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Author Topic: Introducing The Predator’s Emissary Predators!  (Read 14663 times)

Corporal Hicks
Dec 08, 2018, 07:57:32 PM
Reply #135 on: Dec 08, 2018, 07:57:32 PM
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Fred Dekker has posted an explanation of why the Emissary Predators were cut in the comments on his FB page.

Copy and paste of what he said -

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It was a mutual decision. We grew concerned that we were already making a movie that veered away from fan expectations, and when we showed it to some small, select audiences, our concerns were validated... so we removed the Emissaries AND the hybrids in favor of a traditional "hunt" finale, which -- in my opinion -- squandered the notion that the Predators have a larger, unseen civilization and other concerns besides sports hunting -- like, for instance, saving their civilization from extinction. It was decided that this, plus the humor in the film, was too much for the Predator fan base to swallow... and sadly, the box office and critical reception proved we were right. We should have made a cheaper, more predictable movie, and not tried to do something new.

But what do I know? I was just the co-writer.


SiL
Dec 08, 2018, 08:05:04 PM
Reply #136 on: Dec 08, 2018, 08:05:04 PM
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Doing something new was fine.

Doing what they specifically did, less so...


Voodoo Magic
Dec 08, 2018, 08:31:11 PM
Reply #137 on: Dec 08, 2018, 08:31:11 PM
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Copy and paste of what he said -

It was a mutual decision. We grew concerned that we were already making a movie that veered away from fan expectations, and when we showed it to some small, select audiences, our concerns were validated... so we removed the Emissaries AND the hybrids in favor of a traditional "hunt" finale, which -- in my opinion -- squandered the notion that the Predators have a larger, unseen civilization and other concerns besides sports hunting -- like, for instance, saving their civilization from extinction. It was decided that this, plus the humor in the film, was too much for the Predator fan base to swallow... and sadly, the box office and critical reception proved we were right. We should have made a cheaper, more predictable movie, and not tried to do something new.

But what do I know? I was just the co-writer.

So the problem was not the quality in scripting, casting, direction and execution, it was that they tried something new and the fans (and critics?) wanted predictable.

Doing something new was fine.

Doing what they specifically did, less so...

Indeed.


SiL
Dec 08, 2018, 10:21:15 PM
Reply #138 on: Dec 08, 2018, 10:21:15 PM
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Speaking of comics, I think they can get away with "stylizing" Predator designs in ways that live action can't. Like there are a lot of Predator comics that heavily change up how Predator faces look ('Predator: Homeworld' comes to mind) and I can dig it on a "creative interpretation" level even if it's not my cup of tea, but translating some of those designs to live-action would be a disaster. :P I think a bunch of these concept drawings illustrate that pretty well.
Gillis mentioned in the podcast that having to design around putting a human head under the mask really changes how the head can look. A lot of fan art and comic stuff couldn't be done as suits that required an actor's eyes to be used in the mask, for example. Really interesting stuff.


The Cruentus
Dec 09, 2018, 11:31:24 AM
Reply #139 on: Dec 09, 2018, 11:31:24 AM
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The hybrids were not removed though, Fugitive and Ultimate are hybrids.



skull-splitter
Dec 09, 2018, 11:56:48 AM
Reply #141 on: Dec 09, 2018, 11:56:48 AM
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Copy and paste of what he said -

It was a mutual decision. We grew concerned that we were already making a movie that veered away from fan expectations, and when we showed it to some small, select audiences, our concerns were validated... so we removed the Emissaries AND the hybrids in favor of a traditional "hunt" finale, which -- in my opinion -- squandered the notion that the Predators have a larger, unseen civilization and other concerns besides sports hunting -- like, for instance, saving their civilization from extinction. It was decided that this, plus the humor in the film, was too much for the Predator fan base to swallow... and sadly, the box office and critical reception proved we were right. We should have made a cheaper, more predictable movie, and not tried to do something new.

But what do I know? I was just the co-writer.

So the problem was not the quality in scripting, casting, direction and execution, it was that they tried something new and the fans (and critics?) wanted predictable.

Doing something new was fine.

Doing what they specifically did, less so...

Indeed.
It's the fine line (not that subtle though) between adding to a franchise and just kicking it in the nuts by doing the complete opposite of what fans love.

In a way, The Last Jedi toyed with people's expectations too, but it managed to keep it all in character (if you're willing to accept it not living up to your personal fanboy dreams) rather than just make it about something completely different.

The Predator is a nice film, just a very poorly thought through sequel. Whoever pushed this through Fox should ask themselves if they get what the franchise is about.



Voodoo Magic
Dec 09, 2018, 12:56:49 PM
Reply #143 on: Dec 09, 2018, 12:56:49 PM
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Yeah, the Pred Monkeys and the like, unleashed from the Ark.


BigDaddyJohn
Dec 09, 2018, 02:08:07 PM
Reply #144 on: Dec 09, 2018, 02:08:07 PM
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I think most would agree from the get go that the script didn't made much sense overall. What happened next is a mix between Shane wanting some of his vision to be present in the movie and studio interferences.

« Last Edit: Dec 09, 2018, 02:26:49 PM by BigDaddyJohn »

The Kurgan
Dec 09, 2018, 02:20:53 PM
Reply #145 on: Dec 09, 2018, 02:20:53 PM
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Yeah, it seemed like a lost cause from the start. The version we got or the original, it would have made little difference overall.


Voodoo Magic
Dec 09, 2018, 02:39:47 PM
Reply #146 on: Dec 09, 2018, 02:39:47 PM
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Yeah, it seemed like a lost cause from the start. The version we got or the original, it would have made little difference overall.

I think it would be much, much worse if the studio didn't intervene. It really looks like Fox backtracked this movie from being maybe a franchise killer to a not great, but still watchable (imo) Predator movie.


The Kurgan
Dec 09, 2018, 02:41:50 PM
Reply #147 on: Dec 09, 2018, 02:41:50 PM
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At least we were spared the predmonkeys and the other abominations.


Voodoo Magic
Dec 09, 2018, 02:45:35 PM
Reply #148 on: Dec 09, 2018, 02:45:35 PM
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Indeed. Spared from pred-monkeys, pred-spiders, Yautja puffing on a cigarettes.. too bad they left in the cutsey-wutsey pred-dog that befriends the loonies..  awwww so cute!  :P


BigDaddyJohn
Dec 09, 2018, 03:24:41 PM
Reply #149 on: Dec 09, 2018, 03:24:41 PM
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Well to me it's a fake predator movie, pretty much a Shane Black movie, and a fun movie overall.


 

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