Do you think that Covenant deserve/will eventually repeat fate of Alien 3?

[SM]

Its barely even an action film by todays standards.

Isnt the first actual alien shown almost an hour into the film? Then it builds incredible tension until it crescendos with the queen .

I always felt it was a perfect formula of tension, terror, and action.

It about an hour, but we've been ratcheting up the tension for the preceding 25 minutes with acid holes and facehuggers.  And considering from the hugger attack in medical up to the Queen fight, it's almost a non-stop 40 minute action sequence, I think it easily stands with modern action films - just on a different scale.

[426Buddy]

It just seems different I guess.

I feel like a lot of todays action films seem to start out with action set pcs and pepper them through out.

[Kradan]

I was being sarcastic. 

Oh, i'm glad to hear it!  You know, i cannot unterstand when people are sarcastic unless they use smileys.

[SM]

Yeah, I sometimes forget some people don't have English as a first language. 

It just seems different I guess.

I feel like a lot of todays action films seem to start out with action set pcs and pepper them through out.

It's definitely different.  It's not Thor appearing in the middle of a gigantic battle and using lightning to kill monsters or cars jumping between buildings, but I think it still easily compares favourably to any modern action film in terms of entertainment value.

[Local Trouble]

Yeah, I sometimes forget some people don't have English as a first language. 

[Corporal Hicks]

I don't actually feel like Alien: Covenant is hated as much as it seems like Alien 3 was back in the day. Sure, it has reasonably divisive aspects to it but from what I remember of the polls it actually sat far more in the positive side of things. The dislike is always going to sound louder but that's often just an illusion.

Personally, I like Alien 3 more but I think Covenant is the better made film.

[Alien³]

I think X about Y, and it cannot be disputed because of Z.

[Kradan]

I think X about Y, and it cannot be disputed because of Z.

Sorry, but could you explain what you want to say?

[Jarac]

Covenant feels far less "hated" than Alien 3 was. With Covenant, I feel most thought "meh". Alien 3 was hated the minute Newt, Hicks and Bishop died. That's in the first five minutes!

[Kradan]

Covenant feels far less "hated" than Alien 3 was. With Covenant, I feel most thought "meh". Alien 3 was hated the minute Newt, Hicks and Bishop died. That's in the first five minutes!

Well, i was not born yet in 1992 so i can't realy tell much about people reaction to third movie when it came out. But i know that it was hated and that Covenant makes (at least) some viewers very outraged

[TC]

It's a different experience watching a film (or a play, or reading a book, or any kind of story really), after the first time.

You're watching it for different reasons - you don't need to concentrate on plot because you already know it. Generating tension in the audience is an exercise in mood and atmosphere, not suspense and surprise. Needless to say, jump scares are ineffectual. Characterisations are viewed differently, because you can take into consideration things people do that are yet to occur. Even judging things like pacing is difficult, because your audience is already anticipating what's about to happen, and when.

I remember reading some commentary about the so-called director's cut of Blade Runner (the one sans Deckard's voiceover). It was pointed out that everyone that viewed it did so while recollecting the voice-over that they could remember was originally there. So to say that the director's cut was the better version is a very simplistic interpretation of the experience. A similar thing could also be said of the various Alien3 versions.

TC

[P-Rock]

I remember reading some commentary about the so-called director's cut of Blade Runner (the one sans Deckard's voiceover). It was pointed out that everyone that viewed it did so while recollecting the voice-over that they could remember was originally there. So to say that the director's cut was the better version is a very simplistic interpretation of the experience. A similar thing could also be said of the various Alien3 versions.

TC

The Director's cut didn't only omit the voice-over, but changed a lot of other things too, like the ending. I think it's safe to say the Director's Cut is the better version here. At least until 2007 when we got the real Director's (Final) Cut.

[The Old One]

The Final Cut is the only Cut that matters, but R.S didn't George Lucas you, the other Cuts;

US Theatrical (Voiceover & "Happy" Ending), International Theatrical,
The Director's Cut and the Workprint version are all available on Blu-Ray.

However, only the Final Cut is available on 4K. It's pretty much the consensus, including the Director that this is the best version in terms of content. But it is also objectively the best version available in terms of sound and picture quality.