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Author Topic: New interview with Predators director Nimród Antal  (Read 1457 times)

AVP-CAPCOM
Mar 15, 2019, 07:12:15 PM
Reply #30 on: Mar 15, 2019, 07:12:15 PM
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Nearly 9 years ago this was released? (8th July 2010 uk release). Might as well have been a decade ago.

An abhorrent PREDATOR release. I had a whole cinema row next to me who almost walked out of this snorefest.

Promosed so much, but delivered so little.

Nimrod Antal's METALLICA drama-mentary "through the never" also bombed.


Huggs
Mar 15, 2019, 07:23:16 PM
Reply #31 on: Mar 15, 2019, 07:23:16 PM
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A lot of great movies get a bad wrap when first released. Some of them became cult favorites. In years to come many films we dislike now might come to be seen as titans of their genres.

I hated predators the first time I saw it. Absolutely hated it. It disgusted me deeply. I watched it a few years later and something was different. Watched it some more and I loved it. Much more like the first film. Predator will always need an isolated setting, in my opinion. Too much noise and activity in the city. Takes away the horror and the suspense.

Predators better than Predator 2 = NOPE. Far superior action better predator enough said.

Action doesn't make a good predator movie. Atmosphere does.





Voodoo Magic
Mar 15, 2019, 09:44:17 PM
Reply #34 on: Mar 15, 2019, 09:44:17 PM
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Hey Predators!  Predator called, they want their atmosphere back!

Predator 2 has loads of atmosphere. Just the King Willie alley alone is worth the price of atmosphere admission. And I haven't even touched upon the Predator ship!


Huggs
Mar 15, 2019, 10:39:27 PM
Reply #35 on: Mar 15, 2019, 10:39:27 PM
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Hey Predators!  Predator called, they want their atmosphere back!

Predator 2 has loads of atmosphere. Just the King Willie alley alone is worth the price of atmosphere admission. And I haven't even touched upon the Predator ship!

There are several scenes in p2 with great atmosphere, especially the alley scene. But I think overall there's just far too many people and too much noise and activity.

There's great action and set pieces like the train and the opening shootout with el Scorpio, but there's a distinct lack of intimacy that p1&3 utilized to great effect.


Billiken
Mar 15, 2019, 10:52:57 PM
Reply #36 on: Mar 15, 2019, 10:52:57 PM
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I think Predators has some good atmosphere but then it falls apart pretty quickly. I had more fun with Predator 2. Taking it to the city was the right thing to do otherwise we just get more jungle and the same thing over and over.


JungleHunter87
Mar 15, 2019, 11:04:03 PM
Reply #37 on: Mar 15, 2019, 11:04:03 PM
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Hey Predators!  Predator called, they want their atmosphere back!

Predator 2 has loads of atmosphere. Just the King Willie alley alone is worth the price of atmosphere admission. And I haven't even touched upon the Predator ship!

There are several scenes in p2 with great atmosphere, especially the alley scene. But I think overall there's just far too many people and too much noise and activity.

There's great action and set pieces like the train and the opening shootout with el Scorpio, but there's a distinct lack of intimacy that p1&3 utilized to great effect.

In terms of atmospheric scenes, Danny’s scene walking back into the penthouse, is easily one of P2’s best.

Overall though I agree that P2 was a little too cluttered and frantic. Not to say I don’t enjoy it. I just prefer PREDATORS more as a film over it.


Huggs
Mar 15, 2019, 11:08:30 PM
Reply #38 on: Mar 15, 2019, 11:08:30 PM
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I think Predators has some good atmosphere but then it falls apart pretty quickly. I had more fun with Predator 2. Taking it to the city was the right thing to do otherwise we just get more jungle and the same thing over and over.

It doesn't have to be a jungle.

Perhaps a forest or a mountain or an abandoned military installation.

Just something remote and quiet, with a limited amount of human beings.

Even Cameron had the good sense to kill off the colony.

Hey Predators!  Predator called, they want their atmosphere back!

Predator 2 has loads of atmosphere. Just the King Willie alley alone is worth the price of atmosphere admission. And I haven't even touched upon the Predator ship!

There are several scenes in p2 with great atmosphere, especially the alley scene. But I think overall there's just far too many people and too much noise and activity.

There's great action and set pieces like the train and the opening shootout with el Scorpio, but there's a distinct lack of intimacy that p1&3 utilized to great effect.

In terms of atmospheric scenes, Danny’s scene walking back into the penthouse, is easily one of P2’s best.

Overall though I agree that P2 was a little too cluttered and frantic. Not to say I don’t enjoy it. I just prefer PREDATORS more as a film over it.

I almost used Danny's scene as an example, but that speech from king Willy sets great tone. Danny's scene is much scarier though.

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Billiken
Mar 15, 2019, 11:17:23 PM
Reply #39 on: Mar 15, 2019, 11:17:23 PM
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I agree a military installation would be great we got a bit of that in The Predator. the escape scene was great. I just hope someone can move with this idea.


Still Collating...
Mar 16, 2019, 02:32:20 PM
Reply #40 on: Mar 16, 2019, 02:32:20 PM
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I was so happy that I enjoyed all three of the movies at about the same level. I was glad that all the movies in the Predator franchise were "good" and then The Predator comes out which I enjoyed less than any of the Alien movies, prequels or even the AvPs IMO. That was quite a shock I must say. I hope that the franchise doesn't stagnate too much because of it...

I liked Predators from the first viewing, not perfect, but I really liked what they did with it. My brother who doesn't care for these films at all liked this one as well from the get go. A sequel to predators would've been fun. I think it's a great idea to have the predator adapt to a new foe. Not silly genetic upgrades, but new hunting tactics and creative new weapons. That's what I want to see in a new movie.


SuperiorIronman
Mar 17, 2019, 01:27:05 PM
Reply #41 on: Mar 17, 2019, 01:27:05 PM
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I was so happy that I enjoyed all three of the movies at about the same level. I was glad that all the movies in the Predator franchise were "good" and then The Predator comes out which I enjoyed less than any of the Alien movies, prequels or even the AvPs IMO. That was quite a shock I must say. I hope that the franchise doesn't stagnate too much because of it...

I liked Predators from the first viewing, not perfect, but I really liked what they did with it. My brother who doesn't care for these films at all liked this one as well from the get go. A sequel to predators would've been fun. I think it's a great idea to have the predator adapt to a new foe. Not silly genetic upgrades, but new hunting tactics and creative new weapons. That's what I want to see in a new movie.

The fanbase reacted the same to The Predator when Predators came out. That's why I was so surprised when people said they really took a liking to it because I had to defend that movie back then. If anything I've learned, give it five to ten years and people warm up to some element of them. Though given trademark law, I promise you this franchise wont stagnate, Disney will not let that trademark lapse. Predator has a better track-record than Alien or Terminator in terms of movies people dislike, and those movies you can make for 40 million as Predators proved, they'll make another Predator.

Ironically the genetic engineering thing is a hold-over from Predators as Berserker was supposed to be a genetically engineered Predator (it's why he's a "Super Predator"). He even had a similar appearance to Upgrade in the script. Of course this was changed to be some sort of sub-species, but it is fascinating just how much was carried over from older scripts that it makes me wonder just what exactly the scripting process was.


Still Collating...
Mar 18, 2019, 08:00:31 AM
Reply #42 on: Mar 18, 2019, 08:00:31 AM
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If I had been around back then, I'd have been defending Predators too.

Hell, I enjoyed both AVPs from a first viewing as well. Though over time I'm enjoying AVP:R less, but still enjoying it. I really try to like things and look at it from a bright side. And it does work, I have 850 hours in A:CM somehow... That's why the predator caught me by surprise and not in a good way.

I know the genetic engineering is originally from Predators and they were smart enough to scrap that concept. So weird that they reused that scraped idea. It can be done of course, but you have to be careful how you utilize it and how you design the creature. If Predators had done the same thing with it as The Predator did (human DNA?), I would've disliked that part the same. Though that's just one part of why I don't like the movie.

I'm glad some people like it and it saddens me that I'm not one of them.
And I think you're right actually, I forgot how "cheap" Predators was. A lower budget forces you to be more creative and the predator doesn't explicitly need futuristic sets.


Wysps
Mar 20, 2019, 09:38:37 PM
Reply #43 on: Mar 20, 2019, 09:38:37 PM
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I was so happy that I enjoyed all three of the movies at about the same level. I was glad that all the movies in the Predator franchise were "good" and then The Predator comes out which I enjoyed less than any of the Alien movies, prequels or even the AvPs IMO. That was quite a shock I must say. I hope that the franchise doesn't stagnate too much because of it...

I liked Predators from the first viewing, not perfect, but I really liked what they did with it. My brother who doesn't care for these films at all liked this one as well from the get go. A sequel to predators would've been fun. I think it's a great idea to have the predator adapt to a new foe. Not silly genetic upgrades, but new hunting tactics and creative new weapons. That's what I want to see in a new movie.

The fanbase reacted the same to The Predator when Predators came out. That's why I was so surprised when people said they really took a liking to it because I had to defend that movie back then. If anything I've learned, give it five to ten years and people warm up to some element of them. Though given trademark law, I promise you this franchise wont stagnate, Disney will not let that trademark lapse. Predator has a better track-record than Alien or Terminator in terms of movies people dislike, and those movies you can make for 40 million as Predators proved, they'll make another Predator.

Ironically the genetic engineering thing is a hold-over from Predators as Berserker was supposed to be a genetically engineered Predator (it's why he's a "Super Predator"). He even had a similar appearance to Upgrade in the script. Of course this was changed to be some sort of sub-species, but it is fascinating just how much was carried over from older scripts that it makes me wonder just what exactly the scripting process was.

That very well may be a possibility.  With repetition, things become easier to accept - maybe given time, The Predator won't seem so bad after a few years (for palate cleansing).  The genetic modification has been a while though, even in the old Rodriguez script (his original idea prior to Predators), there was a bit of genetic manipulation in there.  It was bound to make an appearance in a movie at some point, imo.


The Old One
Mar 25, 2019, 02:53:25 PM
Reply #44 on: Mar 25, 2019, 02:53:25 PM
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Doubtful lol.
Didn't happen for AR, AVP or AVPR.


 

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