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Author Topic: Will Aliens, Alien 3 and A:R get 4K upscalings?  (Read 5883 times)

Evanus
Mar 12, 2019, 02:19:17 PM
Reply #15 on: Mar 12, 2019, 02:19:17 PM
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Georgie probably made sure Disney will never release the original versions of the OT when they made the deal.  :D




The Old One
Mar 12, 2019, 02:34:56 PM
Reply #17 on: Mar 12, 2019, 02:34:56 PM
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Indeed. Perhaps a Official Disney equilibrium version's achievable though.

Despecialised Edition 4K

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Corporal Hicks
Mar 12, 2019, 03:13:10 PM
Reply #18 on: Mar 12, 2019, 03:13:10 PM
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If they ever do an upscaling of Aliens, I'd like them to sort out the matte lines in that too. Was just going through some Blu-ray screencaps of the dropship and the matte lines in that are way too obvious.


The Old One
Mar 12, 2019, 03:15:04 PM
Reply #19 on: Mar 12, 2019, 03:15:04 PM
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Aliens and Alien³ prithee.


0321recon
Mar 12, 2019, 08:51:49 PM
Reply #20 on: Mar 12, 2019, 08:51:49 PM
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Give me Alien3 with the Assembly Cut (though with the dogburster) and I'll be there on day one.


The1PerfectOrganism
Mar 12, 2019, 08:55:52 PM
Reply #21 on: Mar 12, 2019, 08:55:52 PM
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& The Special Effects mo-motion repaired.



The Old One
Mar 13, 2019, 10:46:36 AM
Reply #23 on: Mar 13, 2019, 10:46:36 AM
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Honestly? If the original negative (before special effects) is unavailable.

Frame by frame repair perhaps is the only solution.


Corporal Hicks
Mar 13, 2019, 10:49:50 AM
Reply #24 on: Mar 13, 2019, 10:49:50 AM
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In which case I'd think we're unlikely to see that.


The Old One
Mar 13, 2019, 10:57:24 AM
Reply #25 on: Mar 13, 2019, 10:57:24 AM
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It's a effortless solution but it's monotonous.


SiL
Mar 13, 2019, 11:08:35 AM
Reply #26 on: Mar 13, 2019, 11:08:35 AM
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It's a effortless solution
I keep re-reading this hoping I've read it wrong but

Effortless?

Repairing a shitty composite where all of the problems are baked into a final image is by no stretch of the imagination "effortless". There would be a great deal of effort involved. It would arguably be more time consuming -- not to mention expensive -- than getting digital scans of the original plates to redo it from scratch.


The Old One
Mar 13, 2019, 11:18:14 AM
Reply #27 on: Mar 13, 2019, 11:18:14 AM
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Fair enough.

I thought comparatively the Special Effects a professional Studio, e.g. WETA regularly experiences therefrom; 'effortless' apologies.

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SiL
Mar 13, 2019, 11:32:50 AM
Reply #28 on: Mar 13, 2019, 11:32:50 AM
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A studio like WETA would usually be building something from the ground up - modelling, rigging, animating, compositing, etc.

Considering what can be done with consumer-level tools today like After Effects, the compositing needs of Alien3 are actually fairly simply (no handheld shots, nice clean plates, etc.). We have better, faster digital tools at our disposal than the photochemical or rudimentary digital processes available back in 1992. There are people on this forum -- myself included -- who could do a better job of the compositing work with a subscription to Adobe Creative Cloud than what people saw in the cinemas. This isn't to brag, just to highlight how far tech's come in the last 27 years (that being said -- if the elements were shot with too much spill from the screen, you'd absolutely need a professional studio to fix it up in anything resembling good time.)

But if we're going to turn it into cleaning up existing shitty mattes, that turns into a whoooole other set of problems. Primarily you're introducing a lot of hands-on, frame-by-frame work you can get around when you're making the composites from scratch. You've got to remove colour casts and matte lines that are baked into the image. That will involve rotoscoping, secondary colour corrections, background replacements, and a whole slew of other fiddly things (especially in the shots where the Alien's shadow has been animated to react to flares being thrown past it -- shit!).

Possible, absolutely -- and, hell, if you had the money to throw at people, you could still get dedicated amateurs or semi-pros to do frame-by-frame touch-up and get pretty damn good results -- but it's a loooooot of effort.



The Old One
Mar 13, 2019, 11:35:34 AM
Reply #29 on: Mar 13, 2019, 11:35:34 AM
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"One thing I do know, that though I was blind, now I see."


 

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