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Author Topic: In your opinion do you think Alien 3 killed the fr...  (Read 21685 times)

Highland
Dec 03, 2019, 02:54:33 PM
Reply #270 on: Dec 03, 2019, 02:54:33 PM
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Going into a nuclear reactor with no weapons, no rally point and no back up team also seems like a suicide mission to be honest. On top of wearing T-shirts. Maybe both are a bit silly.


Voodoo Magic
Dec 03, 2019, 03:37:14 PM
Reply #271 on: Dec 03, 2019, 03:37:14 PM
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Neither on its own are the greatest examples of realism imo, but when it comes to hammy, action figure archetype, over-the-top exaggerated characters and cast... Predator wins hands down as it should be. Both the cast and characters in Aliens are much more grounded in reality than Predator in comparison. Of course, if we compare Predator and Alien, Aliens stands at the halfway mark. :)

Unfortunately following Predator 2, I've noticed a very slight change in casting trajectory in Predators, which became further amplified in The Predator, a path that has moved away from casting larger than life protagonist(s), in detrement to the franchise (imo).


JokersWarPig
Dec 03, 2019, 03:49:56 PM
Reply #272 on: Dec 03, 2019, 03:49:56 PM
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Yep.  Crouched worked okay, but firing while lying on your back looked very awkward.

Yes, but good luck getting into that position quickly enough to avoid being shot.


Ok, I thought I remembered right but I wasn't sure. Laying down is a bit silly when you're thinking in terms of modern fire arms but I just suspend my disbelief and assume it can be fire effectively like that considering its tracking. The Smartgun may only fill a smaller support role (like the M249 vs the M240B).

I wonder if the smartgun is more like a "shock trooper"-esc weapon and is meant for small and quick engagements as opposed to larger battles.

Or just throwing some incendiary grenades about.

There's also the notable goof that the Smartguns in Aliens and so many video games wouldn't actually be able to track the Aliens, because they have no IR signature - Predators can't see them with their normal sight and Dietrich looks right at one (whilst wondering aloud if they might not show up in infrared) just before the Hive ambush and doesn't see it.

You could argue in Aliens Vasquez and Drake are just spraying and praying rather than locking on, but in numerous video games at least the gun tracks Aliens flawlessly even though they should be invisible to it.

I actually hate the idea of the smartgun using IR/Heat to track targets because it quickly becomes useless in a place that's as humid and full of lush jungle and small creatures as say Vietnam. I've kind of always figured its "settings" can be changed based on the situation to track things of a certain/average height and weight and would refuse to target things with a friendly IFF.

Thats how I saw it in Life and Death anyways, other wise Rucker would be tracking the entire jungle if it was just based on movement or heat alone.

« Last Edit: Dec 03, 2019, 04:00:37 PM by JokersWarPig »

Local Trouble
Dec 03, 2019, 07:57:08 PM
Reply #273 on: Dec 03, 2019, 07:57:08 PM
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It's also possible that the smartgun targeting system has a motion-tracking component to it as well, just like the sentry guns apparently do.

According to the Tech Manual it doesn't. And that's really the only in-depth technical info we have on it.

The CMTM says a lot, but it also has mistakes.


The Old One
Dec 03, 2019, 09:32:42 PM
Reply #274 on: Dec 03, 2019, 09:32:42 PM
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As nearly everything does in this franchise.



SM
Dec 03, 2019, 11:02:54 PM
Reply #276 on: Dec 03, 2019, 11:02:54 PM
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It had some odd timings in relation to deep space travel.


Samhain13
Dec 03, 2019, 11:50:49 PM
Reply #277 on: Dec 03, 2019, 11:50:49 PM
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Uh oh.


Local Trouble
Dec 03, 2019, 11:59:07 PM
Reply #278 on: Dec 03, 2019, 11:59:07 PM
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I'm not sure I can read it now...


SM
Dec 04, 2019, 12:13:24 AM
Reply #279 on: Dec 04, 2019, 12:13:24 AM
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Yeah I'd give it a miss.


The Old One
Dec 04, 2019, 03:06:57 PM
Reply #280 on: Dec 04, 2019, 03:06:57 PM
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Everything has it's mistakes, even my favourites Alien, Aliens, Alien³ and The Cold Forge.



HuDaFuK
Dec 05, 2019, 09:20:21 AM
Reply #282 on: Dec 05, 2019, 09:20:21 AM
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After quickly checking my notes on the wiki page:

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SM
Dec 05, 2019, 09:53:10 AM
Reply #283 on: Dec 05, 2019, 09:53:10 AM
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Dorian may have painted Earthrise from orbit.


The Old One
Dec 05, 2019, 09:56:24 AM
Reply #284 on: Dec 05, 2019, 09:56:24 AM
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I genuinely think the staff number being inconsistent is an Alien³ reference, as Alex White is a self cited proponent of it.

« Last Edit: Dec 05, 2019, 09:58:45 AM by Fiendishly Inventive »

 

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