07, 2020, 09:31:45 PMIt already exists, and it is me.
What would be the canon to end all canons? I mean something so perfect that would make hyper-critical people stop and stare in awe and amazement. :laugh:
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Feb 07, 2020, 09:58:12 PMSo he was the one saying LV-223's status was "questionable"? Did he elaborate on that?
It's really nothing to do with my likes and dislikes, because it's not my statement, I'm just the messenger.
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Wow, excellent to see!Spoiler
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They should get Lance Henriksen to do it while he's still around.
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Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 17, 2020, 08:19:08 PMthat's cool! the Perry trilogy was my first entry into the EU and I never saw Rim mentioned anywhere else- ever! I mean, I now realise that was probably because it was a retcon job so not a world they created as such
Today I learned that the map on the inside cover of the core rulebook is a watered down version of the map that comes in the map pack, and the full map has more EU references. Off the top of my head I spotted Rim (the planet from the Perry trilogy of novels that Billie is from)
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Using RollD20 and grabbing some atmospheric music and sound effects going really helps.
I've uploaded the maps and tokens to the game and the character sheet system and dice rolling that's available in rollD20 perfectly replicates the dice system in game.
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Quote from: Clockwork on Apr 26, 2020, 06:50:55 PM
There's so many ways to play online, for those without local roleplaying victims.. er... friends. My group uses a combination of Discord and Zoom. But by no means is that everything (Though Discord does have dice rolling bots, and the Alien RPG one is AMAZING).
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 20, 2020, 08:32:26 AM
I've not watched it yet but here's some footage of a session we did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdZZbnSwTHU
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2020, 09:18:15 AM
No, that should be enough. Though I love the themed dice.
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 27, 2020, 02:03:20 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 20, 2020, 08:32:26 AM
I've not watched it yet but here's some footage of a session we did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdZZbnSwTHU
Just watched this. My verdict: I want more !
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 28, 2020, 02:38:19 PMGlad you enjoyed it! Certainly endeavouring to do more!
Quote from: j0nesy on May 06, 2020, 04:50:21 AMTheres a discord for this? :O
update: played hope's last day at the weekend, it was so much fun. everyone escaped hadley's hope, minus a single facehugged soul
i recommend the alien rpg discord to those looking to get involved!
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on May 15, 2020, 12:35:42 PM
No, the maps are schematics much like you see in the films. But you could map out key areas yourself based on them, for minis play.
Quote from: j0nesy on May 21, 2020, 11:21:09 PM
just finished the first act of chariot of the gods, gmed by clara; highlights being shevvie's junkie method acting, and hicks's company agent jumping in a disease riddled medpod to recover from being stabbed in the eye
Quote from: j0nesy on May 21, 2020, 11:21:09 PM
just finished the first act of chariot of the gods, gmed by clara; highlights being shevvie's junkie method acting, and hicks's company agent jumping in a disease riddled medpod to recover from being stabbed in the eye
Quote from: muthur9000 on May 22, 2020, 04:38:49 AM
So glad you had fun. I hope you will enjoy the future torture I will put you through in act II
Here's the footage https://yutani.studio/2020/05/22/lets-play-chariots-of-the-gods-act-i-with-avp-galaxy-studio-yutani/
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 22, 2020, 06:40:56 AM
In my defence, I did someone cure it with that ridiculous roll, before my dice abandoned me for the rest of the game! Thanks for running the session Clara, hope you enjoyed it yourself! Also a pleasure to e-meet you j0nesy! Has anyone ever told you that you remind them of Stephen Amell?
Quote from: j0nesy on May 28, 2020, 11:11:10 PM
act II is well underway, and we're left with a mini cliffhanger with reid and wilson having just about taken down an abomination
Quote from: j0nesy on Jun 05, 2020, 03:55:10 PM
:laugh: don't feel bad, it was a lot of fun watching it go down!
now all we have to do is wait and see if ridgetop's next character has an equal obsession with visiting the corporate suite
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 04, 2020, 10:09:13 AM
Get those votes in players! It deserves it IMHO.
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Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 05, 2020, 10:22:08 PM
me too! it should have been nominated for best interior art too, imo
Quote from: Kailem on Jul 07, 2020, 11:20:07 AM
I've got to admit, despite the high likelihood of hardly ever being able to actually play it, that starter set that's due out next month is looking increasingly tempting.
QuoteI assume most of you who bought the core rule book got it from Free League's website? If so, what are their shipping rates like (specifically to the UK)? I saw it mentioned in here that they're pretty expensive, but it doesn't seem like they've got their prices listed anywhere that I can see.
QuoteAlso, do you need to have an account on DriveThruRPG to get the PDFs? I see it's mentioned on a few items that they're sent via them, so is that something you'd need to log in there to have access to or do they just provide links to that site that you can download them from?
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 11, 2020, 12:07:56 AM
sm:
did you just proofread the lore/story, or have you played it too?
Quote from: Kailem on Jul 11, 2020, 04:58:07 PM
Well I took the plunge and ordered/pre-ordered the core rules, starter set and Destroyer of Worlds! Got the PDFs a few minutes ago and I'm about to delve right into the rules and take a look at the stuff I can look at without being spoiled.
Excited to hopefully play some games with you folks in the near future! ;D
Quote from: SM on Jul 11, 2020, 11:09:50 PM
The former.
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 12, 2020, 12:09:58 AMQuote from: Kailem on Jul 11, 2020, 04:58:07 PM
Well I took the plunge and ordered/pre-ordered the core rules, starter set and Destroyer of Worlds! Got the PDFs a few minutes ago and I'm about to delve right into the rules and take a look at the stuff I can look at without being spoiled.
Excited to hopefully play some games with you folks in the near future! ;D
to avoid spoilers, i'd probably only read the rules and at most, the character sheets for DoW. i'll be waiting until after my first playthrough (hopefully week after next, depending on shevvie/hicks schedule) until i read throw the lore stuff
i cannot recommend buying the original core rulebook enough though, the lore content and gorgeous artwork is so worth the moneyQuote from: SM on Jul 11, 2020, 11:09:50 PM
The former.
once i've read through it, wouldn't mind hearing what you found silly. did you convey these thoughts to free league/gaska? :P
QuoteFree League Publishing today announced that Destroyer of Worlds, the next Cinematic scenario module for the ALIEN RPG, will be officially released on September 8. Destroyer of Worlds, written by sci-fi author Andrew E.C. Gaska, will be launched alongside a new Starter Set for the game.
Destroyer of Worlds lets players take the role of an iconic type of character from the ALIEN universe: the Colonial Marine. A team of Colonial Marines get dropped onto the moon Ariaricus to handle a growing insurgency, but soon find themselves fighting for their lives against enemies beyond their worst nightmares. Priced at $29.99, the Destroyer of Worlds Cinematic scenario comes in a boxed set, including maps, handouts, and cards for a fully immersive tabletop experience.
The ALIEN RPG Starter Set is designed to be the perfect entry point into the game and the ALIEN universe. Affordably priced at $49.99, it contains everything needed to start playing, including an abridged 104-page softcover quickstart of the core rules, 20 custom dice, reference cards, character handouts, a huge starmap, and the complete Cinematic scenario Chariot of the Gods, also penned by Gaska.
For more information about Destroyer of Worlds and the ALIEN RPG Starter Set, go to alien-rpg.com. Both items are available for pre-order on the website.
Quote from: SM on Jul 12, 2020, 09:45:33 PM
I mentioned them to Free League (though I didn't use the term silly), but I saw a proof of the book, so it may have been too late to make changes.
Thank you to everyone who played, enjoyed, and voted for the ALIEN RPG! We are honored and humbled by your support. https://t.co/iDzNLbDt9S
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QuoteIf anyone missed my acceptance speech for the GENCON ENnies award--ALIEN RPG for GOLD BEST GAME 2020, here it is cued up at 1:39:39. 2/3s through my clip you might think my speech is over, but just hold on and bare witness (misspelling intentional) to the consequences of accepting an award from home during a pandemic.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 04, 2020, 08:31:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kaqp0jAg6sM&feature=youtu.be&t=5979&fbclid=IwAR2P838oMuK9EzowxQ7JpfJHcocp0vJYGFKpyNWYkqD0JI47y2axyB7pEwgQuoteIf anyone missed my acceptance speech for the GENCON ENnies award--ALIEN RPG for GOLD BEST GAME 2020, here it is cued up at 1:39:39. 2/3s through my clip you might think my speech is over, but just hold on and bare witness (misspelling intentional) to the consequences of accepting an award from home during a pandemic.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 17, 2020, 10:37:45 PM
WhErEiSpOdCaStReViEwCoRpOrAl? >:( ??? :-\
Quote from: j0nesy on Aug 18, 2020, 01:07:36 AM
soon ;)
QuoteThis is just a quick update on Destroyer of Worlds and the new Starter Set. Finally, the shipments to both the USA and the UK have arrived to shore, and should be in the warehouses within days. Shipping out to everyone who has pre-ordered these items will follow as quickly as the staff can manage. Sorry to keep you waiting – we sure hope and think you'll find them worth the wait!
The official release date for both items is this coming Tuesday September 8, but rest assured we will ship out to pre-orders before anyone else. And you still have time to pre-order in our webshop! Complete PDFs go out to you within a few days after purchase.
QuoteThe Destroyer of Worlds cinematic adventure module and a new Starter Set for the multiple award-winning ALIEN tabletop toleplaying game were released today by Free League Publishing.
Having just won a Gold ENNIE Award for Best Game and a People's Choice Award for Best RPG at the UK Games Expo, the official ALIEN RPG today got its first two expansions to the line. Both modules are as of now available in the Free League webshop, in digital format at DrivethruRPG, and soon in hobby stores everywhere.
Destroyer of Worlds, written by critically acclaimed sci-fi author Andrew E.C. Gaska, lets players take the role of an iconic type of character from the ALIEN universe: the Colonial Marine. A team of Colonial Marines get dropped onto the moon Ariaricus to handle a growing insurgency, but soon find themselves fighting for their lives against enemies beyond their worst nightmares. Priced at $29.99, the ALIEN Destroyer of Worlds Cinematic scenario comes in a boxed set, including maps, handouts, and cards for a fully immersive tabletop experience.
The ALIEN RPG Starter Set is designed to be the perfect entry point into the game and the ALIEN universe. Affordably priced at $49.99, it contains everything needed to start playing, including an abridged 104-page softcover quickstart of the core rules, 20 custom dice, reference cards, character handouts, a huge starmap, and the complete Cinematic scenario Chariot of the Gods, also penned by Gaska.
Quote from: Kailem on Sep 08, 2020, 02:44:15 PM
I need to finish reading the full core rules pdf and then I guess eventually I'll need to find some space for these things to go when they arrive! :laugh:
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 09, 2020, 07:42:24 AMQuote from: Kailem on Sep 08, 2020, 02:44:15 PM
I need to finish reading the full core rules pdf and then I guess eventually I'll need to find some space for these things to go when they arrive! :laugh:
Right there next to the rest of your Alien and Predator goodies!
Quote from: The Cruentus on Sep 12, 2020, 03:40:02 PMThe Alien RPG is canon, but I assume Gaska will confirm that himself if asked in an interview.
The question I have is a bit unoriginal and probably already been asked but I would ask is the Alien RPG canon, because there are apparently elements in there that will contradict some information on our wiki. So would definitely like to know if it is canon or not and which elements are just for game mechanics and ones that are full on lore.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2020, 04:29:41 AMQuote from: SM on Jan 09, 2020, 10:05:31 AMThe RPG references Odobenus Station, which is from AvPClassic.Quote from: Kailem on Jan 09, 2020, 08:12:50 AM
Given how deep it sounds like the lore rabbit hole goes with this, are there any mentions of places like Vega 4/New Shanghai, San Drad, Ryushi, Bunda or any other locations related to the AVP side of the Alien EU?
No. The license was Alien/ Prometheus only and the bible that was used as one of the sources didn't contain any AvP locations.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Sep 12, 2020, 03:40:02 PM
The question I have is a bit unoriginal and probably already been asked but I would ask is the Alien RPG canon, because there are apparently elements in there that will contradict some information on our wiki. So would definitely like to know if it is canon or not and which elements are just for game mechanics and ones that are full on lore.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 22, 2020, 11:50:21 AMQuote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2020, 04:29:41 AMQuote from: SM on Jan 09, 2020, 10:05:31 AMThe RPG references Odobenus Station, which is from AvPClassic.Quote from: Kailem on Jan 09, 2020, 08:12:50 AM
Given how deep it sounds like the lore rabbit hole goes with this, are there any mentions of places like Vega 4/New Shanghai, San Drad, Ryushi, Bunda or any other locations related to the AVP side of the Alien EU?
No. The license was Alien/ Prometheus only and the bible that was used as one of the sources didn't contain any AvP locations.
Necro-quoting. That was a mistake. There's only a single reference to Odobenus. The other mention of a station in orbit is given a different name. Not sure if that was fixed in later printings?
QuoteHello! This is the official newsletter for the ALIEN tabletop RPG by Free League Publishing and 20th Century Studios.
As of today, you and your crew can explore the ALIEN universe through virtual tabletop gaming! The ALIEN RPG has now been launched on two VTT platforms: Roll20 and Fantasy Grounds.
At Roll20, you can find a virtual tabletop version of the Alien RPG Starter Set, including all the rules you need to play and the full-length cinematic scenario Chariot of the Gods, written by scifi author Andrew E.C. Gaska. On the platform you can also find the Destroyer of Worlds scenario, a sequel to Chariot of the Gods also written by Gaska and requiring only the Starter Set to play.
On Fantasy Grounds, you can find the ALIEN RPG core rulebook, a full conversion of the hardcover book of a massive 392 pages, as well as the Chariot of the Gods and Destroyer of Worlds scenarios.
All modules are fully integrated with the VTT platforms, with online maps and diagrams, player handouts ready to share, online character sheets, customized virtual dice roller, and more.
QuoteLock & Load Your Pulse Rifle! The COLONIAL MARINES OPERATIONS MANUAL for the multiple award-winning official ALIEN RPG is now available for PRE-ORDER at https://alien-rpg.com/
The book will be released early next year. If you pre-order the book now, you will get a full PDF of the book ahead of the official release, and a bonus PDF art book! The lavishly illustrated hardback book of 200+ pages will provide all the tools you need to run a full open-world campaign as the iconic Colonial Marines:
*History & Organization – the inside story of the illustrious Colonial Marine Corps.
*Creating Marines – expanded character creation rules for grunts of all kinds.
*Weapons & Vehicles – an extensive chapter with new gear, gloriously illustrated.
*The Frontier War – the framework and backstory for a Colonial Marines campaign.
*Factions on the Frontier – the powers that be and their dark agendas.
Marine Missions – six thrilling missions for your Marines, playable in any order.
*The Endgame – the showdown against a deadly enemy, finally revealed.
Armor piercing rounds sizzle through your defenses. Acrid smoke chokes you. Chemical attacks melt your armor, while bioweapons turn your insides out. It's a living hell—but none of that's as bad as the flashes of gnashing metal teeth that terrorize you every time you try to close your eyes. Welcome to war on the razor edge of space, marine.
QuoteTHIS IS A PRE-ORDER. If you include the book in your order, the entire order will be shipped to you in March, 2021. You will get a complete PDF of the book prior to shipping. As a further pre-order bonus, you get at PDF art book collecting stunning high-res art pieces made by Martin Grip, Gustaf Ekelund and Jarek Kubicki. Perfect to have on a device at the gaming table, to set the mood of the gaming session!
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 06, 2021, 05:40:31 AM
Finished up a run of Chariot of the Gods that had been going on for a good few months now. Had a ton of fun. I was Wilson in that one.
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 06, 2021, 06:30:19 AMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 06, 2021, 05:40:31 AM
Finished up a run of Chariot of the Gods that had been going on for a good few months now. Had a ton of fun. I was Wilson in that one.
:o
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 07, 2021, 02:59:27 AM
What's destroyer of worlds?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2021, 08:46:22 PM
I want UPP Spetsnaz with sky-blue berets and AK-style pulse rifles.
Quote from: Kailem on Feb 07, 2021, 03:25:31 PM
Yeah Destroyer is awesome. We played it last year over a period of several weeks and had a ton of fun. It's essentially the second part of a trilogy that began with Chariot, though you don't have to have played that first in order to understand it as Destroyer features completely new characters in a different setting (there are just some story points that call back to Chariot that you'll recognise if you played that first).
As people have said, the characters are all Colonial Marines stationed on a colony base who are tasked with finding some awol fugitives on the eve of an invasion. It's a lot longer than Chariot and is very much an "Aliens"-inspired adventure as opposed to the "Alien" influence of that one. So lots more action, lots more big guns, lots more creatures, and a lot of really cool twists that led to a lot of great "ohhhhhh ****!" moments.
It's really fun and definitely worth playing if you liked Chariot or the rpg in general (especially if you've been itching for more smart guns and apc's to play with). Just make sure you set aside plenty of time to get through it, as it's probably about twice as long as Chariot is, with each act feeling like a mini adventure on its own.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2021, 08:46:22 PM
I want UPP Spetsnaz with sky-blue berets and AK-style pulse rifles.
Quote from: SM on Feb 08, 2021, 12:02:43 AMQuote from: Kailem on Feb 07, 2021, 03:25:31 PM
Yeah Destroyer is awesome. We played it last year over a period of several weeks and had a ton of fun. It's essentially the second part of a trilogy that began with Chariot, though you don't have to have played that first in order to understand it as Destroyer features completely new characters in a different setting (there are just some story points that call back to Chariot that you'll recognise if you played that first).
As people have said, the characters are all Colonial Marines stationed on a colony base who are tasked with finding some awol fugitives on the eve of an invasion. It's a lot longer than Chariot and is very much an "Aliens"-inspired adventure as opposed to the "Alien" influence of that one. So lots more action, lots more big guns, lots more creatures, and a lot of really cool twists that led to a lot of great "ohhhhhh ****!" moments.
It's really fun and definitely worth playing if you liked Chariot or the rpg in general (especially if you've been itching for more smart guns and apc's to play with). Just make sure you set aside plenty of time to get through it, as it's probably about twice as long as Chariot is, with each act feeling like a mini adventure on its own.
Does it still have that dodgy quote from the Mahabharata?
QuoteWork on the Colonial Marines Operations Manual for the ALIEN RPG is progressing at a good pace. Layout is well underway and the final touches are now being made to art and text. Check out the sample art and spreads below!
Still, due to some unforeseen circumstances – and the fact that this is turning into a beast of a book – we have sadly come to the conclusion that we will not be able to release it in March as planned. The new plan is to officially release the book on ALIEN Day, April 26. We do apologize for this delay.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 04, 2021, 03:25:40 PM
Like the upcoming Marvel Series... that's got Runners, Drones, Praetomorphs, and more stuff from the Prequels?
Yeah... right.
Quote from: Kailem on Apr 02, 2021, 02:14:50 PMThat's bizarre, when I tried to order from their site they said the shipping price was like half again the cost of the book, that doesn't make sense if they're shipping from within the US.
I'm sure it will, it just won't have the artbook you get for pre-ordering or the pdf version (unless Amazon also sells pdf versions of these? Either way I doubt it'll be a physical + digital joint-purchase kinda thing).
I can't remember how much the shipping costs are to the UK, but that sucks if you have to pay extra given that they mentioned in their latest update stream that their warehouses are situated in the UK and the US.
QuoteHello! This is the official newsletter for the ALIEN tabletop RPG by Free League Publishing and 20th Century Studios.
It's high time for another update about the Colonial Marines Operations Manual. First, the good news: the 352-page book is 99% done, ready to invite you into the glorious world of the USCMC. The not so good news is that the final 1% of the process has taken longer than we anticipated. For this we are sorry.
This means we will not be able to release the book on April 26 as we had hoped, not even in its digital form. We do hope however to reach the end of the process very soon, perhaps even in a matter of days, and the moment we do, we will send the full PDF out to everyone who has pre-ordered the book. At that point, we will also send the book to print immediately – our printer is standing by, ready to go – and ship it out to everyone who pre-ordered, before the the book will be released to retail stores.
We will not set a new release date at this time, as we certainly hope and believe that we won't need to keep you waiting much longer. In the interim, please enjoy a few finished spreads from the book below to give you an idea of what's soon to come your way.
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 25, 2021, 05:18:38 PM
Kremlin lol :D
Quote from: Kailem on Apr 25, 2021, 04:46:57 PM
(https://mcusercontent.com/2dcfb24fb7c8d0fb9c2f52040/images/1dbd2eb7-eb8b-421f-8869-4d902545d81e.jpg)
Quote from: Kailem on Apr 26, 2021, 10:13:10 PMThe Evac Fighter got a name-drop in the core rulebook, too.
From the looks of it I'd say that's their rendition of the Kenner Evac Fighter. Andrew Gaska mentioned in an interview a few months back that they were going to be including it along with a couple of other Kenner vehicles, like the Hovertread and Stinger XT-37. Didn't expect them to be flying in space though, but then I never had one, so I don't know if that's consistent with whatever lore they came with (if any).
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 26, 2021, 07:07:43 PM
Seeing fighters like this in the Alien universe is very odd; gives me more of a Battlestar Galactica impression, to be honest.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 27, 2021, 02:45:18 PM
Is that fighter supposed to be USCM or UPP?
Quote from: Kailem on Apr 26, 2021, 10:13:10 PMI asked Andrew Gaska and yes it's supposed to be the Evac Fighter.
From the looks of it I'd say that's their rendition of the Kenner Evac Fighter. Andrew Gaska mentioned in an interview a few months back that they were going to be including it along with a couple of other Kenner vehicles, like the Hovertread and Stinger XT-37. Didn't expect them to be flying in space though, but then I never had one, so I don't know if that's consistent with whatever lore they came with (if any).
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 27, 2021, 03:51:35 PMI've never seen that before, do you have a screenshot of where it is in the movie?Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 26, 2021, 07:07:43 PM
Seeing fighters like this in the Alien universe is very odd; gives me more of a Battlestar Galactica impression, to be honest.
Agreed, but to be fair, Aliens had this fighter-like ship at Gateway station. I think it was supposed to be a service shuttle or something but it is clearly heavily armed:
(https://alienseries.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/sciencemuseum-003.jpg)
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 27, 2021, 08:14:58 PM
Tell him the UPP fighter better look like a Hind or a MiG.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 27, 2021, 08:15:22 PM
I've never seen that before
Quote from: Kailem on Apr 27, 2021, 09:06:42 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Apr 27, 2021, 08:14:58 PM
Tell him the UPP fighter better look like a Hind or a MiG.
Given that the Aliens dropship was partially designed to resemble a Huey I always thought that any UPP dropship should have elements of a Hind.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 27, 2021, 03:51:35 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 26, 2021, 07:07:43 PM
Seeing fighters like this in the Alien universe is very odd; gives me more of a Battlestar Galactica impression, to be honest.
Agreed, but to be fair, Aliens had this fighter-like ship at Gateway station. I think it was supposed to be a service shuttle or something but it is clearly heavily armed:
(https://alienseries.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/sciencemuseum-003.jpg)
Quote from: SM on Apr 28, 2021, 04:04:57 AM
"clearly heavily armed"...?
QuoteConsidering the ship mounted guns we've seen don't look like that, "clearly heavily armed" seemed to be a bit of a stretch.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 11, 2021, 10:46:30 PM
I got my PDF, been skimming it. Spotted a neat easter egg on pages 200 and 203.Spoiler
It's my name, "Dellamarggio". Brazen and incompetent indeed. :D[close]
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 12, 2021, 04:54:12 AMI warned you (twice!).Quote from: Xenomrph on May 11, 2021, 10:46:30 PM
I got my PDF, been skimming it. Spotted a neat easter egg on pages 200 and 203.Spoiler
It's my name, "Dellamarggio". Brazen and incompetent indeed. :D[close]
Does that mean you're canon now?
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 03, 2019, 06:17:17 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on May 02, 2019, 08:03:14 AMI am canon.
(https://i.imgur.com/WCFBYRg.jpg)
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 14, 2020, 07:17:57 AM
I AM CANON
Quote from: Kradan on May 12, 2021, 08:39:50 AMAs they take in feedback to fix faults and typos etc Im sure SM already made sure thats gone for the real book release ;)
I wonder what SM would say about that
Quote from: judge death on May 12, 2021, 10:36:36 AMYeah but they spelled my name right both times ;)Quote from: Kradan on May 12, 2021, 08:39:50 AMAs they take in feedback to fix faults and typos etc Im sure SM already made sure thats gone for the real book release ;)
I wonder what SM would say about that
Quote from: Kradan on May 12, 2021, 08:39:50 AMI know what the author of the book says about it. :p
I wonder what SM would say about that
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 12, 2021, 08:52:40 AMI've only skimmed it at this point but the old EU references are wall to wall. Off the top of my head (I'll put it in spoilers so other people can discover them)
Anything particularly interesting in this one?
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 12, 2021, 06:08:19 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on May 12, 2021, 04:54:12 AMQuote from: Xenomrph on May 11, 2021, 10:46:30 PM
I got my PDF, been skimming it. Spotted a neat easter egg on pages 200 and 203.Spoiler
It's my name, "Dellamarggio". Brazen and incompetent indeed. :D[close]
Does that mean you're canon now?
I warned you (twice!).Quote from: Xenomrph on May 03, 2019, 06:17:17 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on May 02, 2019, 08:03:14 AMI am canon.
(https://i.imgur.com/WCFBYRg.jpg)Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 14, 2020, 07:17:57 AM
I AM CANON
Quote from: SM on May 15, 2021, 10:22:27 AM*Lee
Had a bit of a read. Idiocy about WY co-financing the USCM on the first page. And doesn't seem to have any acknowledgement to Leigh Brimmicombe Wood whatsoever.
Quote from: SM on May 15, 2021, 10:22:27 AM
Idiocy about WY co-financing the USCM on the first page.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 15, 2021, 11:19:59 PM
Was that not the case in some other things? I'm sure I remember a story where WY had to effectively bail out the military and them ending up as glorified PMCs?
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 16, 2021, 02:40:14 AMIf the material is set in the future from 'Aliens', "times change" is a pretty valid explanation for things changing. Using "the year 2010" as "source material", the current US political climate seems pretty outlandish and unrealistic, and yet here we are.
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 16, 2021, 02:49:51 AMNo one said anything about *liking* the changes. I'm not particularly thrilled with the idea either, although I can understand it and I'm ultimately okay with it. The point is that "the source material" isn't entirely relevant when the story is set chronologically after it. People are going to have different thresholds of what changes are "too much" (such as people who don't like 'Aliens' when compared to the first movie - one could argue that the military action movie romp seen in the second movie is lazy, creatively dull, and has no basis in 'Alien'), but citing "the source material" as if it's some objective truth that can't be interpreted in different ways is pretty lazy and creatively bankrupt.Quote from: Xenomrph on May 16, 2021, 02:40:14 AMIf the material is set in the future from 'Aliens', "times change" is a pretty valid explanation for things changing. Using "the year 2010" as "source material", the current US political climate seems pretty outlandish and unrealistic, and yet here we are.
So anything goes? Like turning the Alien into the creation of some crazy android, say?
Quote from: SM on May 16, 2021, 02:17:21 AMQuote from: [cancerblack] on May 15, 2021, 11:19:59 PM
Was that not the case in some other things? I'm sure I remember a story where WY had to effectively bail out the military and them ending up as glorified PMCs?
It was the case in The Rage War books (set in the 27th century).
This, along with WY financing the ICC, is lazy, creatively dull, and has no basis in the source material.
Certain individuals trying to exert influence over the USCM via unofficial means is more interesting and fits with the existing material.
Especially since there were a couple of stories in the works featuring Olivia Shipp that would've explored the USCM and WY being too cozy and how she was instrumental in that changing and making the USCM more independent. Which I think it alluded to in the first issue of the new comics.
Quote from: Kradan on May 16, 2021, 05:40:36 PMThis guy gets it.
it doesn't really affect anything established before
Quote from: Kradan on May 16, 2021, 05:40:36 PMQuote from: SM on May 16, 2021, 02:17:21 AMQuote from: [cancerblack] on May 15, 2021, 11:19:59 PM
Was that not the case in some other things? I'm sure I remember a story where WY had to effectively bail out the military and them ending up as glorified PMCs?
It was the case in The Rage War books (set in the 27th century).
This, along with WY financing the ICC, is lazy, creatively dull, and has no basis in the source material.
Certain individuals trying to exert influence over the USCM via unofficial means is more interesting and fits with the existing material.
Especially since there were a couple of stories in the works featuring Olivia Shipp that would've explored the USCM and WY being too cozy and how she was instrumental in that changing and making the USCM more independent. Which I think it alluded to in the first issue of the new comics.
I'm OK with WY controlling USCM in Rage War trilogy 'cause it's set so far in the future from original 4 movies that it doesn't really affect anything established before
Quote from: SM on May 17, 2021, 02:52:36 AMOkay, I'll bite.Quote from: Kradan on May 16, 2021, 05:40:36 PMQuote from: SM on May 16, 2021, 02:17:21 AMQuote from: [cancerblack] on May 15, 2021, 11:19:59 PM
Was that not the case in some other things? I'm sure I remember a story where WY had to effectively bail out the military and them ending up as glorified PMCs?
It was the case in The Rage War books (set in the 27th century).
This, along with WY financing the ICC, is lazy, creatively dull, and has no basis in the source material.
Certain individuals trying to exert influence over the USCM via unofficial means is more interesting and fits with the existing material.
Especially since there were a couple of stories in the works featuring Olivia Shipp that would've explored the USCM and WY being too cozy and how she was instrumental in that changing and making the USCM more independent. Which I think it alluded to in the first issue of the new comics.
I'm OK with WY controlling USCM in Rage War trilogy 'cause it's set so far in the future from original 4 movies that it doesn't really affect anything established before
I don't have a problem with it either that far in the future. It's when they try to crowbar this shit in where it doesn't belong AND is really unnecessary. There is no reason for this rubbish to be in there.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 17, 2021, 03:44:20 AMQuote from: SM on May 17, 2021, 02:52:36 AMI don't have a problem with it either that far in the future. It's when they try to crowbar this shit in where it doesn't belong AND is really unnecessary. There is no reason for this rubbish to be in there.
Okay, I'll bite.
Why doesn't it belong, and why is it unnecessary?
Like I'm not a huge fan of the idea of WY running the universe although I see it as an easy conclusion to reach given the trajectory of the first three movies, and corporate overreach is an important through line in the first three movies. I don't think "co-financing the military" is outside the realm of possibility given how fast Burke is able to procure an entire warship and a military officer he can conveniently railroad, especially with Burke being essentially a lone actor. It doesn't mean they own the military, just that they're able to exert influence sometimes.
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 17, 2021, 05:25:47 AMI'd have to check if the novelization says anything, but the movie certainly leaves it open to interpretation.Quote from: Xenomrph on May 17, 2021, 03:44:20 AMQuote from: SM on May 17, 2021, 02:52:36 AMI don't have a problem with it either that far in the future. It's when they try to crowbar this shit in where it doesn't belong AND is really unnecessary. There is no reason for this rubbish to be in there.
Okay, I'll bite.
Why doesn't it belong, and why is it unnecessary?
Like I'm not a huge fan of the idea of WY running the universe although I see it as an easy conclusion to reach given the trajectory of the first three movies, and corporate overreach is an important through line in the first three movies. I don't think "co-financing the military" is outside the realm of possibility given how fast Burke is able to procure an entire warship and a military officer he can conveniently railroad, especially with Burke being essentially a lone actor. It doesn't mean they own the military, just that they're able to exert influence sometimes.
Was it ever established that Burke procured anything? I always assumed it was simply the USCM's responsibility to investigate something like the loss of contact with a colony whether Weyland-Yutani had a financial stake or not.
Quote from: SM on May 17, 2021, 05:59:57 AMWhere is this "supposed to be" stated?
Quite.
The USCM are supposed to be more tied to the ECA as public service.
QuoteRipley stares at his like he's a particularly
disagreeable fungus.
RIPLEY
You son of a bitch.
BURKE
(hardening)
Don't make me pull rank, Ripley.
RIPLEY
What rank? I believe Corporal Hicks
has authority here.
BURKE
Corporal Hicks!?
RIPLEY
This operation is under military
jurisdiction and Hicks is next in
chain of command. Right?
HICKS
Looks that way.
Burke starts to lose it and it's not a pretty sight.
BURKE
Look, this is a multimillion
dollar operation. He can't make
that kind of decision. He's just
a grunt!
(glances at Hicks)
No offense.
Quote"This operation is under military jurisdiction," she reminded him quietly. "That's the way the Sulaco's dispatch orders read. Maybe you didn't bother to read them. I did. That's the way Colonial Administration worded it. You and I, Burke, we're just observers."
Quotewhy is there a WY rep present on the missionBecause they think it's a routine communication failure and want one of their own to be there.
Quoteand why is that rep specifically Burke,He likely got a ride on the Sulaco due to his relation to Ripley.
QuoteWhy isn't anyone else from Ripley's inquest (or anyone representing those parties) present on the mission, if they all have a stake in the colony?The people at the inquiry did have their own person on the mission -- Bishop.
QuoteWhy is the commanding officer on the mission conveniently someone that Burke can manipulate? I guess if someone more experienced had been assigned, Burke's whole plan would have been hosed?Burke is never shown to manipulate Gorman. Burke only hatches the plan to smuggle Aliens long after the shit hits the fan -- what plan does he have before that, exactly?
QuoteBecause they think it's a routine communication failure and want one of their own to be there.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 17, 2021, 07:05:24 AMI'd think that if Bishop represented a bunch of government agencies that he would frown on bringing potentially hostile organisms through quarantine like Burke asked him to. Whereas if he was USCM property and the USCM can be leveraged by WY...
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 17, 2021, 07:05:24 AMRipley could be his leverage.
If he was, how did he manage to insert specifically himself into the mission without any kind of leverage?
QuoteI don't think the movie establishes Bishop's role within the organization other than that he's part of the Marines.It doesn't really establish him as part of the unit. He's given no rank and doesn't sit with the rest of the Marines.
QuoteI genuinely always thought it was obvious that Gorman's assignment to the mission was intentional and likely Burke's doing, specifically because he could be manipulated if the need arose.Nothing in the film really suggests or supports this. Burke seems as unimpressed by Gorman's inexperience as anyone.
Quote from: SiL on May 17, 2021, 09:50:06 AM
But the film doesn't at all support Burke manipulating or intending to manipulate Gorman. They barely interact in the whole film. Besides which the film actually kind of paints him as a bit hopeless. Slimy, sure, but his tactics amount to going "c'mon, just commit crimes with me, please?" :laugh:
It feels like you're really overselling Burke in the film. There's nothing showing him as some master manipulator.
Quote from: SM on May 17, 2021, 10:37:01 AMAgain, no one said anything about a conspiracy between Gorman and Burke.Quote from: SiL on May 17, 2021, 09:50:06 AM
But the film doesn't at all support Burke manipulating or intending to manipulate Gorman. They barely interact in the whole film. Besides which the film actually kind of paints him as a bit hopeless. Slimy, sure, but his tactics amount to going "c'mon, just commit crimes with me, please?" :laugh:
It feels like you're really overselling Burke in the film. There's nothing showing him as some master manipulator.
Burke's an opportunist. When they interrogated Burke after he let the huggers loose, it was up to Hicks to question Ripley's story. Gorman stood by and said nothing. It would've been in Burke's interest to out Gorman as some sort of co-conspirator if they were threatening to execute him - if only to sow discord.
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 17, 2021, 11:22:31 AMSure, but even Burke didn't know for sure that Ripley wasn't full of shit at that point. He only starts to get confirmation later when the marines enter the colony ("Concentrated acid for blood...").
Yes, but if the matter concerning the xenos was a serious thing for Burke and by proxy, Gorman who was aiding him. Then there should have been more emphasis on making the marines take it seriously. Gorman himself doesn't really know what the problem was in the film. He simply say "A xenomorph may be involved" So there was no certainty.
Quote from: judge death on May 17, 2021, 05:47:00 PMTo be fair, like I mentioned different people have different thresholds for change, or what changes are made.
lol some week after people saying they are fine with canon changing and changing what we knew, now when its shown Weyland yutani cofinanced the colonial marines and ina way owns them and changing it: same people now complain over it xD
Well its canon now no matter what we think about it.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 17, 2021, 11:14:17 AMNeither did SM. He's saying if manipulating Gorman was ever a goal, that would've been a great time to try to throw him under the bus to save himself.
Again, no one said anything about a conspiracy between Gorman and Burke.
Quote from: SiL on May 17, 2021, 08:32:11 PMYes he did, he said it twice.Quote from: Xenomrph on May 17, 2021, 11:14:17 AMNeither did SM.
Again, no one said anything about a conspiracy between Gorman and Burke.
Quote from: SM on May 17, 2021, 07:02:40 AMor having some conspiracy with Gorman.You can't have a conspiracy with someone who doesn't know they're part of the conspiracy.
Quote from: SiL on May 17, 2021, 08:32:11 PMI don't think those need to be mutually exclusive. He created the opportunity to make his job easier by putting Gorman in charge, which would be a sweet ace up his sleeve if he needed it or had the chance to use it.
Burke is not some puppet master pulling the strings behind a veiled curtain. He's a slimy opportunist looking to make a quick buck.
Quote from: judge death on May 17, 2021, 05:47:00 PM
lol some week after people saying they are fine with canon changing and changing what we knew, now when its shown Weyland yutani cofinanced the colonial marines and ina way owns them and changing it: same people now complain over it xD
Well its canon now no matter what we think about it.
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 17, 2021, 11:14:46 AM
Yeah I didn't particularly like that part where it makes Gorman an accessory so to speak. It also doesn't make sense for the rest of the story. If Burke told Gorman about the Aliens, then the marines shouldn't have been as skepitcal as they were in the beginning.
Also SM, you may need to clear your messages. I couldn't send a message to you. :laugh:
Quote from: SM on May 17, 2021, 09:32:22 PMQuote from: judge death on May 17, 2021, 05:47:00 PM
lol some week after people saying they are fine with canon changing and changing what we knew, now when its shown Weyland yutani cofinanced the colonial marines and ina way owns them and changing it: same people now complain over it xD
Well its canon now no matter what we think about it.
What?
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 17, 2021, 09:36:39 PMQuote from: SM on May 17, 2021, 09:32:22 PMQuote from: judge death on May 17, 2021, 05:47:00 PM
lol some week after people saying they are fine with canon changing and changing what we knew, now when its shown Weyland yutani cofinanced the colonial marines and ina way owns them and changing it: same people now complain over it xD
Well its canon now no matter what we think about it.
What?
I believe this was supposed to be a "gotcha"
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 17, 2021, 09:52:12 PMAnd the Colonial Marines videogame if I remember right.
Yeah I think this might have garnered an initial overreaction, it's still a far cry from the endlessly moustache twirling, gyrocopter escaping on depiction we see in Resistance, and Rescue and also AVP 2010.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 17, 2021, 08:54:18 PMWhere are you getting this from?
I don't think those need to be mutually exclusive. He created the opportunity to make his job easier by putting Gorman in charge,
Quote from: SM on May 17, 2021, 09:51:14 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on May 17, 2021, 09:36:39 PMQuote from: SM on May 17, 2021, 09:32:22 PMQuote from: judge death on May 17, 2021, 05:47:00 PM
lol some week after people saying they are fine with canon changing and changing what we knew, now when its shown Weyland yutani cofinanced the colonial marines and ina way owns them and changing it: same people now complain over it xD
Well its canon now no matter what we think about it.
What?
I believe this was supposed to be a "gotcha"
Yeah I figured - though I'm not sure what's being got.
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 17, 2021, 11:16:40 PMNo he didn't, he got met with "this is under military jurisdiction, you have no authority here". They don't say they don't care he's in charge, they flat out say he's not in charge.
He tried to and got met rightly with "Who cares?"
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 17, 2021, 11:24:33 PMQuote from: SM on May 17, 2021, 09:51:14 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on May 17, 2021, 09:36:39 PMQuote from: SM on May 17, 2021, 09:32:22 PMQuote from: judge death on May 17, 2021, 05:47:00 PM
lol some week after people saying they are fine with canon changing and changing what we knew, now when its shown Weyland yutani cofinanced the colonial marines and ina way owns them and changing it: same people now complain over it xD
Well its canon now no matter what we think about it.
What?
I believe this was supposed to be a "gotcha"
Yeah I figured - though I'm not sure what's being got.
People who embrace the changes made by the prequels, I think.
Quote from: SiL on May 17, 2021, 11:36:31 PMQuote from: Trash Queen on May 17, 2021, 11:16:40 PMNo he didn't, he got met with "this is under military jurisdiction, you have no authority here". They don't say they don't care he's in charge, they flat out say he's not in charge.
He tried to and got met rightly with "Who cares?"
Which is pretty explicitly saying WY has no substantial influence over them.
Quote from: SiL on May 17, 2021, 11:36:31 PMTo be fair, it's not like the RPG says WY owns the military like SM is claiming. He's literally complaining about things the RPG doesn't say. :PQuote from: Trash Queen on May 17, 2021, 11:16:40 PMNo he didn't, he got met with "this is under military jurisdiction, you have no authority here". They don't say they don't care he's in charge, they flat out say he's not in charge.
He tried to and got met rightly with "Who cares?"
Which is pretty explicitly saying WY has no substantial influence over them.
Quote from: SM on May 17, 2021, 11:37:00 PM1. We don't know that Burke actually intended to covertly smuggle anything, that was Ripley's theory. He obviously intended Bishop transport the facehuggers in plain sight.
It's like the idiocy of Burke having to smuggle the Aliens through quarantine. "Hehe I'm so clever smuggling dangerous organisms past a quarantine body that my employers pay for."
See also "Hehe we pay for the marines, but we're going to spend our own money on our own soldiers to go to Fiorina".
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 17, 2021, 11:49:20 PMNobody says who cares. Nobody for a moment takes Burke's direction seriously. He has no authority in the situation at all, which is the whole point of saying it's under military jurisdiction - it's explicitly establishing a line between WY's authority and the military's.
It's not blatantly false, it's blatantly true and Ripley's response signifies that, but you're right in that the statement that it's under military jurisdiction's also made.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 17, 2021, 11:56:26 PMYou're the one saying Burke was in charge and stacking the deck, you tell us :-\ Why wouldn't he use PMCs instead of he was calling all the shots?
2. By that logic, why didn't Burke use their PMCs for Hadley's Hope?
Marines leave a paper trail, they clearly didn't want that with Fury 161.
Quote from: SiL on May 18, 2021, 12:11:46 AMThat's the point, they have access to PMCs and warships in the third movie but don't use them in the second.Quote from: Xenomrph on May 17, 2021, 11:56:26 PMYou're the one saying Burke was in charge and stacking the deck, you tell us :-\ Why wouldn't he use PMCs instead of he was calling all the shots?
2. By that logic, why didn't Burke use their PMCs for Hadley's Hope?
Marines leave a paper trail, they clearly didn't want that with Fury 161.
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 18, 2021, 12:28:08 AMThey don't care what he thinks because he has no authority, not in spite of whether he does or not. He tried to act like he had the authority to authorize nuking the site and they put him in his place. The film is pretty clear - WY is not in control of the situation.
They pretty much do they all but say so outright they don't care what he thinks, whether he's actually got tangible authority in any official or unofficial capacity or not, being my main point as I already mentioned the statement regarding military jurisdiction beforehand.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2014, 08:45:20 PM
If I were writing the bio for Gorman, I'd say his daddy was a moderately powerful exec at the company, but generally regarded by the corps as a dickhead with a silver spoon (and a corncob) up his ass. Burke then pulled some strings with a USCM colonel that was in the company's pocket and got him assigned to the mission as a favor to Gorman Sr.
Yeah, I read a lot into Burke's line: "You had your chance, Gorman!"
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 18, 2021, 02:49:20 AMAt least we know with certainty who's pulling the strings on this forumQuote from: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2014, 08:45:20 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2014, 06:54:42 PMIt wouldn't surprise me if Burke managed to pull strings with some dirty marine colonel over coke and hookers to get Gorman assigned to the mission.
Quote from: SM on May 19, 2021, 01:56:24 AMYeah, he's not getting off "Scott-free"...
I do like that Gorman actually has something approaching development.
Quote from: kwisatz on May 19, 2021, 12:50:23 AM
It's highly unlikely the USCM isn't testing their command personnel in stress situations.
Quote from: TNF on May 19, 2021, 03:29:34 PMQuote from: SM on May 19, 2021, 01:56:24 AMYeah, he's not getting off "Scott-free"...
I do like that Gorman actually has something approaching development.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 02, 2021, 02:05:57 PM
It's easy to play online too.
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Jun 07, 2021, 05:54:05 PMIncluding the UPP's version of a dropship which the book mentions was "coincidentally" the same design as the Cheyenne dropship lol.
Quote from: SM on Jun 07, 2021, 11:11:19 PMWhat should he have done instead?
Haven't read this yet, but also sounds a little lazy.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 08, 2021, 12:33:48 AMSeems sensible to me.
Sounds like there are lots of elements in there and he's prioritising where to spend his energy.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 08, 2021, 06:24:55 AM
I imagine the three people who will ever care about that detail are in this thread, and anyone else who may think it's weird can just ... make that not the case, since they're in charge.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 08, 2021, 09:13:30 AM
So more of a joke?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 07, 2021, 09:40:08 PMQuote from: Xiggz456 on Jun 07, 2021, 05:54:05 PMIncluding the UPP's version of a dropship which the book mentions was "coincidentally" the same design as the Cheyenne dropship lol.
Awful.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 08, 2021, 04:35:16 PMWas going to say this, as UPP is basicly soviet union and in real life soviet copied several designs from usa and the west, slight changes like engines was max they did. The B-29 copy and the space shuttle copies comes to mind.Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 07, 2021, 09:40:08 PMQuote from: Xiggz456 on Jun 07, 2021, 05:54:05 PMIncluding the UPP's version of a dropship which the book mentions was "coincidentally" the same design as the Cheyenne dropship lol.
Awful.
Is the Soviet Mig-28 not also identical to the USAF F-5?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 09, 2021, 08:54:10 PMGood news, they have one called the Krokodil that's specifically meant to be a space Hind.
Still awful.
I want my space Hind.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 09, 2021, 08:54:10 PMAny thoughts since you got your space Hind?
Still awful.
I want my space Hind.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jun 15, 2021, 05:24:41 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jun 09, 2021, 08:54:10 PM
Still awful.
I want my space Hind.
Any thoughts since you got your space Hind?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 18, 2021, 02:24:49 AMQuote from: Xenomrph on Jun 15, 2021, 05:24:41 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jun 09, 2021, 08:54:10 PM
Still awful.
I want my space Hind.
Any thoughts since you got your space Hind?
Are there pics?
Quote from: judge death on Jul 13, 2021, 08:44:52 PM
Got a message saying my colonial marines manual book is sent and on the way :D
Hmm I wonder if I can get a updated pdf now as they said they might change and fix typos and other stuff by the time they send out the physical book?
Quote from: judge death on Jul 23, 2021, 05:45:03 PM
Got mine 3 days ago, and if you wonder why I purchased the starter kit when I have the core rulebook already: I like to support the project fully and have all books :P
Quote from: Kailem on Jul 26, 2021, 04:50:05 PMWell it saves the books back/spine by reading the pdf rather than the book itself.
Got my hardcover copy today! I'm still reading through it in PDF format because it's just easier, but glad to have the book in my hands at last!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 23, 2021, 02:52:13 PMStill waiting on mine. :(
Received my shipping notice for the Marine Ops Manual.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 27, 2021, 07:41:09 AM
Mine arrived at the weekend but haven't had a chance to dig in! Decided to start re-reading Starship Troopers before it arrived, but once I've finished I can't wait to dig in! ;D
Quote from: Kailem on Aug 06, 2021, 12:40:36 PM
One expansion I was thinking about recently that I'd like to see at some point is a source book for all the different Alien variations we've seen throughout the comics, games, figures etc. There are so many out there beyond the ones we've seen in the movies - which mostly all have stats now between the current releases - that it'd be great to get some (and a bit more lore and artwork) for things like the Bull Alien or the King or the Queen Face Hugger.
The only downside could be that they might not be able to include the Predalien or things like the Carrier or Ravager and others that appeared in an AVP context. So that wouldn't be too great. But regardless, if it was as comprehensive as possible it would still be a really cool expansion to have, both from a gaming and a lore standpoint.
Quote from: Kailem on Aug 06, 2021, 12:40:36 PMI keep trying to get Gaska to write an Alien RPG: Feline Survival Guide, a supplement for running cats as NPCs and player characters.
One expansion I was thinking about recently that I'd like to see at some point...
Quote from: Kailem on Sep 13, 2021, 03:23:34 PM
Yeah I love how much stuff from the RPG has shown up in Fireteam Elite (too much, in some cases!), and even a couple of nods to Fireteam in the Colonial Marines Operations Manual. It really helps give a sense of a cohesive, interconnected Alien universe with its own lore and events outside of just the movies, and that's super cool.
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QuoteFree League and Titan Books Announce Creative Partnership for the ALIEN Universe Cohesive Narrative Across Novels and the RPG
Free League Publishing and Titan Books today announced a collaboration to publish a unified storyline set within the ALIEN Universe. For 2022 and into 2023, the editorial and writing teams will share assets and coordinate plotlines to form a cohesive narrative across three original novels and the multiple award-winning ALIEN RPG.
"The ALIEN RPG has established the 'Frontier War,' as remote human colonies come under assault by an unknown enemy, dropping a deadly pathogen that unleashes monsters on those worlds," Titan Acquisitions Editor Steve Saffel said. "At the same time, in the wake of the Titan novel Alien: Into Charybdis, political tensions on Earth reach a boiling point."
These dramatic events play out in the recently released ALIEN RPG: Colonial Marines Operations Manual by Free League and three upcoming trade paperback novels by Titan Books, each independent but all set against a dramatic galactic backdrop:
Alien: Colony War by David Barnett (April 2022)
Alien: Inferno's Fall by Phillipa Ballantine and Clara Carija (July 2022)
Alien: Enemy of My Enemy by Mary SanGiovanni (February 2023)
The results will set the stage for further developments within the ALIEN Universe, as depicted in the roleplaying game and original fiction.
Find out more about the novel Alien: Colony War here.
To further establish the connection between the game and the novels, the ALIEN RPG lead setting writer Andrew E.C. Gaska will develop three unique RPG scenarios which will appear as bonus features in the books, one per novel. The first such scenario, Fallout, is included in Alien: Colony War. Readers intrigued by these adventures will have the opportunity to further explore the RPG experience.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 10, 2022, 03:19:35 PMAbout time you think general vaguh from cmom will show up is some way shes proably one of my favorite npc in itQuoteFree League and Titan Books Announce Creative Partnership for the ALIEN Universe Cohesive Narrative Across Novels and the RPG
Free League Publishing and Titan Books today announced a collaboration to publish a unified storyline set within the ALIEN Universe. For 2022 and into 2023, the editorial and writing teams will share assets and coordinate plotlines to form a cohesive narrative across three original novels and the multiple award-winning ALIEN RPG.
"The ALIEN RPG has established the 'Frontier War,' as remote human colonies come under assault by an unknown enemy, dropping a deadly pathogen that unleashes monsters on those worlds," Titan Acquisitions Editor Steve Saffel said. "At the same time, in the wake of the Titan novel Alien: Into Charybdis, political tensions on Earth reach a boiling point."
These dramatic events play out in the recently released ALIEN RPG: Colonial Marines Operations Manual by Free League and three upcoming trade paperback novels by Titan Books, each independent but all set against a dramatic galactic backdrop:
Alien: Colony War by David Barnett (April 2022)
Alien: Inferno's Fall by Phillipa Ballantine and Clara Carija (July 2022)
Alien: Enemy of My Enemy by Mary SanGiovanni (February 2023)
The results will set the stage for further developments within the ALIEN Universe, as depicted in the roleplaying game and original fiction.
Find out more about the novel Alien: Colony War here.
To further establish the connection between the game and the novels, the ALIEN RPG lead setting writer Andrew E.C. Gaska will develop three unique RPG scenarios which will appear as bonus features in the books, one per novel. The first such scenario, Fallout, is included in Alien: Colony War. Readers intrigued by these adventures will have the opportunity to further explore the RPG experience.
Quote from: Kailem on Mar 10, 2022, 08:16:33 PMThere a reason a moive and a tv show in the same franchise is not made at the same time udally one ends up cancelled
Honestly I think this is super freaking cool.
I love the work that RPG has done to create a cohesive Alien universe, and the fact that more and more parts of the EU are actively making an effort to connect to one another like this is awesome.
I know with other EUs (Star Wars) it can start to get silly wondering whether or not some mobile phone game is considered "canon" or whatever, but this feels like the first time Alien has truly tried to bring everything together in the same sort of way, and I'm totally down with that (so much so that one of my biggest fears with the TV show is that it's going to come along and mess everything up on that front! :laugh:).
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 10, 2022, 03:19:35 PMQuoteFree League and Titan Books Announce Creative Partnership for the ALIEN Universe Cohesive Narrative Across Novels and the RPG
Free League Publishing and Titan Books today announced a collaboration to publish a unified storyline set within the ALIEN Universe. For 2022 and into 2023, the editorial and writing teams will share assets and coordinate plotlines to form a cohesive narrative across three original novels and the multiple award-winning ALIEN RPG.
"The ALIEN RPG has established the 'Frontier War,' as remote human colonies come under assault by an unknown enemy, dropping a deadly pathogen that unleashes monsters on those worlds," Titan Acquisitions Editor Steve Saffel said. "At the same time, in the wake of the Titan novel Alien: Into Charybdis, political tensions on Earth reach a boiling point."
These dramatic events play out in the recently released ALIEN RPG: Colonial Marines Operations Manual by Free League and three upcoming trade paperback novels by Titan Books, each independent but all set against a dramatic galactic backdrop:
Alien: Colony War by David Barnett (April 2022)
Alien: Inferno's Fall by Phillipa Ballantine and Clara Carija (July 2022)
Alien: Enemy of My Enemy by Mary SanGiovanni (February 2023)
The results will set the stage for further developments within the ALIEN Universe, as depicted in the roleplaying game and original fiction.
Find out more about the novel Alien: Colony War here.
To further establish the connection between the game and the novels, the ALIEN RPG lead setting writer Andrew E.C. Gaska will develop three unique RPG scenarios which will appear as bonus features in the books, one per novel. The first such scenario, Fallout, is included in Alien: Colony War. Readers intrigued by these adventures will have the opportunity to further explore the RPG experience.
QuoteThis is a pre-order. The physical module will be sent to you ahead of the official release. You will get a full PDF of the module shortly after purchase.
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MESSAGE BEGINS.
NEW LIFE DISCOVERED. CLASSIFICATION, EXTREMOPHILE. SERVICES REQUIRED. CONTRACT FOLLOWS.
AWAITING ACKNOWLEDGMENT...
The company found a new lifeform, and they want you to study it. Their offer's uncharacteristically generous—you catalog this organism, determine how they can use it, and bring it back so they can slap their patent on it. Fairly routine stuff. In exchange, they'll hook you up with a cushy corporate department head position, secure you a book deal, and make sure the institute of your choice gives you tenure. Did I mention the money? There's a lot of it. Simple survey, sample, and analysis job. Seemed too good to be true.
Of course it is.
Heart of Darkness is a complete Cinematic Scenario for the ALIEN roleplaying game, written by sci-fi novelist Andrew E.C. Gaska. It is a stand-alone adventure, but also serves as a conclusion to the Draconis Strain Saga begun in the cinematic scenario Chariot of the Gods and continued in Destroyer of Worlds. The scenario is designed for 3–5 players plus the Game Mother, and is a spiraling descent into soul-crushing madness. This boxed set contains:
The main Heart of Darkness scenario book.
A huge double-sided map (format 864x558mm) of the Erebos plasma trawling space station.
Seven pre-generated characters to choose from.
Custom cards for secret messages and personal agendas.
Player maps and handouts.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 21, 2022, 09:02:49 AMIm surprised you havent all releases from the rpg. :o ;D
Good lord I really have to catch up.
Quote from: judge death on Mar 30, 2022, 09:36:37 PMAlien creatures book, stats and rpg rules for all alien creatures, old and new and with ton of interesting facts, from the lore and new.
Quote from: Kailem on Apr 06, 2022, 04:16:59 PMSTILL no announcement of the Alien RPG: Feline Survival Guide.
A recent livestream with Andrew Gaska where, at one point, he mentions again that the upcoming release schedule for new content as of the moment is looking to be (in this order of release):
-The "Building Better Worlds" colonist/explorer source book
-Another cinematic scenario
-A 'space trucker' source book
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpKOPT3Lgs8
Quote from: judge death on Apr 06, 2022, 09:47:46 PMIm suprise we don't have a refrence to kenners atax though it would be cool if we get some organizations that actual make tech based on the xenomorphs and they would be a biological exosuit model called atax
Its a reference/tribute to one comic if I recall right. :)
Oh, so they told what they are up to next already, sounds amazing! :D I will throw my money at them as soon as they present anything. Just wish they made that alien source book, oh well one day!
Also yes: they have done a such superb work on the lore, tying and referencing to dark horse comics and games and books, and made a lot work, its first time I see like 99% of us fans liking it and agree on its lore. Showcase of how to do the lore and franchise right. :)
Quote from: judge death on Apr 06, 2022, 09:47:46 PMOh, so they told what they are up to next already, sounds amazing! :D I will throw my money at them as soon as they present anything. Just wish they made that alien source book, oh well one day!
Quote from: Kailem on Apr 07, 2022, 03:56:56 PMHopefully the android sourcebook explores animal android more thoroughly like that one dog from the shortQuote from: judge death on Apr 06, 2022, 09:47:46 PMOh, so they told what they are up to next already, sounds amazing! :D I will throw my money at them as soon as they present anything. Just wish they made that alien source book, oh well one day!
Yeah fingers crossed it's something they have in mind and we'll see it one day. I remember in one stream a while back, before the release of the Colonial Marines Operations Manual last year, Andrew Gaska also mentioned the possibility of an android sourcebook, so that's a thing we might end up seeing at some point after these other books too.
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Apr 13, 2022, 04:23:20 PMTell me how the marvel comics fit into this
Just finished up my read through of "Heart of Darkness" and there're are some very interesting and new concepts utilized in this campaign.
While reading (without getting into specifics) I felt that the following entries influenced aspects of this story:
Prometheus
Alien 3
Fire & Stone
Rage War
Gibson's A3
Harvest (short film)
Bloodlines (which PKJ has now confirmed is in the same timeline as the RPG)
Once again the artwork was phenomenal! Looking forward to the next expansion as well as what people playing think of the experience.
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Apr 13, 2022, 04:23:20 PMWho is PKJ?
Just finished up my read through of "Heart of Darkness" and there're are some very interesting and new concepts utilized in this campaign.
While reading (without getting into specifics) I felt that the following entries influenced aspects of this story:
Prometheus
Alien 3
Fire & Stone
Rage War
Gibson's A3
Harvest (short film)
Bloodlines (which PKJ has now confirmed is in the same timeline as the RPG)
Once again the artwork was phenomenal! Looking forward to the next expansion as well as what people playing think of the experience.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 14, 2022, 12:17:25 AMThe author of the alien marvel comicsQuote from: Xiggz456 on Apr 13, 2022, 04:23:20 PMWho is PKJ?
Just finished up my read through of "Heart of Darkness" and there're are some very interesting and new concepts utilized in this campaign.
While reading (without getting into specifics) I felt that the following entries influenced aspects of this story:
Prometheus
Alien 3
Fire & Stone
Rage War
Gibson's A3
Harvest (short film)
Bloodlines (which PKJ has now confirmed is in the same timeline as the RPG)
Once again the artwork was phenomenal! Looking forward to the next expansion as well as what people playing think of the experience.
Quote from: Bughuntwilson on Apr 13, 2022, 10:31:48 PMQuote from: Xiggz456 on Apr 13, 2022, 04:23:20 PMTell me how the marvel comics fit into this
Just finished up my read through of "Heart of Darkness" and there're are some very interesting and new concepts utilized in this campaign.
While reading (without getting into specifics) I felt that the following entries influenced aspects of this story:
Prometheus
Alien 3
Fire & Stone
Rage War
Gibson's A3
Harvest (short film)
Bloodlines (which PKJ has now confirmed is in the same timeline as the RPG)
Once again the artwork was phenomenal! Looking forward to the next expansion as well as what people playing think of the experience.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 14, 2022, 12:34:56 PMWhat do you mean by that exactly you think the marvel comics dosnt fit in?
By debasing themselves.
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Apr 14, 2022, 12:19:39 PMSo the woman in the dark is makeing a comeback she proably my least favorite concept from the marvel comicsQuote from: Bughuntwilson on Apr 13, 2022, 10:31:48 PMQuote from: Xiggz456 on Apr 13, 2022, 04:23:20 PMTell me how the marvel comics fit into this
Just finished up my read through of "Heart of Darkness" and there're are some very interesting and new concepts utilized in this campaign.
While reading (without getting into specifics) I felt that the following entries influenced aspects of this story:
Prometheus
Alien 3
Fire & Stone
Rage War
Gibson's A3
Harvest (short film)
Bloodlines (which PKJ has now confirmed is in the same timeline as the RPG)
Once again the artwork was phenomenal! Looking forward to the next expansion as well as what people playing think of the experience.Spoiler
(https://i.ibb.co/PY7HRg7/IMG-1641.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PY7HRg7)[close]
Quote from: Bughuntwilson on Apr 14, 2022, 01:33:23 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 14, 2022, 12:34:56 PMWhat do you mean by that exactly you think the marvel comics dosnt fit in?
By debasing themselves.Quote from: Xiggz456 on Apr 14, 2022, 12:19:39 PMSo the woman in the dark is makeing a comeback she proably my least favorite concept from the marvel comicsQuote from: Bughuntwilson on Apr 13, 2022, 10:31:48 PMQuote from: Xiggz456 on Apr 13, 2022, 04:23:20 PMTell me how the marvel comics fit into this
Just finished up my read through of "Heart of Darkness" and there're are some very interesting and new concepts utilized in this campaign.
While reading (without getting into specifics) I felt that the following entries influenced aspects of this story:
Prometheus
Alien 3
Fire & Stone
Rage War
Gibson's A3
Harvest (short film)
Bloodlines (which PKJ has now confirmed is in the same timeline as the RPG)
Once again the artwork was phenomenal! Looking forward to the next expansion as well as what people playing think of the experience.Spoiler
(https://i.ibb.co/PY7HRg7/IMG-1641.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PY7HRg7)[close]
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 14, 2022, 02:01:40 PMDont blame you when the art is mostly stills swiped from the movies and action figure where you can still see the swivels and joints and stories are written amaetur at best i woulnd't take it serious either
I think Marvel's Alien's a joke.
But I will wait and see for myself, Andrew Gaska's not done anything incorrect as yet, as far as I am concerned.
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Apr 14, 2022, 01:54:24 PMMy bad i use my phone and I am not that good when it comes to forums and understanding how to do spoiler tags
Hey man can you put some spoiler tags on your post please? I'd rather not elaborate anymore until more people get a chance to read/experience the campaign.
Quote from: TilotnyWorshiper28 on Apr 14, 2022, 02:18:25 PMQuote from: Bughuntwilson on Apr 14, 2022, 01:33:23 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 14, 2022, 12:34:56 PMWhat do you mean by that exactly you think the marvel comics dosnt fit in?
By debasing themselves.Quote from: Xiggz456 on Apr 14, 2022, 12:19:39 PMSo the woman in the dark is makeing a comeback she proably my least favorite concept from the marvel comicsQuote from: Bughuntwilson on Apr 13, 2022, 10:31:48 PMQuote from: Xiggz456 on Apr 13, 2022, 04:23:20 PMTell me how the marvel comics fit into this
Just finished up my read through of "Heart of Darkness" and there're are some very interesting and new concepts utilized in this campaign.
While reading (without getting into specifics) I felt that the following entries influenced aspects of this story:
Prometheus
Alien 3
Fire & Stone
Rage War
Gibson's A3
Harvest (short film)
Bloodlines (which PKJ has now confirmed is in the same timeline as the RPG)
Once again the artwork was phenomenal! Looking forward to the next expansion as well as what people playing think of the experience.Spoiler
(https://i.ibb.co/PY7HRg7/IMG-1641.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PY7HRg7)[close]Spoiler
I don't know bout this the Fulfremmen apparently have no gender but the Goddess/ Woman in the dark is Obviously female.[close]
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 14, 2022, 02:32:36 PMI see this as win to be honesty the marvel run a bit shoody to say the least gotta ask a question which alex white alien novel you live?
Yeah I just read up on this and...
In no way does this connect to either Marvel's Alien or Dark Horse's prior iterations of "similar ideas" I hesitate to even say that. As this looks to be a much more sophisticated take. And feels closer in relation to Alex White's work than anything else.
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Apr 14, 2022, 03:35:10 PMQuote from: TilotnyWorshiper28 on Apr 14, 2022, 02:18:25 PMQuote from: Bughuntwilson on Apr 14, 2022, 01:33:23 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 14, 2022, 12:34:56 PMWhat do you mean by that exactly you think the marvel comics dosnt fit in?
By debasing themselves.Quote from: Xiggz456 on Apr 14, 2022, 12:19:39 PMSo the woman in the dark is makeing a comeback she proably my least favorite concept from the marvel comicsQuote from: Bughuntwilson on Apr 13, 2022, 10:31:48 PMQuote from: Xiggz456 on Apr 13, 2022, 04:23:20 PMTell me how the marvel comics fit into this
Just finished up my read through of "Heart of Darkness" and there're are some very interesting and new concepts utilized in this campaign.
While reading (without getting into specifics) I felt that the following entries influenced aspects of this story:
Prometheus
Alien 3
Fire & Stone
Rage War
Gibson's A3
Harvest (short film)
Bloodlines (which PKJ has now confirmed is in the same timeline as the RPG)
Once again the artwork was phenomenal! Looking forward to the next expansion as well as what people playing think of the experience.Spoiler
(https://i.ibb.co/PY7HRg7/IMG-1641.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PY7HRg7)[close]Spoiler
I don't know bout this the Fulfremmen apparently have no gender but the Goddess/ Woman in the dark is Obviously female.[close]Spoiler
True but the illustration of the Fulfremmen leans more female and is the highest being of the pathogen. Which would seem to take influence from the Goddess as that is also the "final" evolution of "Prometheus' Cleansing Fire". Also to clarify, I never said it's the same thing, only that it seems to take inspiration from that concept.[close]
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 14, 2022, 02:32:36 PMThank heavens! If they added marvels ideas and timeline and that Sil creature and claim its now canon because that marvel writer wants it, and add: facehuggers with centerpide legs, ever mutating xenos, freaks, human alien hybrids, facehugger laying eggs several times or in any body openings, alpha goat alien, host have hive mind connection etc that the writer wanted at marvel..... Then I burn the books.
Yeah I just read up on this and...
In no way does this connect to either Marvel's Alien or Dark Horse's prior iterations of "similar ideas" I hesitate to even say that. As this looks to be a much more sophisticated take. And feels closer in relation to Alex White's work than anything else.
Quote from: judge death on Apr 14, 2022, 05:20:15 PMI forgot about the facehugger implating embyros serval time in any body opening and the writer coundt even be bother to put it in the book he put in a teeterQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 14, 2022, 02:32:36 PMThank heavens! If they added marvels ideas and timeline and that Sil creature and claim its now canon because that marvel writer wants it, and add: facehuggers with centerpide legs, ever mutating xenos, freaks, human alien hybrids, facehugger laying eggs several times or in any body openings, alpha goat alien, host have hive mind connection etc that the writer wanted at marvel..... Then I burn the books.
Yeah I just read up on this and...
In no way does this connect to either Marvel's Alien or Dark Horse's prior iterations of "similar ideas" I hesitate to even say that. As this looks to be a much more sophisticated take. And feels closer in relation to Alex White's work than anything else.
thankfully its untouched by marvels crappiness. :)
Quote from: Bughuntwilson on Apr 14, 2022, 05:33:27 PM
I forgot about the facehugger implating embyros serval time in any body opening and the writer coundt even be bother to put it in the book he put in a teeter
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 14, 2022, 07:18:38 PMQuote from: Bughuntwilson on Apr 14, 2022, 05:33:27 PM
I forgot about the facehugger implating embyros serval time in any body opening and the writer coundt even be bother to put it in the book he put in a teeter
Remind me about this one?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 14, 2022, 07:18:38 PMI meant to say tweet pkj on twitter once said the facehugger can implant a person mutiple times and will use a orfice of the bodyQuote from: Bughuntwilson on Apr 14, 2022, 05:33:27 PM
I forgot about the facehugger implating embyros serval time in any body opening and the writer coundt even be bother to put it in the book he put in a teeter
Remind me about this one?
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Apr 14, 2022, 07:42:02 PMAssblaster 9000Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 14, 2022, 07:18:38 PMQuote from: Bughuntwilson on Apr 14, 2022, 05:33:27 PM
I forgot about the facehugger implating embyros serval time in any body opening and the writer coundt even be bother to put it in the book he put in a teeter
Remind me about this one?
"Facehugger's buffet" with the implication being that any orifice would suffice for implantation. Everyone hated it lol although considering plagiarus praepotens is just refined pathogen it would stand to reason that as soon as it reaches a bloodstream it could potentially begin to create some sort of burster.
Ladies and gentlemen I present to you "the Buttburster" :laugh:
Quote from: Bughuntwilson on Apr 14, 2022, 08:29:15 PM(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/tremors/images/f/f5/African_Ass_Blaster_%2871%29.jpg)Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 14, 2022, 07:18:38 PMI meant to say tweet pkj on twitter once said the facehugger can implant a person mutiple times and will use a orfice of the bodyQuote from: Bughuntwilson on Apr 14, 2022, 05:33:27 PM
I forgot about the facehugger implating embyros serval time in any body opening and the writer coundt even be bother to put it in the book he put in a teeter
Remind me about this one?Quote from: Xiggz456 on Apr 14, 2022, 07:42:02 PMAssblaster 9000Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 14, 2022, 07:18:38 PMQuote from: Bughuntwilson on Apr 14, 2022, 05:33:27 PM
I forgot about the facehugger implating embyros serval time in any body opening and the writer coundt even be bother to put it in the book he put in a teeter
Remind me about this one?
"Facehugger's buffet" with the implication being that any orifice would suffice for implantation. Everyone hated it lol although considering plagiarus praepotens is just refined pathogen it would stand to reason that as soon as it reaches a bloodstream it could potentially begin to create some sort of burster.
Ladies and gentlemen I present to you "the Buttburster" :laugh:
Quote from: Stitch on Apr 15, 2022, 06:25:32 PMI prefer the orginal design myselfQuote from: Bughuntwilson on Apr 14, 2022, 08:29:15 PM(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/tremors/images/f/f5/African_Ass_Blaster_%2871%29.jpg)Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 14, 2022, 07:18:38 PMI meant to say tweet pkj on twitter once said the facehugger can implant a person mutiple times and will use a orfice of the bodyQuote from: Bughuntwilson on Apr 14, 2022, 05:33:27 PM
I forgot about the facehugger implating embyros serval time in any body opening and the writer coundt even be bother to put it in the book he put in a teeter
Remind me about this one?Quote from: Xiggz456 on Apr 14, 2022, 07:42:02 PMAssblaster 9000Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 14, 2022, 07:18:38 PMQuote from: Bughuntwilson on Apr 14, 2022, 05:33:27 PM
I forgot about the facehugger implating embyros serval time in any body opening and the writer coundt even be bother to put it in the book he put in a teeter
Remind me about this one?
"Facehugger's buffet" with the implication being that any orifice would suffice for implantation. Everyone hated it lol although considering plagiarus praepotens is just refined pathogen it would stand to reason that as soon as it reaches a bloodstream it could potentially begin to create some sort of burster.
Ladies and gentlemen I present to you "the Buttburster" :laugh:
Quote from: Xiggz456 on May 03, 2022, 02:38:02 PMwith not a mention of SM since "Phalanx" released.
Quote from: Xiggz456 on May 03, 2022, 04:07:15 PMJust noting that there's been a passing of the torch for "canon consultants" if you will.
Quote from: 426Buddy on May 09, 2022, 01:46:31 AMSounds like something unfortunate :-\In a sense.
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 08, 2022, 12:57:08 PMI would like to know more.
Quote from: 426Buddy on May 09, 2022, 01:46:31 AMSounds like something unfortunate :-\
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 12, 2022, 09:32:00 PMI had a feeling this RPG would overreach and turn to shit.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 12, 2022, 09:53:34 PMAnd it seems to be the basis of, or at least linked to, most of the current EU, vidya, etc, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 12, 2022, 09:28:40 PMYeah but that's not actually the worst part, it's the implication of how stupid everyone else is for not putting the connections together. What with their giant glowing Engineer runes and all and the fact that these ancient ruins are (unfortunately) supposed to be really common.If I remember right, some of that is roundabout "studio mandate" kind of stuff, based on what Gaska told me at one point. I might be misremembering, but it was something like that the only way he was even able to include semi-sentient races like the Arcturians/Arctura or whatever was by connecting them to the Engineers for some reason. I can ask him for clarification whenever he's not busy.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 18, 2022, 04:03:22 AMShort version is there was a studio mandate that the only sentient extraterrestrials are humans and Engineers,
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 18, 2022, 05:33:09 AMI keep pressuring him for it!
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 18, 2022, 05:35:54 AMNo, it is deliberately vague on the topic of Alien origins so that players can shitcan that nonsense if they choose to.Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 18, 2022, 05:33:09 AMI keep pressuring him for it!
Does the RPG commit to David being the creator?
Quote from: Wompdonkey on Sep 12, 2022, 07:43:47 PMI'm working on a campaign right now that involves a colony that has an Alien hive brewing in the reactor. Pretty standard set-up for the franchise.
The hook of the story however is that there is an undercover Blade Runner on the colony looking for a rogue Synthetic. One of the players will be given the Blade Runner secret backstory while another will be given the rogue Synthetic backstory. The other players are different staff members in the colony. There are also the character archetypes from the core game like Corporate or Mechanic. I think the Blade Runner angle spices up the campaign a little bit.
I've always wanted Blade Runner to officially cross over with Alien, and if I can't get that then the RPG is perfect for doing this sort of stuff.
Thanks to BlueMarsalis79 for encouraging me to share this idea on this thread.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 12, 2022, 07:55:58 PMNo worries, you know Free League Publishing's actually doing a Blade Runner RPG soon? So the crossover should be easier for you in practical terms then.
Also I just got word one of my friends in the UK's got Heart Of Darkness, so that should be shipping anyday.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 14, 2022, 02:50:26 PMShevvie's just showed up with no email notification.
Quote from: BlazinBlueReview on Dec 04, 2022, 06:46:28 PMFinally cracking open the ALIEN RPG. Have had it for so long.Please show me where to find these solo rules. I cannot foresee a time when I'd actually be able to play it with people.
But now looking at trying my hand at a SOLO run, as have found some Solo Rules and the Mythic Variations II to emulate a GM. So should make for an interesting experiment.
Quote from: Stitch on Dec 06, 2022, 01:03:13 AMQuote from: BlazinBlueReview on Dec 04, 2022, 06:46:28 PMFinally cracking open the ALIEN RPG. Have had it for so long.Please show me where to find these solo rules. I cannot foresee a time when I'd actually be able to play it with people.
But now looking at trying my hand at a SOLO run, as have found some Solo Rules and the Mythic Variations II to emulate a GM. So should make for an interesting experiment.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 07, 2022, 09:14:21 AMThe 3rd book isn't out as yet, I'm afraid. But yeah, that's right - it should be the frontier life iirc.I thought Heart of Darkness included a book, similar to Destroyer of Worlds?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 07, 2022, 10:16:50 AMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngUI7z3sNRI
Quote from: Kailem on Mar 02, 2023, 12:41:36 PMI got an email from Free League a few days ago announcing their 2023 line-up, and there was nothing for the Alien RPG listed on there.I can ask Andrew Gaska if you'd like, he might have an idea on release timelines.
Granted they said there would still be more announcements this year, but given that Heart of Darkness came out in PDF form a year ago now and we've still not had any official announcements of what's next (most likely that colonist/explorer sourcebook "Building Better Worlds"), I get the feeling we might be entering a bit of a lean time when it comes to new content here.
Quote"Space is a pitch black room—stick your hand out and you might never get it back. Of course, you also might touch god. It's a gamble either way. To not try, however, is to wither and die—only those bold and foolish enough to take a chance will change their lives."
—Captain J.V. Gorham, Far Spinward Colonies, Pioneer, Weyland Corp.
All the wonder and danger of the stars is yours—if you can just wipe the grime off your face and dig the dirt out from under your fingernails first. Airless moons circle swirling gas giants, eager to be transformed into tomorrow's paradise. Dark ancient mysteries wait to be unearthed beneath a millennium of debris. Searing solar flares boil your flesh and blacken your bones as you harness their power to light a hundred worlds. Long lost mysteries lie entombed in the frozen hearts of icy comets. Unstable tectonic plates shift to drown iridium mines in scalding lava. Even the truth of humanity's origins awaits you out there, orbiting some dying star. And out there amongst it all is something truly horrifying—something that nature never intended.
Something alien.
Building Better Worlds is a complete campaign module for the award-winning official ALIEN roleplaying game, giving you all the tools you need to run a full open-world campaign as a pioneering explorer or colonist. This book includes:
History of Colonization – the story of humanity's reach for the stars.
Creating Explorers & Colonists – expanded character creation rules for life on the frontier.
Gear & Ships – an extensive chapter with new gear and spaceships, gloriously illustrated.
Extrasolar Species Catalog – new Xenomorphic creatures to encounter.
The Lost Worlds – the framework and backstory for a frontier campaign.
Expeditions – six thrilling expeditions into uncharted space, playable in any order.
The Endgame – the final showdown with everything at stake.
The Appendix – create your own frontier and colonize it.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 26, 2023, 01:46:34 PMThe colonist book has been announced!
https://freeleaguepublishing.com/en/store/?product_id=8385978663235Quote"Space is a pitch black room—stick your hand out and you might never get it back. Of course, you also might touch god. It's a gamble either way. To not try, however, is to wither and die—only those bold and foolish enough to take a chance will change their lives."
—Captain J.V. Gorham, Far Spinward Colonies, Pioneer, Weyland Corp.
All the wonder and danger of the stars is yours—if you can just wipe the grime off your face and dig the dirt out from under your fingernails first. Airless moons circle swirling gas giants, eager to be transformed into tomorrow's paradise. Dark ancient mysteries wait to be unearthed beneath a millennium of debris. Searing solar flares boil your flesh and blacken your bones as you harness their power to light a hundred worlds. Long lost mysteries lie entombed in the frozen hearts of icy comets. Unstable tectonic plates shift to drown iridium mines in scalding lava. Even the truth of humanity's origins awaits you out there, orbiting some dying star. And out there amongst it all is something truly horrifying—something that nature never intended.
Something alien.
Building Better Worlds is a complete campaign module for the award-winning official ALIEN roleplaying game, giving you all the tools you need to run a full open-world campaign as a pioneering explorer or colonist. This book includes:
History of Colonization – the story of humanity's reach for the stars.
Creating Explorers & Colonists – expanded character creation rules for life on the frontier.
Gear & Ships – an extensive chapter with new gear and spaceships, gloriously illustrated.
Extrasolar Species Catalog – new Xenomorphic creatures to encounter.
The Lost Worlds – the framework and backstory for a frontier campaign.
Expeditions – six thrilling expeditions into uncharted space, playable in any order.
The Endgame – the final showdown with everything at stake.
The Appendix – create your own frontier and colonize it.
QuoteThe Arcturians are also implied to be humans from a lost colony mission that adapted to Arcturus over time. So, they're not actually aliens, then? Why is this even a thing? The Arcturians were the first intelligent species officially encountered by humanity, and now they've been utterly demystified.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 07, 2023, 01:46:18 PMGood honestly. Better than them being proper extraterrestrials.Spoiler
QuoteThe Arcturians are also implied to be humans from a lost colony mission that adapted to Arcturus over time. So, they're not actually aliens, then? Why is this even a thing? The Arcturians were the first intelligent species officially encountered by humanity, and now they've been utterly demystified.[close]
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Oct 07, 2023, 08:34:08 PMSpeaking of the Engineers...that's, that's heresy. it can't beSpoiler
...Building Better Worlds officially states that they created the Xenomorph. And the Perfected. The Engineers referred to both as their "ungrateful children".[close]
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Oct 07, 2023, 08:34:08 PMSpeaking of the Engineers...Spoiler
...Building Better Worlds officially states that they created the Xenomorph. And the Perfected. The Engineers referred to both as their "ungrateful children".[close]
Quote from: Still Collating... on Oct 08, 2023, 10:54:40 PMSo this imply that the xenomorph existed before? Or something else?Quote from: Slutty Badger on Oct 07, 2023, 08:34:08 PMSpeaking of the Engineers...Spoiler
...Building Better Worlds officially states that they created the Xenomorph. And the Perfected. The Engineers referred to both as their "ungrateful children".[close]
There's been discussion about that on the Alien RPG discord. There are parts in the book that say that, as well as parts that say that they are recreating their "Destroying Angels". That along with the lore in CMOM with Jannes Ruedy's diary mentions that they're definitely recreating some ancient Lovecraftian being.
As for the Arcturus thing, they can't be human by the RPG in CMOM. They worship the Engineers, created unbelievable structures, and no humans could've changed so fast to be able to biologically swap genders by will. So have no idea why the human expedition there was mentioned.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Oct 08, 2023, 10:54:40 PMQuote from: Slutty Badger on Oct 07, 2023, 08:34:08 PMSpeaking of the Engineers...Spoiler
...Building Better Worlds officially states that they created the Xenomorph. And the Perfected. The Engineers referred to both as their "ungrateful children".[close]
There's been discussion about that on the Alien RPG discord. There are parts in the book that say that, as well as parts that say that they are recreating their "Destroying Angels". That along with the lore in CMOM with Jannes Ruedy's diary mentions that they're definitely recreating some ancient Lovecraftian being.
As for the Arcturus thing, they can't be human by the RPG in CMOM. They worship the Engineers, created unbelievable structures, and no humans could've changed so fast to be able to biologically swap genders by will. So have no idea why the human expedition there was mentioned.
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Oct 08, 2023, 11:50:33 PMQuote from: Still Collating... on Oct 08, 2023, 10:54:40 PMSo this imply that the xenomorph existed before? Or something else?Quote from: Slutty Badger on Oct 07, 2023, 08:34:08 PMSpeaking of the Engineers...Spoiler
...Building Better Worlds officially states that they created the Xenomorph. And the Perfected. The Engineers referred to both as their "ungrateful children".[close]
There's been discussion about that on the Alien RPG discord. There are parts in the book that say that, as well as parts that say that they are recreating their "Destroying Angels". That along with the lore in CMOM with Jannes Ruedy's diary mentions that they're definitely recreating some ancient Lovecraftian being.
As for the Arcturus thing, they can't be human by the RPG in CMOM. They worship the Engineers, created unbelievable structures, and no humans could've changed so fast to be able to biologically swap genders by will. So have no idea why the human expedition there was mentioned.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Oct 09, 2023, 07:10:41 PMhalle f**king lujah Them bastards did it, they made the xenomorph into something more mysterious and scary rather then a robot puppetQuote from: Thatguy2068 on Oct 08, 2023, 11:50:33 PMQuote from: Still Collating... on Oct 08, 2023, 10:54:40 PMSo this imply that the xenomorph existed before? Or something else?Quote from: Slutty Badger on Oct 07, 2023, 08:34:08 PMSpeaking of the Engineers...Spoiler
...Building Better Worlds officially states that they created the Xenomorph. And the Perfected. The Engineers referred to both as their "ungrateful children".[close]
There's been discussion about that on the Alien RPG discord. There are parts in the book that say that, as well as parts that say that they are recreating their "Destroying Angels". That along with the lore in CMOM with Jannes Ruedy's diary mentions that they're definitely recreating some ancient Lovecraftian being.
As for the Arcturus thing, they can't be human by the RPG in CMOM. They worship the Engineers, created unbelievable structures, and no humans could've changed so fast to be able to biologically swap genders by will. So have no idea why the human expedition there was mentioned.
Some parts of the Colonial Marines Operations Manual RPG suggest exactly that. Basically the old script versions of Prometheus. Engineers found biological immortality, stopped sexual reproduction and became stagnant. Then a decline was going on, one brave Engineer went forth into the cosmos farther then any of their species before. Found a hugger and with the after burst, created life for the first time in eons. Engineers started worshiping the Alien/s and used it's mutagenic blood to seed life amongst the stars. Either after the death of the Alien somehow, or during it's life, they created the Pathogen black goo. When the original was dead, they recreated the Alien with the Pathogen as specified in this new expansion of the RPG it seems. So don't know if the original was exactly the same, or a more Giger/Lovecraftian version.
Still a lot of mysteries and contradictions along the way. The one thing that's clear is that they're going far away from the "David created them" angle Scott wanted during Covenant. And knowing what was done in the new game Aliens Dark Descent just confirms this.
P. S. Liking that the new RPG book as well as the new game are heavily referencing the Destroying Angels comic.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Oct 09, 2023, 07:10:41 PMStill a lot of mysteries and contradictions along the way. The one thing that's clear is that they're going far away from the "David created them" angle Scott wanted during Covenant.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Oct 09, 2023, 07:10:41 PMStill a lot of mysteries and contradictions along the way. The one thing that's clear is that they're going far away from the "David created them" angle Scott wanted during Covenant. And knowing what was done in the new game Aliens Dark Descent just confirms this.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 10, 2023, 08:54:29 PMQuote from: Still Collating... on Oct 09, 2023, 07:10:41 PMStill a lot of mysteries and contradictions along the way. The one thing that's clear is that they're going far away from the "David created them" angle Scott wanted during Covenant. And knowing what was done in the new game Aliens Dark Descent just confirms this.
I hope the Space Jockeys/Pilots return as something separate from the Engineers in movie or series form one day. 8)
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Oct 10, 2023, 11:19:47 PMCall me insane but I really hope that alien rpg make a expansion With some big hint or references about the Predators
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Oct 26, 2023, 10:34:52 AMI'm about 50 pages in and am enjoying more of the world building! Even though I don't actually play the books still get my imagination running with scenarios in the 2100's. Anyway here's some of the lore/shoutouts from the EU (many of which have already appeared in previous RPG releases).
Hideo Yutani - Origins
Geholgod, Dr Keitel, Throop Rescue - Destroying Angels
Ted Talk
AP patent - Wey-Yu Report
CANC/UNIC - Steel Egg
Hasanova - Into Charybdis
3WExit, New Albion - Colony War
Sevastopol, Gemini Exoplanet Solutions- Isolation
Mendel - Blackout
Wright-Aberra Fuel depot - Defiance
DSMO Marion, Kelland Mining - Out of the Shadows
Rim colony - Outbreak
Rodina Station - Gibson A3
LV-666 - Zero to Hero
Synthetic dogs - Specimen
Dog sized bugs - Exterminators
Plasma Trawler - Harvest
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 30, 2023, 10:30:40 AMI finally ordered Building Better Worlds. Looking forward to getting into this.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Oct 10, 2023, 07:32:00 PMAsk Andrew Gaska on Facebook, that Arcturian thing doesn't make sense. He answers questions on the Free League Alien RPG group if you tag him, but you could also just send him a message and ask politely cause I heard he answers fan questions no problem.He's told me that the Arctura are the creatures from the old Leading Edge RPG, and the Arcturians are near-humans created by the Engineers.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 04, 2023, 12:55:41 AMQuote from: Still Collating... on Oct 10, 2023, 07:32:00 PMAsk Andrew Gaska on Facebook, that Arcturian thing doesn't make sense. He answers questions on the Free League Alien RPG group if you tag him, but you could also just send him a message and ask politely cause I heard he answers fan questions no problem.He's told me that the Arctura are the creatures from the old Leading Edge RPG, and the Arcturians are near-humans created by the Engineers.
The way he explained it was that I guess there was an edict from Fox and/or Disney that any sentient races other than humans or Engineers needed to be tied to the Engineers in some capacity, or something like that.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 30, 2023, 10:30:40 AMI finally ordered Building Better Worlds. Looking forward to getting into this.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 07, 2023, 09:18:43 PMI just learned that the plasma rifle from Aliens Colonial Marines got carried forward into the Alien RPG and Aliens Dark Descent.
Does the RPG carry over anything else from A:CM?
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Dec 07, 2023, 10:01:31 PMThat's pretty coolQuote from: Xenomrph on Dec 07, 2023, 09:18:43 PMI just learned that the plasma rifle from Aliens Colonial Marines got carried forward into the Alien RPG and Aliens Dark Descent.
Does the RPG carry over anything else from A:CM?
Yup. The Charger/Crusher Xenomorph, for one thing. Weapons, creatures and technology from A:CM are all canon; the story is definitely not, however.
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Dec 09, 2023, 09:59:28 AMReceived the physical book yesterday! Sadly none of the errors seem to have been corrected.Where did you buy it from?
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 09, 2023, 11:33:40 PMQuote from: Slutty Badger on Dec 09, 2023, 09:59:28 AMReceived the physical book yesterday! Sadly none of the errors seem to have been corrected.Where did you buy it from?
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Dec 10, 2023, 10:31:34 AMDo you happen to have a link handy? Thanks!Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 09, 2023, 11:33:40 PMQuote from: Slutty Badger on Dec 09, 2023, 09:59:28 AMReceived the physical book yesterday! Sadly none of the errors seem to have been corrected.Where did you buy it from?
Free League.
Quote from: Wweyland on Feb 14, 2024, 05:05:47 PMIts sort of like a new expansion?
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Apr 07, 2024, 07:08:30 PMI take it the Geisha is a 3WE casino?
Quote from: bobby brown on Apr 07, 2024, 07:39:04 PMYes, a subsidiary company to Weyland-Yutani.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 26, 2024, 01:20:40 PMNo...it's an incredibly successful game, doing a very logical sale on Alien Day.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 26, 2024, 01:20:40 PMNo...it's an incredibly successful game, doing a very logical sale on Alien Day.
Quote from: bobby brown on Apr 07, 2024, 05:33:44 PMA dice tray, That me and a friend made for our RPG sessions.
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QuoteDelighted to see that the Alien RPG 'Building Better Worlds' sourcebook - of which Dave wrote the lion's share - has been nominated on the shortlist for this year's UK Games Expo's JUDGES' AWARD for Best Roleplaying Game Expansion.