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Author Topic: Aliens in the Titan novel series  (Read 841 times)

EJA
May 23, 2020, 09:30:54 PM
Topic on: May 23, 2020, 09:30:54 PM
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Where do they come from? Are they all descended from those on LV-426?


Stitch
May 24, 2020, 12:00:46 AM
Reply #1 on: May 24, 2020, 12:00:46 AM
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Same place as the one in Alien³


SpaceKase
May 24, 2020, 02:50:48 AM
Reply #2 on: May 24, 2020, 02:50:48 AM
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Here's a quick and dirty list of Xeno origins from the Titan stories, in no particular order.

Drukathi site on LV-178 "New Galveston"
Alien: Out of the Shadows by Tim Lebbon
Alien: Sea of Sorrows by James A. Moore

Drukathi sites on LV-178 & 'Midsummer'
Rage War Trilogy by Tim Lebbon

From LV-426
Alien: River of Pain by Christopher Golden
Alien: Isolation by Keith R. A. DeCandido
No Good Deed by Ray Garton
Dark Mother by David Farland

Unknown but implied to be LV-426
Alien: The Cold Forge by Alex White (intention confirmed by Author in interviews)
Alien: Prototype by Tim Waggoner
Aliens: Phalanx by Scott Sigler
Hugs to Die For by Mike Resnick and Marina J. Lostetter
Zero to Hero by Weston Ochse

Another world in the Zeta Reticuli system
Chance Encounter by Paul Kupperberg

From Unknown origins
Reclamation by Yvonne Navarro
Empty Nest by Brian Keene
Darkness Falls by Heather Graham
Dangerous Prey by Scott Sigler

From LV-418
Deep Background by Keith R. A. DeCandido

All that being said, there's no reason to believe that the xeno varieties we know and love from across the franchise couldn't, haven't, or didn't exist before David decided to play around with his tissue remixes on Planet 4, suggestions otherwise are just that, ill defined suggestions.

« Last Edit: May 25, 2020, 08:20:21 AM by SpaceKase »

EJA
May 24, 2020, 09:01:43 AM
Reply #3 on: May 24, 2020, 09:01:43 AM
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There's no reason to believe that the xeno varieties we know and love couldn't have or didn't exist before David played around with his tissue remixes on Planet 4

Actually, there is very good reason to believe they didn't exist before David. It's what Covenant said, and it's what Ridley Scott fully intends, and since it is canon, we must roll with it.


SpaceKase
May 24, 2020, 09:12:09 AM
Reply #4 on: May 24, 2020, 09:12:09 AM
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There's no reason to believe that the xeno varieties we know and love couldn't have or didn't exist before David played around with his tissue remixes on Planet 4

Actually, there is very good reason to believe they didn't exist before David. It's what Covenant said, and it's what Ridley Scott fully intends, and since it is canon, we must roll with it.

Sure man, live it and breath it. Ride the Tiger! I assure you friend, I am in no way calling into question your fanhood. I'm just offering my counter interpretation of what I see in the film and how that would most reasonably fit in with an inclusive combined AvP universe encompassing Alien as well as Predator.

It sounds like you might practice belief in irreconcilably exclusive universes in which only the three Ridley Scott films are valid members, and that's cool. The way I interpret the essence of any given story is by accounting for all of its different iterations, and then comparing where the details of those various iterations are either similar or dissimilar. But perhaps, in your interpretation, there's more of a hierarchical structure in which there is only one true vision with one true creator rendering all others moot.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that, figuratively, all the different orange varieties are oranges, and if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that one variety of orange is more orange than all the other varieties of oranges, and thus, the rest of the varieties cannot therefore truly be oranges.

Or, more to the point, using Blade Runner as an example, I would contend that all 7 versions of Blade Runner are collectively Blade Runner, and further that the scripts, the novelization, the comic adaptation, the original Philip K Dick novel, (both the first version set in 1992 & the later revision set in 2021), the other PKD stories connected to "Do Androids Dream..." like "We Can Build You" and "The Little Black Box", as well as the audiobook productions, and also the radio play adaptation, are all aspects of that same story that together makes up, in my mind, that which is "Blade Runner".

Conversely, you may perhaps believe that the 2007 "Final Cut" is the one and only true Blade Runner and that all other versions, perhaps, are merely sickening pretenders to the throne. And to that I unironically say, right on man, love what you love any way you want to. I ain't ever gonna take that from you.


...and by the way, that’s not eeeeeven calling into account the KW Jeter Novel sequel series, the comic prequel Ashes to Ashes, or the sidequel video games or the ongoing Blade Runner 2019 comic, or 2049 or the short films.. whew lemme catch my breath. I never said it was a better way, I only say it’s more exhausting.

Lawdy lawdy, guess who needs a 40’...

But yeah, I am genuinely this big an “Ass Burger”, great with numbers and obsessive hobbies, bad on human simulation skills.

« Last Edit: May 25, 2020, 11:00:31 AM by SpaceKase »


SM
May 24, 2020, 09:46:22 PM
Reply #6 on: May 24, 2020, 09:46:22 PM
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From memory Reclamation hints that the enemy are Aliens but doesn't confirm it.


SpaceKase
May 25, 2020, 08:18:35 AM
Reply #7 on: May 25, 2020, 08:18:35 AM
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From memory Reclamation hints that the enemy are Aliens but doesn't confirm it.

You're totally correct, its deliberately vague and ambiguous so they could skate that edge with Hicks' experience, since it could go either way it was a marginal inclusion and I just threw it in under the unknown heading;

Drukathi site on LV-797 "New Galveston"

New Galveston is LV-178.

Zero to Hero by Weston Ochse

Reclamation by Yvonne Navarro

There aren't any Xenomorphs in those shorts? "Zero to Hero" mentions rumours of them being around, but none actually appear in it.

re: New Galveston, you're totally right man, I musta been drinkin' draino, I totally got it mixed up in my head with Tartarus from Life & Death. Correction made, thanks for the catch.

re: Zero to Hero, yeah that was another marginal inclusion in the list since they're not technically there, but they're clearly present in the mind of the protagonist throughout the story, so it's kinda like they're a part of the story, and then the question becomes if they are out there somewhere in the story's world then where are they potentially coming from, it was a super tenuous judgement call, so I just threw them in there as unknown but implied.

« Last Edit: May 25, 2020, 08:57:25 AM by SpaceKase »

HuDaFuK
May 25, 2020, 08:37:27 AM
Reply #8 on: May 25, 2020, 08:37:27 AM
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From memory Reclamation hints that the enemy are Aliens but doesn't confirm it.

That was my bad, I was confusing Reclamation with the one about Dietrich and Frost fighting the alien insects in a bar :)


SpaceKase
May 25, 2020, 08:49:52 AM
Reply #9 on: May 25, 2020, 08:49:52 AM
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From memory Reclamation hints that the enemy are Aliens but doesn't confirm it.

That was my bad, I was confusing Reclamation with the one about Dietrich and Frost fighting the alien insects in a bar :)

Yeah, Reclamation was doing the dodgy "are they or aren't they" thing which is a total prequel cliche, but I still dug it for the Hicks and Rachel stuff.

Exterminators was another on-the-fence one since the bugs described are clearly not "Xenos" as we think of them, but with the similar traits they did have leave one totally able to imagine they could potentially be offshoots that were somehow related, but yeah, they were different enough that I left them out, but I still love that story because of how the guy reads it in the Audiobook, that and fact that the story is totally reminiscent of the 2005 horror flick "Feast" which me and my partner also love, so it is fondly remembered, if not included. With the rain waking up the bugs it had a very Riddick vibe as well, which as a series I'm a complete sucker for. I really hope they get to make more of them. I know they're a labor of love for Diesel and Twohy,

« Last Edit: May 25, 2020, 11:09:45 AM by SpaceKase »

Xenomrph
May 26, 2020, 07:01:49 AM
Reply #10 on: May 26, 2020, 07:01:49 AM
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There's no reason to believe that the xeno varieties we know and love couldn't have or didn't exist before David played around with his tissue remixes on Planet 4

Actually, there is very good reason to believe they didn't exist before David. It's what Covenant said, and it's what Ridley Scott fully intends, and since it is canon, we must roll with it.
No, we don’t. :)


Local Trouble
May 26, 2020, 02:19:56 PM
Reply #11 on: May 26, 2020, 02:19:56 PM
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There's no reason to believe that the xeno varieties we know and love couldn't have or didn't exist before David played around with his tissue remixes on Planet 4

Actually, there is very good reason to believe they didn't exist before David. It's what Covenant said, and it's what Ridley Scott fully intends, and since it is canon, we must roll with it.

No, we don’t. :)

You are obligated to comply.


Xenomrph
May 26, 2020, 04:14:25 PM
Reply #12 on: May 26, 2020, 04:14:25 PM
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NEVER.

Hey the old DHPress and Bantam stuff (and f**kin’ Kenner stuff) got rolled back into “the official canon” courtesy of the RPG, so if we’re tracing Alien origins then there’s a lot more work to be done. ;D


Hudson
May 26, 2020, 04:56:37 PM
Reply #13 on: May 26, 2020, 04:56:37 PM
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There's no reason to believe that the xeno varieties we know and love couldn't have or didn't exist before David played around with his tissue remixes on Planet 4

Actually, there is very good reason to believe they didn't exist before David. It's what Covenant said, and it's what Ridley Scott fully intends, and since it is canon, we must roll with it.

I believe what I want.


SpaceKase
May 26, 2020, 06:46:31 PM
Reply #14 on: May 26, 2020, 06:46:31 PM
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There's no reason to believe that the xeno varieties we know and love couldn't have or didn't exist before David played around with his tissue remixes on Planet 4

Actually, there is very good reason to believe they didn't exist before David. It's what Covenant said, and it's what Ridley Scott fully intends, and since it is canon, we must roll with it.

I believe what I want.

"It's what I.. Choose to believe..."


 

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