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As Ridley Scott and his fellow filmmakers continue making the press rounds for his upcoming science-fiction, The Martian, based off the fantastic Andy Weir novel, Ridley Scott is starting to talk more about Prometheus 2. In an interview with Collider, Scott talked about the questions Noomi Rapace’s Elizabeth Shaw and Michael Fassbender’s David 8 will have when they reach their destination in Prometheus 2:

“It starts off with a very grand idea—or a grand question, really. Who are they and why did they create such evil biology and bacteriology? And [in creating], to protect themselves from what? So the questions are answered there, or rather, beginning to be answered in Prometheus 2.”

Much of the story for Prometheus 2 is unknown. The last we heard of the screen writing was that Michael Green had written a script by Jack Paglen. Scott recently told interviewers that Prometheus 2 would start production in February 2016 and that he had been scouting for locations in Australia.

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Its assumed that the evil biology and bacteriology "Xenomorphs and black goo/mutagen agent" are a form of weapon the Engineers intend to use to wipe out the Human race. When Scott refers to it as a means to protect themselves is that implying there's an event greater threat to the Engineers?  :o

Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Sep 17, 2015, 09:24:55 AM
When Scott refers to it as a means to protect themselves is that implying there's an event greater threat to the Engineers?  :o

My guess would be...

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Very excited for round 2.

Quote from: Alien³ on Sep 17, 2015, 09:37:34 AM

Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Sep 17, 2015, 09:24:55 AM
When Scott refers to it as a means to protect themselves is that implying there's an event greater threat to the Engineers?  :o

My guess would be...

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Very excited for round 2.

Ehhhhh that makes no sense........

Also I don't like that he said "begins to answer question".......he better not be doing another have assed story.

Forgive for miss phrasing this, the impression from Scott quote suggest that the Engineer utilise that Xenomorph as a mean of defence against some unknown force. "And [in creating], to protect themselves from what?"

Its strongly implied we're the enemy that the engineer intends to wipe out via the Xenomorphs, but it almost seemed that Scott was suggesting there's something else the Engineers wanted to use the Xenomorphs against.

EVIL BIOLOGY AND BACTERIOLOGY! RUN FOR THE HILLS!

NOT GOOD BACTERIOLOGY! EVIL BACTERIOLOGY!

Quote from: Alien³ on Sep 17, 2015, 09:37:34 AM
My guess would be...

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Attempting to turning one set of monsters into a completely different set of monsters doesn't seem like a very logical countermeasure...

Also, it's meant to be the third film where the Alien might possibly be somehow referenced again, not a second.

Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 17, 2015, 09:49:26 AM
Also I don't like that he said "begins to answer question".......he better not be doing another have assed story.

Keeping expectations lowered seems like a safe bet. He's never acknowledged the flaws in any interview. The most he's spoken of about it, is that he was happy with the released version and was happy people liked it (through buying tickets). If you didn't like the formula of the last one, there isn't any indication it shall be changed.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 17, 2015, 10:01:19 AM
Attempting to turning one set of monsters into a completely different set of monsters doesn't seem like a very logical countermeasure...

Depends on what happens if the alien comes in contact with the black goo. Something we haven't seen.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 17, 2015, 10:01:19 AM
Also, it's meant to be the third film where the Alien might possibly be somehow referenced again, not a second.

It was heavily referenced in Prometheus already.

Don't know what to say but... excited!

We should probably be careful.....Ridley tends to spill a lot of beans pre movie......

It's worth noting that The Martian is getting good reviews because Ridley didn't develop it or have any hand in directing the writing........
The majority of what Scott develops does not turn out well......

I smell money bait.

What if the engineer's threat  were a race considered to be the architects?

I hate making up ideas but I thought this was rather interesting to share, just food for thought.

Something makes the setting and something else casts the actors.

The architects make worlds and galaxies while the engineers make life to populate them. And of course, because it is a movie, they have some conflict.

Quote from: System Apollo on Sep 17, 2015, 02:32:55 PM
What if the engineer's threat  were a race considered to be the architects?

I hate making up ideas but I thought this was rather interesting to share, just food for thought.

Something makes the setting and something else casts the actors.

The architects make worlds and galaxies while the engineers make life to populate them. And of course, because it is a movie, they have some conflict.

Doubt it. Say it'll just be some other war race.
These guys maybe
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Yeah, I doubt the xenos will feature as the big bad in this movie. My money is on some kind of Lovecraftian Giger space god, which is what I would prefer. Hopefully the studio is actually brave enough to do something risky.

Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 17, 2015, 06:24:28 PM
Yeah, I doubt the xenos will feature as the big bad in this movie. My money is on some kind of Lovecraftian Giger space god, which is what I would prefer. Hopefully the studio is actually brave enough to do something risky.

Maybe the Engineers were persecuted and enslaved themselves?

Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 17, 2015, 06:32:27 PM

Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 17, 2015, 06:24:28 PM
Yeah, I doubt the xenos will feature as the big bad in this movie. My money is on some kind of Lovecraftian Giger space god, which is what I would prefer. Hopefully the studio is actually brave enough to do something risky.

Maybe the Engineers were persecuted and enslaved themselves?

That's entirely possible. Back when Prometheus came out, I remember Scott compared the Engineers to the fallen angels in Paradise Lost, so that lends some weight to the idea that they're in rebellion against some kind of god.

The quote, via Alien Explorations (http://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2012/07/questions-about-god-and-paradise-lost.html (http://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2012/07/questions-about-god-and-paradise-lost.html)):

QuoteMovies.com: We're not going to get a slow build in this second film, then. These guys are volatile from the start?
Ridley Scott: In a funny kind of way, if you look at the Engineers, they're tall and elegant ... they are dark angels. If you look at [John Milton's] Paradise Lost, the guys who have the best time in the story are the dark angels, not God. He goes to all the best nightclubs, he's better looking, and he gets all of the birds. [Laughs]
Movies.com: So Milton was one of your influences for the Engineers?
Ridley Scott: That sounds incredibly pretentiously intellectual. (http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/8232)

ULTRAMORPH

my guess would be that this "god" created Engineers and humans (it's why we share DNA).
They got jealous and that's why they want to wipe us out.

That's an interesting idea. Maybe "Space God" favored humans and that set the Engineers off. Maybe Scott will do Space Jesus in some form, who knows.

Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 17, 2015, 06:49:47 PM
That's an interesting idea. Maybe "Space God" favored humans and that set the Engineers off. Maybe Scott will do Space Jesus in some form, who knows.

I think whatever the story turns out to be, it'll be very very simple stuff.

Don't tell me they're doing the whole "questions will be answered" thing again  ::)

Quote from: CrespiChickenStrips on Sep 17, 2015, 08:09:24 PM
Don't tell me they're doing the whole "questions will be answered" thing again  ::)

I think that they are officially doing "Questions will begin to be answered"

It sounds awesome.  Can't wait to see it!

No, I have no hope nor care for this.

Just going out on a limb here...

Aren't there theories of the Annunaki having reptilian counterparts or something along those lines? Would the Predators (who seem to have reptilian elements) make sense as part of all this Engineer/Xenomorph/black goo etc. space god stuff?

Look, I'm not saying they'll go with that, as both Ridley and Blomkamp have stated they don't like mixing the Alien and Engineers with the Predator mythos.

To me though, at this point it seems like it does make sense to do something like that, if we're talking about bridging all the Alien/Engineer stuff with all the ancient astronaut theory (something Prometheus has done).

If the Engineers and whatever other Lovecraftian "things" out there created life, us humans, and the Alien then...?

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I'd add that at this point the great creepy mystery of the space jockey from the original Alien has been uncovered, and really are the Engineers (giant albino humanoids) any more mind blowing than something like what Predator culture could be seen as in more detail?

As long as they're monsters or alieny-things I'll be happy. :)

Oh that would be awesome, to run afoul of something else that's creepy like what happened in alien with the space jockey.

Dont believe a word of it,   remember we have already been mugged over by Ridley / fox.  For the next 18 months we will get our ears filled with happy promises and grand ideas of how this will fix everything and even more,  hopes will be high with fangasm's everywhere.  Then Fox will get nervous that its too grand and off the rails for the mainstream idiots that fill todays society,  they will interfere like they did before with Prometheus,  kill the story force Ridleys hand and produce another waste of a movie with us all in the same position again   "WHAT HAPPENDED THERE"   

"Questions will be answered"? We heard that before. Talk is cheap. It's time to put up or shut up, Mr. Scott.

Let's only hope that this doesn't have a Contact-style ending with Shaw meeting an engineered vision of her deceased father.

Quote from: dave1978 on Sep 18, 2015, 08:36:02 AM
Dont believe a word of it,   remember we have already been mugged over by Ridley / fox.  For the next 18 months we will get our ears filled with happy promises and grand ideas of how this will fix everything and even more,  hopes will be high with fangasm's everywhere.  Then Fox will get nervous that its too grand and off the rails for the mainstream idiots that fill todays society,  they will interfere like they did before with Prometheus,  kill the story force Ridleys hand and produce another waste of a movie with us all in the same position again   "WHAT HAPPENDED THERE"

This will probably happen! Unfortunately!

Quote from: dave1978 on Sep 18, 2015, 08:36:02 AM
Dont believe a word of it,   remember we have already been mugged over by Ridley / fox.  For the next 18 months we will get our ears filled with happy promises and grand ideas of how this will fix everything and even more,  hopes will be high with fangasm's everywhere.  Then Fox will get nervous that its too grand and off the rails for the mainstream idiots that fill todays society,  they will interfere like they did before with Prometheus,  kill the story force Ridleys hand and produce another waste of a movie with us all in the same position again   "WHAT HAPPENDED THERE"

Well, I'd rather be lied to than not have anything happen ever again, ever.

Prometheus might have been a lie of sorts, but it wasn't the worst film ever made, on its own merits. It's not what I wanted it to be, nor was it entirely was it was promised to be, but overall I liked it.

Quote from: Alien³ on Sep 17, 2015, 10:11:26 AM
Depends on what happens if the alien comes in contact with the black goo. Something we haven't seen.

Either dies off in a painful way or, more likely, gets transformed into something just as dangerous.

They'd have been better off manufacturing guns. :)

QuoteIt was heavily referenced in Prometheus already.

Not overtly.

Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 17, 2015, 06:43:51 PM
ULTRAMORPH

my guess would be that this "god" created Engineers and humans (it's why we share DNA).
They got jealous and that's why they want to wipe us out.

But that's what the Engineers were depicted as doing in a flashback: Spreading their DNA around. That's what they want (or at least, once wanted).

Quote from: Robot Sentry on Sep 18, 2015, 04:17:56 AM
Aren't there theories of the Annunaki having reptilian counterparts or something along those lines?

Going by mythology? Not quite. Reptilian and even half-fish beings are referenced in cultures, but as completely different species, not working in tandem. Reptilian ones are generally depicted with proper faces, not masks over them.

In fairness to the "begins to answer," they have talked about a trilogy since before Prometheus came out. It also doesn't hurt to have more realistic expectations this time around. The hype they stirred before the first movie was bound to leave people disappointed.

Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 17, 2015, 10:27:14 AM
We should probably be careful.....Ridley tends to spill a lot of beans pre movie......

You're right. The first thing I heard Scott say about Prometheus, just days after it was announced, was "the thing in the chair - it's a suit."  :-\

hi i am back prometheus wil dam good movie see all predator 4

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 18, 2015, 10:05:20 PM

QuoteIt was heavily referenced in Prometheus already.

Not overtly.

Really?

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Seemed like they were referencing the alien directly in these examples.

It's almost like Scott is using the alien as a trump card in case the Prometheus series doesn't pan out. Like just connecting the end of Prometheus 3 with Alien is going to hush everyone up.

Well he is definitely using the alien franchise as the canvas for exploring.

Yes, really. :) Those are just subtextual references. None of them involve the Alien, itself. That's what Lindelof/Scott are on the record as saying wouldn't be dealt with until a third prospective film.

Ok so we just gotta make it though this next film to slide in to alien continuity. I can dig that.

So the engineer suit is made like that so no facehugger can go in their mouths?
And even if they mix with an engineer you get mutated xeno like the one from Prometheus in the end,
when he opens his mouth only a meat thing comes out and not the attacking.....jaw thing.


So they made the eggs, to impregnate us humans and therefor creating xenomorphs for an attack force,
to attack....predators?? :D

The derelict left lv223 with ampules that mutated into the eggs we know... that is the most logical way to tie up this 2000 year old shit. That can also mean whatever killed them on lv223 was an entirely different form of contagion from the same mutagen. Dallas was a space trucker, fossilized my arse. That was not an expert opinion. haha

Basically the black goo is an ultimate weapon that allows the engineers to create life as they see fit and that means to create life to exterminate other types of life in a purely systematic way.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 20, 2015, 12:23:20 PM
The derelict left lv223 with ampules that mutated into the eggs we know... that is the most logical way to tie up this 2000 year old shit. That can also mean whatever killed them on lv223 was an entirely different form of contagion from the same mutagen. Dallas was a space trucker, fossilized my arse. That was not an expert opinion. haha

Basically the black goo is an ultimate weapon that allows the engineers to create life as they see fit and that means to create life to exterminate other types of life in a purely systematic way.

I think they just loaded up eggs and not ampules, its just a cargo hold.
And the laser keeping the eggs in sleep means the eggs where there from take off.
Thats the most logical.

As i see it, the black goo turned every living thing into a hostile entity.
But except the engineer, he turned into nothing when he fel into the water disolving into nothing, or the dna of life on Earth.
So could be the blood of the engineer coming in contact with the black goo makes both go kaput, and every inferior life beings will be dominated to its aggression.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 20, 2015, 12:23:20 PM
The derelict left lv223 with ampules that mutated into the eggs we know... that is the most logical way to tie up this 2000 year old shit. That can also mean whatever killed them on lv223 was an entirely different form of contagion from the same mutagen. Dallas was a space trucker, fossilized my arse. That was not an expert opinion. haha

Basically the black goo is an ultimate weapon that allows the engineers to create life as they see fit and that means to create life to exterminate other types of life in a purely systematic way.

The eggs are on a mural being clutched by an Alien's hands with all four petals open.

Also, there would be no reason for a Queen to naturally lay ampules. :)

Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 17, 2015, 02:47:55 PM

Quote from: System Apollo on Sep 17, 2015, 02:32:55 PM
What if the engineer's threat  were a race considered to be the architects?

I hate making up ideas but I thought this was rather interesting to share, just food for thought.

Something makes the setting and something else casts the actors.

The architects make worlds and galaxies while the engineers make life to populate them. And of course, because it is a movie, they have some conflict.

Doubt it. Say it'll just be some other war race.

Well if Mr. Scott does not follow my vision for his upcoming movie then he leaves me no other choice than to criticize his film at every opportunity I get!

Spoiler

Sarcasm

[close]

Architects are usually associated as deities, as aforementioned could denote a possible idea.

Quote from: Alien³ on Sep 19, 2015, 10:05:02 PM
Well he is definitely using the alien franchise as the canvas for exploring.

As an Alien fan it feels very disappointing to see him do this.  :-[

A...greater...threat?!

There's a few ideas that come to mind. One must be mankind. Prometheus was the first privately funded deep-space exploration mission, if we are going off pure Prometheus lore, so the Engineers must foresee mankind developing the capability and capacity to explore and colonize new worlds in mass scale. Perhaps that is a threat over their dominion?

Another idea is another species, represented by the different style of ship shown at the beginning of the film and used in an Easter Egg space battle in Aliens: Colonial Marines (like it or not, FOX says it's canon so clearly they mean to depict two different races). Possible civil war or perhaps the original Space Jockey is NOT an Engineer but something else completely?

Finally, my personal hope, is that the greater threat is THE PREDATOR RACE, BECAUSE WHY THE HELL NOT?!
...
Obviously there are reasons not to go this route, but I don't see it as an impossibility. FOX knows there is this unavoidable parallel between their two fictitious species, thanks to the comics, video games and movies. Now, knowing Ridley, he won't do this unless forced to and at that point you're probably looking at a different director if FOX won't budge.

Ultimately, I would like that route because I really like the Fire and Stone series and would love to see it made into a 2-part film series or short TV program (like hour long episodes), despite the flaws and speculative nature (but it would be able to be flushed out since the BIG QUESTIONS will have been answered at the Prometheus film series conclusion).

One final thought... what if this was a weird Aliens: Nightmare Asylum [Book 2] variant using Prometheus? Corporal Hicks knows where I'm going with this... perhaps the Xenomorphs that were "engineered" were created to fight an indigenous version of the very same creature??? Aliens Genocide with Engineers trying to control their creations? 

So you want to introduce Oredators to Prometheus 2,  yeah OK.  So we gret a PredEngineer,  sn***er.

Given what a mess the first film was, I'm not exactly jumping out of my seat over the sequel.

Saying Prometheus 2 will "begin" answering questions just makes me feel like they don't really have a clue where they're going to go with it. Which just smacks of typical Lindelof.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 22, 2015, 11:07:01 AM
Saying Prometheus 2 will "begin" answering questions just makes me feel like they don't really have a clue where they're going to go with it. Which just smacks of typical Lindelof.

Good thing then that Lindelof isn't involved with the sequel.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 22, 2015, 11:56:03 AMGood thing then that Lindelof isn't involved with the sequel.

No, but he came up with all the original, unanswered questions in the original that they now have to try and solve in a meaningful way. That's typical Lindelof. Come up with great ideas, then totally fail to resolve them.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 20, 2015, 05:54:02 PM
The eggs are on a mural being clutched by an Alien's hands with all four petals open.

Also, there would be no reason for a Queen to naturally lay ampules. :)

So what came first, the egg or the ampule? :P

Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 22, 2015, 01:02:59 PM

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 20, 2015, 05:54:02 PM
The eggs are on a mural being clutched by an Alien's hands with all four petals open.

Also, there would be no reason for a Queen to naturally lay ampules. :)

So what came first, the egg or the ampule? :P

The chicken came first.

But the biggest unanswered question is how did Tom Ed Lawrence do that trick with the match? Because it damn well hurts when I try it at home.

in case anyone is interested I've uncovered a video where Michael Biehn addresses Neill Blomkamp's upcoming Alien film and his supposed role.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmUH_eA9VGE

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With Prometheus 2 slated for a release in 2017 do you reckon Neill Blomkamp's movie will go into Production around the same time fora release of 2018? And for that matter isn't Ridley Scott meant to be making a total of 3 Prometheus related movies, the1st one which came out in 2012, the 2nd which he'll be working on now, and finally a 3rd which will fill the gap to the events of the original Alien? Wonder if Scott will be have to force his other two Prometheus film into a singular sequel in order to make room for Neill's movie.

Quote from: System Apollo on Sep 17, 2015, 02:32:55 PM
What if the engineer's threat  were a race considered to be the architects?

I hate making up ideas but I thought this was rather interesting to share, just food for thought.

Something makes the setting and something else casts the actors.

The architects make worlds and galaxies while the engineers make life to populate them. And of course, because it is a movie, they have some conflict.

I actually expected this back in my analysis of one of the trailers in 2012 - though I thought the tendrils would be more prevalent than they turned out to be.

Quote from: ripp3r on Mar 17, 2012, 08:41:01 PM
I have also started to wonder if there are 2 alien species being dealt with; the engineers (pale-blue figures) and the space jockeys.  Perhaps a war between the two occurred or is occurring and we have found ourselves in the middle?  Not sure how the tendrils fit in though, unless they serve as a weapon used from one against the other.

I still maintain that the Engineers are emulating some other creature with the image of the suits they wear.

Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Sep 22, 2015, 10:27:07 PMfinally a 3rd which will fill the gap to the events of the original Alien

The whole concept of this puts me off. If the original idea to make a straight Alien prequel was so deliberately (and messily) discarded for Prometheus, why are they now going back to it for a sequel? It's probably just going to make things even more clumsy.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 22, 2015, 01:26:12 PM
that trick with the match? Because it damn well hurts when I try it at home.

:D

Quote from: markweatherill on Sep 23, 2015, 11:34:10 AM

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 22, 2015, 01:26:12 PM
that trick with the match? Because it damn well hurts when I try it at home.

:D

Have you tried licking your fingers first.... it helps.

The words biology and bacteriology intrigue me. We really haven't had biotechnology aliens in movies for a while except in the movie pacific rim where the monsters were seen being weaved together. The engineers seem a bit deeper in the field than the guys who cooked up the dinosaurs in jurassic world. I always thought the black goo in the intro of the movie was programmed to use him to spread life. So here is a question I wonder if the sequel will answer, was the black goo the crew encountered programmed to act that way or did they stumble into goo that had no programming thus random bacteria natured chaos ensued?

I think the first question about the black goo is; is it engineer made or is it natural? Then the questions never end. Was it past it's best by date? Was the ampules they encountered toxic waste? Did everything go to shit because it mixed? Why did it make the worms sexy hammerpedes and Fifield a butt ugly zombie? On and on and on...

Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 23, 2015, 08:04:23 PMWhy did it make the worms sexy hammerpedes and Fifield a butt ugly zombie?

Because it was gonna make Fifield a sexy Alien but then they changed it into something else that makes significantly less sense. Basically like the entire movie.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 23, 2015, 08:34:11 PM

Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 23, 2015, 08:04:23 PMWhy did it make the worms sexy hammerpedes and Fifield a butt ugly zombie?

Because it was gonna make Fifield a sexy Alien but then they changed it into something else that makes significantly less sense. Basically like the entire movie.

Zing! But yeah.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 23, 2015, 08:34:11 PM

Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 23, 2015, 08:04:23 PMWhy did it make the worms sexy hammerpedes and Fifield a butt ugly zombie?

Because it was gonna make Fifield a sexy Alien but then they changed it into something else that makes significantly less sense. Basically like the entire movie.

When I discovered this after seeing Prometheus, going home and jumping online the high I was on from seeing the film immediately evaporated.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 23, 2015, 08:47:27 PM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 23, 2015, 08:34:11 PM

Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 23, 2015, 08:04:23 PMWhy did it make the worms sexy hammerpedes and Fifield a butt ugly zombie?

Because it was gonna make Fifield a sexy Alien but then they changed it into something else that makes significantly less sense. Basically like the entire movie.

Zing! But yeah.

Well just like tmjhur said; it's a 130 million dollar prologue.

Quote from: LCpl. D. Grant on Sep 23, 2015, 09:29:23 PM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 23, 2015, 08:34:11 PM

Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 23, 2015, 08:04:23 PMWhy did it make the worms sexy hammerpedes and Fifield a butt ugly zombie?

Because it was gonna make Fifield a sexy Alien but then they changed it into something else that makes significantly less sense. Basically like the entire movie.

When I discovered this after seeing Prometheus, going home and jumping online the high I was on from seeing the film immediately evaporated.

The high never arrived for me. Neither did it for the entire audience... I think one or two people started to clap but then that silent awkwardness crept in. You know it doesn't happen to me often; but I was at a total loss for words for quite some time. :laugh:

Just to sort of go back to the main point, my biggest issue with Prometheus was that nothing was explained with any sense of satisfaction (or at all). I'd really appreciate the sequel answering some questions and not being another setup entry. I found it quite frustrating as a viewer.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 24, 2015, 07:50:49 AMJust to sort of go back to the main point, my biggest issue with Prometheus was that nothing was explained with any sense of satisfaction (or at all).

I don't know if it was so much that nothing was explained - there's nothing wrong with leaving questions unanswered, look at Alien - but I had issue with the fact the questions Prometheus posed made no damn sense.

Why would the Engineers make us just to decide to kill us all at a later date?

Why would they leave us directions to a biological weapons depot if they simply plan to return with said weapons and wipe us out?

Why would David decide to infect Holloway when it could, in all likelihood, endanger Weyland, whose survival is the entire point of the mission?

Why is Shaw heading to the Engineer home world alone in search of "answers" when they apparently want to batter her to death with their bare hands on sight?

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 24, 2015, 07:59:40 AM

I don't know if it was so much that nothing was explained - there's nothing wrong with leaving questions unanswered, look at Alien - but I had issue with the fact the questions Prometheus posed made no damn sense.

I agree with the sentiment but when they make a big deal of a movie asking and answering questions I'd expect them to actually answer them.  :P

But I completely agree with the other points too.

I agree that Prometheus didn't answer its questions in a fulfilling way, and that it never really intended to is all the more frustrating, but I disagree that many of the pertinent questions don't make sense. "Why did they create humans only to decide to destroy them?" Assuming the engineers on lv-223 actually did purposely create human beings, and let's assume they did, they either changed their mind about the worth of humankind and thus decided to wipe the slate clean with a new biological creation (guess what), or they simply wanted to create something else in an old petri dish just because they could, but it's important to remember that the question rests solely on what Shaw has extrapolated. It's the same as asking why some parents hate or don't care about their children, and David represents the inverse of this theme; where he wants his parents dead, and so while he does serve Weyland, it's clear what his ultimate motives are. Heck, he's the first to assure Holloway that the air is "perfectly breathable", thus his efforts to expose the crew to infection was evident before he dipped the goo in Holloway's drink. That this could put Weyland at risk wouldn't phase David; Weyland merely told him to try harder, and with that he could doubly serve Weyland and his own motives.  Also, the star maps don't point specifically to lv-223; there would be multiple worlds they could have landed on in the star system, they simply chose an earth-like planetoid in that system, but alas it turned out to be anthrax island and not the home world of the engineers. That the star maps were an "invitation" is also just Shaw's assumption. I prefer Fifield's assumption - "bullshit".

Prometheus answered one big question from alien and that was what was the space jockey. It was a giant albino humanoid. So... there's that.

Quote from: david8 on Sep 24, 2015, 08:54:08 AMThat the star maps were an "invitation" is also just Shaw's assumption. I prefer Fifield's assumption - "bullshit".

But if the facility is making/housing biological weapons that are earmarked for our destruction, why would the Engineers leave us any clue as to where it is? That would be like Assad emailing the Syrian rebels with the locations of his chemical weapons stockpiles.

Could just as easily have been something else and then repurposed.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 25, 2015, 12:10:26 AM
Could just as easily have been something else and then repurposed.

Seems like a stretch. It was just another issue with the narrative.

Well, being a different kind of building might actually explain why it had those pseudo-religious engravings all over the place... Might have been turned into a storage area at a much later time.

For somewhere which was speculated as being where they made the stuff, it seemed to lack anything even approaching what could be recognised as a series of laboratories, much less production assembly.

come to think of it, that might be why they were meant to be painted as pointing to that constellation: It was originally some sort of centre for cultural understanding/teaching, which their cultural 'missionaries' assembled at to leave in their spaceships for various different worlds. Then it later got turned into somewhere for keeping the black ooze (or was taken over by a different faction). That big giant head might have just been somewhere they later decided to store some of the urns, rather than having any symbolic relation to them.

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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 24, 2015, 07:59:40 AM

I don't know if it was so much that nothing was explained - there's nothing wrong with leaving questions unanswered, look at Alien - but I had issue with the fact the questions Prometheus posed made no damn sense.

I agree with the sentiment but when they make a big deal of a movie asking and answering questions I'd expect them to actually answer them.  :P

But I completely agree with the other points too.

I feel like the whole presentation was as another member put it; a prologue. I really feel that his sequel will be a better movie in every aspect.

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Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 25, 2015, 12:10:26 AM
Could just as easily have been something else and then repurposed.

Seems like a stretch. It was just another issue with the narrative.

"Paradise Lost" implies there could've been a civil war if it's based on the actual poem which explores a civil war in the heavens.

What if that Engineer pointing at the stars was saying "if you go out there, don't go near these stars."

However, if that facility is truly 2,000 years old, then I don't see how Xenomorphines' suggestion is a stretch as 2 millennia is a lot of time for things to change.

On the other hand, that could have belonged to our creators, and then taken by force from this other faction, or it was found abandoned and then occupied by this faction.

Hopefully the sequels begin answering questions as I'd like to find out as well some of these questions.

Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Sep 26, 2015, 06:24:44 PM
What if that Engineer pointing at the stars was saying "if you go out there, don't go near these stars."

"You said go there!"

"We said DON'T go there!"

:D

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Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Sep 26, 2015, 06:24:44 PM
What if that Engineer pointing at the stars was saying "if you go out there, don't go near these stars."

"You said go there!"

"We said DON'T go there!"

:D

Ha!  :laugh:

Quote from: System Apollo on Sep 26, 2015, 05:18:58 PMI feel like the whole presentation was as another member put it; a prologue. I really feel that his sequel will be a better movie in every aspect.

While I hear what you're saying, the idea of making a film that's simply a prologue to a proposed sequel really pisses me off.

A film should stand on it's own as a self-contained piece of entertainment, end of. If I have to start watching sequels just to enjoy the first, they've failed. I don't need to watch Aliens to enjoy or understand Alien. The same should be true of Prometheus, regardless of how good or bad the sequel is.

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What if that Engineer pointing at the stars was saying "if you go out there, don't go near these stars."

So a distress/warning signal?  :P
Where have we all seen one of those before?

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Quote from: System Apollo on Sep 26, 2015, 05:18:58 PMI feel like the whole presentation was as another member put it; a prologue. I really feel that his sequel will be a better movie in every aspect.

While I hear what you're saying, the idea of making a film that's simply a prologue to a proposed sequel really pisses me off.

A film should stand on it's own as a self-contained piece of entertainment, end of. If I have to start watching sequels just to enjoy the first, they've failed. I don't need to watch Aliens to enjoy or understand Alien. The same should be true of Prometheus, regardless of how good or bad the sequel is.

And I definitely agree with that. Usually films that turn into trilogies concentrate their effort on the first film. When it succeeds then you would know to create a sequel. Scott for some reason made his film knowingly that he would get a sequel by default and Prometheus suffers for that. Paradise Lost will (at least hopefully) be better than Prometheus but now this kind of concept is floating in Hollywood as a possibility meaning that we might begin seeing a trend of prologue movies. I really hope that this is not going to be the case.

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Quote from: david8 on Sep 24, 2015, 08:54:08 AMThat the star maps were an "invitation" is also just Shaw's assumption. I prefer Fifield's assumption - "bullshit".

But if the facility is making/housing biological weapons that are earmarked for our destruction, why would the Engineers leave us any clue as to where it is? That would be like Assad emailing the Syrian rebels with the locations of his chemical weapons stockpiles.

More importantly why wait 35000 years ?? Perhaps initially they were making something else ??

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Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Sep 17, 2015, 09:24:55 AM
When Scott refers to it as a means to protect themselves is that implying there's an event greater threat to the Engineers?  :o

My guess would be...

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Very excited for round 2.

This is a very interesting concept. And its kind of right in front of us to see. People have been asking how the black goo ties into the derelict and the eggs and you're saying that the Deacon that we see, is actually an attempt made by the engineers to destroy the Xenomorphs. Meaning the black goo doesn't make Xenomorphs, it makes a creature they were designing to fight the xenomorphs.
Kinda interesting, but also sort of lame in the end, there are just two kinds of Xenos, that battle each other.

I much prefer the Paradise Lost angle. Which - as far as explaining the events in Promtheus - implies that there are instead to kinds of Engineers. Fallen Angels and Beloved Angels. And then there is their Creator who has also created man. The fallen Angels, would be the ones we met on LV223 and as per Paradise Lost, they are creating a POISON, meant to POISON the human race because their creator loves us more than they.
This poison is fed to Adam and Eve in the Garden Of Eden.
So then we would have Shaw and David in Paradise (the garden of eden) where the Devil - the leader of the Fallen Engineers, will disguise himself and trick David and Shaw into drinking the Poison. The Black Goo?
And that maybe creates the Alien somehow? By way of David being an android?
I dunno.
In any case, that would make the Goo poisoning the human race to create the Xeno's to destroy their creator.

Quote from: CainsSon on Sep 29, 2015, 06:16:27 AM
and you're saying that the Deacon that we see, is actually an attempt made by the engineers to destroy the Xenomorphs.

Not what I was saying at all.

Quote from: CainsSon on Sep 29, 2015, 06:16:27 AM
Meaning the black goo doesn't make Xenomorphs, it makes a creature they were designing to fight the xenomorphs.
Kinda interesting, but also sort of lame in the end, there are just two kinds of Xenos, that battle each other.

I was implying that the deacon is an accident as a result of the black goo coming into contact with a human. I was questioning what the black goo would do if it came in contact with an alien.

In no way was I saying the deacon was a weapon to fight the aliens.

Although I do acknowledge that is another theory.

"Why would they give any clue at all?" Assuming "they" - the engineers on 223 - were the ones that gave the star-map "clues", or, indeed, "warnings", again, that's an assumption. But let's say they were responsible, and for a time things were good - the engineers gave man knowledge, fire, etc - but "God" found out, so they started creating bio-weapons to counter God's wrath - "to protect themselves from what?" A being pointing to an arbitrary cluster of stars by itself doesn't impart much information, the point is that the supposition that they "changed their minds" is Shaw's interpretation, I submit that they were culturing life over several worlds to test their weapons on with no foresight or care about humans at all.