David as a fictional portrayal of Giger?

[Scorpio]

This goes back to "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep"

Dreams aren't dreams.

How do you explain dreams?

[Huggs]

This goes back to "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep"

Dreams aren't dreams.

How do you explain dreams?

They are merely the product of unresolved emotion.

[Scorpio]

Is that according to psychology or psychiatry?  The foundation of all science is Quantum Physics.  So you can now use those search terms "quantum physics" "dreams" to actually look up alternative explanations to dreams rather than from orthodox Psychology/Psychiatry.  Psychology/psychiatry are just System mind control programs.  To have a doctor specialising in just the mind is ludicrous, because the mind, body and spirit are all connected, which is why the methods of 'mind doctors' tend to cause more harm than they are trying to prevent.

[SM]

And what about eating too much cheese before bedtime?

[The Old One]

And what about eating too much cheese before bedtime?

Explains why Walter doesn't dream.

[Delta Echo Alpha Delta]

Considering that David dosen't even sleep... how the hell does he dream? Or is he speaking more figuratively about it, as in he has a dream?

Right. Maybe there is some other cognitive state in which androids slip in to while their OS does "clean up"... muthur9000 probably has oodles of AI in the Yutani Blog archives.

There's a quote from Lawrence of Arabia's 7 Pillars of Wisdom "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible."

David doesn't sleep, he doesn't dream in the sense that humans do, his dreams are dreamt with open eyes, he sees his purpose without having to lean on the crutch of dreams to make his goals a reality. That's the way I see it.

I also quoted this finding in my blog post about where I think Origae 6 is https://yutani.blog/2018/01/04/david-and-lawrences-journey/

[SM]

Whereabouts in Orion and Auriga?

[Immortan Jonesy]

Shaw asked *who made them?*, short answer: Giger. He is God in the Alien universe because everything is an oniric narrative. We are seeing his dreams and nightmares.





Giger is dreaming of Arnold Böcklin's Isle of the Dead. The coffin of the painting is represented in the film as the Covenant's colonists in stasis inside the pods. Also, many people interpret the oarsman as a representation of the boatman Charon (Hades' ferryman from Greek mythology). But who is this character in the context of the Alien universe? David traveling to Origae-6? maybe.



However, and more specifically, his job is to ferry souls of the dead across the river Acheron.



In other words, this is Charon sailing towards the Isle of the Dead in Giger's nightmares.



And the lost souls are the Covenant crew turned into thousands of eggs.

Considering that David dosen't even sleep... how the hell does he dream? Or is he speaking more figuratively about it, as in he has a dream?

Right. Maybe there is some other cognitive state in which androids slip in to while their OS does "clean up"... muthur9000 probably has oodles of AI in the Yutani Blog archives.

There's a quote from Lawrence of Arabia's 7 Pillars of Wisdom "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible."

David doesn't sleep, he doesn't dream in the sense that humans do, his dreams are dreamt with open eyes, he sees his purpose without having to lean on the crutch of dreams to make his goals a reality. That's the way I see it.

I also quoted this finding in my blog post about where I think Origae 6 is https://yutani.blog/2018/01/04/david-and-lawrences-journey/

That was interesting.

[Delta Echo Alpha Delta]

Whereabouts in Orion and Auriga?

Delta Aurigae(the upper case version of δ is the triangle, like the one left on the panel in the original alien script) and in Orion, well I haven't pinpointed that yet. Most of my theories don't come from a scientific basis but a philosophical and theological one. All the green stone myths just use Orion as a reference when they talk about the origin of creation, knowledge and fire. Here's an interesting link for such myths as they are documented http://www.constellation-guide.com/constellation-list/orion-constellation/

Shaw asked *who made them?*, short answer: Giger. He is God in the Alien universe because everything is an oniric narrative. We are seeing his dreams and nightmares.





Giger is dreaming of Arnold Böcklin's Isle of the Dead. The coffin of the painting is represented in the film as the Covenant's colonists in stasis inside the pods. Also, many people interpret the oarsman as a representation of the boatman Charon (Hades' ferryman from Greek mythology). But who is this character in the context of the Alien universe? David traveling to Origae-6? maybe.



However, and more specifically, his job is to ferry souls of the dead across the river Acheron.



In other words, this is Charon sailing towards the Isle of the Dead in Giger's nightmares.



And the lost souls are the Covenant crew turned into thousands of eggs.

Considering that David dosen't even sleep... how the hell does he dream? Or is he speaking more figuratively about it, as in he has a dream?

Right. Maybe there is some other cognitive state in which androids slip in to while their OS does "clean up"... muthur9000 probably has oodles of AI in the Yutani Blog archives.

There's a quote from Lawrence of Arabia's 7 Pillars of Wisdom "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible."

David doesn't sleep, he doesn't dream in the sense that humans do, his dreams are dreamt with open eyes, he sees his purpose without having to lean on the crutch of dreams to make his goals a reality. That's the way I see it.

I also quoted this finding in my blog post about where I think Origae 6 is https://yutani.blog/2018/01/04/david-and-lawrences-journey/

That was interesting.

You might find the rest of my analysis of Alien Covenant interesting too https://yutani.blog/a-l-i-e-n/alien-covenant-analysis/

[FenGiddel]

Delta Aurigae(the upper case version of δ is the triangle, like the one left on the panel in the original alien script) and in Orion, well I haven't pinpointed that yet. Most of my theories don't come from a scientific basis but a philosophical and theological one. All the green stone myths just use Orion as a reference when they talk about the origin of creation, knowledge and fire. Here's an interesting link for such myths as they are documented http://www.constellation-guide.com/constellation-list/orion-constellation/

You might find the rest of my analysis of Alien Covenant interesting too https://yutani.blog/a-l-i-e-n/alien-covenant-analysis/

muthur9000, this is great stuff. Have you ever considered collaborating on these kinds of things with wmmvrrvrrmm. His theorizing at Alien Explorations swims deeply in the philosophical and theological...  I, for one, would love to see a collaborative article from the two of you. 

[Delta Echo Alpha Delta]

Delta Aurigae(the upper case version of δ is the triangle, like the one left on the panel in the original alien script) and in Orion, well I haven't pinpointed that yet. Most of my theories don't come from a scientific basis but a philosophical and theological one. All the green stone myths just use Orion as a reference when they talk about the origin of creation, knowledge and fire. Here's an interesting link for such myths as they are documented http://www.constellation-guide.com/constellation-list/orion-constellation/

You might find the rest of my analysis of Alien Covenant interesting too https://yutani.blog/a-l-i-e-n/alien-covenant-analysis/

muthur9000, this is great stuff. Have you ever considered collaborating on these kinds of things with wmmvrrvrrmm. His theorizing at Alien Explorations swims deeply in the philosophical and theological...  I, for one, would love to see a collaborative article from the two of you. 

I don't know, I see some similar connections with stuff they have posted and some I don't. I wouldn't mind comparing notes or even linking their research. But I don't know if we see links in the same terms.

[SM]

Delta Aurigae(the upper case version of δ is the triangle, like the one left on the panel in the original alien script) and in Orion, well I haven't pinpointed that yet. Most of my theories don't come from a scientific basis but a philosophical and theological one. All the green stone myths just use Orion as a reference when they talk about the origin of creation, knowledge and fire. Here's an interesting link for such myths as they are documented http://www.constellation-guide.com/constellation-list/orion-constellation/

Cheers.  I'll have a read.

[D. Compton Ambrose]

I know that both Scott and Giger had an affinity for Jung, such as the collective unconscious and its Archetypes. I could totally see David's line about dreams being a nod in that direction.

[bb-15]

I know that both Scott and Giger had an affinity for Jung, such as the collective unconscious and its Archetypes. I could totally see David's line about dreams being a nod in that direction.

O'Bannon also had an awareness of archetypes though at a very gut level.

"This is a movie about alien interspecies rape," O'Bannon said in the documentary Alien Evolution. "That's scary because it hits all of our buttons."[8] O'Bannon felt that the symbolism of "homosexual oral rape" was an effective means of discomforting male viewers.[9]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(creature_in_Alien_franchise)#Concept_and_creation

As an archetype rape is usually associated with ancient stories where a woman is the victim of a man's aggression such as with the legend of Philomela.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philomela

O'Bannon and the Alien franchise turned that around with the female dominated Xenomorphs in theatrical cuts "raping" more men than women. 

* Giger's art often shows human bodies and machines in an intertwined relationship of sexuality and death.
This relates to the Nature vs Mechanistic World archetype.
http://www.gcschools.net/gms/Sandel/dates/SYMBOLS%20AND%20ARCHETYPES.htm

* Putting O'Bannon's homosexual rape together with Giger's unknown, nightmarish creature alters the "battle between good and evil" archetype combining it with the unstoppable monster theme (part of many slasher films) in a science fiction setting.
https://mgutman.webs.com/narrativeanalysis.htm

* Ridley Scott, had a fascination with how the Xenomorph at a large scale was like several parasitic insects.
- But beyond that nightmare, Ridley was fascinated with the Space Jockey; what was it?
Scott in the DVD commentary track for "Alien" imagined the Space Jockeys to be god like space aliens who traveled the galaxy in warships and who also kept Xenomorphs on board as weapons.
http://aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Mala'kak

* When Jon Spaihts was hired to write the script for "Prometheus", for the backstory he focused on the Space Jockeys/Engineers.
They were now godlike creators who had been on earth in the ancient past altering human evolution.
https://dreamhawk.com/dream-encyclopedia/the-god-archetype/

- Ridley was very pleased with this direction since it opened up the Alien franchise to new ideas such as the godlike space aliens from "2001".
- Next Scott was faced with the issue of how to portray a godlike character in the sequel of "Prometheus".

* David's character became an inheritor of the Engineer culture. David carried on Engineer research into lethal creatures using the powerful black goo.
- As part of that David imagined himself as a godlike being tying into the god archetype.