The 1st Predator Ship

Started by Shaktiman, Mar 06, 2019, 08:25:18 AM

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SiL

SiL

#30
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 11, 2019, 12:09:00 PM
Heated? Nah.
"That heat signature your satellite picked up makes a lot more sense now Mr Weyland."
"The heat bloom was the signal to lure us down here."
The fact there's dripping water in multiple locations.

I'm not saying it's tropical, but the pyramid being heated is literally the macguffin that starts the movie :P

Voodoo Magic

Voodoo Magic

#31
Quote from: SiL on Mar 11, 2019, 12:24:26 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 11, 2019, 12:09:00 PM
Heated? Nah.
"That heat signature your satellite picked up makes a lot more sense now Mr Weyland."
"The heat bloom was the signal to lure us down here."
The fact there's dripping water in multiple locations.

I'm not saying it's tropical, but the pyramid being heated is literally the macguffin that starts the movie :P

That's the power source. Power sources gives off heat. Heat and heated are two different things.

The pyramid was not "heated" in the context we are discussing where Predators only come to Earth "in the hottest years" and would have found the Pyramid comfortable to their nature. If so, the humans would have found it stifling and felt the need to take off their winter jackets and their gloves, which they didn't, obviously, because it wasn't.

SiL

SiL

#32
The scans show that the walls are also warmed up; it's not just the power source.

Also:

QuoteI'm not saying it's tropical

"Warmer than Antarctica in the spring" does not necessarily mean "warm", just "not freezing".

Voodoo Magic

Voodoo Magic

#33
The walls have power surging through them. The pyramid is one giant moving jenga puzzle! But it's not heated, certainly to the apparent comfort level previously established by Predators and not even to the lesser extent humans require to comfortably take off their winter jackets, so one can reasonably assume its function is not to heat, but just a byproduct of such power.


SiL

SiL

#34
I feel this is getting into semantic territory but, yes, I agree.

Xenomorphine

Xenomorphine

#35
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 09, 2019, 04:55:06 PM
Obviously the thermal image is just creative license, especially after hearing the director explain the dry ice was used to simulate a "hot environment". Plus Anna said in Predator that Predators only come to Earth "in the hottest years", and the City Hunter came to LA during a heatwave.

The image is what it is. It's demonstrating a totally cold environment, devoid of any heat.

Predators coming to Earth during particularly hot times might not necessarily be a temperature preference for them. It might be them responding to human behaviour which occurs more during those time. More people likely to be driven by anger and frustration, more likely to engage in violence and such.

Could also be something to do with our location in the solar system during those times. Who knows?

Point is, their ship in the sequel is most definitely cold and they don't seem to care, at all.

And you know what? That makes a lot of sense. Because if they evolved somewhere hot, they wouldn't perceive things in terms of thermal imaging - their environment would blind them! Predators evolving in a naturally cool environment, however, would mean thermal sensitivity allows them to be attracted to the heat sources of prey.

So, it might well be that they're more used to cool temperatures and hotter environments are what they perceive as more of a challenge. We just assume otherwise because their skin makes them seem reptilian, but they could easily be warm-blooded. Or even have metabolism which causes them to radiate a lot of heat (which, in turn, might further help to explain them evolving thermal vision, in order to better locate one another) and, thus, prefer to retire somewhere cool.

Voodoo Magic

Voodoo Magic

#36
Or "Predator 2" director Stephen Hopkins knows what he's talking about and the ship was hot.  :P

The Old One

The Old One

#37
I don't think so.

Considering the error of the mask on/off and yet the heat vision is identical.

AhabPredator

AhabPredator

#38
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 22, 2019, 04:03:52 PM
I don't think so.

Considering the error of the mask on/off and yet the heat vision is identical.

Nearly! Not quite identical. The mask has the GUI overlay and more detail with thermal outlines. Whereas the biological vision they are born with is more "fuzzy" and primitive. If that makes sense?

Voodoo Magic

Voodoo Magic

#39
Or again, "Predator 2" director Stephen Hopkins knows what he's talking about and the ship was hot.  :P

When you realize the high temperatures of sun baked concrete and pavement are in actuality a much higher degree than humans' internal body temperature, you know creative licenses are being taken with the Predator's thermal vision.

The Old One

The Old One

#40
TY for the information.

It's incongruous, regardless.

Voodoo Magic

Voodoo Magic

#41
Real City Thermal Vision (not even in the intense heat fictionalized in "Predator 2")



City Hunter's Thermal Vision, beginning of the movie,  those are cops on the streets facing the Columbian gang.







An organic filter can't even be hypothesized because of some buildings, some cars, gunfire and the explosion detected in thermal.

Creative license people. When the director said the ship was hot, the ship was hot.



SuperiorIronman

SuperiorIronman

#42
Yeah I was pretty sure it was an error, although considering The Predator implies the usage of cybernetics that'll be my no-prize explanation for how City Hunter's vision didn't change when the mask came off.

Admittedly a colder environment would make sense for the homeworld and ship though seeing as too much heat would make things hard to navigate. I guess everybody got caught up in "hottest time of year" thing and forgot its super hard to navigate like that. But alternatively that might explain the nature of later ships and it being as dark as it is seeing as color and light sources are pretty much irrelevant to them outside of heat reflection. 

Xenomorphine

Xenomorphine

#43
It's irrelevant what a director happens to personally think, if that contradicts what's on screen.

The masks apply a filter, but the Predator wasn't wearing one when it looked at the guy. So, it was cold.

Honestly not seeing why this is so objectionable. It's not as if the place activated anything until it was launching. Makes sense for it to have been cold.

Whereas a being to have evolved in an a hot environment, to perceive everything in terms of thermal output, would not. :)

Voodoo Magic

Voodoo Magic

#44
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 24, 2019, 09:42:48 PM
It's irrelevant what a director happens to personally think, if that contradicts what's on screen.

The masks apply a filter, but the Predator wasn't wearing one when it looked at the guy. So, it was cold.

Honestly not seeing why this is so objectionable. It's not as if the place activated anything until it was launching. Makes sense for it to have been cold.

Whereas a being to have evolved in an a hot environment, to perceive everything in terms of thermal output, would not. :)

A filter. Right. An illogical filter that makes no sense on screen. Director had no clue what the "steam" was for. Neither did Danny Glover. They're both wrong. All this is concluded from thermal imagery that was wrong throughout the entire movie. Filter or not. It was creatively, illogically painted in post for the audience. But it was an illogic filter!

Such nonsense.



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