Why did the movies fail?

[The Cruentus]

Yes the elite veteran with a substantial amount of markings on his mask, visible old physical damage who has been through, survived more and is older than any Predator we've actually seen in action on film was COMPLTELY useless clearly and it wasn't just because of writing flaws....

I just don't get how as a fan you can't garner even a little enjoyment out of any moment with him.

All those markings and past, as well as his status as a cleaner are just background information that Wolf fails to live up to on screen and he is no where near the oldest Predator on screen, Greyback is probably just as old if not older and the Elder from the first AVP is definitely older than he is if those wrinkles are any indication.

I have said this repeatedly but one can be defined by the quality of their enemies. If Wolf's enemies are retarded aliens who forget their claws and a tail, and act extremely incompetent, how does that make Wolf a badass? Would you be badass if you beat up a child or a parapalegic? No you wouldn't be. Wolf was up against crap that sometimes didn't even fight back and so he proves nothing.
I get you like him and we are not saying you shouldn't and admittedly he is one of the more entertaining parts of that crapfest but objectively, he is one of the most incompetent predators about and there is nothing badass about him.

[SiL]

Yes the elite veteran with a substantial amount of markings on his mask, visible old physical damage who has been through, survived more and is older than any Predator we've actually seen in action on film was COMPLTELY useless clearly and it wasn't just because of writing flaws....

Considering what we see in the film, his character could just as easily be a Special Needs Predator who was playing in his parents' chair and decided to answer the distress call before anyone noticed he was missing. It would be entirely in keeping with how we see him act. Acid damage could just as easily be a sign of his incompetence. Scarred helmet? Isn't necessarily his. Considering how he acts through the film, it's amazing he gets out of the lake without drowning.

I just don't get how as a fan you can't garner even a little enjoyment out of any moment with him.

Because he's f**king useless. It's that simple. He doesn't do shit the entire movie but pose and look cool in some shots. He survives only because he has found the one enemy in the galaxy more f**king useless than he is.

I'm not saying don't like it. If you enjoy it, great! I'm not going to try to stop you.

But he is f**king useless and it's a demonstrable fact going by what we see in the film.

[Huggs]

Eh, a job's a job. And it's not his fault the aliens were acting the way they were. How could he have known they would be less than challenging? Still, I have to give him sac points for walking into that sewer and that hospital hive. There were supposed to be actual xenomorphs in there, afterall. And a predalien. Say what you will about wolf, but guts wasn't his problem.

I prefer to look at his inability to properly contain the xenomorph infestation this way:

It's a xenomorph infestation, it doesn't take long to be overrun. Especially with a predalien on the loose making babies faster than God knows what. If nothing else, it solidifies the point that they can't really be contained, even by the best warriors. All he could've done was detonate his wrist gauntlet. And he may have done that, if it hadn't been for the predalien.

But I freely admit, it had reached the point where he should have, even before he made it to the hospital. I can only guess he was trying to avoid nuking the place and bringing attention back to his species. If the military hadn't stepped in, there's no telling how bad things could've gotten. Wolf was just outnumbered. I can't blame him for not being able to cork that bottle. He may have been tracking down the one responsible for the procreation, but it was too late. He raised some hell though.

[Bloodee Jacob]

Yes the elite veteran with a substantial amount of markings on his mask, visible old physical damage who has been through, survived more and is older than any Predator we've actually seen in action on film was COMPLTELY useless clearly and it wasn't just because of writing flaws....

I just don't get how as a fan you can't garner even a little enjoyment out of any moment with him.

All those markings and past, as well as his status as a cleaner are just background information that Wolf fails to live up to on screen and he is no where near the oldest Predator on screen, Greyback is probably just as old if not older and the Elder from the first AVP is definitely older than he is if those wrinkles are any indication.

I said IN ACTION meaning fighting, etc.

And again I attribute the issues with the xenos to admittedly mediocre writing. They really wanted an experienced strong Predator showing they overlooked a lot on both ends. Also calm down a bit, don't gotta throw a tantrum and curse. We're not arguing here or I'm not.

Also c'mon the masks were all meant to be his same with the weapons and why he was shown to be overlooking an area.

And Huggs thank you for giving a more reasonable neutral perspective.

[JungleHunter87]

Considering how he acts through the film, it's amazing he gets out of the lake without drowning.

Now I can't get the image out of my head of a different AVPR. Where Wolf drowns in the lake and the rest of the movie goes on pretty much the same.

[Bloodee Jacob]

Except the human characters would probably never "get to da choppa!" in this case due to unoccupied Predalien and all that lol

[The Cruentus]

Yes the elite veteran with a substantial amount of markings on his mask, visible old physical damage who has been through, survived more and is older than any Predator we've actually seen in action on film was COMPLTELY useless clearly and it wasn't just because of writing flaws....

I just don't get how as a fan you can't garner even a little enjoyment out of any moment with him.

All those markings and past, as well as his status as a cleaner are just background information that Wolf fails to live up to on screen and he is no where near the oldest Predator on screen, Greyback is probably just as old if not older and the Elder from the first AVP is definitely older than he is if those wrinkles are any indication.

I said IN ACTION meaning fighting, etc.

And again I attribute the issues with the xenos to admittedly mediocre writing. They really wanted an experienced strong Predator showing they overlooked a lot on both ends. Also calm down a bit, don't gotta throw a tantrum and curse. We're not arguing here or I'm not.

Excuse me? I don't recall getting angry or throwing a tantrum or cursing, so its best not to accuse others of such ok? If you like him, that is fine, no one is debating with you about that, it is simply his so called badass feats or lack thereof that we are talking about.

[Bloodee Jacob]

Yes the elite veteran with a substantial amount of markings on his mask, visible old physical damage who has been through, survived more and is older than any Predator we've actually seen in action on film was COMPLTELY useless clearly and it wasn't just because of writing flaws....

I just don't get how as a fan you can't garner even a little enjoyment out of any moment with him.

All those markings and past, as well as his status as a cleaner are just background information that Wolf fails to live up to on screen and he is no where near the oldest Predator on screen, Greyback is probably just as old if not older and the Elder from the first AVP is definitely older than he is if those wrinkles are any indication.

I said IN ACTION meaning fighting, etc.

And again I attribute the issues with the xenos to admittedly mediocre writing. They really wanted an experienced strong Predator showing they overlooked a lot on both ends. Also calm down a bit, don't gotta throw a tantrum and curse. We're not arguing here or I'm not.

Excuse me? I don't recall getting angry or throwing a tantrum or cursing, so its best not to accuse others of such ok? If you like him, that is fine, no one is debating with you about that, it is simply his so called badass feats or lack thereof that we are talking about.

My bad I'm on a break on my phone was referring to SiL getting a bit carried away. Meant to space that out more but there go my phone typing skills lol

[SM]

Wolf was just outnumbered. I can't blame him for not being able to cork that bottle. He may have been tracking down the one responsible for the procreation, but it was too late. He raised some hell though.

He did track down the one responsible for the procreation.  Then riled it up so it went on a rampage.

[Bloodee Jacob]

Wolf was just outnumbered. I can't blame him for not being able to cork that bottle. He may have been tracking down the one responsible for the procreation, but it was too late. He raised some hell though.

He did track down the one responsible for the procreation.  Then riled it up so it went on a rampage.

Yes because it totally wouldn't have anyway...

[The Cruentus]

Your sarcasm aside, it might not have. Aliens such as queens are intelligent (or at least supposed to be, can't really say much for Requiem ones) and what queens normally do is find a safe spot to establish a hive and they stay there.

Wolf basically messed with a hornet's nest and released them all and forced them to move into the public. If Wolf was truly badass and competent, he could have ended it in the sewers since at that point he would have only been up against nine Aliens, including the Predalien. He could have just plasma castered them one at a time instead of trying to engage them all. Or as SM said, Wolf could have just used the laser grid to contain them, depending on how long it lasts and if he contained them all, Wolf could just sit back watch them kill themselves trying to get at him.

[SM]

Why didn't he have a laser grid covering the exit anyway?

[The Cruentus]

Or the grates and manhole entrances. He may not have had enough of them but if that was case, then more strategic placing should have been done. That being said, the bugs didn't escape until he blew a hole in the sewer.

[Jigsaw85]

Yes the elite veteran with a substantial amount of markings on his mask, visible old physical damage who has been through, survived more and is older than any Predator we've actually seen in action on film was COMPLTELY useless clearly and it wasn't just because of writing flaws....

I just don't get how as a fan you can't garner even a little enjoyment out of any moment with him.

All those markings and past, as well as his status as a cleaner are just background information that Wolf fails to live up to on screen and he is no where near the oldest Predator on screen, Greyback is probably just as old if not older and the Elder from the first AVP is definitely older than he is if those wrinkles are any indication.

I said IN ACTION meaning fighting, etc.

And again I attribute the issues with the xenos to admittedly mediocre writing. They really wanted an experienced strong Predator showing they overlooked a lot on both ends. Also calm down a bit, don't gotta throw a tantrum and curse. We're not arguing here or I'm not.

Also c'mon the masks were all meant to be his same with the weapons and why he was shown to be overlooking an area.

And Huggs thank you for giving a more reasonable neutral perspective.

How can you get any enjoyment from watching Wolf kill Aliens when it's painfully obvious the writers nerfed them so Wolf would last the whole movie? Why would predators even hunt aliens if They're this pathetic? The predalien had at least three opportunities to kill wolf and all three times he just smacks him with his tail instead of just killing him. Wolf isn't a badass veteran hunter; he's a mary-sue. And yet despite all the protection the writers gave him, he still fails at his mission. The government drops a bomb on the town and kills all the aliens. The movie didn't even need him. That's why he sucks: he's just in the movie to show how "superior" he is to aliens(even though there isn't a single REAL alien in the movie) just so predator fanboys can drool over him And drone on and on about what a great elite predator he is. Even though the movie itself never calls him an elite or show him display any skill.

[SiL]

If the film doesn't show him being a badass, then he's not a badass. It's really that simple. It's entirely irrelevant what he was "meant" to be, the film itself never once shows him doing anything approaching competency at his job.