“You Are One Ugly Motherfu…” – My Wishlist for the Next Alien vs. Predator Film

Posted by Corporal Hicks on February 25, 2015 (Updated: 10-Sep-2023)

Respect the Creatures

Understandably it would be impossible for a crossover film to be able to please both fanbases as a clear victor on either side as the other would undoubtedly take to the internet to vent their rage. So I accept that the humans will inevitably come up victorious in some fashion or another.

What I won’t accept is poor treatment of either creature. I’m looking specifically at Aliens vs Predator – Requiem for this. In an effort to make the solitary Predator character seem more empowered and badass, he is seen dispatching a multitude of Aliens, reducing their effectiveness and demeaning their portrayal to do it.

I’m not sure about everyone else but I sure didn’t think it was badass when Wolf was holding two Aliens by their necks, seemingly unable to do anything against the solitary Predator. They must have missed tail class during their Alien combat training.

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What I would love a future Aliens vs. Predator film to do is balance their portrayal of the creatures, to respect them and their earlier portrayals in the films. To do this both species need to be deadly, to each other and the human characters. Every single encounter needs to make an impact, every single conflict needs to leave one of the creatures (or human characters) wounded or dead.

The best way to do this, I feel, is restrict the number of creatures on both sides. I’ve had enough with hordes of Aliens being easily dispatched (why must people continually misinterpret Aliens like that?). Understandably the Predator (and human characters) are capable of taking out the Aliens at range, so make the Aliens focus more on their stealth. That way they can get into close quarters where their very body chemistry is advantageous to combat.

The Predator should be hesitant to fight at close quarters like that, aware of the damage the acid blood can do. Let’s show off their combat mastery and tactics and see how intelligent they truly are. Let’s make the fights brutal and raw, not like something from a wrestling program.

Be Brutal! (But Sensibly)

Alongside the time setting of Paul Anderson’s Alien vs. Predator it also had another major fault – the PG-13 rating. Whilst it ultimately received the same rating over here in the United Kingdom that Alien had when the Director’s Cut was released in the cinemas, the desire to get it to PG-13 in the States left the brutality of the film somewhat lacking.

Leading up to the release of the film, I wasn’t too bothered as that rating applied more to the degree of human violence we would see. I kept telling myself ” it’s okay, there’ll still be plenty of creature violence and gore”. I was wrong. I was so wrong.

Alien vs. Predator was a watered down effort with very little brutality or gore. That’s not to say that gore and brutality are essential components to quality. It’s just that both Alien and Predator are adult franchises with blood thirsty extraterrestrials as their titicular creatures.

Alien had people feinting in the aisles! It certainly didn’t pull any punches when it came to gore or violence. But it had substance to accompany the visual violence. This was a lesson half learnt with the Strause Brother’s sequel.

I tried to find a picture of belly bursters from AvPR but the images were too dark. "You Are One Ugly Motherfu..." - My Wishlist for the Next Alien vs. Predator Film

I tried to find a picture of belly bursters from AvPR but the images were too dark.

As part of it’s “going back to the roots” – may that phrase be forever condemned – Aliens vs. Predator – Requiem was heavily marketed for its R rating. The Requiem subtitle has absolutely no bearing on the film, they just wanted a word starting with R so that AvPR could be used.

And, of course, the movie had no substance to back up its gore. Instead we had the wonderful pregnant belly-bursters, intended only as a shock moment that had absolutely no narrative reason and served only to further muddy up that film and fail at any attempts to shock the audience.

It’s vitally important to me – and I’m sure many of us – that the next Aliens vs Predator film ensure it keeps its adult nature and doesn’t shy away from the violence. However, it’s as important that the film doesn’t do it just because. It needs to serve a purpose and be in service of the story.

Calm Down With the Homages!

Specifically the reuse of dialogue. This isn’t a problem specific to the Alien or Predator films, but something of a pandemic within all sequels at the minute. It will continue to annoy me every time single time.

The re-use of dialogue often feels forced into place, all in an effort to invoke some sense of nostalgia towards the original films. However, this very sense of nostalgia that the film-makers try so desperately to create also serves to kill those homages because let’s face it – their delivery will never be as good as the original actor/ess. I know that’s somewhat of a generalization but I think it stands.

A specific moment in Paul Anderson’s Alien vs. Predator that will always make me groan in dispair is towards the end of the film when Scar and Lex are about to escape the ice grotto. The pair are attacked by Aliens and Lex takes the time to say “You are one ugly mother…” and then the piton gun discharges to conveniently cover the “fucker” for the censors.

It might be a bit of a bad example for me to choose as it is said in Predator, Predator 2 and Predators. However, in all those films it is about the timing. In Predator it serves for comical purposes and is timed as such, taking place at a point where the Predator is specifically taking the time to toy with Arnie’s characters.

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“You are one ugly mother *fwup*”

In Predator 2 it is a surprise where Detective Harrigan had the time to make the remark before the Predator woke up. And in Predators it was said in Russian – I don’t mind it when it is subtle like that but that homage suffered the same issue I have with the inclusion in Alien vs. Predator, the forced delay in the timing to allow for the delivery of the line. In “reality” the Alien and the Predator shouldn’t have allowed either character the time in which to sprout the needless homage.

And then there’s things like Wolf stripping off his equipment to fight Chet during the climax of AvP – Requiem. Now there’s nothing inherently wrong with that – it’s the fact that Chet just stands around waiting for Wolf to finish to necessitate the tribute to the original Predator.

None of the Alien films felt the need to endlessly self reference and until Predators (like I said, that particular example was a bad one as it is one of the few in Predator 2). It is, I think, the mark of a film that doesn’t believe it can stand on its own merits and it reeks of lazy writing.

In order for a film to truly stand apart, it needs to take what came before it and build on it, to expand upon it, not look back at it for aspects to repeat to tick the green boxes that they think the fans so desperately want.

This applies to the story as well. I think an original story would serve better as well. I wouldn’t want to see them basing the narrative too heavily on the comics. Paul Anderson has done that already. Let’s see something original, something world building.

Maybe introduce another species that the Predator hunts which also allows the Aliens to expand and maybe introduce another hybrid creature. Expand, build outwards! Stop looking back.


The above article was a list of my major grievances with the previous Alien vs. Predator films and what I’d like to see improved upon in any potential sequels. I’ve not addressed the obvious points but for the sake of clarity, I would also like to state the usual in that I’d also want to see a good crew & cast attached to the film. All these points are moot if there isn’t something talented involved in making the film. Do you agree? Disagree? Feel free to comment and let us know.

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Comments: 11
  1. Any chance we can mass tweet this article to FOX? Surely they should listen to articles from AVP Galaxy. Aren’t the fans here their biggest target audience?


  2. make a AVP movie a prequel to aliens ( because of alien 5) maybe revolve around the story around Amanda ( after the events of alien isolation 2) i have made a forum on a good alien 5 movie (change the ending of alien 3…) and i have made a forum on AVP isolation (after the events of alien isolation 1 or 2 check out that forum) if you want to hear my opinion of a new AVP movie then contact me i will be glad to tell( zenomorph homeworld or predator homeworld or a colony)


  3. I think purposefully handicapping the predators is a no-go as well. By all means, give the aliens an environmental advantage in the cramped interior of a spaceship or whatnot…but they should have acid-proof gear and shoulder cannons, unlike in Anderson’s AvP


  4. I’d completely forgotten about using the Runner and the Praetorians! It would be nice to see a variety of Aliens appear on screen at once. Especially seeing the Runners and the Drones/Warriors (whatever you want to call them).


  5. Great read and great points Hicks. So I am on board with most of your ideas, in particular, the lazy writing on the part of RR and S. Bros. I don’t believe you will win the fans over with literal, ver betum dialogue. Nor will you with tacky wannabe costume designs that are “going back to the roots.” Not even close.

    I believe you can do the original AvP Prey storyline. It was original when it was published, built upon the known characters of the Alien and Predator. Now, the trick would be to reimagine the Alien as the 1979 Star Beast horror that it was intended to be, but on the numbers scale of Aliens. Stop referring to them as bugs (we all know why) because it puts a bad perspective on the species. They feel far too fragile, even with superior numbers, and nonthreatening whenever I read it.

    I like your idea about introducing a new species for the primaries to eat/hunt/breed with, but I want the next film to make more Runners (Dog Aliens), just not necessarily with dogs (unless it’s off screen, since I don’t enjoy watching animal violence of any sort). It’s a concept that hasn’t been reproduced yet since it’s inception in A3 and I feel like we have a few different subspecies to play with with the Xenos. Runners will be faster than the Drones/Warriors, but weaker, meaning on screen they can be taken down with less shots/expended strength. And for God’s sake, can we PLEASE finally get some Praetorians on the big screen?


  6. Ok, I just had a brain-storm along this idea of 2 separate canons. Why not have the Core Alien canon which would be Prometheus, Alien, Aliens, and the new Alien 5, and then have a parallel Alien VS Predator canon which is basically everything Predator, everything AVP, and Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and AR? It kind of makes sense. The Bishop character we see in Alien 3 is made to look like the original Charles Weyland character in the first AVP film? Any takers?


  7. A desert planet would be cool. Something I loved in Three World War was the Aliens coming out from under the sand to attack the marines. I’d love to see a desert landscape, all these weird resinous/Gigeresque things sticking out the landscape, creating a camouflage for the Aliens to hide in, but out in the open rather than in the Hive like in Aliens.


  8. Good article, man. Personally, I’d love to see a Ryushi-esque desert setting come into play, as it would be unique to both series, and relatively cheap to do really well. Seems like a no-brainer, really. Another thing I loved about the original comic was the introduction of Chigusa. Doesn’t always need to be WY all the time, let’s expand the universe a bit.

    (Can’t believe i never got the real use of the R in the AVPR title! Christ, what a pile up of colossal idiocy that whole thing was.)


  9. I agree with all this. I also think it was a mistake for the previous AVP films to even try and be a horror film. Requiem was so underlit you couldn’t see what was going on, and in a film supposedly front-lining action between the two species that’s a major flaw. The first AVP comic is amazing, and took place mostly in daylight. So please, instead of inept attempts at horror, let’s have well-lit, artistic and beautifully choreographed fight scenes.


  10. Excellent article.I think that the two AvP movies focused too much on the feeble human survival aspect and not Colonial Marines kicking ass so the set in the future idea is a must.One of the many faults with Requiem is that the film was so dark (literally) that it was a nightmare trying to see what was going on!.Hopefully after Shane Black’s new Predator and Neill Blomkamp’s new Alien is released there will be some better ideas for the new AvP in the pipeline.Just hope they read this article first!.


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