Started by Cougerboy, Sep 14, 2022, 12:01:45 PM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 16, 2022, 06:42:02 AMWhat's one-off box office revenue to ongoing subscriptions? That's the new game. They don't want you to spend $15 on a ticket once or twice, then maybe another $20 on the blu-ray. They want you to pay $10 a month in perpetuity. There are less overheads, smaller marketing spends, and they don't have to split revenue with theatres and distributors.Sure you can get a 30 day free trial, and if you know what you're doing you can get endless 30 day free trials, but the average punter is going to sign up for the free trial, forget to cancel, and get hit with some ongoing charges. And if they don't sell the movie on blu-ray or DVD, you have to have a subscription to watch it again later.I don't like it, but I'd be lying if I said I don't get it.And "quite a few" is still not "all". I understand a lot of A-list directors still believe in the prestige of the cinema, but others are coming around to the fact that audiences are moving on.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 16, 2022, 10:23:25 AMWe're not talking about every studio, we're talking Disney. Which has Marvel, Fox, Pixar and Lucasfilm, accounting for the most profitable properties in movie history. People will sign up to them. Meanwhile Netflix has lost many popular properties and their originals are struggling to keep it afloat.Top Gun Maverick is a terrible example here. Predator movies don't make that much money in theatres. They never have. Prey has shown they're perfect for getting people to sign up and stay engaged with their streaming services.For example, saying it's been watched for over a billion minutes sounds really impressive. But the movie is 100 minutes long. If that was made of people watching the whole movie, including credits, it's 10 million views. At $15 a ticket, that's $150 million - which the studio gets about half of. Say they skip the credits but all watch. That only adds 10%.Now consider all the people who only watched because it was on streaming, or only rewatched because it was on streaming.It hasn't done that much better than previous entries. But costs were lower and the studio keeps everything and people sign up for ongoing payments so it's more profitable.I think streaming will destroy itself eventually. It's not sustainable to have 10,000 streaming services vying for competition, and at some point anti trust and anti competitive laws are going to kick in and break them apart. But the damage to going to the cinema is done for one simple reason: audiences like the convenience. Whether Nolan and Villeneuve or Tarantino or Lynch want you to see the movie in cinema or not is irrelevant. All that matters is where the audience decides they will go. And while the cinema is by no means dead, streaming has entrenched itself as an equal platform to audiences globally.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 16, 2022, 08:18:51 PMI never said movies don't make money in theatres any more, and I flat out said the cinema isn't dead. I've been talking Predator movies.The mid budget film has almost completely been pushed out of cinema and into streaming. I'm not saying this is good or defending it as sensible (and I've said before that I disagree with it), but it's just what it is.But those kinds of movies are perfect for getting people to sign up and stay signed up for an ongoing monthly transaction.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 18, 2022, 01:48:57 AMI didn't realise we were having a debate.
Quote from: Cougerboy on Sep 21, 2022, 10:05:13 AMQuote from: SiL on Sep 18, 2022, 01:48:57 AMI didn't realise we were having a debate.You think streaming will rule the future at the expense of traditional cinema. I...have some doubts about that.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 21, 2022, 11:00:22 PMQuote from: Cougerboy on Sep 21, 2022, 10:05:13 AMQuote from: SiL on Sep 18, 2022, 01:48:57 AMI didn't realise we were having a debate.You think streaming will rule the future at the expense of traditional cinema. I...have some doubts about that. I said "cinema isn't dead", "I think streaming will destroy itself" and "I don't agree with [studio streaming policies]" so I'm not sure who you're replying to here.Acknowledging that the landscape of film distribution has been changed by streaming isn't really up for debate.
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