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Author Topic: Ridley Scott on the hard road to Alien  (Read 6243 times)

maron
May 31, 2019, 09:18:25 AM
Reply #105 on: May 31, 2019, 09:18:25 AM
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How can anyone still expect a good movie from Scott after Prometheus and Covenant? Even the new The Thing movie and Descent knew how to be a better movie.

And Scott still disrespects the beast. I gave up hope for a really good Alien movie ever to appear. In the end it's Alien 1-3 which are precious. The rest...not so much.


Fiendishly Inventive
May 31, 2019, 11:07:58 AM
Reply #106 on: May 31, 2019, 11:07:58 AM
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It's absolutely a reasonable goal, but you need a central idea to focus them around.
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Nostromo
May 31, 2019, 12:50:50 PM
Reply #107 on: May 31, 2019, 12:50:50 PM
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Well, not totally wasted. Nice build up though. Prometheus is great seriously.



Nostromo
May 31, 2019, 01:11:56 PM
Reply #109 on: May 31, 2019, 01:11:56 PM
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If only they had made better use of the deacon or if Fifield had turned into one...

Prometheus is great seriously.

No, no it isn't. It's seriously a disaster.
A interesting idea totally wasted on a inane script.

A disaster? Common man. It has some seriously nice settings, actors, world building, music, effects.

Script could have obviously been better but I would definitely not call it a disaster. 9/10 for me. Without the dumb snake scene and dumbed down acting decisions and with the deacon creeping around it would have been a 10.

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Fiendishly Inventive
May 31, 2019, 02:38:16 PM
Reply #110 on: May 31, 2019, 02:38:16 PM
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Again, all those elements mean absolutely nothing without a good script to work from, it doesn't matter how good your Director, actors and production is if the play's story is absolute garbage.

And Prometheus script is a trashfire.
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Nostromo
May 31, 2019, 04:17:23 PM
Reply #111 on: May 31, 2019, 04:17:23 PM
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True, this was definitely not handled well at all..no idea why it was made so stupidly and no editor or anyone didn't see it's shortcoming.

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Fifield and Millburn are intelligent scientists early

Ok, but then later on wants us to believe they're idiots-?

Loved most of the rest though.

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Voodoo Magic
May 31, 2019, 04:58:30 PM
Reply #112 on: May 31, 2019, 04:58:30 PM
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Prometheus is great seriously.

No, no it isn't. It's seriously a disaster.
A interesting idea totally wasted on a inane script.

If Prometheus was better received than Covenant by critics and audiences alike and is a disaster, then what does that make Covenant?


Nostromo
May 31, 2019, 05:05:01 PM
Reply #113 on: May 31, 2019, 05:05:01 PM
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A blend of Prometheus Exploration and Adventure/World Building mixed with a blend of Alien for Terror and Aliens for Chills & Thrills. That's all I need.


Fiendishly Inventive
May 31, 2019, 05:13:42 PM
Reply #114 on: May 31, 2019, 05:13:42 PM
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The reason Prometheus' sequel was received as is, regardless of being a superior film,
 and more internally consistent- is already discussed to death.

Lacklustre trailers, title.
With the awareness that Prometheus was crap, a sense of "Oh you won't fool me this time, Ridley Scott!" was in the air,
which most likely contributed to it's sequel's decrease in commercial success despite IMO, being a superior film and script.
And a concept that we'd seen before.
(From the trailers perspective.)

It's more easy to see why audiences didn't have a interest when you compare it to what Prometheus did have.

Prometheus' the return of Ridley Scott to Sci-Fi, a cast of hot new stars and an return to sense of legitimacy in that Prometheus was described as it's own thing in the Alien Universe, the complete opposite of the abortion of AVP/AVPR people had suffered five years prior- that had little to do with the series history creatively, aesthetically, narratively or thematically beyond the creature itself. 
It's because Prometheus was touted as Ridley Scott's return to Sci-Fi, a amazing cast and a superb trailer. Obscuring the awful script.

So by the time the sequel appears, people are throughrally disenchanted.
The cast isn't superior to Prometheus' but they're better acted and directed.

The editing in Prometheus is completely f**ked, Covenant's is not.

Covenant knows what it is, Prometheus does not.

Nah, Covenant- aside from the Xenomorph in the ship at the end being somewhat lacklustre but not always- is a superior film.
(when it's standing up and moving around slowly like a man it's pretty fantastic and so is the visuals of the atmospheric decompression.)
Aside from some of the production design of the human crafts, spacesuits and weaponry which I thought were much more interesting looking in Prometheus, Covenant is much, much better film it's probably just that because Prometheus doesn't know what it's about- in your head you can define it therefore in whatever way you want, whereas Covenant actually has a strong narrative theme. As many smarter than me have said, Covenant's a Romanticism; Gothic Horror in space and if you're not willing to approach it like you would that genre of literature, you're not going to be interested.

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Voodoo Magic
May 31, 2019, 05:18:44 PM
Reply #115 on: May 31, 2019, 05:18:44 PM
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The reason Prometheus' sequel was received as is, regardless of being a superior film,
 and more internally consistent- is already discussed to death.

Or like me and a bit more than the 50% of the AvPG fans that voted, we just feel Prometheus is the superior film regardless.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Fiendishly Inventive
May 31, 2019, 05:21:08 PM
Reply #116 on: May 31, 2019, 05:21:08 PM
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As I said, already discussed to death.
Which do you like better? is not Which is better? -anyway.
I don't see why you'd even bring it up frankly, I wasn't discussing the "Prometheus Vs Covenant" argument.
 

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Voodoo Magic
May 31, 2019, 05:22:56 PM
Reply #117 on: May 31, 2019, 05:22:56 PM
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Because you called Prometheus a "disaster" sis. That's more fitting for films like Battlefield Earth I think. Not Prometheus.


Fiendishly Inventive
May 31, 2019, 05:23:12 PM
Reply #118 on: May 31, 2019, 05:23:12 PM
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Nah, Prometheus is trash.

It sits alongside VIII-TLJ, GoT-S8, SWPrequelTrilogy and The Hobbit Prequel Trilogy.
The shelf of immense wasted potential, scripts full of holes and bizarre acting caricatures.

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