Quote from: AhabPredator on Mar 12, 2019, 06:57:35 PM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 12, 2019, 05:09:11 PM
Ironically them being the same race but looking different is kind of undercut when you consider the Lost Hunters being usages of the Jungle Hunter and City Hunters mold with different paint applications. It also doesn't help modern makers because the guys in the garage don't have to fit mechanical bits into it and there is no direct reference to the face because the only thing that survived was the Greyback's head. They threw all that other stuff out. Meaning all you can get is approximations and guesswork on top of the things the studio tells you to do. You also got separate unmasked heads for the original films which means that what you're basing things off of might not be the right head because they do different things or have different static positioning of the mandibles.
I'd imagine artistically its to differentiate individuals, but from a practical point its more likely because unlike in the older films the mask isn't fitted to the head, hence the mandible configuration. Scar's head was too flat for that so I doubt that was an issue, but for damn sure Wolf's didn't, and Fugitive only needs to have it on for part of the lab escape and then be removed by Upgrade which was more CGI then practical FX. The helmets and face are also developed separately from each other so even developmentally they can't account for positioning of the mandibles.
But then why not do it when they have it off?
-Scar was meant to be more emotive thus his mandibles going everywhere. Not to mention him being more heroic than prior appearances and thus you want to draw attention to the chin.
-Wolf just needed to roar and emote in reaction to the PredAlien, otherwise he's obscured in the crashed ship.
-Fugitive does on his CGI model, but the practical FX doesn't require that because he doesn't wear the mask for any extended period of time when a face reveal is needed.
That's a big part of the reason you have half-masks for these films because the mandibles can cause the helmet to pop off or not fit entirely (both of which occurred in 2010's Predators). Practically speaking you'd have to account for this during development of the face and have the helmet sculpted over that in order to fit it properly but that just doesn't happen on these films which is why its only implied. And even then it doesn't mean it has to sit in that configuration.
You can still have competently done Winston-esque Predators. I've spent 4 grand proving that point.
Don't tell me with the 88 million they couldn't.
I own a P2 head myself, but not all Predator masks are built to the same specifications. Especially in garage kits that don't have to and commonly don't have room to fit the mechanical bits for the Predator's face. Those kits also don't have to put up with shooting requirements and because there isn't that much difference between a stunt suit and a hero suit for these films they also have to be in an ideal position to not break. These heads need to survive and it will be kind of bad if they can't hold a particular pose because they broke the servos. The heads are also dictated by needs of the studio and while AVP could've done it and didn't, Wolf and Fugitive are under no obligation to do so because nothing about those shots require them to hold that pose. The masks they used didn't require the helmet to be on in order for them to scrunch up like that. The pose we see Jungle Hunter in was also to lead into the roar pose, but because the movies later just use cut-away to hide the mask coming off, they could just prepare the later Predators to roar as wide as possible without limitations of the mask forcing the initial pose.
Now granted as often we see Fugitive without the helmet in the lab escape he could've held it at least once. But it was not a requirement of that day's shoot and is held on his CGI model. While its not a factor in practical FX they did use it.
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88 million also goes to paying your actors, getting sets, reserving areas, paying for security, etc. And most of that budget later on was allocated to re-shooting the third act. The Predator's budget is pretty much irrelevant given that fanmade creations don't put up with the same rigors of production nor does it have to do the same things as the suits in the films.
It would've been nice to see, but it's cut for a reason