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There’s a lot of intricate details contained within the teaser trailer so I thought it was worth doing an analysis of the thing for everybody to read. Here’s my Prometheus Teaser Trailer Analysis. It’s just my take on everything we’ve seen and how the scenes might fit together. I've tried to put the scenes in some sort of chronological order of when they happen in the movie. There’s still a huge amount we don’t know about the film so hopefully some scenes will become clearer when more media is released.

 Once again, it’s just my opinion, and not necessarily fact.

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i think you may have most of that correct but i think the road trip shot is after all the ampule room stuff just before the jockey head scan because theyre clearly heading back to the ship and not away.

i also think the ufo waterfall shot may be right at the beginning explaining the jockeys visiting earth.

thanks

rich

The supposed jockey (bald pale guy) next to the chair have suit very reminescent to those worn by other member of the crew. He probably is mutated human.


But there is one other thing. This saucer above waterfall is nothing like derelict. Maybe bald guy is another alien being not related to humans or Jockeys?

I'm theorizing part of shaw being wrong is the fact they think it is the jockey's who created man when it isn't. 

Then again, if the ship is seeding life at the beggining of time on earth, thats billions of years ago.  Their tech might've changed in that time.........

Quote from: Master on Dec 23, 2011, 06:18:20 PM

But there is one other thing. This saucer above waterfall is nothing like derelict. Maybe bald guy is another alien being not related to humans or Jockeys?

I mentioned in another thread that the black, disc shape which is above the waterfall might be the opening / exit to a wormhole.  This would go along with some of the rumors about time travel, and Earth in the distant past.

Quote from: deuterium on Dec 23, 2011, 06:56:56 PM

Quote from: Master on Dec 23, 2011, 06:18:20 PM

But there is one other thing. This saucer above waterfall is nothing like derelict. Maybe bald guy is another alien being not related to humans or Jockeys?

I mentioned in another thread that the black, disc shape which is above the waterfall might be the opening / exit to a wormhole.  This would go along with some of the rumors about time travel, and Earth in the distant past.

there was also rumours it would have a narrated beginning about earth and also that narrator from ancient aliens has some sort of voice job on the movie. so it could be either or both! lol

thanks

rich

It could be at the beginning, I agree. It just feels like something they'd tell a bit later on so that we have some kind context before we see it.

I'm still keeping faith that the space jockey will be more alien than human.... but excited either way. I keep thinking about Noomi saying we follow her character till the end of the film, yet, when observing the trailer, it becomes very apparent that she (Noomi) will be undergoing some sort of transformation, or experience that I would imagine would take her out of the film sooner.

Also, didn't Fassbender mention that he had a blast being killed by an alien on set? Are we to conclude that their will be horrifying creatures some where in this film. I have the original leaked teaser and there is definitively a clip in it that looks very alien, and less human...

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Quote from: invertyourcross on Dec 23, 2011, 07:18:37 PM
Also, didn't Fassbender mention that he had a blast being killed by an alien on set?
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Rafe Spall did.

The prometheus colliding with the engineer ship must occur for some reason. Who is willing to sacrifice their ship to prevent the other from leaving?

Quote from: Face Jockey on Dec 23, 2011, 08:17:34 PM
The prometheus colliding with the engineer ship must occur for some reason. Who is willing to sacrifice their ship to prevent the other from leaving?

rumour has it that its a blaze of glory last moment from captain janek to stop the space jockeys/engineers leaving to destroy earth.

thanks

rich

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 23, 2011, 08:21:00 PM

Quote from: Face Jockey on Dec 23, 2011, 08:17:34 PM
The prometheus colliding with the engineer ship must occur for some reason. Who is willing to sacrifice their ship to prevent the other from leaving?

rumour has it that its a blaze of glory last moment from captain janek to stop the space jockeys/engineers leaving to destroy earth.

thanks

rich

Are planetary engineers going to wipe out earth because some android tried to swipe their tech? Also, there would have to be some way for the humans to communicate with the Engineer(s) to even know that's that they were planning.

They might be using some form of thelepatic link.

Quote from: Face Jockey on Dec 23, 2011, 08:28:24 PM

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 23, 2011, 08:21:00 PM

Quote from: Face Jockey on Dec 23, 2011, 08:17:34 PM
The prometheus colliding with the engineer ship must occur for some reason. Who is willing to sacrifice their ship to prevent the other from leaving?

rumour has it that its a blaze of glory last moment from captain janek to stop the space jockeys/engineers leaving to destroy earth.

thanks

rich

Are planetary engineers going to wipe out earth because some android tried to swipe their tech? Also, there would have to be some way for the humans to communicate with the Engineer(s) to even know that's that they were planning.

no idea how it plays out or why but some of the images appear to match the rumours like the look on janeks face, a collision between two craft and the jockey ship hitting the ground.

thanks

rich

I posted what I thought of the trailer on Page 26 of Trailor forum.  Great recap, mostly agree.  And I didn't know Shaw got pregos, explaining all the rape discussion I thought was coming from no where.

First off, Vickers doing push ups is the second most important scene. Right after her getting into the escape pod.  And yeah, that looks more like an escape pod.  Any insider info if Vickers is an android, too?

Do you have a high res of the Map Room?  It's not Vickers?  Though David sorta makes more sense.

I thought the cloud shots looked like two different scenes, also.

Your sort of implying David created the xenos?

I think the mutant scene that seems like a facehugger is just editing.  Watch that scene on super slow mo and it looks like his face is melting away.  he jaw and nose are gone by the lase scene.  I don't think this is Holloway.

I also don't think Holloway is the same mutant jumping off the truck.  That mutant is in a different suit, the same kind of suit the guy with the flamethrower has at the start of the trailor.  Holloway was in a tight blue suit most of his scenes.

I am guessing (maybe hoping) big blue Engineer scenes are part of prologue rather the main movie.

The way the debri is falling / smoking it looks like you got the ship crashing right.  Def Vickers and Shaw running away at the end.  But when this happens?

Any word on Patrick Wilson and Guy Pearce's roles?  They are listed on IMDB.  I am guessing one might be old bald guy and the other might be WY corporate (Pearce).

That scene with red laser lights in the cave, I think that's some kind of tool the Prometheus crew are using to survey the inside of cave/tunnel

Where the noomi scenes are, where you think they happen at different times, i dont think they do,
in the first shot shes standing up outside an open hanger, with dust rapidly approacing,
the next shots a reverse, we can see in the hanger from outside, then the dust cloud from the previous shot hits her.

same scene i believe.

shot 1: shes standing outside of hanger to the edge, looking to right holding bag in hands, dust incoming fast

shot 2: shes looking to HER right still, hands out of shot, dust hits

shot 2: blown back past the hanger, (its on the left)

Also, we see noomi get blown super fast along the planet surface, youre gonna get some nasty bruises and friction burns from that! hence the "beaten up" shots.

I've just read it Darkness and I like it. I see things differently now. I was too obsessed with PARADISE. Your analysis have cleared my head but I'm still thinking that the Mutants will at the end looks like badass Biomechanical creatures.

like what we saw in the first leaked trailer (the one with a black smooth skinned snake/creature) i think the classic alien (which looks mechanical) comes from space jockey who from the trailer looks mechanical (when not in chair) so when it comes from us it looks more organic? just a theory.does anyone still have that first leaked trailer? i saw it once online but didn't download it :(

Quote from: Miker25 on Dec 23, 2011, 09:48:10 PM
That scene with red laser lights in the cave, I think that's some kind of tool the Prometheus crew are using to survey the inside of cave/tunnel

I know they're not the same, but I sort of connected the lasers in Prometheus with the laser in ALIEN, the blue mist over the eggs.  Just a thought!

are these rocks meant to look like faces? are there more of this cone shaped face rocks?

is this a big blue guy in the backround?

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oh and regarding the urn contents

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i agree the urns have the potential to turn into face huggers... especially with the egg like sacks & ridged internal?

^^In 1080p. It's weird. What is that ? ??? It looks like a humanoid or it's nothing. Don't know
Edit: I've watch it in motion. It doesn't move. It's nothing.
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Well i for one really dont like the direction this is going in, ridley scott seems to have messed up his own creation now sadly. Think they should have just left the space jockey with the mystery behind it. Not telling us its a human in a suit and everyone goes crazy and mutates. Alien and predator franchise are completely dead now.

Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 23, 2011, 10:19:38 PM
^^In 1080p. It's weird. What is that ? ??? It looks like a humanoid or it's nothing. Don't know
Edit: I've watch it in motion. It doesn't move. It's nothing.
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Hehe, did thesame ;)

LOL. I thought that was Charlize Theron that gets blown back by the dust.

something strange with the sequence of the derelict ship hitting the ground. i watched the trailer frame by frame
and you can clearly see a lot of fire and smoke coming from the middle when its still very high, but then you see
the scene where the ship touches the ground, the derelict is clean, no smoke no fire from that same place. Are
these scenes are out of order? i dont believe its an error.

I think all the fire is from the Prometheus. The derelict hardly gets damaged by the explosion.

QuoteAfter the official release of the "Prometheus" trailer, TotalFilm caught up with Charlize Theron to find out whether her character will be similar to Sigourney Weaver's iconic Ripley role.

"No, I actually don't play the heroine in it; that's Noomi Rapace (Sherlock Holmes 2). I play somewhat of a villain in it," she replied. "She's not a believer, she's not a scientist, she is the red tape that everyone has to go through."

Theron continued: "She's working with the company that's sponsoring this whole thing and you can feel she definitely has an agenda, which we pick up in the third act. She's more quiet thunder."

It sounds like her role will be similar to Paul Reiser's Carter Burke character in "Aliens."

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Sabotage, anybody?

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I`ve just noticed piramid in the bacground. Hmmm...

^Where ?

Quote from: Master on Dec 23, 2011, 11:32:01 PM
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I`ve just noticed piramid in the bacground. Hmmm...

Where?

Top left hand corner.

Quote from: Master on Dec 23, 2011, 11:32:01 PM
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I`ve just noticed piramid in the bacground. Hmmm...

I assumed that was the other horseshoe portion of the derelict style ship?

I personally believe this could be the same Space Jokey we see in Alien and the same planet...keep in mind Alien could be based hundreds of years after this movie what whatever might occur in this movie might explain the state of the planet in Alien.... I could be wrong, its just my prediction.

I think alot of us who have predicted where this movie might be going will end up being surprised when we all see it.

It's only teaser what we have seen yet...Teaser, not trailer. Best things are not shown to us, believe me.

I hope the Prometheus only gets damaged not destroyed.  Also it is very possible the landing gear seen on the ground in flames came from the MAGELLAN and not the PROMETHEUS and that the MAGELLAN was the ship that intentionally crashed into the alien attack vessel.

I also think the seen where the Captain of the Prometheus is gaping and there is orange in his eyes is occurring at the exact moment when the Magellan and alien craft collide.  Make sense?

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Quote from: Miker25 on Dec 23, 2011, 09:48:10 PM
That scene with red laser lights in the cave, I think that's some kind of tool the Prometheus crew are using to survey the inside of cave/tunnel

I totally agree because the crew members studying materials on the ground don't even look up when the red lights are scanning all over the inside of the cave.

Quote from: ryanjayhawk on Dec 23, 2011, 11:50:12 PM

Quote from: Master on Dec 23, 2011, 11:32:01 PM
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I`ve just noticed piramid in the bacground. Hmmm...

I assumed that was the other horseshoe portion of the derelict style ship?

Assumed so too, it's moving.

been following the development of the film for a while and decided to sign up at last! One thing i'm wondering about is the guy in the wheelchair in the scene with david kneeling down and what we are all assuming is rappace covered in blood

There is something odd about him, he seems to me to have something around the back of his head and a line going up the side of his face, and across his scalp? i've photoshoped the image and burned the colour a bit to make it more obvious but you can see it if you zoom in on the stills from the trailer


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edit to add, i'm probably seeing things, but could this bald guy be patrick wilson i'e the cacooned man?

pic of wilson http://www.imdb.com/media/rm385389568/nm0933940 (http://www.imdb.com/media/rm385389568/nm0933940)

I'm looking at it differently now. Good review boss. I've been too excited to actually think about what I'm seeing.

The downside is I actually have many more questions now  :laugh:

Quote from: Darkness on Dec 23, 2011, 11:29:52 PM
I think all the fire is from the Prometheus. The derelict hardly gets damaged by the explosion.

if you look closly you will see a large amount of fire is coming from the derelict

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Quote from: ryanjayhawk on Dec 23, 2011, 11:50:12 PM

Quote from: Master on Dec 23, 2011, 11:32:01 PM
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I`ve just noticed piramid in the bacground. Hmmm...

I assumed that was the other horseshoe portion of the derelict style ship?

took me bloody ages to work out what part of the derelict was crashing into the ground. Its the front end. duh

Alright, this will be an arduously long post where I first try to clear some of the confusion regarding certain plot elements and then I will continue to post my take on what's the movie is about. As for my research, if you can call it that, I've viewed all the footage of the trailer, comic-con footage which people seem to have forgotten about, sets pictures, articles and sky.com leaks/news.

'The movie will not involve any xenos or things resembling them.' - Wrong
Answer and source: "Despite that press release that seemed to indicate there were no aliens in the movie, the familiar HR Giger-style aliens do appear. Big ones apparently."
"An exclusive source has told us that not only are HR Giger's classic aliens in it, but that they're integral to the plot." - source to sky.com 04022011
'Then you mature and ask what are the tasks at hand, and he said: 'You've got a tall order here because you have to do something that's better than Giger' Now you're scaring me, because I just don't know if that can be done.' - Neville Page, Creature designer on Prometheus.

'The movie will be at LV-426'
Answer and source: Unclear at this point. No definite answer. But considering the look of that planet to the planet we see in the trailer, the answer is probably not. Also, Lindelof said in an interview that the ending will NOT be the derelict ship at LV-426.


'The ship in the trailer, is that the derelict ship or not? How is it piloted controlled and by whom?'
Answer and source: Lindelof denying that the end will be the derelict ship at LV-426. So the answer is that it is not the derelict ship.
'people are going to be in for a shock when they sit down to watch Prometheus and there's an enormous semi-human head piloting a spaceship.' - source to sky.com. - The big head seen in footage then, geez..

'Is the space jockey the man in the corner in one of the trailer pics?' - Probably not
Answer and source: An eight foot animatronic will be the space jockey - source to sky.com
If it was a human, then they wouldn't need animatronic.

According to rape scenes, mutation and so on - no sources, so why assume it? Just assumptions. The comic-con footage showed elizabeth shaw being examinated around her belly though. Here's an excerpt from a guy who has viewed the comic-con footage:
There is Charlize Theron on a table with bandages wrapped around her breasts, as though she's waking from hypersleep.

And then the footage gets faster and more furious, with a guy in a visor looking down at something, a woman in a suit walking into a red entryway, and a globe, and then Scott says, "The cast find an establishment which is not what they expected it to be, it's a civilization but what we find in it is very uncivilized behavior." And then there is insane carnage and people with goop inside their space helmets and someone shooting a flamethrower, and mayhem breaking loose in confined spaces. Meanwhile, Scott's voiceover is saying that there will be biomechanoids and the film will "break new ground." We see a giant pale planet with rings around it."

Biomechanoids confirmed, bandages.. the scenes we've seen from the trailer? Probably not mutation in the scene with holloway and the helmet, as they walk around with goop inside their helmets.

My take on the plot

They arrive at the planet. They drive out the temple, find the urns. David takes one of them back to the spaceship for investigation. Meanwhile, the rest of the team continue to investigate the site, when the shit goes down with the goo in the helmets. The urn, which is now in the spaceship, now infect certain team members which causes them to mutate/change. The giant head, which is the pilot/remnant of the space jockeys, pilots the jockey ship after it discovers that one of the urns are stolen, which is of course forbidden (stealing fire from the gods - prometheus).

The rest of the crew, who has survived the goo in helmet thingie, run in panic away from the temple, and drives back to their ship. Notice that its just one car back to the ship in trailer, while there are like 4 viechles going there. Shaw stands at the door to the viechle bay, and see everything just explode in a dust storm as the ship emerges / take off. They haven't noticed yet that jockey ship has emerged, just the storm/bad weather. Meanwhile, one of the crew members inside the ship have gotten infected due to davids urn, and jumps towards the surviving crew members from the temple as in the scene. He escapes and jumps into the jockey ship where we see his final form in one scene. Now the surving crew members are being analyzed and shaw is identified as having something in her abodomen, shit goes down in the ship for now.

Later more chaos begins, in which we see vickers jumping into an escape pod, the derelict ship crashing down probably due to prometheus crashing into it to destroy it.

Alot of gaps and holes to fills, but thats my take. Where xenos and the actual jockeys fit in, I don't know.

I think the debris on the ground is not the landing gear but the escape pods that in the earlier scene you see Charlize getting into the escape pod..so yeah she must have known and sabotaged it to hit the other ship.. but I really shouldn't look too much into it because I'd rather just experience it in the movie theater. lol don't wanna spoil it too much. Overall I think its going to be awesome.. while I agree I think it would be better to make the jockey's more mysterious or perhaps still dead and the other mutants are something else but still I like the direction their going.. it makes sense if the jockeys are the suits for the actual creator aliens. man its going to be awesome!

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I think the Aliens themselves maybe are part of that riddle we hear about..what came first the chicken or the egg? I bet the facehuggers will have more to do with the story then the actual evolution into Aliens.

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well Im sure evolution will be explained to but I mean they will focus on the beginning and facehuggers.

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As another member has already mentioned, the guy's mohawk is not a result of mutation.  You can see some kind of crew member with a mohawk in the above photo.

This is also not Holloway.  Not only does Holloway not have a mohawk, but in the promo stills, he has a special, "Mark II" (As seen on a sticker on his suit) design on his suit, which is different and more layered than David and Shaw's spacesuits.  Jumping mohawk man has a Mark I space suit in the screenshot - Holloway does not.

Holloway must get screwed in some other way.

Quote from: ikarop on Dec 24, 2011, 01:41:31 AM
Some related analysis. There's something in background of the image they used for the official Youtube channel:

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Looks like a claw to me.

I am thinking this and maybe the thing everyone thinks is a snake/worm/whatever, is actually the eagle logo you see at the beginning of the footage.

Quote from: Space_Dementia on Dec 23, 2011, 11:51:07 PM
Alien could be based hundreds of years after this movie what whatever might occur in this movie

The director and writer already confirmed when it takes place and that it's not the same ship.

Quote from: Some Mothers Do Have Em! on Dec 24, 2011, 03:23:37 AM
Looks like a claw to me.

Looks more like a simple repeat of the same astronaut image in shadow.

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@ Kol

Looks like you did A LOT of research  :o

Just EPIC  8)

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Kol, I am not saying you are wrong, given the ignorance, ineptitude and stupidity within Hollywood...and please don't take this the wrong way...but you can shove the "Nazca Lines", "Nebra Sky Disc", "Easter Island monuments" and all other Von Daniken BULLSHIT right back up his ARSE!  And if you believe any of that shit, save some room in your canal as well, with all due respect.

And pre-emptively, I formally apologize for the vitriol in this last post, which was NOT directed at Kol, per se, but as a Scientist , I am sick of this Pseudo-Science BULLSHIT !!

In the interest of Full Disclosure, I am a devout Catholic...but I have no conflict with my religious/spiritual Faith and my acceptance of Physics/Mathematics, Evolutionary Theory, etc.  Von Daniken and his fradulent Bullshit have no place either in spirtual Belief/Faith, or in real Science.

Von Daniken and all his ilk are the equivelent of 20th/21st Century "Snake Oil" salesmen.  It is truly SAD TIMES when formely legitimate networks such as "The History Channel" give time and voice to fringe/pseudo-science nonsense such as "ancient aliens", and "monster hunters", just to name a few of their fringe programming.  Don't get me wrong, the History Channel still has some decent documentaries, that are based upon real PEER-REVIEWED research...but they dilute their legitimacy by airing BULLSHIT programs that target the ignorance of uncritical, and uneducated minds.  Examples of which are entire programs dedicated to "dowsing rods", "Homeopathy cures", "Ancient Aliens", "The Bermuda Triangle", "Monsterquest", "UFO Hunters", the Paranormal, etc., etc.

Oy...

Dude, relax. :) The film's going to incorporate the ET interventionist hypothesis and there's nothing you can do about it!

Seriously, if it's portrayed with an effective atmosphere and convincingly so, why not put it in a story dealing with dark Lovecraftian themes? It's as good as any other. You might as well protest the original film for portraying a creature able to grow from the size of a snake to larger than man without apparently consuming any mass for being 'unscientific', too. ;)

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 24, 2011, 07:16:00 AM
Oy...

Dude, relax. :) The film's going to incorporate the ET interventionist hypothesis and there's nothing you can do about it!

Seriously, if it's portrayed with an effective atmosphere and convincingly so, why not put it in a story dealing with dark Lovecraftian themes? It's as good as any other. You might as well protest the original film for portraying a creature able to grow from the size of a snake to larger than man without apparently consuming any mass for being 'unscientific', too. ;)

Yeah, you are right.  In the immortal words of MST3K..."Just repeat to myself, "It's just a show,
I should really just relax".

I'm good with it, and as I said at the beginning of my post, I AM looking very much forward to this film.  And again, my diatribe was not directed at Kol, and his obvious impressive research (even if it is, IMHO, research based upon faulty pseudo-science).

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Beauitful trailer and awesome screenshots

anyone notice the fox logo at the beginning and the static blips at the end are exactly like the helmet cams from the nostromo crew, even the sound fx

Quote from: m138jewski on Dec 24, 2011, 07:42:45 AM
anyone notice the fox logo at the beginning and the static blips at the end are exactly like the helmet cams from the nostromo crew, even the sound fx

I was wondering that too

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The chap on the left is wearing glasses. Do we know who this may be?

Anyone got any thought on the look on his face when the red lasers come on? Could be many, unfortunately, from "What's that?" to "Yep, their working fine."

Another thing I'd be grateful for your input is the guy getting acid on his helmet.

Can anyone tell whether the left of his forehead (his right) has been hit? It appears that he may have.

Also, can anyone confirm whether he's wearing one of those yellow flying cap caps over his head? From what I can make out I think he isn't. The only two people I've seen in the teaser that are not wearing the caps are the two men firing their weapons.

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lol I just noticed the cat looking hieroglyph with the odd elongated head and protrusions at the neck. Looks a little xeno to me. :P

commendable job.  ;D although it's a little unclear, should have posted in the order it was shown. Great Job though.

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The chap on the left is wearing glasses. Do we know who this may be?

Anyone got any thought on the look on his face when the red lasers come on? Could be many, unfortunately, from "What's that?" to "Yep, their working fine."

Another thing I'd be grateful for your input is the guy getting acid on his helmet.

Can anyone tell whether the left of his forehead (his right) has been hit? It appears that he may have.

Also, can anyone confirm whether he's wearing one of those yellow flying cap caps over his head? From what I can make out I think he isn't. The only two people I've seen in the teaser that are not wearing the caps are the two men firing their weapons.

Cheers,

Paul

There's another breakdown i just read that says it's rafe spall.

I guess with the space jockey being fossilised it was there for tens of thousands of years, makes sense that this ship is another. Thanks for doing this analysis, greatly appreciated :)

Nooo pls not the foosilised-thing again...
Imagine he would've said "LOOKS LIKE shit" when he first saw the SJ...would it be made of shit then?

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And pre-emptively, I formally apologize for the vitriol in this last post, which was NOT directed at Kol, per se, but as a Scientist , I am sick of this Pseudo-Science BULLSHIT !!

In the interest of Full Disclosure, I am a devout Catholic...but I have no conflict with my religious/spiritual Faith and my acceptance of Physics/Mathematics, Evolutionary Theory, etc.  Von Daniken and his fradulent Bullshit have no place either in spirtual Belief/Faith, or in real Science.

Von Daniken and all his ilk are the equivelent of 20th/21st Century "Snake Oil" salesmen.  It is truly SAD TIMES when formely legitimate networks such as "The History Channel" give time and voice to fringe/pseudo-science nonsense such as "ancient aliens", and "monster hunters", just to name a few of their fringe programming.  Don't get me wrong, the History Channel still has some decent documentaries, that are based upon real PEER-REVIEWED research...but they dilute their legitimacy by airing BULLSHIT programs that target the ignorance of uncritical, and uneducated minds.  Examples of which are entire programs dedicated to "dowsing rods", "Homeopathy cures", "Ancient Aliens", "The Bermuda Triangle", "Monsterquest", "UFO Hunters", the Paranormal, etc., etc.

I agree that all this nazca, egyptian-ufo-aliens  etc pseudo science thing its lame and boring. I dont want anything of this in this or any other movie again. Anyway, Mr Deuterium, I have to say that criticise this and then claim that you are catholic...well..ehem ehem...You say your faith and catholicism does not conflict with your scientific side, well. If it does not conflict is because either you dont really believe one or another, or because you just pick the parts of each one that are more convenient to you. For me, when u have a scientific brain, you can not be catholic or believe in any other religion. (you can have faith maybe). For me, all religions are the pure negation of science, ration, comon sense , logic and freedom. But Each one is free to believe whatever they want. At least Ovnis and alien shit dont tell you what to do. (well, scientologist madness do I thing...)...

Just my opinion, not triying to anoy anyone.

Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 24, 2011, 09:51:36 AM
Nooo pls not the foosilised-thing again...
Imagine he would've said "LOOKS LIKE shit" when he first saw the SJ...would it be made of shit then?

Umm no because 'fossilised' is a very distinctive description 'looks like shit' is slang   ???

LOOKS LIKE means LOOKS LIKE and not IS.

Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 24, 2011, 12:44:30 PM
LOOKS LIKE means LOOKS LIKE and not IS.

I liked the folsilized idea too.

I like it as well BUT it is no fact at all, it can look fossilised without being fossilised.

Regarding the spinny red disco lights, i believe they are human scanning tech, remember the big floating scanner from aliens at the start? had a blue glow though.

it comes in and scans just after the pod door gets cut open.

Quote from: marsekay on Dec 24, 2011, 01:30:43 PM
Regarding the spinny red disco lights, i believe they are human scanning tech, remember the big floating scanner from aliens at the start? had a blue glow though.

it comes in and scans just after the pod door gets cut open.

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Okay...where is the last picture from? It doesn't seem remotely familiar to me.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 24, 2011, 04:51:17 PM
Okay...where is the last picture from? It doesn't seem remotely familiar to me.

i dont recognise it either, looks like a computer game cut scene rather than a movie.

looks like a cross between avatar and tron! avatron!

thanks

rich

I hope that figure in the engineer room isnt the space jockey i want to see something less humanoid and more alien like, i dont mean alien as in a xeno though

Maybe the Saucer over the waterfalls is a different race of beings, who seed life among the galaxy and the SJ are malevolent beings who created xenos and such to destroy their work? Afterall, the facehugger design seems to me, customized for humans or bipedal humanoids... just a thought!

Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 24, 2011, 12:46:11 PM

Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 24, 2011, 12:44:30 PM
LOOKS LIKE means LOOKS LIKE and not IS.

I liked the folsilized idea too.

yeah i do too, and as humans have been around 150,000 years i have no problem with that derelict being there a very long time. Anyway Merry X-Mas all :)

Is there a shot of Roomis' stomach expanding anywhere? I missed that...

Noomi...

Quote from: deuterium on Dec 24, 2011, 06:07:59 AMKol, I am not saying you are wrong, given the ignorance, ineptitude and stupidity within Hollywood...and please don't take this the wrong way...but you can shove the "Nazca Lines", "Nebra Sky Disc", "Easter Island monuments" and all other Von Daniken BULLSHIT right back up his ARSE!

I'm with you on the hating of Daniken and his minions, but there are aspects of these stories that do remain mysterious and because of that make for good speculative fiction, as long as said fiction doesn't rewrite what we know. We know that the Nebra Sky Disc is a decorative piece of Bronze Age bric-a-brac, and that the Easter Island statues are depictions of ancestors and chiefs carved by the Polynesians. But we don't know how life began or exactly how human evolution has tracked, and we don't know whether extraterrestrials exist or not. You can put these things together and make a good story.

-Chris

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 24, 2011, 04:51:17 PM
Okay...where is the last picture from? It doesn't seem remotely familiar to me.

I believe that image is from the very good Batman Arkham City game, its Mr Freeze without his armour.

Who says the Spacejockies all look the same?
Maybe the Spacejockey we see in the imagetrailer has to evolve even further....maybe....

Quote from: 343 on Dec 25, 2011, 10:01:48 PM
Who says the Spacejockies all look the same?
Maybe the Spacejockey we see in the imagetrailer has to evolve even further....maybe....

Oh great, if that is true that could mean that a space jockey was abandoned on earth as punishment for stealing something to give to the monkeys he made... he then had sex with them giving birth to humans.

its interesting how everyone including me are analyzing and almost trying
to figured out the plot. but this movie has just entered its phase of
post production and with only a teaser, they manage to show some beautiful
finished cgi shots, especially the derelict ship. now they have i think until
early may to finish all the cgi shots. i think Ridley deliberated rush this
shots to turn our attention so, how many important shots are we missed? are
we have enough images to figured out something concrete?

Quote from: Bayo on Dec 25, 2011, 11:31:20 PM
its interesting how everyone including me are analyzing and almost trying
to figured out the plot. but this movie has just entered its phase of
post production and with only a teaser, they manage to show some beautiful
finished cgi shots, especially the derelict ship. now they have i think until
early may to finish all the cgi shots. i think Ridley deliberated rush this
shots to turn our attention so, how many important shots are we missed? are
we have enough images to figured out something concrete?

It's Christmas! What else do you expect us to do? Sit around the dinner table listening to boring ass stories?

A couple years ago someone I know began sclupting a 2 foot long Queens head. Being a bigger fan than they and knowing more about the films I was asked about my theories about the origins of the aliens and the derelict....

>spoilers>

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I read the original Dark Horse AvP graphic novel. Seemed to me that the Predators were aware of or at war or once had been at war with the Space Jockeys and captured some of thier tech & creatures for warfare or hunting/rite of passage rituals. The derelict on LV-426 appeared to be a bomber-of-sorts, perhaps a gene-seeding terraforming craft, but the uses for warfare are obvious. It was possibly crippled or shot down by Predators who themselves were unaware, unable or unwilling to salvage the derelict, given that Prometheus artwork suggests a Jockey with a now famous Predator shoulder cannon. Considering the original Jockey appeared to be more than just a biomechanical suit and more a complete being I'm hoping this will be about the derelct from Alien and that it will be on LV-426 and how it got there. I also find it noteworthy that there appears to be a form of language written on the 'sarcaphogus' which immediately reminds me of the Predators/Yautja language.

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Anyway, all this speculation is fun. I was 10 when Alien came out and boy this is gonna be epic!

Quote from: Bayo on Dec 25, 2011, 11:31:20 PM
its interesting how everyone including me are analyzing and almost trying
to figured out the plot. but this movie has just entered its phase of
post production and with only a teaser, they manage to show some beautiful
finished cgi shots, especially the derelict ship. now they have i think until
early may to finish all the cgi shots. i think Ridley deliberated rush this
shots to turn our attention so, how many important shots are we missed? are
we have enough images to figured out something concrete?

I was surprised at how good the CGI looks six months before the film is coming out. I suspect there will be a lot more crazy stuff that the teaser doesn't even hint at.

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Kol, I am not saying you are wrong, given the ignorance, ineptitude and stupidity within Hollywood...and please don't take this the wrong way...but you can shove the "Nazca Lines", "Nebra Sky Disc", "Easter Island monuments" and all other Von Daniken BULLSHIT right back up his ARSE!  And if you believe any of that shit, save some room in your canal as well, with all due respect.

And pre-emptively, I formally apologize for the vitriol in this last post, which was NOT directed at Kol, per se, but as a Scientist , I am sick of this Pseudo-Science BULLSHIT !!

In the interest of Full Disclosure, I am a devout Catholic...but I have no conflict with my religious/spiritual Faith and my acceptance of Physics/Mathematics, Evolutionary Theory, etc.  Von Daniken and his fradulent Bullshit have no place either in spirtual Belief/Faith, or in real Science.

Von Daniken and all his ilk are the equivelent of 20th/21st Century "Snake Oil" salesmen.  It is truly SAD TIMES when formely legitimate networks such as "The History Channel" give time and voice to fringe/pseudo-science nonsense such as "ancient aliens", and "monster hunters", just to name a few of their fringe programming.  Don't get me wrong, the History Channel still has some decent documentaries, that are based upon real PEER-REVIEWED research...but they dilute their legitimacy by airing BULLSHIT programs that target the ignorance of uncritical, and uneducated minds.  Examples of which are entire programs dedicated to "dowsing rods", "Homeopathy cures", "Ancient Aliens", "The Bermuda Triangle", "Monsterquest", "UFO Hunters", the Paranormal, etc., etc.

I agree that all this nazca, egyptian-ufo-aliens  etc pseudo science thing its lame and boring. I dont want anything of this in this or any other movie again. Anyway, Mr Deuterium, I have to say that criticise this and then claim that you are catholic...well..ehem ehem...You say your faith and catholicism does not conflict with your scientific side, well. If it does not conflict is because either you dont really believe one or another, or because you just pick the parts of each one that are more convenient to you. For me, when u have a scientific brain, you can not be catholic or believe in any other religion. (you can have faith maybe). For me, all religions are the pure negation of science, ration, comon sense , logic and freedom. But Each one is free to believe whatever they want. At least Ovnis and alien shit dont tell you what to do. (well, scientologist madness do I thing...)...

Just my opinion, not triying to anoy anyone.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 25, 2011, 05:56:25 AM
I'm with you on the hating of Daniken and his minions, but there are aspects of these stories that do remain mysterious and because of that make for good speculative fiction, as long as said fiction doesn't rewrite what we know. We know that the Nebra Sky Disc is a decorative piece of Bronze Age bric-a-brac, and that the Easter Island statues are depictions of ancestors and chiefs carved by the Polynesians. But we don't know how life began or exactly how human evolution has tracked, and we don't know whether extraterrestrials exist or not. You can put these things together and make a good story.

-Chris

lol

i think you three never considered that god could be even a woman?

ps: i don't care that you are "hating" erich von däniken & his theorie's. but you should be more tolerant, cos this movie will be so full of it...
and that's all what my post with the resembled pictures was about. and not: do i, or do i not believe this shit.

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Kol, I am not saying you are wrong, given the ignorance, ineptitude and stupidity within Hollywood...and please don't take this the wrong way...but you can shove the "Nazca Lines", "Nebra Sky Disc", "Easter Island monuments" and all other Von Daniken BULLSHIT right back up his ARSE!  And if you believe any of that shit, save some room in your canal as well, with all due respect.

And pre-emptively, I formally apologize for the vitriol in this last post, which was NOT directed at Kol, per se, but as a Scientist , I am sick of this Pseudo-Science BULLSHIT !!

In the interest of Full Disclosure, I am a devout Catholic...but I have no conflict with my religious/spiritual Faith and my acceptance of Physics/Mathematics, Evolutionary Theory, etc.  Von Daniken and his fradulent Bullshit have no place either in spirtual Belief/Faith, or in real Science.

Von Daniken and all his ilk are the equivelent of 20th/21st Century "Snake Oil" salesmen.  It is truly SAD TIMES when formely legitimate networks such as "The History Channel" give time and voice to fringe/pseudo-science nonsense such as "ancient aliens", and "monster hunters", just to name a few of their fringe programming.  Don't get me wrong, the History Channel still has some decent documentaries, that are based upon real PEER-REVIEWED research...but they dilute their legitimacy by airing BULLSHIT programs that target the ignorance of uncritical, and uneducated minds.  Examples of which are entire programs dedicated to "dowsing rods", "Homeopathy cures", "Ancient Aliens", "The Bermuda Triangle", "Monsterquest", "UFO Hunters", the Paranormal, etc., etc.

I agree that all this nazca, egyptian-ufo-aliens  etc pseudo science thing its lame and boring. I dont want anything of this in this or any other movie again. Anyway, Mr Deuterium, I have to say that criticise this and then claim that you are catholic...well..ehem ehem...You say your faith and catholicism does not conflict with your scientific side, well. If it does not conflict is because either you dont really believe one or another, or because you just pick the parts of each one that are more convenient to you. For me, when u have a scientific brain, you can not be catholic or believe in any other religion. (you can have faith maybe). For me, all religions are the pure negation of science, ration, comon sense , logic and freedom. But Each one is free to believe whatever they want. At least Ovnis and alien shit dont tell you what to do. (well, scientologist madness do I thing...)...

Just my opinion, not triying to anoy anyone.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 25, 2011, 05:56:25 AM
I'm with you on the hating of Daniken and his minions, but there are aspects of these stories that do remain mysterious and because of that make for good speculative fiction, as long as said fiction doesn't rewrite what we know. We know that the Nebra Sky Disc is a decorative piece of Bronze Age bric-a-brac, and that the Easter Island statues are depictions of ancestors and chiefs carved by the Polynesians. But we don't know how life began or exactly how human evolution has tracked, and we don't know whether extraterrestrials exist or not. You can put these things together and make a good story.

-Chris

lol

i think you three never considered that god could be even a woman?

ps: i don't care that you are "hating" erich von däniken & his theorie's. but you should be more tolerant, cos this movie will be so full of it...
and that's all what my post with the resembled pictures was about. and not: do i, or do i not believe this shit.

Yeah, these are the same people that believe Jesus died for their sins. Jeezus people.  :D

Quote from: Kol on Dec 26, 2011, 03:37:57 AM
lol

i think you three never considered that god could be even a woman?

ps: i don't care that you are "hating" erich von däniken & his theorie's. but you should be more tolerant, cos this movie will be so full of it...
and that's all what my post with the resembled pictures was about. and not: do i, or do i not believe this shit.

Kol, first of let me offer an apology for a post that I made under the influence of more then a few Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPAs.  While I do not back off the comments I made regarding Von Daniken and his ilk, I should have never have brought up religion/faith in my post, and specifically my personal spirtual beliefs.  That has no place here, and I do not intend on, nor will I get into a discussion as to how I can reconcile my Faith with my Scientific worldview, without inconsistency or internal contradiction.

I will say, simply this...of all the wonderful, thought provoking and (in terms of horror) disturbing narrative paths that Ridley could have chosen for Prometheus, I am dissapointed that it appears that the story arc involves a race of ancient aliens (perhaps of humanoid morphology) as the explanatory force behind our human origins.  We end up with an infinite regression that is, to me, very unsatisfactory.  If they created us...who created them...and who created those before them, and so on and so on.  More importantly, I feel this very much diminishes the entire wonder (and mystery) of the orign of Life on Earth, and the subsequent "miracle" of contingent evolutionary processes that have resulted in Homo sapiens becoming self-aware, conscious, technological beings.

@deuterium

infinite regression is the same question you get with any god, creation, religion story!.

not meaning to drag that on deuterium but with your faith + science knowledge you know this well and appear to be contradicting yourself.

as for this story, there could be an explanation, maybe they evolved naturaly in the way we think we did ie from acids etc BUT unlike us, they have figured out exactly how it works and have mastered it enough to create life purposely and also mastered it enough to create whatever they want!.

next theory is they could be like your god, ie "they are the beginning and the end" with no explanation.

last theory is maybe were just meant to be left with more mysteries to question just as we were with the original sj in alien.

thanks

rich

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 26, 2011, 05:15:26 AM
@deuterium

infinite regression is the same question you get with any god, creation, religion story!.

not meaning to drag that on deuterium but with your faith + science knowledge you know this well and appear to be contradicting yourself.

as for this story, there could be an explanation, maybe they evolved naturaly in the way we think we did ie from acids etc BUT unlike us, they have figured out exactly how it works and have mastered it enough to create life purposely and also mastered it enough to create whatever they want!.

next theory is they could be like your god, ie "they are the beginning and the end" with no explanation.

last theory is maybe were just meant to be left with more mysteries to question just as we were with the original sj in alien.

thanks

rich

No, there is definitely no infinite regression with an ex nihilo God.  In fact, the basis and foundation of standard modern Cosmology asserts that our Universe contains everything that is physical, and nothing that is not physical.  That means that our Universe contains Space and Time, and does NOT exist in space and time.  You, me, our thoughts and consciousness, as well as Space and Time all are physical things, and exist and are contained within the Universe.  God (or the Creator) exists outside of the Universe, and transcends space and time.

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Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 26, 2011, 05:15:26 AM
@deuterium

infinite regression is the same question you get with any god, creation, religion story!.

not meaning to drag that on deuterium but with your faith + science knowledge you know this well and appear to be contradicting yourself.

as for this story, there could be an explanation, maybe they evolved naturaly in the way we think we did ie from acids etc BUT unlike us, they have figured out exactly how it works and have mastered it enough to create life purposely and also mastered it enough to create whatever they want!.

next theory is they could be like your god, ie "they are the beginning and the end" with no explanation.

last theory is maybe were just meant to be left with more mysteries to question just as we were with the original sj in alien.

thanks

rich

No, there is definitely no infinite regression with an ex nihilo God.  In fact, the basis and foundation of standard modern Cosmology asserts that our Universe contains everything that is physical, and nothing that is not physical.  That means that our Universe contains Space and Time, and does NOT exist in space and time.  You, me, our thoughts and consciousness, as well as Space and Time all are physical things, and exist and are contained within the Universe.  God (or the Creator) exists outside of the Universe, and transcends space and time.

sorry but there is no "definitely", as that is your opinion only and is not fact. i disagree totally and personally dont believe in god, BUT as a good skeptic i also cant rule it out BUT if there is a god or gods then i highly doubt its the one portrayed in those nonsense religious books as theyre about as factual as von danikans work.

thanks

rich

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 26, 2011, 05:34:54 AM

sorry but there is no "definitely", as that is your opinion only and is not fact. i disagree totally and personally dont believe in god, BUT as a good skeptic i also cant rule it out BUT if there is a god or gods then i highly doubt its the one portrayed in those nonsense religious books as theyre about as factual as von danikans work.

thanks

rich

Rich, I think you misunderstood me.  I wasn't trying to argue to you (or anyone) that there "definitely" is a God.  I was specifically limiting my reply to the fact that there is (by definition) no infinite regression involved with an ex nihilo creator.  Wether one choses to believe or not believe in the existence of a God or "creator", is another matter entirely.

but thats your opinion, again i disagree. if he exists and wether that be physical or not i still think he must need a creator himself. now we can to and fro that pointless argument all day but ill just say this and drop it, you haven't proved that there's no need for infinite regression, thats just your opinion and mine differs. it cant be proven either way as of now.

but anyway, im not gonna argue for the sake of it as i like you, youre a smart guy deuterium. plus this will derail the thread.

back on topic. what do you think of the theories i gave for the sj?

thanks

rich

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 26, 2011, 05:53:28 AM
back on topic. what do you think of the theories i gave for the sj?

thanks

rich

As for your theories for the SJ, I like 'em.  Matter of fact, I wish there were more creative and imaginative people in Hollywood, such as yourself.  As much as I am looking forward to Prometheus, I am concerned by the involvement of Damon Lindelof.  Nevertheless, I hope he surprises me, and that the core story turns out to be worthy of the original two movies.

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Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 26, 2011, 05:53:28 AM
back on topic. what do you think of the theories i gave for the sj?

thanks

rich

As for your theories for the SJ, I like 'em.  Matter of fact, I wish there were more creative and imaginative people in Hollywood, such as yourself.  As much as I am looking forward to Prometheus, I am concerned by the involvement of Damon Lindelof.  Nevertheless, I hope he surprises me, and that the core story turns out to be worthy of the original two movies.

im not that concerned about lindelof because from one of the interviews he gave it appears that all he has done is put ridleys ideas into words and add some drama/tension. i dont think the rewrite has been too big from spaihts work as spaights is still credited and before lindelof.

there is one thing though, the ship crash.... thats been done in the last two star trek movies with the protagonist ship purposely ramming into the antagonist ship in a last stand scenario so its a little unoriginal, but no idea who came up with that.

thanks

rich

Re: the identity of the "mutant":

In the scene with the acid burning his face within the helmet, you can make out red hair and a beard. (This is easier to see in-motion.) So the mutant has those features before the transformation, as someone already pointed out re the mohawk. The "mutant" is not Holloway.

Also, I'm just noticing now that the SJ/suit in the "control room" is missing a head! Maybe the same one the humans carried back? Or maybe it's waiting for the Blue Man to climb in?

Pretty much.  Note that the entire chair is missing the torso, arms, and head.  It's empty.  The only part that exists is everything beyond the arms on the original model.

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 26, 2011, 05:53:28 AM
im not that concerned about lindelof because from one of the interviews he gave it appears that all he has done is put ridleys ideas into words and add some drama/tension. i dont think the rewrite has been too big from spaihts work as spaights is still credited and before lindelof.

both Lindelof and Spaiht currently have "written by" credits, which suggests theyve both provided elements (at least a third to a half to count I think) of this original story and screenplay, which doesnt suggest Lindelof simply did a rewrite on Spaihts stuff, enhanced with more of Ridleys ideas.

By giving Lindelof a 'written by'credit it seems to most certainly gives credence to him rewriting the script based off of elements Spaihts story. It neither proves or disproves LINDELOFS ASSERTION that he was writing or rewriting with Ridley's ideas in mind. Lindelof said it, it came out of his mouth :) :) ;)

Quote from: SHREK on Dec 23, 2011, 10:42:02 PM
Well i for one really dont like the direction this is going in, ridley scott seems to have messed up his own creation now sadly. Think they should have just left the space jockey with the mystery behind it. Not telling us its a human in a suit and everyone goes crazy and mutates. Alien and predator franchise are completely dead now.

Whats really really funny is that if you ever bother to take the time to read alien vault you will fully realise that prometheus is the "original movie that scott and obannon wanted to make" , claiming scott has messed up his creation when in fact he is showing us everything he couldnt in the original ( the derilict scene was supposed to last an hour) , feature temples and giant evil alien occult scientists etc etc.....
It was left a mystery due to budgeting issues......not storytelling smarts :)

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Quote from: SHREK on Dec 23, 2011, 10:42:02 PM
Well i for one really dont like the direction this is going in, ridley scott seems to have messed up his own creation now sadly. Think they should have just left the space jockey with the mystery behind it. Not telling us its a human in a suit and everyone goes crazy and mutates. Alien and predator franchise are completely dead now.

Whats really really funny is that if you ever bother to take the time to read alien vault you will fully realise that prometheus is the "original movie that scott and obannon wanted to make" , claiming scott has messed up his creation when in fact he is showing us everything he couldnt in the original ( the derilict scene was supposed to last an hour) , feature temples and giant evil alien occult scientists etc etc.....
It was left a mystery due to budgeting issues......not storytelling smarts :)

Big thanks to Fox and the budget cut back in 1979.... ;)

Quote from: PrometheusFire on Dec 28, 2011, 06:24:25 AMfeature temples and giant evil alien occult scientists etc etc...

Wasn't aware of the alien occult scientists angle. I gotta get that book.

-Chris

Thanks for that analysis!  Love the still shot close-ups.

The whole transformation/mutant thing is damn interesting.  I realize it echoes back to scenes in Alien that were cut from the theatrical version.  Can't wait to see this movie.

Cheers!

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Quote from: PrometheusFire on Dec 28, 2011, 06:24:25 AMfeature temples and giant evil alien occult scientists etc etc...

Wasn't aware of the alien occult scientists angle. I gotta get that book.

-Chris

I don't think there was such an angle, at all. Ever. Weird comment.

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Quote from: PrometheusFire on Dec 28, 2011, 06:24:25 AMfeature temples and giant evil alien occult scientists etc etc...

Wasn't aware of the alien occult scientists angle. I gotta get that book.

-Chris

I don't think there was such an angle, at all. Ever. Weird comment.

Afraid so valequeen, kane was originally intended to get impregnated and then lowered down crucifix posed onto a sacrificial stone :)

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Quote from: PrometheusFire on Dec 28, 2011, 06:24:25 AMfeature temples and giant evil alien occult scientists etc etc...

Wasn't aware of the alien occult scientists angle. I gotta get that book.

-Chris

I don't think there was such an angle, at all. Ever. Weird comment.

Plus: the mural that scott and obannon had giger do that represented the pyramid and the 3 cycles of the xenomorph.........it was supposed to be featured in the temple that the sjs used to sacrifice life ........ Didnt scott mention giger working on some murals for prometheus????

The SJ's weren't behind the Alien in the original story, they merely stumbled upon them accidentally.

it never said anything, they could have made them.

I always thought the premise of the space jockey's was that they were seriously twisted aliens because they got so advanced that there was nothing left to do but f**k things.

???

Quote from: bobcunk on Dec 29, 2011, 03:42:49 AM
it never said anything, they could have made them.

According to O'Bannon, no, they didn't at all. The Aliens were a separate natural race and the Jockeys found the aftermath of some apocalyptic event, whereupon they were exposed to Alien spore that impregnated them. O'Bannon: 'See, these alien beings had two sexes of their own, but they needed a third host animal to reproduce. So they'd bring in an animal, put it up on the plinth there with a spore and wham! Then they'd lead the inseminated animal off to an enclosure somewhere to await the birth. But the planetoid was now dead and this civilisation had been gone for a million years. All that remained of it was this pyramid and the spores – which can survive dormant for incredible lengths of time under even the most adverse conditions.'

Ron Cobb: 'At some point a cataclysm causes the extermination of the adults of this unique race, leaving no one to tend and nurture the young.' <-- this is the world that the Jockeys and later the human crew stumble upon.

The Jockeys last act is to send out a warning beacon, which the crew of the Snark [later Nostromo] find, and the story continues as we know it. Only after the movie was released did anyone say anything about the Jockeys creating the Alien. O'Bannon again: 'In the original script the men find a crashed derelict spacecraft and they enter it; they discover that the alien crew are all dead. They return to their own ship to contemplate what may have killed the alien crew and then they discover a pyramid on the planet which appears to be indigenous and primitive. They enter the pyramid and there they find the eggs.'

http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2011/08/crafting-perfect-organism-ii-egg-to.html (http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2011/08/crafting-perfect-organism-ii-egg-to.html)

Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 29, 2011, 03:44:01 AM
I always thought the premise of the space jockey's was that they were seriously twisted aliens because they got so advanced that there was nothing left to do but f**k things.

???

Nah!  :laugh:

Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 29, 2011, 03:38:39 AM
The SJ's weren't behind the Alien in the original story, they merely stumbled upon them accidentally.

Yeah when the story was still called starbeast, and originally the derilict had crashed into a pryramid that was used to house the eggs and creatures ( originally had 2 sexes ) that are used as a godlike being , then scott and obannon changed it slightly due to the budget issues ( the reason why the derilict scene is not 45mins- an hour long)

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Nah your rightvalequeen, the sjs have never had anything to do with the xeno's lol

Where did you hear that the Derelict crashed into the pyramid? Because in the original script they are two very different structures that are sat apart. The crew are only made aware of the pyramid's existence because a dying Jockey craved the shape of it into a console.
The Alien had three sexes, in O'Bannon's idea.

Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 29, 2011, 04:05:20 AM
Where did you hear that the Derelict crashed into the pyramid? Because in the original script they are two very different structures that are sat apart. The crew are only made aware of the pyramid's existence because a dying Jockey craved the shape of it into a console.
The Alien had three sexes, in O'Bannon's idea.

The triangle that the sj carved into his console is what leads to further exploration of the craft, which leads them further down.

I know. Essentially, you're paraphrasing whatever I'm saying. I still don't understand what any of your points or arguments were.

I much prefer the natural evolution of the alien species. The bioweapon idea isn't as sexy. Almost doesn't make it alien in a sense but it does make it more sci-fi I suppose.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 29, 2011, 04:24:43 AM
I much prefer the natural evolution of the alien species. The bioweapon idea isn't as sexy. Almost doesn't make it alien in a sense but it does make it more sci-fi I suppose.

Including the original idea that the Alien 'becomes more and more harmless. Finally, its bloodlust gone, the Alien becomes a mild, intelligent creature, capable of art and architecture, which lives a full, scholarly life of 200 years,' ?  :laugh:

I think the bioweapon idea is good, it's quite a heinous weapon.

Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 29, 2011, 04:26:12 AM

Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 29, 2011, 04:24:43 AM
I much prefer the natural evolution of the alien species. The bioweapon idea isn't as sexy. Almost doesn't make it alien in a sense but it does make it more sci-fi I suppose.

Including the original idea that the Alien 'becomes more and more harmless. Finally, its bloodlust gone, the Alien becomes a mild, intelligent creature, capable of art and architecture, which lives a full, scholarly life of 200 years,' ?  :laugh:

I think the bioweapon idea is good, it's quite a heinous weapon.

Bioweapons are too much a creationist philosophy imo. An alien should be, well, alien. Left to develop into it's own existence. Being bread through experiments for war... that just makes it another lab monster gone bad; complete with delayed explosive(chestbuster) timer.

I don't really care for the 2 inch insect idea either but I am interested in the idea that the alien wasn't the apex being on it's home world either. Not even close which is why Ash admired it's purity as a survivor. As in the alien had no choice but to be so very savage to just make it to next week. :P

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Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 29, 2011, 04:24:43 AM
I much prefer the natural evolution of the alien species. The bioweapon idea isn't as sexy. Almost doesn't make it alien in a sense but it does make it more sci-fi I suppose.

Including the original idea that the Alien 'becomes more and more harmless. Finally, its bloodlust gone, the Alien becomes a mild, intelligent creature, capable of art and architecture, which lives a full, scholarly life of 200 years,' ?  :laugh:

I think the bioweapon idea is good, it's quite a heinous weapon.

The original idea was that it only has a 4 day lifespan
And i dont have any points to prove, just sharing information to try and help clear a very murky picture......it was you that started to argue with me my dear........and please dont paraphrase anything i just said lol :)

The short lifespan wasn't the original idea.  As Valaquen said, they were supposed to live a couple of centuries.  The short lifespan came later on.

The short lifespan is a convoluted idea. That would make the alien no better than "the happening" lol.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 29, 2011, 05:43:17 AM
The short lifespan is a convoluted idea. That would make the alien no better than "the happening" lol.

Convulated? Yeah like a butterfly

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Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 29, 2011, 05:43:17 AM
The short lifespan is a convoluted idea. That would make the alien no better than "the happening" lol.

Convulated? Yeah like a butterfly

Exactly. All the nostromo crew needed to do was to chill out and wait for it to die all by itself. Instead of hunting the thing down which pretty much got themselves all killed.

Holy shit maybe Ash was trying to protect the crew all along...  :o

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Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 29, 2011, 05:43:17 AM
The short lifespan is a convoluted idea. That would make the alien no better than "the happening" lol.

Convulated? Yeah like a butterfly

Exactly. All the nostromo crew needed to do was to chill out and wait for it to die all by itself. Instead of hunting the thing down which pretty much got themselves all killed.

Holy shit maybe Ash was trying to protect the crew all along...  :o

I dont think the crew had a handbook on alien species, if they didnot go looking for it, it would have gotten them as it has a big need to breed, it wasnt searching in airvents that got bret ,lambert and parker killed was it? It seeked them out i thought???

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Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 29, 2011, 05:43:17 AM
The short lifespan is a convoluted idea. That would make the alien no better than "the happening" lol.

Convulated? Yeah like a butterfly

Exactly. All the nostromo crew needed to do was to chill out and wait for it to die all by itself. Instead of hunting the thing down which pretty much got themselves all killed.

Holy shit maybe Ash was trying to protect the crew all along...  :o

I dont think the crew had a handbook on alien species, if they didnot go looking for it, it would have gotten them as it has a big need to breed, it wasnt searching in airvents that got bret ,lambert and parker killed was it? It seeked them out i thought???

No it was the cat... uh actually that could be possible...  Well in any case the alien didn't seem to be in the mood to kill ripley and it killed parker because he attacked it. The alien seemed a bit curious. The alien probably just wanted to wine and dine Lambert a bit. Oh and the alien probably didn't have a handbook on human anatomy either and merely stuck that tail up the wrong hole.

Just saying.

http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2035129881/ (http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2035129881/)

The girl trying to contact Prometheus in the beginning is Noomi Rapace,
so my guess is the Magellan will be the craft that will land on the surface.
Shit goes wong and Noomi try´s to contact the Prometheus crew.
From there on i think shit goes completely out of hand.

This is awesome.
The original Alien Prometheus style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ6SUTI1j9M#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ6SUTI1j9M#ws)

ah! i just have to see Alien again now, i loved it!  ;D

Quote from: appleguy on Dec 29, 2011, 12:13:38 PM
This is awesome.
The original Alien Prometheus style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ6SUTI1j9M#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ6SUTI1j9M#ws)

Whoa! Hats off to whoever made this video, because it is a downright outstanding job. Goosebumps everywhere.

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Quote from: PrometheusFire on Dec 29, 2011, 05:54:39 AM

Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 29, 2011, 05:43:17 AM
The short lifespan is a convoluted idea. That would make the alien no better than "the happening" lol.

Convulated? Yeah like a butterfly

Exactly. All the nostromo crew needed to do was to chill out and wait for it to die all by itself. Instead of hunting the thing down which pretty much got themselves all killed.

Holy shit maybe Ash was trying to protect the crew all along...  :o

I dont think the crew had a handbook on alien species, if they didnot go looking for it, it would have gotten them as it has a big need to breed, it wasnt searching in airvents that got bret ,lambert and parker killed was it? It seeked them out i thought???

No it was the cat... uh actually that could be possible...  Well in any case the alien didn't seem to be in the mood to kill ripley and it killed parker because he attacked it. The alien seemed a bit curious. The alien probably just wanted to wine and dine Lambert a bit. Oh and the alien probably didn't have a handbook on human anatomy either and merely stuck that tail up the wrong hole.

Just saying.

Well lol your kinda right in a sense, the alien had no education about anything other than the inviroment it was born into ....... And i think its sexual tendency's aswell as its biomech style are taken from the sj gene and not the human........ I think all that cross breeding gene swapping/ mixing made for a very sexually frustrated and mentally confused creature, i think that weaver saw the alien as a super curious lifeform that is very interested in things other than itself,
all that stuff i think is the reason why alot of the earlier ideas were dropped about it evolving into a teacher of art pmsl :)
......and it did not try to kill rippers in the escape shuttle because it was dying in a safe corner ( 4day lifespan) ........... Just sayin

Quote from: appleguy on Dec 29, 2011, 12:13:38 PM
This is awesome.
The original Alien Prometheus style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ6SUTI1j9M#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ6SUTI1j9M#ws)

Beautiful...

I'm in awe, that was expertly done! ^

In other news, I'm starting to think that it's not so much that the ship/building topples over or lowers itself, as that it's rolling across the landscape like a giant wagon wheel...

There's some smoke or kicked up dust to one side of it and, looking at some of the shots of the crew running away, there's nothing to say it's not rolling.

I'm sure it is.  Our first reports of the trailer were of a "gigantic spinning Gigerian wheel," which, of course, we later found out was the "derelict" spacecraft.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 29, 2011, 07:53:13 PMThere's some smoke or kicked up dust to one side of it and, looking at some of the shots of the crew running away, there's nothing to say it's not rolling.

Yes, and in one of the shots it looks like the ends of the two 'arms' are both downwards into the ground, which seems to defy what you would expect if it were just toppling over.

-Chris

I thought it was pretty obvious it is rolling. Now whether that is because of a crash landing or not is debatable.

Quote from: appleguy on Dec 29, 2011, 12:13:38 PM
This is awesome.
The original Alien Prometheus style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ6SUTI1j9M#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ6SUTI1j9M#ws)

Loved it!

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The short lifespan is a convoluted idea. That would make the alien no better than "the happening" lol.

Convulated? Yeah like a butterfly

Exactly. All the nostromo crew needed to do was to chill out and wait for it to die all by itself. Instead of hunting the thing down which pretty much got themselves all killed.

Holy shit maybe Ash was trying to protect the crew all along...  :o

I dont think the crew had a handbook on alien species, if they didnot go looking for it, it would have gotten them as it has a big need to breed, it wasnt searching in airvents that got bret ,lambert and parker killed was it? It seeked them out i thought???

No it was the cat... uh actually that could be possible...  Well in any case the alien didn't seem to be in the mood to kill ripley and it killed parker because he attacked it. The alien seemed a bit curious. The alien probably just wanted to wine and dine Lambert a bit. Oh and the alien probably didn't have a handbook on human anatomy either and merely stuck that tail up the wrong hole.

Just saying.

The Alien didn't kill Jones because it recognised a kindred/ superior being...

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Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 29, 2011, 07:53:13 PM
In other news, I'm starting to think that it's not so much that the ship/building topples over or lowers itself, as that it's rolling across the landscape like a giant wagon wheel...

There's some smoke or kicked up dust to one side of it and, looking at some of the shots of the crew running away, there's nothing to say it's not rolling.

I'm maybe wrong but I think is making a rotation at his base or is turning. There is a long track in the ground at his back. I don't think is rolling. I don't know.

The derelict type ship crashes up right and starts a rolling down hill... now all that's left is to cue up the Indiana Jones Theme!

Has anyone been able to analyze the dialogue in the beginning on the trailer?

The very first thing I think I hear is something like "You don't have to stop"

Then, "He is coming, he is coming"

Then something else like maybe "He is leaving"

Then the more obvious "I was so wrong, it/we were so wrong"

and finally "I'm so sorry"

Any other opinions?  I'm very curious about the part in the very beginning.

I thought the first part sounded like, "tell them to stop".

I think the first part goes like this..

"You dont have to stop"

"We're leaving"???   Not sure about that one.

"I was wrong..it was so wrong...and I'm so sorry."

Quote from: Some Mothers Do Have Em! on Dec 30, 2011, 01:07:20 AM
"I was wrong..it was so wrong...and I'm so sorry."

There are 4 more sentences before the second was so wrong part. Does sound like he/it's coming and something about stopping.

I think the first part goes like this.. then

"You dont have to stop"

"He's coming" *that bit echoes I think.

"We're leaving"   

"I was wrong..it was so wrong...and I'm so sorry."

I think the first one is "you don't understand"

IMO it sounds like a womans voice talking seductively. Maybe around the sex scene time. Perhaps it's the robot getting urged into his first root by whoever it is talking.

Quote from: Some Mothers Do Have Em! on Dec 30, 2011, 01:37:07 AM
IMO it sounds like a womans voice talking seductively. Maybe around the sex scene time. Perhaps it's the robot getting urged into his first root by whoever it is talking.

WTF??

Now everyone's ears are playing tricks on them....exactly the same as when the first unoffical bootleg trailer first hit!

hahahaha. :D
You're right...don't know what the hell I was hearing there. ???
Having now heard it without the kids running around me...it sounds like someone hailing somone over the radio. But I am not sure the first bit we hear is part of the actual call.

"You don't understand" or "You don't have to stop" Still not sure here???

"Prometheus, Prometheus, Prometheus" 

"I was wrong, it was so wrong, and I'm so sorry"

IMO What we are hearing is a call from, Shaw, back to the Prometheus. The beginning of the transmission is just distorted a little so the first two Prometheus don't come across they are cut short and are quite faint.
Don't think there is anything about coming or leaving though.

I'm too lazy to listen for myself, but I've heard others say they heard, "Come in Prometheus...C-m-n-Prom-eus...I was wrong, it was so wrong....I'm so sorry."

Seductively?!

And... Who said there's a consensual sex scene?

If anything, Ridley Scott once said that sex scenes are boring unless you're personally involved. He's right.

I put the trailer through my stereo system at home and rewinded it over and over on one of the loudest possible setting I could get it on without to much background noise, it says this....

What sounds like Shaw....

You have got to stop...
**gargle** prometh.. prometheu...
I was wr.. wrong.. it was so wrong....
**deep breathing over and over**
I'm so sorry....

And then the music cues up.
Honestly with the volume set up it sounds creep as hell. I mean I was actually getting goose bumps lol..

Also, someone needs to seriously analyze the blips of video at the end of the trailer. There is definitely images there just way to fast for me to do anything with.... Anthony

Strange, I wonder if the transmission is at the start - when the ship leaves for the mission, or the end, if the group get's split for some reason?

If it's at the end then there would have to be a base and a ship on the Alien planet. Either that or the Magallen and the Prometheus get split up.

The ship we see seems way too small for intergalactic travel. It also seems to be able to land on ground just fine. So why would they even need the Magellan? The UFO we see in the trailer could in fact be Prometheus.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 30, 2011, 10:56:17 AM
The ship we see seems way too small for intergalactic travel. It also seems to be able to land on ground just fine. So why would they even need the Magellan? The UFO we see in the trailer could in fact be Prometheus.

We already know that the human ship is called Prometheus.

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Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 30, 2011, 10:56:17 AM
The ship we see seems way too small for intergalactic travel. It also seems to be able to land on ground just fine. So why would they even need the Magellan? The UFO we see in the trailer could in fact be Prometheus.

We already know that the human ship is called Prometheus.

Why can't the UFO be man made?

I would be surprised if the round UFO was of human origin.  You can see some markings or writing on the bottom if you take a 1080P resolution image of the saucer and play around with the brightness/contrast.  Those markings don't really scream human to me.  Just my opinion though.  I have a feeling I'll be wrong about a great many assumptions I've made  ;)

Quote from: Mustangjeff on Dec 30, 2011, 02:15:35 PM
I would be surprised if the round UFO was of human origin.  You can see some markings or writing on the bottom if you take a 1080P resolution image of the saucer and play around with the brightness/contrast.  Those markings don't really scream human to me.  Just my opinion though.  I have a feeling I'll be wrong about a great many assumptions I've made  ;)

I agree...

If you look at our own military we employ a variety of aircraft.  If someone who had never been exposed to the outside world discovered a single aircraft, it would not be representative of every aircraft in use.  I'm sure even in the future with much advanced technology this will be true.

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See? Looks like earth

I see... yeah you are probably right. Welcome by the way, it`s nice to have another member from our beautifull country.

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See? Looks like earth

Hmm, dunno.  When I look at a raw hi-res image without lines I really don't see it.

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See? Looks like earth

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Quote from: Darkness on Dec 23, 2011, 06:01:26 PM
Next we have a shot of Noomi Rapace in a lot of pain. This is where the shot of her stomach enlarging would be I assume. She gives birth to something and survives.

She gets raped in The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.  She obviously gets raped in Prometheus by something too.  Is anybody else worried that Noomi Rapace is going to be typecast as someone who gets raped in all of her movies?

I am.

WTF?????

...she didn't get raped in either 'Played with Fire', 'Hornet's Nest', 'Game of Shadows'; and I'm curious how you KNOW what happens in 'Prometheus'..."OBVIOUSLY"??

...weirdo.

Quote from: Glaive on Dec 30, 2011, 06:42:22 PM
WTF?????

...she didn't get raped in either 'Played with Fire', 'Hornet's Nest', 'Game of Shadows'; and I'm curious how you KNOW what happens in 'Prometheus'..."OBVIOUSLY"??

...weirdo.

I think he's on to something. There's subtle clues in the trailer that she does get assaulted. It could very well be that Rapace plays "the bitch who gets raped in movies" who knows?

What?
You mean like the " 'alien-tail' going between Brett's legs ...but it's edited to look like Lambert's being raped, so we'll just grin and go along with it??" kinda thing?

Well, carry on!!

Quote from: Glaive on Dec 30, 2011, 07:18:57 PM
What?
You mean like the " 'alien-tail' going between Brett's legs ...but it's edited to look like Lambert's being raped, so we'll just grin and go along with it??" kinda thing?

Well, carry on!!

Bro, I'm talking about Prometheus, not Alien.  Besides was it ever explicity stated that the Xeno actually "raped" Lambert? I highly doubt the Alien "sticks" its tail up there; that just plain grosses me out and doesn't seem like something the Alien would do.

"There's subtle clues in the trailer that she does get assaulted."

Guess they're REALLY subtle, then.

Quote from: Glaive on Dec 30, 2011, 07:31:40 PM
"There's subtle clues in the trailer that she does get assaulted."

Guess they're REALLY subtle, then.

Well first, we see her all bloodied up about to collapse and then earlier in the trailer we see a guy looking overly remorseful and we can see a feminine figure in bed next to him..

How do you know these aren't the consequences of pre-ALIEN hypersleep?

...or have you seen Fassbender in ''Shame''?

Quote from: Glaive on Dec 30, 2011, 07:40:02 PM
How do you know these aren't the consequences of pre-ALIEN hypersleep?

...or have you seen Fassbender in ''Shame''?

Lol your confusing me. Why would pre-Alien hypersleep make you bloody? That doesn't explain why we see one of the guy characters sitting in bed looking like he just slept with a fat chick without wearing protection. And No I havin't seen Fassbender in "Shame"

Quote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 30, 2011, 07:26:35 PM
Bro, I'm talking about Prometheus, not Alien.  Besides was it ever explicity stated that the Xeno actually "raped" Lambert?

By the authors? Not that I know of. Ridley Scott never said a word on the matter, and instead always had the intention of having Lambert dying of fear.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Dec 30, 2011, 07:53:13 PM

Quote from: KirklandSignature on Dec 30, 2011, 07:26:35 PM
Bro, I'm talking about Prometheus, not Alien.  Besides was it ever explicity stated that the Xeno actually "raped" Lambert?

By the authors? Not that I know of. Ridley Scott never said a word on the matter, and instead always had the intention of having Lambert dying of fear.

Huh??  Did Ridley Scott ever say this somewhere ????

We don't see how Lambert dies...all we hear are her fear induced exhalations/hyperventilations, followed by a blood curdling scream.  For all we know, the Alien ripped her bloody head right off of her shoulders.  Another possible interpretation is that there is some sort of venom in the tip of the Alien's tail (stinger) that could incapacitate or paralyze it's victim (obviously, Dallas was taken alive)...possibly in order to preserve him as a living host for the cocooning process?  Although, on that score, the Alien must get failing marks for Brett.  I'm pretty sure getting a telescoping projectile jaw shot straight into your cranium is going to cause more then a headache.

In any case, of all the myriad possible interpretations of Lambert's eventual fate...the idea that she "died of fear" never made it on my radar screen.  And while I can't be absolutely certain, my guess is that it was NOT Ridley Scott's intention for the audience to be left with the impression that Lambert died from sheer fright.

The decision to replace the Brett tail scene with Lambert and hearing those very suggestive noises of pain and hyperventilating over the speakers, was a deliberate editing decision by the director.

It's obvious what he wants to imply to our psychology, as viewers.

Whether or not he'd want to clarify that it's actually what happened, I don't know, I think he'd prefer to leave it as mysteriously ambiguous, but with a deliberate insinuation to make it feel unsettling.

The entire film is full of sexual subtext, after all. That was just one of the more clear-cut examples, that's all.

Quote from: deuterium on Dec 30, 2011, 09:01:26 PM
Huh??  Did Ridley Scott ever say this somewhere ????

Clickity (http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2011/03/principle-players-cast-character.html). Go to the Lambert section.

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Quote from: deuterium on Dec 30, 2011, 09:01:26 PM
Huh??  Did Ridley Scott ever say this somewhere ????

Clickity (http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2011/03/principle-players-cast-character.html). Go to the Lambert section.

LOL.  Well I be dipped in butter!  Excuse me, there is a plate of crow waiting for me in my fridge.  ;D

This now constitutes the THIRD time that Ridley has flummoxed and flabergasted me.

The first is when I learned he always intended

Spoiler

Decker to be a replicant

[close]

.

The second is when I heard about his whole idea with regards to the Space Jockey being a "guy in a suit" concept.

And now I learn that in Ridley's imagination/universe, Lambert's death is due to fright induced heart attack.  C'mon...I mean does that actually happen in real life.  I mean, I would love to see an official Coroner's report for Cause of Death ==> Severe Fright.  Doesn't say much to our Evolutionary adaptation of the "Fight or Flight" response to threats.  I don't think Homo sapiens, as a species, would have gotten very far if every time we saw a lion or tiger or bear, we instantly keeled over.

Although, in my half-hearted defense, Ridley's comments (from that site) could be construed as just him being rather "cheeky".  I mean it is possible he was being rather "tongue and cheek" with those comments, and that he didn't intend on being taken literally.

I mean, seriously, can't you see him having a little bit of fun, when saying something like this:

QuoteIn a separate interview with Danny Peary, Scott said: 'You'd probably die before the thing touched you anyway. I mean, you'd have a heart attack, right? You'd turn and see it and last about four seconds before you had a coronary, okay.'

It's very Lovecraftian if you think about it. Some of the Alert sailors died of fear when they saw Cthulhu rising from the R'lyeh portal; Johansen, while he was able to resist, had his hair turned white from blond. Just the first example that popped in my mind.

And the Jockey suit thing is actually an idea he came up with some years ago, I think. The original concept had it being an actual creature fused to its chair.

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Quote from: OmegaZilla on Dec 30, 2011, 09:12:59 PM

Quote from: deuterium on Dec 30, 2011, 09:01:26 PM
Huh??  Did Ridley Scott ever say this somewhere ????

Clickity (http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2011/03/principle-players-cast-character.html). Go to the Lambert section.

LOL.  Well I be dipped in butter!  Excuse me, there is a plate of crow waiting for me in my fridge.  ;D

This now constitutes the THIRD time that Ridley has flummoxed and flabergasted me.

The first is when I learned he always intended

Spoiler

Decker to be a replicant

[close]

.

The second is when I heard about his whole idea with regards to the Space Jockey being a "guy in a suit" concept.

And now I learn that in Ridley's imagination/universe, Lambert's death is due to fright induced heart attack.  C'mon...I mean does that actually happen in real life.  I mean, I would love to see an official Coroner's report for Cause of Death ==> Severe Fright.  Doesn't say much to our Evolutionary adaptation of the "Fight or Flight" response to threats.  I don't think Homo sapiens, as a species, would have gotten very far if every time we saw a lion or tiger or bear, we instantly keeled over.

Although, in my half-hearted defense, Ridley's comments (from that site) could be construed as just him being rather "cheeky".  I mean it is possible he was being rather "tongue and cheek" with those comments, and that he didn't intend on being taken literally.

I mean, seriously, can't you see him having a little bit of fun, when saying something like this:

QuoteIn a separate interview with Danny Peary, Scott said: 'You'd probably die before the thing touched you anyway. I mean, you'd have a heart attack, right? You'd turn and see it and last about four seconds before you had a coronary, okay.'

i'll just leave this here for you...
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scared-to-death-heart-attack (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scared-to-death-heart-attack)

thanks

rich

Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 30, 2011, 09:40:29 PM

i'll just leave this here for you...
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scared-to-death-heart-attack (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scared-to-death-heart-attack)

thanks

rich

Rich, the link isn't opening up for me.  I suppose it must be confirmation that someone can indeed suffer a fear-induced heart attack.  Yes, I am sure it can happen, but it certainly would be classified as "rare" or very uncommon, yes?  Also, there is always the question of pre-existing condition contributing to the coronary...such as heart disease or genetic predisposition for stress induced arrythmia, such as Paroxysmal atrial fibrillation.

With that said, if an ALIEN jumped out of my closet right now, I probably would be that one in a million person who would drop dead from sheer fright.  Such would be my luck.  ;D

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Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 30, 2011, 09:40:29 PM

i'll just leave this here for you...
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scared-to-death-heart-attack (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scared-to-death-heart-attack)

thanks

rich

Rich, the link isn't opening up for me.  I suppose it must be confirmation that someone can indeed suffer a fear-induced heart attack.  Yes, I am sure it can happen, but it certainly would be classified as "rare" or very uncommon, yes?  Also, there is always the question of pre-existing condition contributing to the coronary...such as heart disease or genetic predisposition for stress induced arrythmia, such as Paroxysmal atrial fibrillation.

With that said, if an ALIEN jumped out of my closet right now, I probably would be that one in a million person who would drop dead from sheer fright.  Such would be my luck.  ;D

hmm, its working ok for me!. and yes its confirming it, and explaining how it happens, but yes, people with heart conditions are at a higher risk but it can happen to anyone!.

there was a similar case of instant death in england back in the 90s, there was a gangland execution of 3 drug dealers, when the police informed one of the victims fathers he died instantly from heart attack brought on by an emotional response exactly the same as how the fear response works.

thanks

rich

Fear induced heart attacks are actually fairly common, or, commonly reported...in a situation where you're dealing with an alien creature, I can't imagine any other scenario happening.

Link finally worked for me.  Not sure what the problem was.  Interesting article.

My only reservation/qualification in you last reply is "that it can happen to anyone".  Well, yes, in the general sense that no one necessarily knows if they have won (or lost, maybe more appropriately) the genetic lottery, and just so happen to have certain genetic allele(s) that cause the adrenal glands to over-produce epinephrine...at levels enough to put the heart into a deadly arrythmia.  I mean, getting struck by lightning "can happen to anyone", as well.

Look these reports are rare, and many times anecdotal.  While the MD's can explain the causitive chain of physiological events that could trigger such an episode for a person who is genetically predisposed, I don't think there is any peer-reviewed studies into this phenomena, nor real statistics.  And since the general news isn't replete with reports of ordinary people falling dead in their tracks after witnessing and/or experiencing incredibly stressful or frightning situations, I think we can file this away as "possible, but extremely, extremely rare".

What matters is that it's WAY within the confines of "can happen, has happened" so I think this is a moot point?

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 30, 2011, 11:25:06 PM
Fear induced heart attacks are actually fairly common, or, commonly reported...in a situation where you're dealing with an alien creature, I can't imagine any other scenario happening.

Look I realize we are getting off topic, but sometimes a lot of interesting shit is discussed when things go off on a tangent.  This is a case in point.  Heck, that is why I love this forum/site.  We can be talking about one thing one moment, and someone brings up something interesting or intriguing, and then things veer off on a new tangent.  Never a dull moment.

Anyways, just playing "devils advocate" here.  It is funny to imagine dropping dead from sheer terror at being suddenly confronted by an Alien.  I mean, it is nightmare fuel, after all.  But with that said, it didn't happen to Brett, it didn't happen to Dallas, it didn't happen to Parker, it didn't happen to Ripley.  Yet somehow, Ridley Scott titillates us with reported comments that it probably happened to Lambert.  And if it could happen to anyone, I guess it would be Lambert.  She was already reeling on the edge of a full blown panic attack through most of the movie.

Anyways, like I said, interesting to discuss, in any event.

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Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 30, 2011, 11:42:33 PM
What matters is that it's WAY within the confines of "can happen, has happened" so I think this is a moot point?

I guess that is my cue to get back on topic.  Point taken.    :(

It can happen, but we all know what that audio sounded like - especially the shriek at the end. From what I recall, heart attacks just sort of paralyse you into non-action, not something where you go, "AGH!"

I've always suspected that Ridley prefers to shy away from certain things he deliberately put in there, to appear a bit more respectable. I find it very difficult to accept he wasn't aware of what having that tail slowly creep up between Lambert's legs was going to look like, especially when it wasn't filmed that way.

It brings to mind how he thought the vagina-like egg openings were "obscene" and others had to point out, dude... You've got a monster running around with a three-foot penis on its head and you think those are obscene?! :D

Quote from: deuterium on Dec 30, 2011, 11:35:13 PM
Link finally worked for me.  Not sure what the problem was.  Interesting article.

My only reservation/qualification in you last reply is "that it can happen to anyone".  Well, yes, in the general sense that no one necessarily knows if they have won (or lost, maybe more appropriately) the genetic lottery, and just so happen to have certain genetic allele(s) that cause the adrenal glands to over-produce epinephrine...at levels enough to put the heart into a deadly arrythmia.  I mean, getting struck by lightning "can happen to anyone", as well.

Look these reports are rare, and many times anecdotal.  While the MD's can explain the causitive chain of physiological events that could trigger such an episode for a person who is genetically predisposed, I don't think there is any peer-reviewed studies into this phenomena, nor real statistics.  And since the general news isn't replete with reports of ordinary people falling dead in their tracks after witnessing and/or experiencing incredibly stressful or frightning situations, I think we can file this away as "possible, but extremely, extremely rare".

one last response before heading back on topic! lol.

i agree, its probably rare, but its more than probable. but i would say its a little hard to research or peer review as you cant really kill people for research! lol, not only that but probably all people that die of this are just listed as heart attack victims and not only that but its a little hard to witness and quantify someone as dying of fright... example: i could be sat here now, hear a sudden loud noise or be shocked by a pet dog or cat in the dark as i open the door and die as a consequence, but when my body is found there would only be evidence for a heart attack! so with that in mind, it could happen more than we know...

thanks

rich

Scott wanted the mere presence of the creature to induce fear induced paralysis in its victims. He spoke about the sight of the creature causing heart attacks in a couple of interviews. OZ already provided one, here's one which wasn't on the blog: "run-ins with the Alien was always done to the ultimate feeling of a heart attack. The rush of a heart attack, even if the thing didn't ever touch [them]." He expressed this through the sound design [the screeching and such that plays when the Alien attacks, the heartbeat that plays prior to its every appearance - even the sound of the Nostromo's engine are synthesised like a heart beat: 'you're never aware of it,' said Scott, 'but it starts to work on you.']

Alright then so no tail rape, I didn't want Alien to be some wierd rip-off of tentacle rape from Japan,sh*t grosses me out.


I heard somewhere that Ridley was quoted something along the lines of "the aliens in this film will do perverse things". What do you think he meant by that?

perverse things == tentacle rape

I really can't seeing it being anything else.

Hi, found this place looking for a good spot to read news and such about Prometheus, I noticed something at the very end of the trailer (when it's just a black screen with "Prometheus" then the release date, when the distorted video cuts in for a split-second and then does it again), it kept poking at the back of my mind, and now that I've watched Alien again last night, I remember where it's from: it's a frame from the videolink of Dallas talking to Ash while they're approaching the Derelict, when the signal kept getting interference.

The more I think about it, the list of references in the trailer belying Scott saying this isn't a true or direct Alien prequel gets bigger and bigger.

This is my first post, but I have been following these forums for a while.

Just rewatched the trailer and I am pretty sure that the "planet" at 0:32 into the trailer is really a moon.  And if it is really a moon,  I'm gonna guess its lv-426.  I have a hunch that Scott is throwing us some curve balls so we don't figure out the entire story and connecting point before its release,  which is why he's lying about the story occurring in a different area.  The "planet". They visit is definitely a moon,  you can clearly see a larger planet in the distance.

Quote from: deuterium on Dec 30, 2011, 11:51:37 PM

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 30, 2011, 11:25:06 PM
Fear induced heart attacks are actually fairly common, or, commonly reported...in a situation where you're dealing with an alien creature, I can't imagine any other scenario happening.

Look I realize we are getting off topic, but sometimes a lot of interesting shit is discussed when things go off on a tangent.  This is a case in point.  Heck, that is why I love this forum/site.  We can be talking about one thing one moment, and someone brings up something interesting or intriguing, and then things veer off on a new tangent.  Never a dull moment.

Anyways, just playing "devils advocate" here.  It is funny to imagine dropping dead from sheer terror at being suddenly confronted by an Alien.  I mean, it is nightmare fuel, after all.  But with that said, it didn't happen to Brett, it didn't happen to Dallas, it didn't happen to Parker, it didn't happen to Ripley.  Yet somehow, Ridley Scott titillates us with reported comments that it probably happened to Lambert.  And if it could happen to anyone, I guess it would be Lambert.  She was already reeling on the edge of a full blown panic attack through most of the movie.

Anyways, like I said, interesting to discuss, in any event.

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Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 30, 2011, 11:42:33 PM
What matters is that it's WAY within the confines of "can happen, has happened" so I think this is a moot point?

I guess that is my cue to get back on topic.  Point taken.    :(

I think death by fright is a fairly common thing; at least in the animal kingdom ...well maybe 'fright' isn't the right word, watch ANY leopard chasing gazelle scene...when the gazelle is in the leopard's jaws, mostly, it's dead.
True, some struggle for a time, but I believe that there's a ''GAME OVER'' switch in most mammals brains, to stop the inevitable 'eaten-alive' scenario...

Quote from: Glaive on Dec 31, 2011, 03:54:11 PM

I think death by fright is a fairly common thing; at least in the animal kingdom ...well maybe 'fright' isn't the right word, watch ANY leopard chasing gazelle scene...when the gazelle is in the leopard's jaws, mostly, it's dead.
True, some struggle for a time, but I believe that there's a ''GAME OVER'' switch in most mammals brains, to stop the inevitable 'eaten-alive' scenario...

Actually the game over switch for a Gazelle is when the leopard severs it's spinal cord with its canines.It is designed to ''dispatch''animals quickly,something it has evolved over millions of years.There is no ''GAME OVER' switch as you call it,every animal has a built in survival mechanism and will try to live,it doesnt just throw in the towel.

However,Dying of fright and shock are two different things.

Quote from: Effectz on Dec 31, 2011, 04:35:25 PM

Quote from: Glaive on Dec 31, 2011, 03:54:11 PM

I think death by fright is a fairly common thing; at least in the animal kingdom ...well maybe 'fright' isn't the right word, watch ANY leopard chasing gazelle scene...when the gazelle is in the leopard's jaws, mostly, it's dead.
True, some struggle for a time, but I believe that there's a ''GAME OVER'' switch in most mammals brains, to stop the inevitable 'eaten-alive' scenario...

Actually the game over switch for a Gazelle is when the leopard severs it's spinal cord with its canines.It is designed to ''dispatch''animals quickly,something it has evolved over millions of years.There is no ''GAME OVER' switch as you call it,every animal has a built in survival mechanism and will try to live,it doesnt just throw in the towel.

However,Dying of fright and shock are two different things.

Not to be pedantic, but it's more suffocation, than spine-severance...hence the 'switch'...there comes a point where prey STOPS living that has NOTHING to do with predator.

Quote from: Glaive on Dec 31, 2011, 05:07:58 PM

Quote from: Effectz on Dec 31, 2011, 04:35:25 PM

Quote from: Glaive on Dec 31, 2011, 03:54:11 PM

I think death by fright is a fairly common thing; at least in the animal kingdom ...well maybe 'fright' isn't the right word, watch ANY leopard chasing gazelle scene...when the gazelle is in the leopard's jaws, mostly, it's dead.
True, some struggle for a time, but I believe that there's a ''GAME OVER'' switch in most mammals brains, to stop the inevitable 'eaten-alive' scenario...

Actually the game over switch for a Gazelle is when the leopard severs it's spinal cord with its canines.It is designed to ''dispatch''animals quickly,something it has evolved over millions of years.There is no ''GAME OVER' switch as you call it,every animal has a built in survival mechanism and will try to live,it doesnt just throw in the towel.

However,Dying of fright and shock are two different things.

Not to be pedantic, but it's more suffocation, than spine-severance...hence the 'switch'...there comes a point where prey STOPS living that has NOTHING to do with predator.

Suffocation is used in larger animals.It is common knowledge that a leopard is an ambush predator and attacks on humans are always from behind and aimed at the back of the neck.
http://animal.discovery.com/videos/im-alive-man-survives-leopard-attack.html (http://animal.discovery.com/videos/im-alive-man-survives-leopard-attack.html)


You are going to die from Trauma to your neck when you have 4 massive canines sinking into your jugular.When the animal stops living its due to massive blood loss and trauma/shock.

Im way off topic now sorry.

In all fairness, the trailer seems quite dependant on the fan-base of the aliens franchise. We have to make our own assumptions of the trailer, let alone the film itself and had us use our collective knowledge of the AvP world to come to a conclusion. And with the help of the Analysis given by Darkness (Whom i wish to praise for his well thought out information which has now given off an adrenaline thrilled hype for me about the film), i have come to some of my own points about the trailer. For safetys sake, i will insert them as spoilers.

Spoiler

It is a likely case that the planet could very well be LV-426, as it is the only planet beknownst to the franchise as the only planet with a SJ(Space Jockey) crash. Granted that the landscape and positioning of the ship doesnt seem linear to how we found it in Alien/Aliens, the film was heard to be based very far from the timeline of Alien. Alongside that, we never saw the whole ship topple in its final position, yet the Alien ship appeared as a crash, And it is highly doubtable that a rolling over SJ ship could topple on its bottom and appear to of crashed.

Secondly, The idea that the Space Jockey(SJ)/Engineer(E) mix could very well be a twist in the film. However, i am more into the whole idea that the E and SJ could be different as the SJ exterior was made of a form of bone (Example Given Below)

"http://www.fmtaccess.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Ridley-reveals-Space-Jockey.jpg"

I am also very speculative about the apparentness of Shaw being pregnant with an alien. shown in the analysis, shes all bloodied, weak and so on. The Alien is known to be the only Monster in the world capable of such a life cycle, unless it could be an earlier version of a xenomorph...or something possibly worse.

I dont wish to convey my further ideas on what else the trailer could show, but i hope in a sense it will all be explained and how the SJ's know and relate to the human race, via the large human esque statue and the human-ish engineers.

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I think the way the Prometheus trailer has been cut would be just as effective for an unknowing audience as the original Alien trailer would be for an unknowing audience in 1979. The fanboys and girls may geek out about what we know, but that's just an unexpected bonus of the genetic crossing....err, I mean, that would only be a side effect. The trailer was made in a way so that it gets peoples interest without depending upon their viewing of Alien.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 01, 2012, 02:21:28 AM
I think the way the Prometheus trailer has been cut would be just as effective for an unknowing audience as the original Alien trailer would be for an unknowing audience in 1979. The fanboys and girls may geek out about what we know, but that's just an unexpected bonus of the genetic crossing....err, I mean, that would only be a side effect. The trailer was made in a way so that it gets peoples interest without depending upon their viewing of Alien.

And the main problem is that it is not a trailer, only a teaser...real trailer will follow...I think in march or later.