Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 20, 2018, 12:24:06 PM
Kane had no warning of an alien threat?
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This would scare the poo out of anyone in person. Was also pretty good indication that sticking your face into a big nest of space eggs is a bad idea.
No, he had no idea of an active alien threat because he had no idea of what caused that death in the first place and how long its been since it died, even Dallas thought it was fossilized. To them, if there ever was a threat, it would be long dead. Also to someone like Kane, the Jockey would not be good indication that sticking your face in eggs = bad because there isn't really any clue on the connection. Was he still dumb for doing so? Absolutely, even without a threat, it would not be smart to stick your head near an unknown lifeform.
Oram on the other hand, knew of a threat because of what has been happening in the hours they were there, and then he was shown the horrors of David's worshop, including the egg and what is inside, Also David's monologue about parasites and spawning hybrid forms. I am willing to believe he couldn't possibly know exactly what was going to happen but he had enough warnings to keep away from those eggs and not listen to David.
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I don't really regard either of these as character moments (failures). It has more to do with thematics in my eyes. It's for the audience watching. It's a classic movie moment, cynics will say trope, that gets peolle all the time. The character peering into the egg will always work because the outcome is so horrifying. It plays on so many basic human elements with one obviously being our evolutionary inquisitive tendencies. I don't think either are stupid just human.
But it doesn't, Oram looking into the egg isn't scary or horrifying, it is just stupid and even more so because he had every reason not to trust David. Say what you want about Kane for his actions but at least he didn't have foreknowledge of an alien threat.
The reason those "tropes" worked before was because it was still early for them back then, and they were the norm for slasher horror movies, they don't really have a place in a movie that supposedly more "deeper" than a slasher. That said, not all tropes are bad and they can be used effectively but it hasn't.
As for evolutionary inquisitive tendencies, I think most should stick with evolutionary common sense because better safe than sorry almost always wins out.
Your talking about execution there, which is a whole other question.
Peering into the egg is timeless in my eyes.
Pram was set up to look in that egg from the beginning, he was a proven risk taker. Same as Kane was set up as being over enthusiastic
That's fair enough but it would have to be a good set up to it because I can't see anyone with common sense do it, hell even if I didn't see neomorphs bursting from my crew, and ripping heads off or listening to a clearly unstable mad scientist robot admit he created the dangerous creatures and talk about his successes, I still would not touch nor stick my head near something alive and unknown, that is basic common sense and I listen to it, so Oram shouldn't have done what he did.
