Anyone else hate the idea of Predator dogs?

Started by AMITY_PREDATOR, Oct 19, 2018, 01:27:31 AM

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Anyone else hate the idea of Predator dogs? (Read 3,231 times)

TheSailingRabbit

Quote from: Huggs on Oct 20, 2018, 11:36:14 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Oct 20, 2018, 11:30:20 PM
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Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Oct 20, 2018, 11:10:12 PM
Well, that got dark.

As in I got dark chocolate Milky Ways.

Put it and the rocks in a Linus's binky, and drop it by the trash can near the merry go round. If I see anyone, or I think the Chocolate has melted, I can't vouch for Chuck's safety.

PS. I may be doing this against my will. She has my football. Help Me!

Should I call backup? I can drag Hudson away from the TV.

Screw Hudson, call the Navy!

Got it. Would you like the Air Force, too?

Huggs

Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Oct 20, 2018, 11:42:07 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 20, 2018, 11:36:14 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Oct 20, 2018, 11:30:20 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 20, 2018, 11:15:15 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Oct 20, 2018, 11:10:12 PM
Well, that got dark.

As in I got dark chocolate Milky Ways.

Put it and the rocks in a Linus's binky, and drop it by the trash can near the merry go round. If I see anyone, or I think the Chocolate has melted, I can't vouch for Chuck's safety.

PS. I may be doing this against my will. She has my football. Help Me!

Should I call backup? I can drag Hudson away from the TV.

Screw Hudson, call the Navy!

Got it. Would you like the Air Force, too?

I need help, not a military parade.  :D

TheSailingRabbit

Quote from: Huggs on Oct 20, 2018, 11:44:56 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Oct 20, 2018, 11:42:07 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 20, 2018, 11:36:14 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Oct 20, 2018, 11:30:20 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 20, 2018, 11:15:15 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Oct 20, 2018, 11:10:12 PM
Well, that got dark.

As in I got dark chocolate Milky Ways.

Put it and the rocks in a Linus's binky, and drop it by the trash can near the merry go round. If I see anyone, or I think the Chocolate has melted, I can't vouch for Chuck's safety.

PS. I may be doing this against my will. She has my football. Help Me!

Should I call backup? I can drag Hudson away from the TV.

Screw Hudson, call the Navy!

Got it. Would you like the Air Force, too?

I need help, not a military parade.  :D

Every formation is a parade, though.

Huggs

We've got the package.

....You'll be hearing from us.


Stay tuned for scenes from next weeks episode of:

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TheSailingRabbit

Quote from: Huggs on Oct 21, 2018, 12:02:21 AM
We've got the package.

....You'll be hearing from us.


Stay tuned for scenes from next weeks episode of:

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I'm on the edge of my seat.

Huggs

Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Oct 21, 2018, 12:14:10 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 21, 2018, 12:02:21 AM
We've got the package.

....You'll be hearing from us.


Stay tuned for scenes from next weeks episode of:

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I'm on the edge of my seat.

Be careful, I hear you can get hemorrhoids doing that.

AMITY_PREDATOR

Quote from: whiterabbit on Oct 20, 2018, 10:32:07 PM
Dude, if we round up from .01% then we can safely say nothing has ever been fossilized. It's a rare event that only happens under specific circumstances. Also consider just how big the Earth is and that they're really not that many people digging for fossils and most land is private.  I mean this is the same argument people make to explain aliens don't exist. They claim we've been listening for decades and havn't heard anything, thus aliens do not exist. They too have no understanding of just how big the universe really is and the science behind it all.



I'm  going to say this much: there are enough  fossils from the  the so-called  Cambrian explosion, that most evolutionists use the same language  "they just appear in the record" . And most agree that there are NO transitional links.  More than 200 million fossils have been uncovered as well as billions of microfossils [single celled fossils], and yet the links that should  prove the theory are... Missing.

The archaeopteryx is supposed to be a link between  a reptile and the bird,  and yet, most of its features are found in birds today.  Yet,  no fossils leading to it.  No fossils of reptiles with wing-like appendages.  Nothing showing how the reptilian scale became the complex feather.

For a century scientists tried to bring about evolution through controlled mutations which was the basis of natural selection. The animals, mostly fruit flies, that were used, were far weaker than the wild varieties. Evolution is supposed to make stronger, not weaker. No matter how many ways they mutated,  they remained flies. In time, the flies that were allowed to keep breeding, began hatching normal fruit flies again because the DNA is programmed to keep a species where they are. Never will you get a different animal from any species. And you never have.  The organic soup theory,  the idea that life came from space, does not stand. How the DNA code miraculously coded itself does not stand. Basically anything that requires a  language requires intelligence... Apparently the life code does not.

I'll go one further,  these various evolutionists begrudgingly point to the fact that the fossil record compliments the Genesis account. Their words,  not mine.  Mind you, all this business about evolution stemmed from Darwin's observation of adaptation. Not animals becoming something else, just animals adapting to their environment.

Now, when I said that I did not believe in evolution, that was not a challenge to anyone. But I see I'm being challenged. and I will fight for what I believe in if I'm challenged. So either drop the subject, or we can continue to  derail the topic.  I'm good either way.

TheSailingRabbit

Quote from: Huggs on Oct 21, 2018, 12:17:53 AM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Oct 21, 2018, 12:14:10 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 21, 2018, 12:02:21 AM
We've got the package.

....You'll be hearing from us.


Stay tuned for scenes from next weeks episode of:

It's A Hostage Situation Charlie Brown

I'm on the edge of my seat.

Be careful, I hear you can get hemorrhoids doing that.

I shall stand up and attempt to do something productive, then. Like . . . not kill anymore threads, and . . . actually write something.

Immortan Jonesy

Immortan Jonesy

#53
Quote from: AMITY_PREDATOR on Oct 21, 2018, 12:22:33 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Oct 20, 2018, 10:32:07 PM
Dude, if we round up from .01% then we can safely say nothing has ever been fossilized. It's a rare event that only happens under specific circumstances. Also consider just how big the Earth is and that they're really not that many people digging for fossils and most land is private.  I mean this is the same argument people make to explain aliens don't exist. They claim we've been listening for decades and havn't heard anything, thus aliens do not exist. They too have no understanding of just how big the universe really is and the science behind it all.



I'm  going to say this much: there are enough  fossils from the  the so-called  Cambrian explosion, that most evolutionists use the same language  "they just appear in the record" . And most agree that there are NO transitional links.  More than 200 million fossils have been uncovered as well as billions of microfossils [single celled fossils], and yet the links that should  prove the theory are... Missing.

The archaeopteryx is supposed to be a link between  a reptile and the bird,  and yet, most of its features are found in birds today.  Yet,  no fossils leading to it.  No fossils of reptiles with wing-like appendages.  Nothing showing how the reptilian scale became the complex feather.

For a century scientists tried to bring about evolution through controlled mutations which was the basis of natural selection. The animals, mostly fruit flies, that were used, were far weaker than the wild varieties. Evolution is supposed to make stronger, not weaker. No matter how many ways they mutated,  they remained flies. In time, the flies that were allowed to keep breeding, began hatching normal fruit flies again because the DNA is programmed to keep a species where they are. Never will you get a different animal from any species. And you never have.  The organic soup theory,  the idea that life came from space, does not stand. How the DNA code miraculously coded itself does not stand. Basically anything that requires a  language requires intelligence... Apparently the life code does not.

I'll go one further,  these various evolutionists begrudgingly point to the fact that the fossil record compliments the Genesis account. Their words,  not mine.  Mind you, all this business about evolution stemmed from Darwin's observation of adaptation. Not animals becoming something else, just animals adapting to their environment.

Now, when I said that I did not believe in evolution, that was not a challenge to anyone. But I see I'm being challenged. and I will fight for what I believe in if I'm challenged. So either drop the subject, or we can continue to  derail the topic.  I'm good either way.

I know you're not going to change your mind, and that's fine. But just to clarify; missing link is a pseudoscientific concept, which probably has its roots in medieval christianity:   


The scientific concept is transitional fossil, as evolution is not a linear process, and there were many intermediate forms between early primates and modern humans (and the same with the other species).


But equally important, Evolution is a scientific theory and not just a mainstream theory. I.e, it is more than your daily hypothesis/conjecture, since it is based on real evidence (like fossils). More specifically, a scientific theory is how researchers interpret such evidence.

Of course, science can't explain it everything (and I'm fine with that, cos a universe without mystery it would have been f**king boring  :P), but at least science is an honest tool of knowledge and it doesn't fill the gaps with fairy tales and magic. And I respect that.  :)

AMITY_PREDATOR

AMITY_PREDATOR

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Evolution theory teaches that the universe came into existence on its own,  having fine tuned the forces necessary to bring about existence as we know  it,  set the planets in their orbits,  gave us a moon that not only stabilizes our planet's orbit,  but also just so happened to provide us with a lesser light source when the sun sets.

Life emerged on  its own through multiple repeated,  exceedingly impossible accidents,   the odds of it happening even once is so great   Harold Morowitz, a Yale University physicist,  calculated that the chances of getting the simplest living bacterium by random changes is 1 in 1 followed by 100,000,000,000 zeros.

That's  2 miracles by my count,  not counting the multiple times a living cell randomly Came into existence .one might say it takes a great  deal of faith to believe in evolution . And to be honest,  sounds quite a bit  like magic.

In 2008, Professor of Biology Alexandre Meinesz highlighted the dilemma. He stated that over the last 50 years, "no empirical evidence supports the hypotheses of the spontaneous appearance of life on Earth from nothing but a molecular soup, and no significant advance in scientific knowledge leads in this direction.


Donald E. Chittick, a physical chemist who earned a doctorate degree at Oregon State University, comments: "A direct look at the fossil record would lead one to conclude that animals reproduced after their kind as Genesis states. They did not change from one kind into another. The evidence now, as in Darwin's day, is in agreement with the Genesis record of direct creation. Animals and plants continue to reproduce after their kind. In fact, the conflict between paleontology (study of fossils) and Darwinism is so strong that some scientists are beginning to believe that the in-between forms will never be found."


Aerospace engineer Luther D. Sutherland wrote in his book Darwin's Enigma: "The scientific evidence shows that whenever any basically different type of life first appeared on Earth, all the way from single-celled protozoa to man, it was complete and its organs and structures were complete and fully functional. The inescapable deduction to be drawn from this fact is that there was some sort of pre-existing intelligence before life first appeared on Earth."


Two British scientists confirm that the genetic code is not simply the product of random chance. "Their analysis has shown [the genetic code] to be among the best of more than a billion billion possible codes," notes New Scientist magazine. Of the roughly 1020 (1 followed by 20 zeros) possible genetic codes, only one was selected early in the history of life. Why this specific one? Because it minimizes errors made during the protein-making process or errors caused by genetic mutations. In other words, the specific code guarantees that laws of heredity are strictly followed. Although some ascribe the selection of this genetic code to "strong selective pressures," the two researchers have concluded that "it is extremely unlikely that such an efficient code arose by chance."


Michael Behe raises serious doubts about whether evolution can explain the existence of the cell. He speaks of molecular machines that "haul cargo from one place in the cell to another along 'highways' made of other molecules . . . Cells swim using machines, copy themselves with machinery, ingest food with machinery. In short, highly sophisticated molecular machines control every cellular process. Thus the details of life are finely calibrated, and the machinery of life enormously complex."   Behe argues that the cell can function only as a complete entity. Thus, it cannot be viable while being formed by slow, gradual changes induced by evolution. He uses the example of a mousetrap. This simple apparatus can function only when all its components are assembled. Each component on its own—platform, spring, holding bar, trap hammer, catch—is not a mousetrap and cannot function as such. All the parts are needed simultaneously and have to be assembled for there to be a working trap. Likewise, a cell can function as such only when all its components are assembled. He uses this illustration to explain what he terms "irreducible complexity."

Behe argues that the cell can function only as a complete entity. Thus, it cannot be viable while being formed by slow, gradual changes induced by evolution. He uses the example of a mousetrap. This simple apparatus can function only when all its components are assembled. Each component on its own—platform, spring, holding bar, trap hammer, catch—is not a mousetrap and cannot function as such. All the parts are needed simultaneously and have to be assembled for there to be a working trap. Likewise, a cell can function as such only when all its components are assembled. He uses this illustration to explain what he terms "irreducible complexity."*

Biochemical investigation has shown that blood clotting involves many factors, none of which can be missing for the process to succeed. Behe asks: "Once clotting has begun, what stops it from continuing until all the blood . . . has solidified?" He explains that "the formation, limitation, strengthening, and removal of a blood clot" make up an integrated biological system. If any part fails, then the system fails.

Russell Doolittle, evolutionist and professor of biochemistry at the University of California, asks: "How in the world did this complex and delicately balanced process evolve? . . . The paradox was, if each protein depended on activation by another, how could the system ever have arisen? Of what use would any part of the scheme be without the whole ensemble?" Using evolutionary arguments, Doolittle tries to explain the origin of the process. However, Professor Behe points out that there would be an "enormous amount of luck needed to get the right gene pieces in the right places." He shows that Doolittle's explanation and casual language conceal tremendous difficulties.

Thus, one of the major objections to the evolutionary model is the insurmountable hurdle of irreducible complexity. Behe states: "I emphasize that natural selection, the engine of Darwinian evolution, only works if there is something to select—something that is useful right now, not in the future."


Professor Behe states that some scientists have studied "mathematical models for evolution or new mathematical methods for comparing and interpreting sequence data." However, he concludes: "The mathematics assumes that real-world evolution is a gradual, random process; it does not (and cannot) demonstrate it." (Last phrase italics ours.) He earlier said: "If you search the scientific literature on evolution, and if you focus your search on the question of how molecular machines—the basis of life—developed, you find an eerie and complete silence. The complexity of life's foundation has paralyzed science's attempt to account for it; molecular machines raise an as-yet-impenetrable barrier to Darwinism's universal reach."





French science writer Philippe Chambon wrote: "Darwin himself wondered how nature selected emerging forms before they were perfectly functional. The list of evolutionary mysteries is endless. And today's biologists have to humbly admit, with Prof. Jean Génermont of the University of South Paris in Orsay, that 'the synthetic theory of evolution cannot readily explain the origin of complex organs.'"

"Any science of the past . . . that excludes the possibility of design or creation a priori ceases to be a search for the truth, and becomes the servant (or slave) of a problematical philosophical doctrine, namely, naturalism."—Origins Research.



"The influence of evolutionary theory on fields far removed from biology is one of the most spectacular examples in history of how a highly speculative idea for which there is no really hard scientific evidence can come to fashion the thinking of a whole society and dominate the outlook of an age."—Evolution: A Theory in Crisis

"Molecular evolution is not based on scientific authority. . . . There are assertions that such evolution occurred, but absolutely none are supported by pertinent experiments or calculations. Since no one knows molecular evolution by direct experience, and since there is no authority on which to base claims of knowledge, it can truly be said that . . . the assertion of Darwinian molecular evolution is merely bluster."—Darwin's Black Box




Inside the cell, there is "a world of supreme technology and bewildering complexity."—Evolution: A Theory in Crisis. .  And I attribute a supreme mind for being behind  that supreme technology.

Gyula Gyenis, a researcher at the Dept. of Biological Anthropology, Eotvos Lorand University, Hungary wrote in 2002: "The classification and the evolutionary place of hominid  fossils has been under constant debate."   

Anthropologist Anthony Ostric weighed in on the matter of fossil evidence stating, "at best it is only a hypothesis and not a well-supported one at that....there is no evidence that man has not remained essentially the same since the first evidence of his appearance."


Phillip E. Johnson, a University of California law professor, notes that the evidence for evolution is lacking but that its supporters still often ridicule those who question it. The article comments: "Evolution theory is having serious trouble with the evidence—but its proponents don't want an honest debate that might undermine their world view."


No,  my mind can't be changed. On the other hand,  it appears that some evolutionists' minds have changed .  And let me be clear  on a couple of things: I'm no creationist.  They believe  the earth was created in six literal 24-hour days.  The word for "day" used in the creation account  "YOHM" can mean Looong periods of time. Billions of years long.   at Genesis 2:7 we find that God went on to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living person [soul]. It's worth noting that the Bible too says that life emerged from non-living matter, however, the catalyst to convert that matter into life was not chance or random, non-intelligent forces, but a highly intelligent Creator. It should also be noted that  "The World Book Encyclopedia" cites: All the chemical elements that make up living things are also present in non-living matter." The Bible certainly isn't at odds with science here. 



You talk about fairy tales and magic.  I'm  talking  about someone of vast intelligence creating  everything.  You're  talking about  millions  of improbable accidents taking place; unintelligent forces shaping who and what  we are as a species.  Which one sounds more like magic and fairy tales?  Judge for yourself.   

SiL

Definitely the giant space dude making everything that sounds more like fantasy.

Xenomrph

I'm blown away that we're having an evolution debate in TYOOL 2018, but here we are.

AMITY_PREDATOR

AMITY_PREDATOR

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Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 21, 2018, 06:07:50 AM
I'm blown away that we're having an evolution debate in TYOOL 2018, but here we are.

Scientist and engineer Murphy O'Dean observes: "Rather than discard a theory that does not stand up to fact, the direction of 'evolutionary science' has become a statement of faith that 'evolution must be true.'" Conflicting evidence and the lack of evidence are either ignored or explained away.

Why? Michael Behe, molecular biologist, says in Darwin's Black Box: "Many people, including many important and well-respected scientists, just don't want there to be anything beyond nature. They don't want a supernatural being to affect nature."


Yeah.  We're having this debate because  in spite a vocal majority shouting  "evolution is fact!  Evolution is fact! " it's anything but,  and there's a growing number of scientists who don't buy it. They can't prove that life began on its own,  but they assert that it did. There are no fossils showing the branching or even multiple branchings off of common ancestors. And they Continue to assert that.    Yes all living things share DNA.  from this side,  it's not because we have the same ancestor,  but because we have the same maker. The DNA code has a mechanism of intelligence.  Ignore that if you wish. Seriously,  I'm at the point where I'm comfortable with a "wait and see" attitude.


1st quotation is very true  and observed from the last few hours of comments..

2nd quotation obviously applies,  but the guy above you. SIL? Really fits. ::)


SiL

I'm agnostic, but you've spent two pages using a lot of words to say nothing of any real substance, so forgive me if I'm not a convert.

whiterabbit

I need a stiff drink.

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