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Title: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Facehugga1976 on Jul 16, 2023, 08:01:03 AM
So here's a question for all of you 79 Alien fans...

Would you go back for Jonesy or not? 
Jonesy basically had an assist in getting Brett killed, and almost got Ripley killed. 

Then, he used up one of his own nine lives while he was in the box between the Narcissus, Ripley and the Alien.

I love animals.  I even had a cat for about 15 years.  But in that situation, I'm sorry, I can get another cat  ;D
Not to mention - if the roles were reversed...would Jonesy go back for Ripley?  Hecks naw!

What about you all?  Go back for the cat or no?


Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2023, 08:28:28 AM
Nope.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SiL on Jul 16, 2023, 09:16:37 AM
How the film presents it, yes.

If they could be anywhere on the ship and I'd have to go on a wild goose chase - probably not.

Also, how does Jonesy almost get Ripley killed? She abandons his ass the second she runs into the Alien.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Kradan on Jul 16, 2023, 10:12:02 AM
Probably not. I'm more of a dog person anyway

Also, it's interesting that Alien just bitch-slapped Jonesy's box and left it be. I'd imagine Big Chap could've easily torn that thing open and enjoy some juicy kitty meat
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 16, 2023, 10:24:16 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 16, 2023, 10:12:02 AMdog person

Finally! 🥳🙏 ...dog person here too....😅👉👈 pardon my hyperbolic reaction, it's just that there seem to be more cat persons here, so I was feeling a bit lonely. I actually really love chihuahuas (no joke) 💕 but overall all dogs as well.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SiL on Jul 16, 2023, 10:47:21 AM
I have two cats (or, more accurately, live with two cats)

Hate them both.

Not leaving them in the house if it's on fire. I'm a dog person, not a c**t.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 16, 2023, 11:08:06 AM
Murderous alien on board that could be hiding anywhere? Time of the essence? Gotta blow the ship and try to help my last 2 crew members?

No the cat is on its own.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Kradan on Jul 16, 2023, 11:25:48 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 16, 2023, 10:47:21 AMNot leaving them in the house if it's on fire. I'm a dog person, not a c**t.

I know it's probably wasn't directed at me personally but HEY !  >:(
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 16, 2023, 12:20:05 PM
It's a cat man.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Eal on Jul 16, 2023, 02:08:50 PM
Dog person actually, despite my avatar. Wouldn't abandon my cat though.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Rankles75 on Jul 16, 2023, 07:59:17 PM
Nah, screw that! If that cat wants to live, it can find its own way to the shuttle...
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 16, 2023, 08:34:51 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Elmazalman on Jul 17, 2023, 12:53:03 AM
Nah.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Stitch on Jul 17, 2023, 03:48:51 AM
I'm allergic to cats
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jul 24, 2023, 05:07:32 PM
Of course I'm saving the cat... what else will I be eating on the shuttle before cryo? 😂
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Kimo on Jul 26, 2023, 10:53:29 AM
YES
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Murphy's Boot on Sep 05, 2023, 02:17:45 PM
Not at all, his cat antics ultimately cost the life of Brett, not cool!
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Kel G 426 on Nov 25, 2023, 02:35:51 PM
I see this topic arise from time to time, but the funny thing is the situation never occurred in the movie.

At no point did anyone go back for Jonesy in an effort to save him. He was picked up along the way.

Quote from: Kradan on Jul 16, 2023, 10:12:02 AMAlso, it's interesting that Alien just bitch-slapped Jonesy's box and left it be. I'd imagine Big Chap could've easily torn that thing open and enjoy some juicy kitty meat

It feels to me that shot was put back in just for the hell of it. They had the footage, so they used it. I prefer the TC for that scene.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 25, 2023, 02:51:39 PM
People refer to Ripley hearing Jonesy over the intercom speakers, and then taking time to search for the cat as "going back for him" not the later point in the film when encountered by the Alien, outside the shuttle entrance.

I prefer the "Marketing Cut" in that respect, the Theatrical Cut always took me out of the film with the abruptness of the score cutting out, in nearly every other respect I prefer the original editing.

Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SiL on Nov 25, 2023, 08:58:14 PM
Yeah the bridge isn't on the way to the engine room from the shuttle.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SM on Nov 25, 2023, 09:19:13 PM
Yeah it was a long way out of the way. The fact Ripley heard him over the intercom probably made it easily pinpoint where he was.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 05, 2023, 06:43:11 PM
Hell yes I would. There is no such thing as a bad cat, all cats must be cherished and saved, even at the expense of the lives of their human slaves.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 05, 2023, 06:56:50 PM
What good's a cat if you ain't around to pet it?
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 05, 2023, 08:14:21 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 05, 2023, 06:56:50 PMWhat good's a cat if you ain't around to pet it?
The cat will find other people to pet it.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Elmazalman on Dec 06, 2023, 06:47:54 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 25, 2023, 02:51:39 PMI prefer the "Marketing Cut" in that respect, the Theatrical Cut always took me out of the film with the abruptness of the score cutting out, in nearly every other respect I prefer the original editing.

I don't like the abruptness of the cut to the music either, but prefer the take used in the 1979 theatrical release (love the Alien's exposed teeth before the lips begin to close).

The version used in the 2003 DC doesn't make sense: the cat box was lying on the deck where Ripley had dropped it, yet when the Alien stands over the box to peer at the cat, then swats it aside - the cat box is revealed to be level with the Alien's hips!?! How can this be, as the Alien isn't using either of its hands to hold it up, and the cat box shouldn't be perched on anything. Did the Alien lower itself down on its knees for an even closer look?
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Neila on Dec 06, 2023, 11:24:42 AM

hmmm, I think if I had had enough time, I would have even brought the cat from the Narcissus back to the Nostromo...
At least when I threw the xeno out of the airlock,
I would have thrown Jonesy after... :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Cosmic Incubation on Dec 06, 2023, 04:03:06 PM
I was thinking about this when I did a rewatch the other night, with my cat in my lap no less.

It's hard to say when you're in an actual survival situation like that, but I love my cat very much and I like to think I'd definitely go back for that lil f**ker. Thinking with my cat as Jonesy. I just couldn't stand the thought of it being left behind, scared, and getting blowed up like that.

Spoiler
my cat: (https://i.postimg.cc/sxBznTgJ/370087657-1493178118194985-3854401832489504133-n.jpg)
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Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 06, 2023, 07:28:24 PM
Quote from: Neila on Dec 06, 2023, 11:24:42 AMhmmm, I think if I had had enough time, I would have even brought the cat from the Narcissus back to the Nostromo...
At least when I threw the xeno out of the airlock,
I would have thrown Jonesy after... :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:
You monster, you're worse than Ash and the Alien and the entire Company combined.


Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Dec 06, 2023, 04:03:06 PMI was thinking about this when I did a rewatch the other night, with my cat in my lap no less.

It's hard to say when you're in an actual survival situation like that, but I love my cat very much and I like to think I'd definitely go back for that lil f**ker. Thinking with my cat as Jonesy. I just couldn't stand the thought of it being left behind, scared, and getting blowed up like that.

Spoiler
my cat: (https://i.postimg.cc/sxBznTgJ/370087657-1493178118194985-3854401832489504133-n.jpg)
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That is an excellent cat.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Cosmic Incubation on Dec 06, 2023, 08:14:38 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 06, 2023, 07:28:24 PMThat is an excellent cat.

Thank you kindly! :D
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Neila on Dec 07, 2023, 11:01:33 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 06, 2023, 07:28:24 PM
Quote from: Neila on Dec 06, 2023, 11:24:42 AMhmmm, I think if I had had enough time, I would have even brought the cat from the Narcissus back to the Nostromo...
At least when I threw the xeno out of the airlock,
I would have thrown Jonesy after... :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:
You monster, you're worse than Ash and the Alien and the entire Company combined.

I think you know it was a joke  :)

But I seriously wonder if anyone would actually take the cat. So if it's on the way, sure, but would someone who is just in front of the shuttle and at the saving destination, so to speak, actually go back?
I think with these films we sometimes lose touch with the intensity of the situation because we know it so well.
If there really was an alien there, I don't think anyone would turn back for a cat.
Just compare it to a skyscraper with a hungry lion running around and you don't know where he is. You know your cat is on the second or third floor, would you actually go in again?
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 07, 2023, 02:23:05 PM
I would die for my cats.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: oduodu on Dec 07, 2023, 06:20:59 PM
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: nanison on Dec 15, 2023, 04:54:58 PM
The way the scene plays out I'd also take the cat with me. I think in such a situation you clammer to every non hostile creature you can get your hands on for comfort.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 21, 2024, 02:47:31 PM
This is a good thread. I'd say yes, but wouldn't be surprised with myself ditching him when really facing that situation. And I'm a cat person.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: PredBabe on Feb 21, 2024, 07:06:10 PM
I'd like to imagine that I would go back for my fur babies. Both my cat and doggos alike. But I would be inching around every corner in the process. 😅
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 21, 2024, 07:43:54 PM
I just remembered Ripley didn't come back for Jones actually. She was going for the shuttle when Big Chap popped.

She left Jonesy's furry ass there and turned back to stop the ship self destruct process, but it was too late. She then went back to the shuttle and picked him up while embarking to the shuttle.

So Jones was always on Ripley's path anyway regarding her leaving the Nostromo.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SiL on Feb 21, 2024, 08:02:39 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 21, 2024, 07:43:54 PMI just remembered Ripley didn't come back for Jones actually. She was going for the shuttle when Big Chap popped.

She left Jonesy's furry ass there and turned back to stop the ship self destruct process, but it was too late. She then went back to the shuttle and then picked him up while embarking to the shuttle.

So Jones was always on Ripley's path anyway regarding her leaving the Nostromo.
She goes to the bridge to get him first, which she had no reason to go to.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 21, 2024, 08:10:38 PM
Oh shit yes you're right. Weirdly my mind obliterated this part.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 21, 2024, 08:40:07 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 16, 2023, 11:08:06 AMMurderous alien on board that could be hiding anywhere? Time of the essence? Gotta blow the ship and try to help my last 2 crew members?

No the cat is on its own.

I still stand by this answer. Ripley spends precious time going to the bridge and getting the cat. I'm sorry but getting off the ship with Parker and Lambert as quickly as possible would be my only concern.

If the cat just happened to be on the way then yah sure I'de scoop him up. But as it's shown in the film, that cat would be toast.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SiL on Feb 21, 2024, 09:08:51 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 21, 2024, 08:40:07 PMI still stand by this answer. Ripley spends precious time going to the bridge and getting the cat. I'm sorry but getting off the ship with Parker and Lambert as quickly as possible would be my only concern.
Ripley doesn't waste any time on it. She's waiting for them to get back with the coolant.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SM on Feb 21, 2024, 09:23:45 PM
Yeah she had all the time she wanted. She was just prepping the shuttle, which doesn't take terribly long. If it was after she'd thrown the switches - different matter.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2024, 09:25:00 PM
If only they knew the shuttle had three cryotubes.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SiL on Feb 21, 2024, 09:25:53 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 21, 2024, 09:23:45 PMYeah she had all the time she wanted.
Well, 7 minutes.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 21, 2024, 09:29:54 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 21, 2024, 09:08:51 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 21, 2024, 08:40:07 PMI still stand by this answer. Ripley spends precious time going to the bridge and getting the cat. I'm sorry but getting off the ship with Parker and Lambert as quickly as possible would be my only concern.
Ripley doesn't waste any time on it. She's waiting for them to get back with the coolant.

Now I have to watch again but if she had that kind of time to wait around or look for the cat then she could have been covering Parker and Lambert with the flamethrower.

Things more important than going to the bridge for the cat.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SM on Feb 21, 2024, 09:31:51 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 21, 2024, 09:25:53 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 21, 2024, 09:23:45 PMYeah she had all the time she wanted.
Well, 7 minutes.

She's the captain by that point and if she takes longer, Parker can take it up with the union.


Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 21, 2024, 09:29:54 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 21, 2024, 09:08:51 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 21, 2024, 08:40:07 PMI still stand by this answer. Ripley spends precious time going to the bridge and getting the cat. I'm sorry but getting off the ship with Parker and Lambert as quickly as possible would be my only concern.
Ripley doesn't waste any time on it. She's waiting for them to get back with the coolant.

Now I have to watch again but if she had that kind of time to wait around or look for the cat then she could have been covering Parker and Lambert with the flamethrower.

Things more important than going to the bridge for the cat.

Parker was covering Lambert. Ripley was the most vulnerable on her own.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SiL on Feb 21, 2024, 09:38:16 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 21, 2024, 09:29:54 PMNow I have to watch again but if she had that kind of time to wait around or look for the cat then she could have been covering Parker and Lambert with the flamethrower.

Things more important than going to the bridge for the cat.
Ripley doesn't really take that long getting Jones. Parker and Lambert had both a flame thrower and a motion tracker, and were moving across different rooms to collect coolant.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 21, 2024, 09:49:15 PM
Well I'm mistaken then.... still not going for the cat lol.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2024, 10:14:14 PM
If Jonesy had been a dog, Ripley could have just told him to "Get in shuttle?? Go for ride??"
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Feb 21, 2024, 10:55:45 PM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jul 24, 2023, 05:07:32 PMOf course I'm saving the cat... what else will I be eating on the shuttle before cryo? 😂

I stand by this. Cat Kebab FTW. There was no decent food on the Nostromo (but apparently the coffee was good) 🤣
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SM on Feb 21, 2024, 11:02:10 PM
At least you know what it's made of.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SiL on Feb 21, 2024, 11:03:09 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2024, 10:14:14 PMIf Jonesy had been a dog, Ripley could have just told him to "Get in shuttle?? Go for ride??"
No need for a motion tracker either.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SM on Feb 21, 2024, 11:11:44 PM
'No not the main airlock, I said the shuttle. No, the shuttle!  Get down! Don't touch th-'

...

'Oh dear.'
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 22, 2024, 09:38:42 AM
Cats are sneaky by nature. Jones caused Brett to isolate himself and be killed, he gave Ripley one f**ked up jumpscare and put her in a delicate situation afterwards.

Probably wouldn't happen with a dog. Space life lesson : travel with a dog.  ;D
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SM on Feb 22, 2024, 09:50:20 AM
To be fair - Jones just got zapped by a cattleprod.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 22, 2024, 09:52:39 AM
True, that must suck.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Jonjamess on Feb 22, 2024, 04:44:54 PM
Yeah being a dog would have made it worse! My dauschunds would be trying to kill the Alien for just having looked at me. And yeah they wouldn't have succeeded but little dogs don't have concept of what is bigger and deadlier than them. Especially sassy dogs.

And my labrador would be trying to make friends with the Alien, intrigued about who this new animal was and could it perhaps play with her.

Can only imagine if the crew had dogs on board the situation would have been even worse!
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SM on Feb 22, 2024, 09:14:29 PM
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/comicgeeks/comics/covers/large-7430482.jpg?1695694966)
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SiL on Feb 22, 2024, 09:59:25 PM
They did that dog dirty.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: PsyKore on Feb 23, 2024, 12:08:00 PM
My greyhound would just be roaching on a lounge somewhere while all the horror goes down around them. ::)  :laugh:
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 23, 2024, 12:49:02 PM
Aren't they a hunting breed ? Wouldn't they wanna try biting Big Chap's ass ?
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: PsyKore on Feb 25, 2024, 07:38:38 AM
Probably in the long distant past. But bred more for racing over the past century. They tend to have short bursts of energy then sleep for 16 hours.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: dnicholson277 on Mar 03, 2024, 07:48:48 PM
If the cat is easy to get hold of then take with me on route then sure. Also means you don't get distracted by it when the alien sneaks up behind you.

This does highlight something for me though. None of us know how we'd react meeting an alien life form but why aren't the Nostromo crew freaking out more? Finding somewhere to lock themselves into etc? I'd be in a wreck.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 03, 2024, 07:54:48 PM
Everyone is visibly extremely stressed, and everyone freaks out in their own way.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SiL on Mar 03, 2024, 08:24:56 PM
Quote from: dnicholson277 on Mar 03, 2024, 07:48:48 PMFinding somewhere to lock themselves into etc? I'd be in a wreck.
And do what, exactly? It's 10 months to home, they don't have enough air to wait that long. They have to get rid of the Alien.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Neila on Mar 04, 2024, 11:26:57 AM
Alien premiere:
"...and someone in the audience shouted at the cinema screen:
leave the f**king cat...!"

I don't mean that in a bad way, but I just don't believe those who say they would go back...
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 04, 2024, 11:39:19 AM
I went back into a house fire for my pets, the dog and cats, not exactly the same but I have no other comparison.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SiL on Mar 04, 2024, 11:43:21 AM
That's exactly how Ridley justified it. Said he'd go back for his dogs.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Neila on Mar 04, 2024, 11:48:10 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 04, 2024, 11:39:19 AMI went back into a house fire for my pets, the dog and cats, not exactly the same but I have no other comparison.
and that's understandable, because I think you can then assess the situation to some extent. I love animals and would go into a burning house for mine. depending on my chances and how far the fire has progressed...
But it is something completely different if there is something that is trying to take your life and is lurking for you in some corner.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 04, 2024, 11:43:21 AMThat's exactly how Ridley justified it. Said he'd go back for his dogs.
Whether he would actually do it is another matter
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SiL on Mar 04, 2024, 12:04:52 PM
We are forgetting she was armed with a flame thrower.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Neila on Mar 04, 2024, 12:19:44 PM
you still don't know what you're dealing with...
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SiL on Mar 04, 2024, 12:20:54 PM
I'm dealing with adrenaline and a flame thrower.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 04, 2024, 01:21:42 PM
Yeah that must give her something rational to hold onto, even if it's tiny. I have a weapon that I can use in case I encounter this creature and that is something. But I sure hope I won't have to.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Neila on Mar 04, 2024, 01:35:08 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 04, 2024, 12:20:54 PMI'm dealing with adrenaline and a flame thrower.
will that be enough?
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 04, 2024, 02:13:25 PM
For killing it possibly not, but still it is way better than going without it.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Neila on Mar 04, 2024, 02:18:36 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 04, 2024, 02:13:25 PMFor killing it possibly not, but still it is way better than going without it.
that's right.
But the question is whether you would go back to get the cat.
I had already made the comparison with a lion in a big house.
I think even with a gun it would be risky and I wouldn't take the risk.
If you have a wide field and can see the lion from afar, this may still be justifiable. But I wouldn't dare go into a building with nooks and crannies.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 04, 2024, 03:18:29 PM
I understand, I wouldn't be sure of anything to be honest.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SiL on Mar 04, 2024, 07:22:06 PM
I know where the cat is and I have a gun. I'm getting the cat.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 04, 2024, 07:26:32 PM
But Big Chap loves the cat :)

Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 04, 2024, 09:20:05 PM
Yep actually he tried to free Jones when he hit the box ;D
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: dnicholson277 on Mar 04, 2024, 10:36:51 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 03, 2024, 08:24:56 PM
Quote from: dnicholson277 on Mar 03, 2024, 07:48:48 PMFinding somewhere to lock themselves into etc? I'd be in a wreck.
And do what, exactly? It's 10 months to home, they don't have enough air to wait that long. They have to get rid of the Alien.

No idea what they'd do... My point is I'd be shitting myself
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Neila on Mar 05, 2024, 09:33:24 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 04, 2024, 09:20:05 PMYep actually he tried to free Jones when he hit the box ;D

shit,We all completely misjudged big chap.
He didn't want to touch Jonesy at all and he didn't want to hurt Ripley either.
He had just laid down in the narcissus to sleep and wanted to be left alone.
So what happened with the other crew members was purely a misunderstanding.
Ripley is the enemy!
she simply threw him out of the shuttle. witch!

Hopefully Fede can convey this better in the new film and finally get our understanding of the xenos on the right track.
I'm ashamed that we treated this poor creature so badly... :laugh:
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 05, 2024, 09:43:15 AM
How unsensitive we are  :laugh:
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 05, 2024, 04:07:47 PM
I would have not gone for Jones. Maybe for Newt, but the circumstances were much more difficult then.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SiL on Mar 05, 2024, 05:59:21 PM
The circumstances for Newt were worse.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 05, 2024, 06:25:49 PM
Just wanted to say that all y'all saying you wouldn't have saved Jones are objectively and morally wrong and will be the first ones up against the wall when the revolution comes.  >:(

You don't want to be on the wrong side of history, do you?  :'(
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 05, 2024, 06:29:10 PM
I will absolutely die on that hill.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Kradan on Mar 05, 2024, 07:13:18 PM
Quote from: Neila on Dec 06, 2023, 11:24:42 AMAt least when I threw the xeno out of the airlock,
I would have thrown Jonesy after... :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

BWAHAHAHA YES


Quote from: SiL on Mar 04, 2024, 12:04:52 PMWe are forgetting she was armed with a flame thrower.

Didn't do Dallas any good
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 05, 2024, 08:02:45 PM
But pretty sure why he went to the vents like that was that he had a flamethrower in the first place.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Neila on Mar 06, 2024, 11:05:15 AM
Quote from: Wweyland on Mar 05, 2024, 04:07:47 PMI would have not gone for Jones. Maybe for Newt, but the circumstances were much more difficult then.
Why didn't Ripley go back to the nest for the kidnapped marines and even advise against it?
According to the transmission, they were still alive.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 05, 2024, 06:25:49 PMJust wanted to say that all y'all saying you wouldn't have saved Jones are objectively and morally wrong and will be the first ones up against the wall when the revolution comes.  >:(

You don't want to be on the wrong side of history, do you?  :'(
Is your mother's name Selina Kyle by any chance?  :o

Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SM on Mar 06, 2024, 11:52:22 AM
Going after the marines into a nest full of Aliens was suicidal.

When she went after Newt the nest was mostly empty because they were still attacking the colony.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Neila on Mar 06, 2024, 12:53:36 PM
That may be true, but it's just a guess.
initially there were at least a few marines left.
When she was looking for Newt, she was completely alone and she has absolutely no way of knowing exactly how many aliens there are and where.
You could call it a maternal instinct and she was probably ready to die for Newt, but in the end it was a typical Hollywood decision to heighten the drama.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Jonjamess on Mar 06, 2024, 01:18:05 PM
Also if you go by the directors cut you can assume the sentry guns have eliminated a large majority of Aliens.

Ripley has a very rough general idea of how many aliens there were in total as there were 157 colonists. Assuming at least a few colonists died in the initial assault and the rest were impregnated. Then taking into account how many aliens died to the sentry guns and by the Marines themselves, plus the fact the aliens were likely still ransacking the colony looking for any survivors. Its a fairly sure bet Ripley was well aware there were likely only a few Aliens left guarding the nest at the time she went looking for Newt.


I think it's the leading edge board game, well the flash computer version. Where it says at the beginning of the last rescue mission that you need to keep an eye out for Aliens returning to the nest from their assault on Operations.

Such a great game! You can actually come out with everyone surviving but it's really really hard! You can rescue any kidnapped marines (that haven't been killed) on the final mission, as well as Burke and obviously Newt.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 06, 2024, 01:23:34 PM
Quote from: Neila on Mar 06, 2024, 12:53:36 PMYou could call it a maternal instinct and she was probably ready to die for Newt, but in the end it was a typical Hollywood decision to heighten the drama.

That's what Cameron was going for here, yes.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Neila on Mar 06, 2024, 03:01:15 PM
Quote from: Jonjamess on Mar 06, 2024, 01:18:05 PMAlso if you go by the directors cut you can assume the sentry guns have eliminated a large majority of Aliens.

There was no mention in the film that Ripley is going back to the nest because of this speculation. but it is certainly an understandable argument.

Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SM on Mar 06, 2024, 07:57:31 PM
Quote from: Neila on Mar 06, 2024, 12:53:36 PMThat may be true, but it's just a guess.
initially there were at least a few marines left.
When she was looking for Newt, she was completely alone and she has absolutely no way of knowing exactly how many aliens there are and where.
You could call it a maternal instinct and she was probably ready to die for Newt, but in the end it was a typical Hollywood decision to heighten the drama.

It's not a guess. The film shows us a hive full of Aliens earlier and largely empty later on and we know why it was empty.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Cosmic Incubation on Mar 06, 2024, 08:27:41 PM
I doubt very much that Ripley had an exact idea or was even trying to like calculate in her head how many aliens would be waiting for her. I feel like it doesn't really matter to her, since she considered even just one of those things a major threat. So I doubt it made much of a difference to her if there were even 5, 10, 20 waiting for her etc.

Even if there were a hundred in there, I fully believe she would have still tried to save Newt, not caring if she died trying.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SM on Mar 06, 2024, 09:25:29 PM
Very possible. But clearly one of these things is not like the other.

The major threat when Ripley goes in is the meltdown more than anything else.

Quote from: Jonjamess on Mar 06, 2024, 01:18:05 PMAlso if you go by the directors cut you can assume the sentry guns have eliminated a large majority of Aliens.

Ripley has a very rough general idea of how many aliens there were in total as there were 157 colonists. Assuming at least a few colonists died in the initial assault and the rest were impregnated. Then taking into account how many aliens died to the sentry guns and by the Marines themselves, plus the fact the aliens were likely still ransacking the colony looking for any survivors. Its a fairly sure bet Ripley was well aware there were likely only a few Aliens left guarding the nest at the time she went looking for Newt.


I think it's the leading edge board game, well the flash computer version. Where it says at the beginning of the last rescue mission that you need to keep an eye out for Aliens returning to the nest from their assault on Operations.

Such a great game! You can actually come out with everyone surviving but it's really really hard! You can rescue any kidnapped marines (that haven't been killed) on the final mission, as well as Burke and obviously Newt.

The old board game had a scenario where you do exactly what Vasquez suggested and go back in there and get them (ie. anyone taken during the initial ambush). Tried it a couple of times. Everyone died. Didn't even get halfway. 😄
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SiL on Mar 06, 2024, 10:00:17 PM
That game was unforgiving.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 06, 2024, 10:26:27 PM
Did they nerve gas the whole f**king nest?  I guess that wouldn't do Apone and the others any good.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SM on Mar 06, 2024, 11:51:00 PM
Preferable to getting chesterburstered?
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 07, 2024, 12:17:14 AM
I don't know.  Is it like that nerve gas in The Rock?
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 07, 2024, 02:01:18 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2024, 10:00:17 PMThat game was unforgiving.
No joke. There's a Flash version of it on Newgrounds (or at least there was) and it's f**king ridiculous.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2024, 04:02:41 AM
That's the only one I played. Survived Operations maybe twice.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SM on Mar 07, 2024, 05:23:19 AM
I found the physical boardgame a little easier - but only a little. The AP was do-able with maybe half the marines surviving.  Operations was flat out brutal.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Jonjamess on Mar 07, 2024, 07:24:43 AM
Operations level is pretty manageable if you think about how you set up your team turn order.

If you have Drake and Frost survived from the first mission they have flamethrowers, so put them as the last 2 marines to take turns and they can flame the ground blocking the Aliens giving you time to get your team into the air ducts. Then Drake seals the door and by that point most of your team is over half way or almost through the ducts.

Obviously put Newt as first in turn order and Ripley second as Newt needs to tell you which way to go in the ducts.

I find the last mission the hardest.

My record is everyone lived once except Dietrich who was left cocooned in the hive!
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2024, 09:18:44 AM
Yeah Operations is a lot easier with flamethrowers.

My trouble was getting the flame throwers to survive.

I wonder if the flash version is still available
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Jonjamess on Mar 07, 2024, 08:08:43 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2024, 09:18:44 AMYeah Operations is a lot easier with flamethrowers.

My trouble was getting the flame throwers to survive.

I wonder if the flash version is still available

It's still online. Just Google aliens flash game and it comes up top.

Yeah the first hive mission is tricky get 100% survival but absolutely doable!

Turn order in first mission I go Vasquez, Drake, Apone, Hicks, the 3 pistol guys, then the rest any order.

This is a bit off topic about Jonesy now I apologise.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Neila on Mar 11, 2024, 08:11:47 AM
Quote from: Jonjamess on Mar 07, 2024, 08:08:43 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2024, 09:18:44 AMYeah Operations is a lot easier with flamethrowers.

My trouble was getting the flame throwers to survive.

I wonder if the flash version is still available

It's still online. Just Google aliens flash game and it comes up top.

Yeah the first hive mission is tricky get 100% survival but absolutely doable!

Turn order in first mission I go Vasquez, Drake, Apone, Hicks, the 3 pistol guys, then the rest any order.

This is a bit off topic about Jonesy now I apologise.

no apology necessary.
That was my mistake and it started when I went off on a tangent and said that Ripley went back to the nest for Newt and not for the Marines.. :)
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Scott Conover on May 06, 2024, 06:12:58 AM
If I gotta leave Jones behind, I will. No hesitation. No way am I wasting oxygen on that little f**ker, he ain't coming on my ship.

And tbh if Jones jumpscared me like that while I'm trying to avoid big chap and I'm trying to escape, I'm torching the dude.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Local Trouble on May 06, 2024, 06:18:46 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2023, 08:28:28 AMNope.

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Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on May 06, 2024, 09:24:29 AM
Quote from: Scott Conover on May 06, 2024, 06:12:58 AMIf I gotta leave Jones behind, I will. No hesitation. No way am I wasting oxygen on that little f**ker, he ain't coming on my ship.

And tbh if Jones jumpscared me like that while I'm trying to avoid big chap and I'm trying to escape, I'm torching the dude.

Not a cat person huh ?  ;D
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SiL on May 06, 2024, 12:27:22 PM
Jonesy's cat box had its own oxygen supply.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on May 06, 2024, 12:51:50 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 06, 2024, 12:27:22 PMJonesy's cat box had its own oxygen supply.

I've seen a concept art of the box by Ron Cobb, but it's not mentioned in the movie right ?
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SiL on May 06, 2024, 12:57:14 PM
Argh, it's only on the concept art.

I mean there's greebles on the side that could well be air supply but no, it's not as explicit as the art.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Darwinsgirl on May 06, 2024, 01:26:46 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 06, 2024, 12:27:22 PMJonesy's cat box had its own oxygen supply.

In an emergency it could double as his space suit if oxygen was absent on the ship.

This has been a very entertaining thread. ;D

I'm an animal person.

Started out as a dog person. Then circumstances I ended up with a feral cat. Then I rescued a orange tiger kitten from a 4 lane hwy. "Jonesy" I thought that was fate being an ALIEN fan.

Yes I'd go back for the cat.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 06, 2024, 02:18:05 PM
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Scott Conover on May 06, 2024, 11:16:12 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 06, 2024, 09:24:29 AM
Quote from: Scott Conover on May 06, 2024, 06:12:58 AMIf I gotta leave Jones behind, I will. No hesitation. No way am I wasting oxygen on that little f**ker, he ain't coming on my ship.

And tbh if Jones jumpscared me like that while I'm trying to avoid big chap and I'm trying to escape, I'm torching the dude.

Not a cat person huh ?  ;D

Love cats. But I'm more of a staying alive person
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SM on May 07, 2024, 02:16:00 AM
Ripley stayed alive.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: [cancerblack] on May 07, 2024, 09:01:33 AM
She stayed the most alive out of anyone and nobody can prove it's not because she went back for the cat during the first encounter.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SM on May 07, 2024, 09:12:54 AM
Precisement.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: SiL on May 07, 2024, 09:49:56 AM
Ripley going for the cat saved her from two separate encounters.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: Local Trouble on May 07, 2024, 05:19:08 PM
Ripley, Parker and Lambert would all have lived if they'd just remembered there was a third cryotube in the shuttle and left right away.

They may have been long gone by the time someone remembered the damn cat.
Title: Re: Okay, one single question - go back for Jonesy or no?
Post by: E. Shaw on May 08, 2024, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 07, 2024, 05:19:08 PMRipley, Parker and Lambert would all have lived if they'd just remembered there was a third cryotube in the shuttle and left right away.

They may have been long gone by the time someone remembered the damn cat.

Panic makes people forget lol.