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Who is your favourite synthetic character?

Ash
Bishop
Call
David
Walter
Samuels
Working Joe(s)
Karl Bishop Weyland
Katya
Arnaud Eisenberg
Butler/Bueller
Ellen Ripley (synthetic)
Eloise
Elden
Davis One
Liliya
Marcus
Jeri
Norbert
Dean

Author Topic: Favourite Synthetic  (Read 1525 times)

SM
May 18, 2019, 11:17:17 PM
Reply #30 on: May 18, 2019, 11:17:17 PM
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Why "limited"?


Elmazalman
May 18, 2019, 11:28:55 PM
Reply #31 on: May 18, 2019, 11:28:55 PM
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Ash was a company product. He / it followed orders.





SM
May 19, 2019, 04:46:19 AM
Reply #35 on: May 19, 2019, 04:46:19 AM
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Ash followed his orders - which were typed out in text.



Still Collating...
May 19, 2019, 02:58:08 PM
Reply #37 on: May 19, 2019, 02:58:08 PM
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Aren't all androids in the franchise (especially in the movies) a slave to their programming? That programming can just be more or less creative and focused on problem solving which looks like free will. It basically functions the same as our "free" will if you have complex enough programming, but the illusion is destroyed when they receive a direct order to achieve a short term goal by extreme means, like capturing the alien and letting everyone else die.
Ain't it like that?


FenGiddel
May 19, 2019, 04:37:04 PM
Reply #38 on: May 19, 2019, 04:37:04 PM
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It is complex, no doubt. I see a parallel between Ash and HAL and their reactions to their respective program directives.



Elmazalman
May 20, 2019, 03:02:45 AM
Reply #40 on: May 20, 2019, 03:02:45 AM
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Ash followed his orders - which were typed out in text.
Which were Company orders - his program.

It's simply an order.  It's not more a program than a clause in a contract that someone has to follow.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t synthetics placed aboard company vessels to oversee and protect company assets and interests - even before receiving their Special Orders via text?



SM
May 20, 2019, 03:19:40 AM
Reply #42 on: May 20, 2019, 03:19:40 AM
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Ash followed his orders - which were typed out in text.
Which were Company orders - his program.

It's simply an order.  It's not more a program than a clause in a contract that someone has to follow.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t synthetics placed aboard company vessels to oversee and protect company assets and interests - even before receiving their Special Orders via text?

Possibly.  That's Ridley take on one of the commentary tracks, though it's not something that's been born out on film.  Parker sounded very surprised that Ash was a robot, and if such a policy was public it would breed suspicion and paranoia.  Maybe not the best mood to foster on deep space crews, and it wouldn't be hard to work out who was the robot anyway.  By the time of Aliens, synthetics were standard and everyone knew who the robot was.

Don't know how this is relevant to the discussion though.

My point is that people claim 'Ash was programmed to bring back an Alien'.  My response to that is - 'No, he didn't need to be programmed; just ordered.'  It's like Bishop was ordered (or rather was given 'specific instructions') by Burke to bring back the specimens in Aliens; Burke didn't program him to do it.

« Last Edit: May 20, 2019, 03:22:38 AM by SM »

Immortan Jonesy
May 20, 2019, 03:31:58 AM
Reply #43 on: May 20, 2019, 03:31:58 AM
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Aren't all androids in the franchise (especially in the movies) a slave to their programming?

Usually that is the impression I get on them.

So,  David's simulation of human consciousness is supposed to be more complex ???


SM
May 20, 2019, 03:36:04 AM
Reply #44 on: May 20, 2019, 03:36:04 AM
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It would appear so since as soon as he's activated he realises he's a 'higher' form of life than his creator and that he has to keep that on the down low.


 

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